User talk:Dave Braunschweig

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Open Badges Management and Wikiversity[edit]

Dave, you created courses that (i guess) taught to students in face2face or blended learning environment at Harper College. Would it be possible to issue Open Badges for those courses, and let international students enrole to that course. We could accept that course at a german universities as additional computer sciences qualitfications that are helpful e.g. in environmental science Master Courses. If your want we can perform the assessment at our University and do support locally in Germany. I ask you because one big benefit of your expertise is the master in online studies beside your qualification in Computer Science. So this prototype will link online courses available in Wikiversity to external certification with an international Open Badge Management. We can design that in a way there will be no additional student support at your end but we would issues the certificates according to your course standards at Harper.

If I get an OK from you, I would contact my university for the establishment of this international prototype between academic institutions (etc, MoU,...), that refer to

  • Wikiversity as online learning resource for courses and
  • Open Badge Management for Certification and digital validation of obtained badges.

According to academic and educational structures and with reference to the remarks on "what is Wikiversity NOT" Wikiversity cannot and will never provide academic certificates. For this pilot we could use e.g. BadgR so we need not to setup and maintain additional infrastructure at the universities. Results of the prototype can be used as learning resource in Wikiversity, so that other academic institutions can learn, improve and build on that prototype and could join a Open Badge Alliance. What do you think? Shall we try that and document this approach step by step transparently on Wikiversity itself?

--Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 09:49, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Is this proposal specific to my courses only, or is this open to other Wikiversity courses? If it is open to others, it should be a discussion for the community (Colloquium) rather than here.
Would recommend a two-step approach
  • step 1: start with a prototype for your courses between us,
  • step 2: provide the lessons-learned on the adminitrative, educational, ... side as a structured list of topics for the community (Colloquium) and let the community decide how to proceed! (e.g. Wikiversity course as teachers training in which teachers learn to combine Wikiversity course with academic assessment and digital certifications) --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 11:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Enrollment in a course at my college has a variety of weekly assessments beyond the Wikiversity content (participation, assignments, quizzes) that confirm student learning.
Weekly assessments, assignments, online student support and other blended learning scenarios had to be covered by my University, because it is not fair to export workload from one insitution to an other. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 11:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Almost all of my courses target certification. It is our goal that students become certified in order to document their expertise. It is the certification that my college accepts as proof of proficiency, sometimes along with an interview and/or hands-on skills exam, for students who don't enroll in a course.
this is similar to our university, we will keep the traditional certification process and add Open Badges to it. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 11:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Other institutions, yours included, are welcome to use Wikiversity resources however they wish. If they believe the quality is there and can effectively assess students based on the institution's credentialing requirements, they can certainly use Wikiversity courses for learning.
Yes, you are right, but the learning resource in Wikiversity is only one part of the educational and institutional process. Certification is another.
The result of the proposal could lead to teachers training learning resources in Wikiversity, how to combine Wikiversity content and certification at the institution. As mentioned above sometime courses must be tailored to local requirements and constraints other resources can be used in both educational systems. This affects in turn the design of learning moduls, general elements specialties of the country and institution in which Wikiversity course material is used. This leads to the fact the Wikiversity content and certification at different institution is not an independent. The way in which you decompose learning resources is a good way to re-use and remix learning resources. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 11:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Documenting the process for others here at Wikiversity would be good. Whether an institution would be able to take advantage of the process will depend on their local credentialing. In the US, higher education is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission. So far, we're seeing support for OER, but not yet badge credentials. Badge credentials are considered a non-standard pathway. Each student would need to have their credentials evaluated individually by a given degree-granting institution, and then the student would need to meet residency requirements at that institution (typically either 30 or 60 credit hours) to earn a degree.
I think, Open Badges will NOT replace certificates accredited by the Higher Learning Commission. The meta data in Open Badges could add value to standard issue of certificates. (Semi-)Automated processing of applications to jobs (selection support) is in an globalized international market an additional value. Open Standards that can be applied especially in developing countries. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 11:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Community colleges, such as mine, may be a bit more lenient. Students at our institution need 18 hours (six courses) from Harper. The other 42 hours can be transfer and proficiency credit. This is for an associate's degree (60 hours) rather than a bachelor's degree (typically 120 semester hours).
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:50, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


Ultimately, I don't understand what you are asking for. All of the content is already shared as CC-BY-SA. You and your institution are free to do whatever you want with the courses, as long as you include attribution and share any derivative works the same way. There's nothing I can either approve or reject. You already have all the permission you need.

