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Wikiversity Advisor for Wikimedia Grant[edit source]

Hi Dave Braunschweig!

Thank you so much for taking the time to endorse the Eventmath proposal that Brendan (bwsulliv) and I submitted to the Wikimedia Project Grants program. We're happy to say that we've reached the due-diligence stage and are awaiting a final decision from the committee.

From your user page and history, we see that you have significant experience and expertise regarding Wikiversity policies and practices. With that in mind, I'm writing to ask if you would be able to serve as an advisor for the Eventmath grant. I'm also reaching out to Guy vandegrift to ask if he can join us in the same capacity.

Specifically, we propose a monthly video call with the two of you as we implement the primary grant activities from late May through mid-August. During these meetings, we could provide project updates and also address any questions that arise as we implement our plan.

If this works for you, we invite you to add yourself to the proposal in a new section titled "Wikiversity advisors," just above "Interested users and contributors." We appreciate your consideration. We're very excited to contribute to Wikiversity and would be super grateful for the opportunity to work with you!

Thanks again,

Greg at Higher Math Help (discusscontribs) 03:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Greg at Higher Math Help: Thanks for asking. From my perspective, monthly support would be too little and too far in between to be meaningful. I'm also concerned about setting a precedent where we engage in off-wiki support as a primary means of communication. Please reconsider your request. I am willing to serve as an advisor on your efforts, but it is important that these efforts be integrated with the Wikiversity community rather than through a custom approach. It's also important that we focus on open support options everyone may participate in and learn from, if they so choose. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dave Braunschweig:
Thank you so much for your quick reply! That's great advice regarding transparent support that everyone may participate in and learn from.
We do envision most of our interactions occurring on Wikiversity itself on an as-needed basis, subject to your availability. Our idea is that the scheduled video calls would be secondary. Their purpose would be to provide structure: a meeting schedule will facilitate regular updates in the form of public project documentation. We also expect that real-time interaction will quickly surface pertinent issues, in order to allocate our time and funds more efficiently.
To ensure that the support is open, we can post meeting minutes to Wikiversity, and even a recording of the call if desired. I like the idea of posting minutes and had not thought of it until you raised these points, which I think is a nice example of the value of collaboration!
Regarding precedent, I will say that monthly meetings were suggested to us by a Wikimedia Foundation employee who has extensive experience with the grants program, so this approach is already valued as part of the grant process. If you see it as inappropriate for other activities, then perhaps the video calls could be restricted to grant support. Since grants involve funding, the additional project documentation facilitated by the meetings may be warranted.
If you have additional concerns regarding the video calls, I'd be happy to continue this discussion and will appreciate any additional expertise that you can share. In particular, if you would still prefer an alternative approach that does not involve video calls, then we will certainly be open to that.
Thank you again,
Greg at Higher Math Help (discusscontribs) 22:47, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Greg at Higher Math Help and Dave Braunschweig: I think we already have an excellent precedent for establishing an organization within Wikiversity, which is the WikiJournal User Group. They use public Wikiversity discussions whenever possible, but as a refereed journal, obviously must have private communications. @ Greg: When you are ready to start, let me know. Our first order of business is to pick a name for this entity. I propose Draft:Eventmath with the understanding that it will soon be moved to Eventmath. We can create several subpages under this name before it becomes awkward to change names. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Guy vandegrift, Dave Braunschweig, and Bwsulliv:
Terrific! WikiJournal is very interesting, and I see that the WikiJournal User Group communicates via an open email list, open video meetings (with meeting minutes), and on-wiki discussion pages. That's in line with what I had in mind, with the helpful addition of an email list. Similarly, we could have the following communication channels, each accessible from the main Eventmath page:
  • An Eventmath discussion page on Wikiversity can be home to general questions and answers.
  • As required by the grant process, project documentation pages on Meta can document grant activities (meeting minutes could go here).
  • An open email list on can apprise the Eventmath community of major project updates (such as workshop dates). This will take a little work, so Brendan and I can discuss this further (if anyone has relevant experience, we'd be happy to hear about it here).
The final grant approval decision is scheduled to be announced by the Wikimedia Foundation on April 22. If approved, we plan to begin work on the project on May 24; that's when Brendan and I will both have enough time to begin in earnest. After the grantees are announced, we'll reach out to schedule the video calls. (We could address the first order of business that Guy raised in an initial video meeting. For now, we are considering a tabbed main page patterned roughly after WikiProject Mathematics on Wikipedia and not dissimilar to the WikiJournal User Group page; in any case, starting out with Draft:Eventmath makes sense to me.)
I have one follow-up question: Are you (Dave Braunschweig and Guy vandegrift) both on board with the monthly meetings? I know Dave expressed reservations, so I'd be happy to discuss this further. Thank you both so much for taking an interest in our project and for spending time helping us!
Greg at Higher Math Help (discusscontribs) 08:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Having recently retired, I have plenty of time for a new project. I have no problem with monthly video meetings.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 23:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Thanks for confirming. I'm looking forward to working together! Greg at Higher Math Help (discusscontribs) 03:02, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Greg at Higher Math Help, Bwsulliv, and Guy vandegrift: I've added my name to the proposal under Wikiversity advisors. I still see on-wiki support as needed to be of greater importance to the project's overall success than monthly video meetings. We'll see how the scheduling and agendas for the video meetings works out. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:33, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dave Braunschweig: Thank you so much! Brendan and I are looking forward to working with you and Guy. We'll reach out to you once the grantees are announced, which we still expect to happen on April 22. Greg at Higher Math Help (discusscontribs) 05:40, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dave Braunschweig: Just a small comment, an event triggers the consideration of topics and learning resources around the event. The learning resources behind the event must be developed in a sound way independent of the event description. Just a short example. A hacker attack on an institution is the event, the learning resource for the event refers e.g. to IT methods that can be learned to protect the IT infrastructure and might also refer to learning resouces for students to improve their own IT-Risk literacy in using IT systems. The MATH part of it might refer to Number Theory and the background of encryption used as basic introduction of the event. So the foundations would be to develop a good number theory course for EventMath. At least to role out the required course units to handle such type of events within a learning resource. Lets see which topics are selected and developed within Wikiversity, collaboratively scoped, defined with course units, .... COVID-19 shows that good underlying learning resources that can be used in an event must be developed in advance and in collaboratively way to consider different required expertise and scientific disciplines. If EventMath provides an infrastructure for a collaborative planing of learning resources and collaborative implementation prior to an event, then that would be a great achievement independent of the funding of EventMath just by using the available infrastructure in MediaWiki and the existing communication procedures within the Wikiversity community. All the best and regards, --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 07:06, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dave Braunschweig and Guy vandegrift:
Thank you both again for agreeing to help Brendan and I with Eventmath! To see the work we've done for Eventmath until now, you can check out our monthly project updates. We'll be adding an August report later tonight.
We are beginning to work in earnest on the actual Wikiversity pages now, so we would like to begin the monthly advisor meetings to discuss our progress and plans. Currently, we have two locations for Eventmath on Wikiversity. First, the initial skeleton is in the portal namespace. Second, per the guidance from Guy vandegrift above, our new version of Eventmath is in the main namespace, where we've begun work on a new tabbed interface. We do like that the main namespace makes for a shorter URL and potentially has SEO advantages, so we plan to eliminate the initial skeleton from the portal namespace once we're finished with it.
Now that we're going to be building more extensively on Wikiversity, it would be terrific if you and Guy would still be available for our first video call! We would use the time to share more detailed updates on our plans for next month and to learn from your experience regarding Wikiversity practices. So that others can learn from our project, we are planning to post meeting minutes as part of our monthly grant reports. Would you be available next week, and are there any days and times that would be good for you? If next week is not good, we can work around your schedule.
Thanks again for your support!
Greg at Higher Math Help (discusscontribs) 22:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have an open schedule for the meeting. If you give me a few days' notice I am almost certain to be able to fit it in. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 02:52, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Greg at Higher Math Help: Please don't edit archived discussions.

