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Azores / Atlantis[edit source]

The Abstract of The Atlantis Location Hypothesis in Wikiversity has been changed to explain the contradictions of Wikipedia as follows. We can change it back if need be. Because of the resistance to new scientific ideas that appear in Wikiversity that are still in Wikipedia I feel that we owe the readers of Wikiversity an explanation of the perceived resistance to the Atlantis Location Hypothesis in Wikiversity. This has been going on for over 9 years.

The revised Abstract of The Atlantis Location Hypothesis in Wikiversity follows.

Dave Braunschweig Hi Dave,

I saw that there were some slight changes in the Atlantis Location Hypothesis address.

Are there any changing status of removing it from Draft? I found some pages associated with it that did not look familiar to me.

I lost your email or it doesn't seem to work so I wanted to ask about the Atlantis Hypothesis status.


RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 18:24, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're the only one to edit Draft:Location hypotheses of Atlantis this year. The only option for removing it from Draft: space would be to move it to your user space under User:RAYLEIGH22. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:11, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

O.K. Dave. Thank you so much. I wasn't sure. I just wanted to make sure. Thanks so much for all of your help and advice.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 13:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ABSTRACT[edit source]

Wikipedia offers opinions about the Atlantis Location Hypothesis that are long-standing and that shun recent scientific knowledge gained from advances in Geology and Climate Change Science. Much has been written about Atlantis since Plato's Timaeus and Critias dialogues were written down over 2,400 years ago. Generally, this consensus that has been arrived at over the years relies upon perceived or imagined errors in the translation of Plato into modern language form that attempts to change the timelines of Plato in his original writings. Over the years timelines derived from the Bible has contradicted Plato's original timeline. For his text to survive those timelines had to be explained in a manner that would satisfy the religious authorities of the historical period in which they came up. Later, Gradualism also caused problems. Gradualism was a scientific explanation for the Earth that explained the timelines being discovered by science that went back millions and billions of years. Religious authorities who relied upon miracles and the 6 day creation of the Earth in addition to other catastrophic events described in the Bible became termed Catastrophism. Catastrophism is also causing resistance to this Atlantis Location Hypothesis in Wikipedia because mainstream science tends to Gradualism.

This Atlantis Location Hypothesis takes Plato's two works as documents of history because it has never been proven conclusively that they are not. From this record the search for Atlantis the island in the Atlantic Ocean just as Plato described is initiated and a hypothesis with evidence is submitted. Using scientific methods, research and principles we are establishing Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean using these principles during the time Plato said it was there approximately 12,000 years ago. The modern sciences of today and very recent scientific climate and sea level change principles will help to establish the geography lesson of Plato. Of course, his justification is not the point here. The point is that the written and the oral records of humanity such as we have from Plato are important and will lead to revelations today that have been creatively suggested by inquisitive minds and then doubted by some of the best scientists and historians of the last 2,400 years or more.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 13:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

11 July 2018 RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 03:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I archived the Wikipedia Azores talk page section to the the Wikiversity Atlantis talk page. You can trim that specific archived talkpage if you want. I didn't know what you had in mind. Sidelight12 Talk 04:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

not sure who I am talking to here, but the part about the mountain range sinking into the supervolcano caldera at Yellowstone sure makes Atlantis sinking take on a whole different light.[edit source]

I believe that the original statement that I referred was made by Dr. Jake Lowenstern of the USGS.

Right now there is so much research going on regarding I really don't know where to start. That and the whole wikiversity Azores/Atlantis/supervolcano site needs reorganized.

So I need to start looking around, which I have done. And no, you are not going to get a lot of vulcanologists to discuss Atlantis in the Azores although this argument has raised a lot of eyebrows in that community.

I am proud that it started wikipedia in 2009. Even though it had to be moved doing a Google search using keywords azores,atlantis,supervolcano never fails to pull up the site 1st at the top of the list.

I still would like a link to the wikiversity site from the Atlantis location site in wikipedia, that is where it started and the argument in favor of Atlantis in the Azores grows strength steadily.

Just look at this list of volcanos around the Azores. Rest assured, from the earthquake activity in the area and the supervolcano caldera and mantle plume none of these volcanoes in the Azores are technically dormant.

Thanks for all of your help. Thank Doug, too, for me. I don't seem to be able to communicate well here yet, but I am sure that will come in time.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 02:09, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, with all of the sites talking about Plato and Atlantis and Plato making up the story of Atlantis, I don't blame you all for moving my discussion. It was protection as well for both sites. There will come a day when even if Atlantis is not in the Azores rest assurred that a sunken landmass is...

