Wikiversity:Help desk/Archive 15

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Why are these templates creating white spaces?[edit]

Oral and maxillofacial surgery
School of Medicine
School of Dentistry

Any page they are used on, the layout is messed up a bit. Any ideas how to prevent this? Regards, Lesion (discusscontribs) 14:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I would recommend using a {{Sidebar}} for this. But I suspect the difference is in whether the table is right-aligned or whether it is float right-aligned. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Changing to Floatright seems to have done the trick. Many thanks, Lesion (discusscontribs) 16:46, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Wait, no it didn't work... Lesion (discusscontribs) 16:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I think I found the problem: the noinclude see also links were somehow transcluding white space. When I removed the see also lines, the layout was corrected (see example here->). Lesion (discusscontribs) 16:51, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
It's not the noinclude, but the end of the line just above it. noinclude has to directly follow on the same line or you do get a blank line on your content. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:25, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Thanks, Lesion (discusscontribs) 21:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Another Q[edit]

When linking to a wikiversity page from wikipedia, the template {{wikiversity|WIKIVERSITYPAGE}} can be used. However, what if the page title in wikiversity is long, e.g. Oral and maxillofacial surgery/Local anesthesia/Topical anesthetics? This creates a stupid-looking template on wp imo. See e.g.: [1]. Thoughts? Lesion (discusscontribs) 13:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

You can add a redirect page here. For example, add a Topical anesthetics page here with a #REDIRECT to the appropriate subpage. You should check first that there are no other appropriate Topical anesthetics pages or here. If there are, create a disambiguation / menu page instead of a redirect page. See Mouse (computing) as an example of a redirect page. See Java as a disambiguation example. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:49, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
OK then I made a redirect since currently no other search results with "topical anesthetic" on wikiversity. Many thanks, Lesion (discusscontribs) 16:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


How i manage a business

Check out our School:Business for management resources. Please use the four ~ or click on the signature pen to end your messages. Thanks! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Two basic questions about Wikiversity[edit]


  1. What's the difference between creating learning resources here, versus Wikibooks? i.e. what kind of work should be contributed here in contrast to there?
  2. Can I create a course-specific resource? i.e. can I create a page (and sub-pages) such as "X University/Calculus 101"?

Thanks, Mintz l (discusscontribs) 01:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Welcome Mintz!
  1. One of the key differences between Wikiversity and other wikis is that Wikiversity is focused on the learning experience rather than content alone. For example, if you want to write a book, Wikibooks would be good for that. If you want to have your students write the book, that could go either here or on Wikibooks. If you want to design a series of lessons that include activities students complete as part of their learning, that's Wikiversity. Using one of my own courses as an example, take a look at Windows Server Administration. Another example would be Web Science. There are many other good examples with different styles here, but it should be relatively easy to see the difference between a course/learning project and a book.
  2. While it would be possible to create a calculus resource specific to University X, I would first ask, what's different about University X calculus that wouldn't apply to anyone wanting to learn calculus? Would it be possible to either adopt and/or adapt existing calculus learning project(s), and then create any necessary subpages that would be specific to University X under that project instead? In other words, think globally by helping everyone learn calculus, and then add any specific subpages that you might want for your students, recognizing that those pages may be helpful for everyone else as well. For example, I could easily see a Calculus/University X/2015 Spring Syllabus or similar pages as being helpful to everyone but would be left unedited by others because they are specific to your program.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:25, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Dave - To follow up on this question, how would I go about configuring a class of about 20 students so that they could all contribute to Wikiverstiy? It would obviously be on either 1 or 20 subpages of a resource, but I can't find an example of that on Wikiversity. For example Web_Science/Enroll#students has only one student. (P.S. Hello Mintz, I put a message on your user page.--guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 13:36, 9 December 2014 (UTC))
See Collaborative Learning/Examples for the examples I'm most familiar with. They each approach collaborative learning in a different way, but all are effective in terms of meeting learning outcomes and content produced. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Ha! That is a great example. Bloomclock, for example, turned out nicely in spite of its dubious beginning. --guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 14:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
On an unrelated subject, I advised Mintz1 to change his/her username if he/she is not the same as the one on Wikipedia. If you know of a place to post such advice on the intro (i.e., beginner's gateway) to Wikiversity I will be glad to insert it.--guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 14:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
See Wikiversity:Changing username. Usernames are global now, so there shouldn't be any issues for new users. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect spelling[edit]

See the page below

Is there an easy way to correct modelling to modeling (one 'l')?

This page has a lot of sub pages.


