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Most Active Wikiversity User for January 2013[edit source]

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Most Active Wikiversity User for January 2013

Marshallsumter, I was reviewing the list of active users for this past month and noticed you had by far the most edits in January. Keep up the good work! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for the massive edits on astronomy! Goldenburg111 (talk|contribs) 18:49, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you for your help with Research in programming Wikidata! -- Andrew Krizhanovsky (discusscontribs) 05:45, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Use of PDFs in Wikiversity[edit source]

@Marshallsumter: What do you recommend for people who want to include a PDF in a Wikiversity article?

I ask, because at my request, an attorney, User:Henry M. Stoever, created an account and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons two PDFs, which he wrote and submitted as part of a legal preceeding.

However, those PDFs were deleted from Wikimedia Commons for reasons that are not at all clear. A couple of days ago, I found the deletion notices with comments referring to some jpg file whose copyright status was being challenged. I found that one of the files had been deleted by User:Arthur Crbz, so I asked about that on Commons:User talk:Arthur Crbz/files by Henry M. Stoever deleted. I was then asked to "Please post the undeletion request on this page : COM:UDR. Don't forget to mention the name of the affected files." I did that. After I pointed out that the justification did not match the documents that were deleted, the justification was deleted, but the files were not restored. User:Jameslwoodward then acknowledged there was no copyright problem, but opposed the undeletion on the grounds that Commons has very few PDFs. User:Gone Postal then supported restoring the files, noting that Commons has "many media which have gathered zero media coverage, and that is never an appropriate reason to delete something."

I used those PDFs in Fifteen anti-nuke protestors tried for 2019 trespass on the Kansas City Plant. I created that article based in part on the history of our interactions, believing that you would likely consider this to be a reasonable use of Wikiversity.

If you feel that this kind of material should be allowed on Wikimedia Commons, I'd be pleased if you would so state on "Commons:Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests/Undelete two files posted by their author". Otherwise, I'd be pleased if you'd tell me what you think would be appropriate in this case. (That Wikiversity article on "Fifteen anti-nuke protestors tried for 2019 trespass on the Kansas City Plant" is an approximate partial transcript of that trial in the Municipal Court of Kansas City, Missouri. Since that court is not a court of record, it seemed sensible to me to create this approximate partial transcript, as I did. The case has some modest international significance, as two of the 17 people arrested were Europeans, who did not return for the trial and will have to face prosecution should they ever decide to return to the US. In addition, of course, this documents an act of civil disobedience relating to other material I've published on Wikiversity.)

Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 23:38, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

As I recall the pdf was released as Public Domain or CC comparable so Commons may delete it if they do not consider it within their scope. Here it can be uploaded as Public Domain or CC comparable as long as it's in use say as a reference for your essay and is so cited. Unused files are usually deleted after some time. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 00:18, 18 January 2020 (UTC).
@Marshallsumter: How do I upload them here?
The two PDFs are cited in Fifteen anti-nuke protestors tried for 2019 trespass on the Kansas City Plant. When I click on the first link, which worked until someone deleted it, I now get "File not found: /v1/AUTH_mw/wikipedia-commons-local-public.ed/e/ed/City_v._17_Defendants%2C_Trial_Brief%2C_4th%2C_Ct._F%2C_trial_Nov._1%2C_2019.pdf".
Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 09:26, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
The Upload file link in the left column should work fine! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 15:31, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 22:52, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

"Notes" behavior changed in "Nuclear weapons and effective defense"[edit source]

@Marshallsumter: The "Notes" heading is not displaying in the article on "Nuclear weapons and effective defense", and the items are not numbered.

What can you tell me about this? Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 22:58, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

If you remove "<:!-- McNamara and Blight (2003) Wilson's ghost"}}" the Notes reappear! This "<:!-- without the colon is the beginning of a comment but it doesn't end correctly. }} isn't right. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks.
What should I have done to have found that myself?
Obviously, I should have looked more carefully at the results after I added "<:!-- McNamara and Blight (2003) Wilson's ghost"}}".
However, if I didn't catch the error when I made it, I could have first looked at another Wikiversity article to see if that had the same problem. Eventually, I noticed that this problem did NOT appear in another Wikiversity article. Now I know to search for "<:!--" to find one without a matching close.
Anything else? Thanks again, (The preceding unsigned comment was added by DavidMCEddy (talkcontribs) 15:08, 22 January 2020‎‎)

Partial Block[edit source]