Sidelight12 isn't active here anymore. Go ahead and make the changes you are wanting to make. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:35, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 13:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Edits[edit source]


I placed the following on Wikipedia Azores Location

M. Ewing wrote that beach sand from prehistoric times was brought up in two deep sea cores, one from 3 km and the other from 5.5 km. These two cores came from an area over 1000 km from the coast on the Mid-Atlantic-Ridge. There were two layers in one core of sand which dated according to sedimentation rates at 20,000 to 100,000 years and in the other at 225,000 to 325,000 years[1].

R.W.Kobe found numerous diatoms from freshwater on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge from several cores that were taken over 900 km distance from the coast of Equatorial West Africa. He claimed that this was evidence that the area in question was islands 10 – 12,000 years ago. The diatoms that he found he said were deposited as sediment in fresh water lakes which were later inundated under 3km of sea water. He states that this was a more plausible explanation than the claim that turbidity currents had moved the diatoms 930 km along the sea bottom and then lifted them up over 1000 km and deposited them on a the top of a submerged hill [2].

B.C. Heezen et. al. reports that at 37 degrees North the Atlantis seamount located on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is flat topped at a depth of around 180 fathoms and has a current-rippled sand and or cobbles. Around a ton of limestone cobbles were brought up from the summit a sample of which gave a radio-carbon date of 12,000+/- 900 years. B.C. Heezen and colleagues states that that the limestone was lithified in a location above the water and that his is evidence that the seamount had once been an island but was submerged in the last 12,000 years [3]

  1. [19] M. Ewing, 'New discoveries on the mid-Atlantic ridge', National Geographic Magazine, vol. xcvi (Nov.), 1949, pp. 611-640; Corliss, 1990, p. 245
  2. R.W. Kolbe, 'Fresh-water diatoms from Atlantic deep-sea sediments', Science, vol. 126, 1957, pp. 1053-1056; R.W. Kolbe, 'Turbidity currents and displaced fresh-water diatoms', Science, vol. 127, 1958, pp. 1504-1505; Corliss, 1989, pp. 32-33
  3. B.C. Heezen, M. Ewing, D.B. Ericson & C.R. Bentley, 'Flat-topped Atlantis, Cruiser, and Great Meteor Seamounts' (Abstract), Geological Society of America Bulletin, vol. 65, 1954, p. 1261; Corliss, 1988, p. 88.

IS there anything that is technically NOT allowable about this post? IT was removed.

Can it be placed back? This was NOT a disruptive edit. I am being harassed.


First, do not repeat that edit again, or you will be blocked on Wikipedia for revert warring. Instead, use the Talk page to discuss your proposed additions and their reasons for removing them. Note that the reason given for one of the reverts was original research. You would need to move effectively document that what you are adding is not original research. This may be difficult, since they know you are doing your own original research. If you are unable to resolve your differences through discussion, there is a Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee you may refer to. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:39, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Dave.

I shall proceed as you advise.

Can you tell me more about Thierry613? I would specifically like to know if he is interested in modifying content or structure of the information on the page.

Thanks RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 13:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC) RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 00:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can tell you that User:Thierry613's talk page is at User_talk:Thierry613. The best way to find out this user's interests would be to contact the user. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:22, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Google Map 3-D Perspective permission site is here...

If there is a problem I can remove the map, but is is so interesting, a much better picture with modern technology showing the elevation of the Azores Plateau from the ocean floor.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 02:08, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dave, I do wish to pursue the Curator of the Atlantis Location Hypothesis. I understand that I was declared the Curator. Please advise. Thanks. RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 23:04, 21 August 2017 (UTC) RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 13:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Atlantis/Location Hypotheses[edit source]


I am currently peer reviewing Atlantis/Location Hypotheses. This is an open process. Please add any comments you wish to make to the talk page for the resource being reviewed only! Thanks! I have moved the ones you left on my talk page there! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:22, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Left you a not on your page....

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 17:51, 10 May 2017 (UTC) RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 13:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your Wikipedia activity[edit source]

I just noticed your Wikipedia activity on the topic of Atlantis. You are okay for now if you don't stir things up any more. What you were doing was clueless as to how Wikipedia works, and the warnings you got there were common, even though you did not understand the situation. That is quite normal, Wikipedia process can be arcane, and not necessarily what someone without experience with Wikipedia conflict would expect. And that community can have very little patience, and especially does not like long explanations, people have been blocked merely for making them.

As you know, you are welcome to develop educational resources on almost any topic on Wikiversity, and that includes Atlantis. If there is conflict, there are ways of resolving it here that only fail if users refuse or fail to be cooperative. A top-level resource, if anyone insists, should be rigorously neutral, and anything controversial can be shoved to attributed subpages. That will resolve almost all conflicts. It is not necessary to establish that an attributed opinion or point of view is "correct," and argument over that can be disruptive. Be polite, be respectful, be cooperative, and you should be fine on Wikiversity, leaving you with a high degree of freedom.