Tim, Timboliu (discusscontribs) 06:48, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Technically, either modeling or modelling is appropriate. Modeling is the North American spelling, while modelling is European. I have a bot I can use to rename the pages quite easily if you wish. Fixing the links for the renamed pages is a bit more work. I was working on a bot function that would update links, but I don't think I ever tested it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:53, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikiversity image in Wikipedia page[edit]

What is the proper technique for inserting a Wikiversity image like, e.g., 40px in some Wikipedia page? Thanks. Shustov (discusscontribs) 10:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

The proper technique would be to upload the Wikiversity image to Commons, and then access the image as you would any other image at Wikipedia. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

You are right. I did upload my images to Commons but people there started deleting them, often under pretty funny reasons like "he (which means me - V.S.) cannot be an author because he is a professor" (?!). To save those images, I recently re-uploaded some of them to Wikiversity (see and they work alright here, in Wikiversity pages. Actually, I can do the same in all those Wikipedia projects where my images have been inserted but it is rather tedious task. Therefore, I decided to ask smart professionals like you to suggest something good to avoid the difficulties. Thank you in advance! Shustov (discusscontribs) 20:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikiversity images can only be used on Wikiversity. Commons images must have a free license, which can be a complicated issue. Commons images may be used on any WMF wiki. If there is an image where the license is not free, but if it qualifies for fair use on Wikipedia, it may be uploaded to Wikipedia and used there. Commons does not host "fair use" images. But often a Commons image escapes the notice of the Commons users who check for license problems, even for years.
To be hosted here, non-free images must have a fair use rationale. Images that don't, or where proper license information has not been supplied, may be deleted here. Wikiversity users and administrators will assist you if there is a question. We don't block users simply for making mistakes, unless the mistake is made over and over. And over. --Abd (discusscontribs) 18:28, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I am just looking for your assistance (please, see my response above). Shustov (discusscontribs) 20:55, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

We are not professionals, generally. Commons can be arcane. No, there is no way to show Wikiversity images on Wikipedia. As to Commons, communicate with users there. If you don't understand, ask. Looking at Commons, I see some things I will mention on your user talk page here. Definite no-nos. --Abd (discusscontribs) 00:03, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

nesting pages[edit]

First, I apologize if I'm posting this question in the wrong place! My navigational skills have been a little hit and miss lately. My class is building a campus-based health portal in Wikiversity, and I'm trying to make sure that I'm setting this up correctly. If we have a main portal page ( and my students create links to their subpages off of this main page, do they just set them up as Lactose Intolerance ? Is there a better way to nest subpages to a portal? Thanks! Sisipherr (discusscontribs) 16:45, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

The best approach is to use 'relative references'. For example, [[/Lactose Intolerance/]]. This means 'a subpage of the current page', and works even if the parent page is renamed (which I don't expect to happen, but it's just a better approach). It is much easier for students if the portal subpage links are set up this way first. Then they click on the link to create their page. That way they don't accidentally create content elsewhere that needs to be moved. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Rabindranath Tagore[edit]

Who is Rabindranath Tagore? Iamregistered12345 (discusscontribs) 14:43, 13 May 2015 (UTC)Iamresistered12345

Wikipedia:Rabindranath Tagore. If you are interested in studying his work or discussing any aspect of it or the Wikipedia article, there is a resource here that could be developed, Rabindranath Tagore. Feel free to discuss or study the topic there. Thanks for asking, Iam. As a result, I edited the page. --Abd (discusscontribs) 15:14, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Change name of page[edit]

Change name of page - please help me to change the name of "Protocolo de Investigación" to Research protocol - thanks --Proto1curso (discusscontribs) 14:20, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

YesY Done BTW you will have the ability to move pages when you are autoconfirmed. Thanks ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 14:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of image[edit]

File:229819-romance-made-easy.jpg should be deleted. The use is hardly "fair use". I am not sure how to nominate media files for deletion here on Wikiversity. — Fnielsen (discusscontribs) 10:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

If the identified source was the original source, it could be argued that this is fair use, as it is from a literary source being used to discuss literature, specifically romance novels, which is the subject of the source. The problem is that isn't the original source. That source purchased a stock photo, likely taken from This impacts fair use, as the image is for sale in this format. The image has been deleted. For future reference, you may add {{Delete}} to the file itself, or post at Wikiversity:Requests for deletion. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:37, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Unacceptable content linking to an outdated Wikipedia page on parapsychology[edit]

<The original text of this request is available at [2] and has been removed.>

TreeTrailer (discusscontribs) 06:16, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your concerns. However, personal attacks are not welcome at Wikiversity. All comments and concerns should focus on content rather than editors. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