Your account has been blocked from editing Wikipedia:News and all main space pages for continued violation of community consensus regarding Draft: resources. See [1] for the most recent evidence and reason for the block. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:28, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

The resources included in Wikiversity:News are ready for learners. What I would like to do is move them from Draft:Original research/Fringe sciences to Original research/Fringe sciences, Draft:Original research/History to Original research/History, and Draft:North Sea continental shelves to Original research/North Sea continental shelves.
The resource Geochemistry to produce Widgiemoolthalite is an original research effort to determine the geochemistry behind the conversion of nickel sulfide to Widgiemoolthalite and can be moved to Original research/Geochemistry to produce Widgiemoolthalite. It is not a lecture. I can include a series of hypotheses that will be tested. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 01:42, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
The community review is still open. See, in particular, the last paragraph. Regarding moving draft resources to main space, see Wikiversity:Drafts. You cannot move these resources to main space yourself, and at this point, any moves would be counter-productive, as you would no longer be able to edit them. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:57, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Enough is enough. You have gone too far in moving resources. This needs to stop. Your continuing justifications are too much. I highly support this block to prevent you from continuing to defy community norms. --mikeu talk 04:27, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
I have to agree with mikeu and Dave Braunschweig. Constantly re-litigating resolved issues wastes too much time. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 21:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

sitewide block[edit source]