While I might be available to meet, I'm still not understanding why a synchronous meeting is necessary. Please provide a complete agenda with the questions you have so we can maximize the use of our time.

Also, while I might be available, I am not interested in sharing my personal schedule with the entire world. Letting the world know what I am doing and when I am doing it raises security risks. I have received death threats due to my work on Wikiversity. I can't take any of this lightly. Any meeting arrangements will need to be made privately.

Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Dave's suggestion of not meeting online: It is the "culture" of Wikiversity to work publically through written discussions. While I am willing to do online meetings, I think that whenever possible, written public discussions could better engage the Wikiversity community. Let me know if you want to start a page somewhere.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 03:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have carefully considered this opportunity and decided that I need to decline the synchronous meeting. First, I can't recall any time over the last nine years that there has been a meeting like this involving anyone at Wikiversity. There have been in-person meetings of Wikiversity editors, but these were for social purposes rather than support. Second, in fairness to all, there is no way for me to meet in person with one user and then decline the same opportunity for others. Since I am not willing to meet with everyone who asks, I need to not be willing to meet with anyone who asks. I am confident that whatever support is required can be provided through regular Wikiversity support channels. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dave Braunschweig and Guy vandegrift: No problem! Thanks for giving this such careful consideration. Our main goal in this discussion is to open up lines of communication. Since you both prefer asynchronous, written discussions on Wikiversity, Brendan and I are both happy to use that format.
We propose the Eventmath discussion page as the primary location for further discussion, on an as-needed basis, since we won't be holding regular meetings. Once we start welcoming new contributors through our workshops and other initiatives, we can archive these early discussions if they are no longer relevant.
As discussed in our proposal, we do plan for our workshops to be synchronous. Many new Eventmath contributors may be educators who do not have experience with wikis, so we would like to make the process as approachable as possible for them. Fortunately, participants will start their own Eventmath entries during these workshops, so the results of their work will be published on Wikiversity. Perhaps we could also publish minutes for these synchronous events. The meeting minutes from the WikiJournal User Group may serve as inspiration, and we could potentially link to our own minutes from the Eventmath Impact tab.
--Greg at Higher Math Help (discusscontribs) 02:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Transwiki imports[edit source]

At voy:Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion, the discussion of a possible transwiki to Wikiversity was discussed. You may have an opinion on whether the topic (American Colonialism) is appropriate for Wikiversity, but more significantly, if transwikis were to be done, it would be necessary for someone to have the transwiki import right. If I were to apply for that right, where would the application be done? Thanks, SelfieCity (discusscontribs) 17:49, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SelfieCity: See Special:ListGroupRights. Curators are able to import from other wikis. However, Special:Import doesn't currently list Wikivoyage as a source, so none of us can import directly at the moment. Perhaps we could request a steward import it for us. To request curator status, see Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:47, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Atcovi: Can you import from Wikivoyage? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:47, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe I can. I went on Special:Import and I couldn't find a source wiki for wikivoyage. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 15:09, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Transwiki discussion hasn’t gone anywhere for now, but it’s a neat idea and if transwikis between the sites were made possible, it would at least open the possibility of some well-written textbook-style content to be imported here, as it is useful and reliable information but not always best suited to a travel website. SelfieCity (discusscontribs) 02:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]