I have been stumped in trying to build up an Informal Learning Activity site because I want to code some templates to make it easier to add content and I can't find where there is information about coding and placing templates. I've spent a lot of time going to pages that tell me about various templates already available but they've got me nowhere I wanted to go. Help, please! Wnholmes (discusscontribs) 11:47, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Information on templates is available at mw:Help:Templates. But in many cases, there are either existing or better alternatives available. What, specifically, are you trying to accomplish? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:22, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for that link; I don't how I didn't find it. The work I'm planning to do is highly repetitive. For example, I get actin (protein) by coding &nbsp;&nbsp;[[w:Actin|actin]]&nbsp;(protein) but I would prefer the simpler {{NTb|A|a|ctin|protein}} and this would also make it simpler for other people to add items. And I presume that I can put the template into the Name Trees file space. Thanks again for your help.  Wnholmes (discusscontribs) 23:24, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Have you seen {{Wl}}? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:02, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
I looked at it just now but it doesn't help much. I tried what I thought might work and put a template up on and tried to use it as but it wouldn't even try it. It seems to imply that I have to put the template somewhere else. True? If so, where? I would appreciate your help very much if you can put up with my floundering. Wnholmes (discusscontribs) 03:08, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Preceding with Template: is only helpful when you want a template that will be shared by multiple learning projects. In this case, keeping the template with the learning project makes more sense, but must use a regular page name. Calling that page as a template is then either a full path to the page or a relative path. Since you are trying to call STa from a subpage at the same level, the syntax is {{../STa|parameters...}}. Note that excessive HTML typically isn't necessary except for very advanced templates. An * at the start of a line automatically generates a bullet and removes the need for <br>. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:26, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks muchly for the help. It seems to be working fine for me now.  Wnholmes (discusscontribs) 12:07, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Article creation wizard discussion[edit]

Hi all,

This proposal suggests WMF to fund the writing of an article creation wizard at Wikipedia, but with enough interest it may -- or may it not? -- be expanded to write an article creation wizards framework or library for use at non-Wikipedia wikis, such as here. If desired, please join the discussion before December 12. (I've sent this message to English wikis; I ask you to deliver it to non-English wikis, if you can. Even delivering it in English there may be better than nothing.)

  • What tools do we use here, now, to make article creation easier for newbies?
  • What requirements do we have for a potential implementation?
  • How would you like to inform the people of the article creation perks and difficulties on this wiki?
  • What else needs to be considered?

Thanks. --Gryllida 03:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Gryllida: - If this is implemented across different projects, it will need to assume that different templates would be implemented for different projects. Encyclopedia articles follow a similar approach. Wikibooks may or may not have a standard format. Wikiversity has multiple page / lesson formats, none of which has a strong backing one way or the other. Some people prefer linking to existing content for a lesson, others prefer writing their own content. However, having something that would make it clear what new pages are likely to be accepted and what new pages are likely to not be accepted / belong on a different project or don't belong at all would be helpful. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 04:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Where do I go to start debates/discussion?[edit]

Is this the place for it? (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uncle dan is home (talkcontribs) 7 December 2016‎)

What do you mean by this? To start a debate, look through Wikidebate. But a normal discussion, you will need to look in the page you want to start the discussion and click "Add Topic" ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 23:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Marine La Pen and EU[edit]

If she won next years election in France, would France quit the EU? (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uncle dan is home (talkcontribs) 7 December 2016‎)

This is not the appropriate venue for this type of discussion. If you need assistance with Wikiversity, please let us know. To participate in Wikidebates, see Wikidebate or contact User:Felipe Schenone. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Parsing errors in Inversion (discrete mathematics)[edit]


Since yesterday I get parsing errors for formulas in this article. E.g. <math>\pi</math> becomes: Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "/mathoid/local/v1/":): \pi
When I make an empty edit the problem is solved in that browser session. Strangely it appears again when I visit the page in a different browser or in a private tab. (The rendered SVG is this, and it can be accessed from every browser.) Can anyone tell me what is wrong here?
The problem does (at least for me) not appear on other pages with the same code, like my sandbox or this template. Or this page. Test:
Greetings, Watchduck (quack) 15:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't see any errors on the page. On the page menu there is a Purge option. You might try that and see if it helps. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
The purge option does not change anything. I now have the errors in different places, e.g. <math>ia_i</math> gives: Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "/mathoid/local/v1/":): {\displaystyle ia_i}
But <math>ja_j</math> right next to it is rendered. The errors appear in the same places in Firefox and Chrome, and also in the private mode of both browsers. Unlike before, making an empty edit does not help anymore. --Watchduck (quack) 17:25, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
The page is still fine for me in Chrome. There is an open Phabricator issue on this. You might add yourself to phab:T136812 and add a comment with this example. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:32, 18 December 2016 (UTC)