I would like to see the content reused as much as possible. The approach has proven effective at my institution across a range of instructors and courses. Please proceed with your ideas based on the permission you already have through CC-BY-SA. Thanks!

Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:39, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

My question is: Can we establish an OpenBadge for your course (e.g. of project management), show how it is reused at an other institution, what collaboration and negotiations are needed to serve the needs of both institutions without duplication of courses with minor changes all over again. Decomposition in submodules is definitely a key reduce that.
But bringing OER and Wikiversity into an institutional educational settings and transfer it from one application scenario to another, is much more than having content an be happy, that I have the license to do so. I might be wrong and it is really that simple. I use the course, duplicate submodules or exchange parts without touching your course. I though this reduces the collaboration and interaction of the community. So I guess, I have to rethink the concept of collaborative development of resources, that allow tailored subpart for the institutions and generic shared element is not an issue for Wikiversity Community it again leads to the concept of forking and merging.
From your comments before I derive that these ideas are not on the wishlist of the community. In an prototype between us, I thought I could identify, what is really needed and intergrated that in author support without having forking and merging available in the Version Control in Wikiversity.
It seems to me now, that I am slightly on the wrong track somehow. Thank you for your response, it was helpful for me. I think I have to work on that a bit more, to understand what is really helpful before I share the ideas in a Colloquium.
--Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 21:27, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, you can establish an OpenBadge for any given course and reuse the content. I don't know what collaboration and negotiations are needed, because there haven't been any changes proposed, just badging. Decomposition is nothing more than transcluding pages with {{:title/subpage}} syntax, so you can easily reuse lessons. The content for my courses targets industry certification, so enhancements that target the certification would be welcome, and other changes less so.
You describe collaborative development, but these courses are already developed. So what I hear you describing is collaborative redevelopment. That's not badging existing courses. That's rewriting them. I'm not opposed, but you'll need to dig through and tell me what you want to change and why, and then negotiate who is doing the redevelopment work.
A discussion with me is not a discussion with the community. At this point, neither of us has any idea what the community wants. I just know that I put in about 150 hours per course on development, I'm happy to share what I have, and not particularly excited to redevelop it based on non-accredited badging alone. I encourage students to pursue certification as their badge.
It is entirely possible that you can identify what is really needed and integrate that, but that wasn't your proposal. Your proposal was badging. Please do reconsider what you want to accomplish and then let me know if I can assist. Thanks!
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:49, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I can only half-follow this lengthy conversation, but Dave is right about Wikiversity never issuing badges or academic credit. This is because we follow the wikimedia practice of encouraging anonymity through usernames. Think of Wikiversity as a repository of teaching materials. Dave is also correct about the need to bring in the community if major changes to an ongoing project is envisioned. If you want to modify and reuse a project, that can be easily arranged in a number of ways, and Dave would be a better mentor on whether you develop something in your userspace or create a parallel project to an existing one. I also teach at the college level and am using Miraheze, where students can create parallel private wikis that only I and the individual student can see. I like to do this in a large class whenever they are "competing" to accomplish the same task. To create private wikis, see If you have any questions, leave a message on my talk page.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 15:33, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


Thank you both, Dave and Guy, for your explanation.

  • Collaborative development is already in place by the Wiki approach in general (++)
  • put additional workload on wiki authors in the Wikiversity context for an collaborative work for which Wikiversity was not designed for, does not make any sense, (++)
  • A learning resource for
    • learners,
    • teachers and
    • administrators of educuational institutions
about the application of Open Badges for Wikiversity resources will provide a solution for discussion mentioned above.
Started that at Open Badges
Excuse me for being slow in application of the existing infrastructure properly to that.

--Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 08:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Increasing the amount of users from a particular IP address[edit]

Hi David, I am trying to introduce students to Wikiversity and have them create user accounts. We are getting the following error message: "Visitors to this wiki using your IP address have created 6 accounts in the last day, which is the maximum allowed in this time period. As a result, visitors using this IP address cannot create any more accounts at the moment. If you are at an event where contributing to Wikimedia projects is the focus, please see Requesting temporary lift of IP cap to help resolve this issue."

I tried researching how to request a temporary lift of the IP cap but I am at a loss. Can you help?

--Ireicher2 (discusscontribs) 20:42, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ireicher2: See mw:Help:Mass account creation. Unfortunately, we don't have the noratelimit right isolated in a way that I can grant it to you without community approval, which will take longer than you need. However, I can create the accounts for you. Please use Special:EmailUser/Dave_Braunschweig to email me your request. Include the desired username and associated email address for each account. The system will assign random passwords and send each to the given email address so your students can access their accounts. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:34, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
@Ireicher2, Dave Braunschweig: can be used if you want students writing on a wiki on the first day of class, or if you only want students to write wikitext for only a brief period of time. It is a node to 100 wiki-accounts open to both the instructor and a single autoconfirmed student account. I keep a list of user names (beginning wsul followed by a 3 digit number) and different passwords for each wiki. You have to be careful about making the passwords too public since students are automatically autoconfirmed on the meta wiki (that they need to stay of of). Unfortunately the wikis don't have visual editor, although that can be added if anybody is willing to take the trouble. The first 100 accounts (wsul001-wsul100) were created by me, but next semester, I can make another set for Ireicher2. Or, if Ireicher2 only needs a dozen or so student wikis, I can email the passwords to Ireicher2. One nice thing about the student wikis is that they have their own separate hosting system for images, oog, pdf, and other files.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 12:53, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
@Guy vandegrift, Dave Braunschweig: Thanks so much. A node with 100 open wiki accounts would be very helpful on the first day of the assignment. Since the students often have difficulties with integrating media, a separate hosting server would make the process much easier for them. Also, thanks for offering to create accounts for us. Much appreciated. -- Ireicher2 (discusscontribs) 04:43, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Atlantis Location Hypothesis[edit]

Dave, I would like to use the following


...and, research originally presented to...

2. 4th International Workshop on Collapse Calderas September 23-29, 2012, Vulsini Calderas, Italy MEETING

as a source, unfortunately, I can no longer find the second one on the Internet but I have a copy of it, how might I proceed?

Thank you

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 00:19, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@RAYLEIGH22: The ifremer resource is copyrighted. You may refer to it as with any other copyrighted Fair Use work. The other resource is assumed to be copyrighted unless you have explicit documentation to the contrary. Proceed as you would with any closed resource you did not write. Provide proper attribution, and do not copy content to the extent that it would violate the copyright holder's rights. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:27, 19 September 2017 (UTC)


RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 00:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Ben Steigmann[edit]

The accounts are not impersonations they are Ben Steigmann, I have been looking into this guys trolling activities for several years. He is a proven liar and a known racist. Abd is friends with Steigmann off-site, But they are unaware about Steigmann's Internet tactics. This person is not a neutral party. As for Ben He will do anything to evade his ban. He is fooling people by claiming some of the accounts were 'impersonation'. They were all him. What proof do you have they were not him? He is a proven liar, check the SPI archive there is a screenshot of him admitting on facebook to owning the account Gggtt but he did that confess that to abd. Be cautious about what this guy tells you! He also has a personal vendetta against mikemikev so will blame his socks onto him. LadyDragoner (discusscontribs) 19:01, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

@LadyDragoner: If you wish to be taken seriously, use a known Wikimedia account and offer verifiable proof of your concerns supported by a steward Checkuser request. If you wish to avoid being blocked at Wikiversity, focus your comments on edits rather than editors. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:01, 24 September 2017 (UTC)