Per Wikiversity:Community Review/Marshallsumter you have been blocked from editing sitewide for the next 3 months. When this expires the indef partial block on mainspace resources and Wikiversity:News will continue indefinitely. I would suggest (and urge) that you to take this time to reflect on your behaviour and the severe negative impact that it has had on the Wikiversity community. Your evasive responses and failure to take responsibility for your actions was a large part in my decision on this closure. Any further trangressions after the expiration will result in sitewide blocks of equal or longer duration. --mikeu talk 02:38, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your concern expressed in: "This is a difficult call to make as there is such a wide range of opinions on what response is appropriate. It is clear that neither extreme of suggested sanctions has community support. The question is how to split the difference. The current block on mainspace and Wikiversity:News has been in place for some time. I'm going to make the call based on the input above that this is insufficient. A full block on editing Wikiversity for 3 months is needed to send the message that this behaviour was inappropriate and damaging to our community." May I ask you to be exactly specific as to what "behaviour was inappropriate and damaging to our community." that this current block, or if it helps, what the previous block, is for? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Are you serious? Are you so clueless that you can't honestly see the severe damage that your actions have caused? You've enabled and encouraged someone who has viciously harassed a valuable contributor here. This will not be tolerated and I will not waste our community's time expalaining blatently obvious outcomes to someone who refuses to recognize the errors and adverse results that we've had to deal with. Please explain to us why we should continue to tolerate your flagrant abuse of our community norms. --mikeu talk 03:28, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your response! The individual you describe was charged in 2011 and 2016 with Electronic Harassment (EH) and acquitted of both! I believe the individual you're referring to ("a valuable contributor here") is user:Vermont. While I haven't seen the Court records, I believe the reason the individual who electronically attacked Vermont was acquitted of EH is because the Court was made aware that most if not all cell phone users and computer users have spam filters, which are a consistent and an effective counter to unwanted electronic messaging. If Vermont or their family suffered emotional damage they are free to sue the perpetrator; however, if I'm right as to why the perpetrator was acquitted the result may be the same in such a suit. User:Vermont may not have been aware of the possibility of using a spam filter, but the burden of proof of suffering emotional harm begs a question none of us are qualified to answer. As to "You've enabled and encouraged someone who has viciously harassed a valuable contributor here.", that individual was apparently EHing before and after my intervention demonstrating that their boxing facts were correct. In short, no change in behavior except for the brief period of about six months after I entered the supporting boxing facts, where they stopped EHing. So, I neither "enabled" nor "encouraged", but ironically stopped the perpetrator's behavior for about six months. Subsequent harassments here and elsewhere, as before have been dealt with by using "only Auto-confirmed users may edit." The easiest way to prevent any efforts on my part to help any user here who enters statements that prove factual is to have someone trustworthy here to consult with first; for example, user:Jtneil, which I'm happy to do, in case there's more to the user than was available. As I've stated, I have to follow USA law! If you have what you believe is a "community norm" and it may violate USA law, then it may be your "community norm" that needs to be re-examined. It also appears to be the case that you may be violating a fundamental USA legal principle of double jeopardy. From your statements above it appears you are blocking me twice for the same apparent "offense"; that is, the matter of the EHer. I thought the first block was for something else. You may be thinking about two different "community norms". The effort to block regarding the EHer was effectively opposed so no consensus exists now for such a block. Can you be specific regarding what the first block "community norm" was for? Please try to understand that "double jeopardy" is a serious federal offense and is not a "community norm". As you've used the word "behaviour" which is the UK spelling, I'm guessing you are probably from England where I don't believe they have a "double jeopardy" principle, but we have it here! As I've made clear to you before this is not wikilawyering but required informing! If you need time to cool off please take that time before responding! I hope this helps! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 04:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Your response is so confused, out of touch with reality, and ridiculous that it makes no sense to even try respond to it. Wikiversity is not a court of law so double jepeordy has no releveance. My personal opinion is likewise irrelevant. You have been blocked for behaviour that is inappropriate. Deal with it. Let it sink in. Take this seriously. Your block has been extended to one year to give you time to comprehend the damage that your actions have caused to our community. My statement that you should take responsibility for you actions is not a suggestion. It is a requirement. --mikeu talk 04:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
As initial clarification, I am not involved in any of his arrests or court appearances. I only started doing cross-wiki antivandalism in 2017. Also, he wasn’t acquitted of the second one; he was in prison for a bit under a year iirc. He still regularly threatens the Judge on his Facebook. I’ll send out a longer response here later. Vermont (discusscontribs) 12:58, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Defending an LTA who continually threatens my life and that of other contributors, who went so far as to email me saying that he acquired an automatic weapon just to come to my house and kill me, on the basis that most people have spam filters is not a defense here or in any American court. No emotional harm on my part was suffered by those threats, Ljupco Steriev does not know where I live and I find it unlikely he'd be able to purchase a firearm, legally or illegally, but it is a death threat nontheless. The legal validity of harassment is not judged by emotional harm, nor are spam filters a valid legal defense to threatening someone's life. See the relevant law in Steriev's state; apparently I don't even need to read the email for it to be harassment. With the legal definition of harassment expressed there, he's committed it hundreds of times against dozens of editors on many Wikimedia projects.
In regard to your situation, double jeapordy has nothing to do with this. Wikimedia projects operate on a very different system than the American court system, as we are on a very different platform, with a very different purpose, with very different rules. With Mu301 blocking you twice for the same offense, it is evidently because you continue spouting the same incoherent, insulting, and policy-breaking nonsense that got you blocked in the first place.
In terms of the two times Ljupco was arrested and appeared in court, I believe they're both from the politician who exposed Stereiv's chess fraud in 1999, after which he started harassing the politician. As far as I can tell, in the first arrest he was acquitted, and in the second arrest he was either imprisoned, put on parole, or something of that nature. Regardless of the result of those cases he is a long-term abuser on Wikimedia projects and to Wikimedia contributors; the decision in an unrelated court case does not magically waive all the abuse he's done on-wiki before and after the case. That covers the legal references in your message; it is evident you know absolutely nothing about the Illinois or American legal system, and the opinions you expressed are all misguided and utterly incorrect.
Onto the idea that inputting the edits to boxing pages that he wants will make him stop his vandalism. I do not care about his views on boxing, that has never been a driving force for him; I never even noticed his boxing edits until after he started harassing me. My first encounter with him was as an administrator on the Simple English Wikipedia. I was patrolling recent changes and saw him leave a very colorful and threatening message in the userspace of an English Wikipedia administrator. I reverted it, blocked the IP, and called it a day. I began recieving threatening emails, he started using IPs and accounts to threaten me onwiki, added me to his pasted rants, and I continued reverting and blocking. He evidently gains utility from harassing people, otherwise he would be putting more effort into legitimately trying to enact his changes rather than making threats, keeping up his website, and writing rants in various corners of the internet.
Your imprudent attempts to justify an LTAs death threats on multiple other contributors are simply another output of the irresponsible and unthinking idiocy which you have continually expressed around this issue. There is no instance where it is okay to be defending someone with hundreds of locked sockpuppets, dozens of blocked IP ranges, dozens of harassing email accounts, and a 12-year history of harassing every contributor who dare contest any of their threatening rants, from random antivandal editors who happen to see one of his edits in their queue all the way to Jimbo. Cut the shit, and log out permanently. Vermont (discusscontribs) 14:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Semiotics[edit source]

Hi, would you like help with the Semiotics article?

--Perkwus (discusscontribs) 03:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)