To be more specific, you filed a Request for Arbitration on Wikipedia. An arbitrator, quite kindly, deleted that. Looking at it, my immediate impression is "this user is an outsider and has no idea what he is doing." For example, you did not edit the section header as instructed, and you eliminated the final header "=" that caused the header to fail. You were taking a small editing dispute, without exhausting normal dispute resolution procedure, to the Committee. They dislike that, intensely. And you did not preview your edit carefully, even though it was going before the very busy Arbitration Committee, the top-level process on Wikipedia.

Users who don't know what they are doing who file arbitration requests commonly end up blocked, sometimes banned. That would not, in itself, stop you from working on Wikiversity, but if you can avoid a Wikipedia block, other possibilities remain open for you. As an example, you might be able to suggest to a user on an article talk page, perhaps asking a question, that they can look at or participate in or discuss the topic on Wikiversity. That would ordinarily be allowed there. "Do not discuss the issue raised there," unless it can be extremely brief. As to putting a sister wiki link on an article page, that is theoretically possible, but is also often opposed (and that this opposition is possibly improper doesn't help. If you push it, you can be sanctioned, and you have no credibility there, being a Single Purpose Account. I recommend that you stay entirely away from editing Wikipedia articles on Atlantis, or related topics, and on Talk pages, that you limit yourself, if you edit at all, to very brief notes, no long explanations of anything. Wikipedia is not interested in and does not support discussion of topics.

Good luck, and if you have any questions, you are welcome to ask. --Abd (discusscontribs) 17:40, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Abd,

Thank you. I respect your comments enough to place an acknowledgment to you kind advice in the acknowledgmentS section of the hypothesis.


RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 23:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC) RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 13:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Atlantis Location Hypothesis[edit source]

From [1].


I don't know your status at Wikiversity is currently. I was going to contact Allison Davenport and tell her of the story of the Atlantis Location Hypothesis and of the current suppression of the project. I'm not sure if I want to go to Sweeden, as money is an issue, but it would be in her area of free access to new ideas, etc. But first I want to know if it will injure you or your standing in any way. That would be something that I would not do. So, I guess I am seeking your opinion on this action before I do it. I am composing the email now on my private e-mail account and if you want you can contact me there any time. OR, just message me in Wikipedia.


RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 12:04, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not edit someone else's archive. Archived discussions are historical and should not be extended. Just create a new thread.
Publishing content at Wikiversity is not a right. Wikiversity is a community, and anything posted here is posted only with either the implicit support of the community, or without the explicit objection of the community.
Atlantis Location hypothesis is fringe research and has caused disruption in the past. That disruption has led to explicit objections regarding this research. As repeated at [2] and [3], you are required to address these community concerns before continuing your research.
Rather than addressing the concerns, you have disregarded multiple talk page norms, expanded on your passion for the topic, attempted to extend the research, and made it clear that you were done editing at Wikiversity and were moving on to another venue.
Now, rather than either moving on or following guidance described on several occasions on multiple pages, you wish to claim suppression and seek support from the WMF. I suppose you are welcome to do so if you wish, but I've never had any interactions with the WMF that required an in-person consultation, and I've never had any interactions with the WMF that didn't consider community consensus.
I am concerned that community-based development is not the best venue for this research. I am equally concerned that you have been unable to demonstrate a willingness to work with the community and follow community norms to support this research.
You need to make a decision. If you can work within the norms of this community and seek community support, you need to do so, following the advice and guidance you have already received. If not, you need to move on to a different venue. Any other approach will likely result in the community helping to make the decision for you.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:36, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I second Dave's comments, both here and on his own talk page. Please pay attention to what he is saying to you. For your information (since you’ve rather derisively said you don’t know his status), Dave is a highly respected Wikimedian, is currently one of the custodians on Wikiversity, and has the confidence of the wider Wikimedia community. --Green Giant (discusscontribs) 16:42, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK Thanks for your help and advice. I practically stopped work on this for a long time. I just started working on it again. I have been working on it for years, Dave Braunschweig and Marshallsumter have been my main contacts. Should my main contact become you, then, Green Giant? Please advise.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 02:51, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How will the checkuser policy and additional curators affect me?

I was nominated for Curator in 2016 but I have not heard anything since that time.

Thank you all very much

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 19:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That request was closed per reasons given at Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/RAYLEIGH22. --mikeu talk 21:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I feel that I should mention that I have been inactive on the Atlantis Location Hypotheses for long periods. I would like to start working on it again. Thank you all very much.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 20:04, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]