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Lua module/template request[edit]

Hi! This looks like it could be the right place to ask about getting a Lua module (and template) added to Wikiversity, and if it's not I bet folks here can point me in that direction. Smiley.svg

I'm helping out with the pages about Evidence based assessment, and we have a reference list that will also serve as a resource for students working on Wikipedia articles about individual assessment measures (e.g., health questionnaires), including some of the first sources those students will need to cite. Since this reference list almost certain to become a de facto referencing cheat sheet, we'd like to take advantage of that and display the code for citation along with the rendered result. We could use {{Markup}}, but it's bulky and puts as much (or more) emphasis on the code than the rendered result.

We'd like to use Wikipedia's {{Demo}} template because the style parameter provides some control over the <pre>...</pre> block, and perhaps use Demo Lua module to create a new template that would hide/collapse the code block for users who don't need it. Is it possible to get this template and Lua module added to Wikiversity?

Thanks! ShelleyAdams (discusscontribs) 21:03, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Templates and modules are imported, but you're going to need to test them carefully to see if anything is missing. Also, please review the /doc pages for these templates and clean them up for Wikiversity use. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
@ShelleyAdams: It's completely fine to import something from en.wp (especially if you use the Special:Import tool but even copy/pasting is technically fine). Just note that w:en:Template:Demo relies on all of the following modules and templates, which will also have to be imported:
  • Template:((
  • Template:))
  • Template:=
  • Template:Asbox
  • Template:Demo
  • Template:Demo/doc
  • Template:Documentation
  • Template:Documentation subpage
  • Template:Done
  • Template:Escape
  • Template:Fail
  • Template:Lua
  • Template:Para
  • Template:Red
  • Template:T
  • Template:Tag
  • Template:Tl
  • Module:Arguments
  • Module:Asbox
  • Module:Buffer
  • Module:Category handler
  • Module:Category handler/blacklist
  • Module:Category handler/config
  • Module:Category handler/data
  • Module:Category handler/shared
  • Module:Demo
  • Module:Documentation
  • Module:Documentation/config
  • Module:Escape
  • Module:List
  • Module:Lua banner
  • Module:Message box
  • Module:Message box/configuration
  • Module:Namespace detect/config
  • Module:Namespace detect/data
  • Module:Navbar
  • Module:No globals
  • Module:RoundN
  • Module:TableTools
  • Module:Yesno
Certainly not impossible, just more complicated than at first blush. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:28, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the help @Dave Braunschweig! Also, FYI @Koavf: looks like there are permission restrictions on Special:Import. —ShelleyAdams (discusscontribs) 20:58, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
@ShelleyAdams: Yes, sorry--you have to be an importer to use it. I can import or you can copy and paste them and provide attribution. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:59, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
If you decide to C&P, please provide a hyperlink or in your edit summary put resource title and source! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 22:01, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: Cleaned up the Template:Demo/doc, but when I checked on {{Escape}} it's got errors because Module:Escape/testcases is missing. —ShelleyAdams (discusscontribs) 23:21, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
@ShelleyAdams: Module:Escape/testcases is available at Wikipedia:Module:Escape/testcases. But it may have bugs in it. I am unable to open it there. Perhaps I didn't wait long enough. Anyway, thanks for your efforts! You might want to take a look at Wikiversity:Curators. The additional rights may be of interest to you. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:27, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Languages resources and Wikilang[edit]

Good day all, as you may have seen, I have created the Wikilang learning resource recently. It stemmed from a proposal for a new project that has been declined, but I feel the content fits with Wikiversity's mission. Wikilang's role is to teach, record and document languages, including dead languages. The Wikilang project already has documentation and lessons on some languages. I propose to revamp the existing School:Language and Literature and School:Linguistics that need some love to be better organized and to merge them with the Wikilang project. Under it, I would create a portal for the Literature section and keep the existing departements/portals for the individual languages and I would re-work the existing language portals currently under Wikilang to better fit the department model of Wikiversity and be better integrated, it would also include the Portal:Foreign Language Learning that is already well organized. Basically, I propose to merge School:Language and Literature and School:Linguistics that are not very well organized to become School:Wikilang with three main departments : Languages, Linguistics and Literature. What do you think about that? Here is how it would look like: School:Wikilang. Thanks, Amqui (discusscontribs) 17:01, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome Amqui! Thanks for taking on this project! First, some background perspective. Schools, Topics (Divisions and Departments), and Portals were all part of the original vision for Wikiversity, and were popular among some of the early contributors. However, they were always intended only as a place for contributors to work with each other to organize content. They were not intended to be a place to develop that content. Default searches do not include school, topic, or portal content.
Fast-forward six to eight years and everyone who was involved in developing the School and Topic models had moved on, Portals were under-developed, and no one was maintaining any of these. Then Wikimedia implemented Flow, and used the Topic: namespace to do so, breaking Wikiversity for a day or two until they turned the feature off here. About a year ago we started cleaning up the School and Topic namespace, reducing the number of schools by maybe 70%, eliminating topics (departments), and moving any semi-useful organizational content to Portals. Actual content was moved to the main resource space. Interestingly, during that review, it became apparent that most users who contributed to the School or Topic (department) pages never actually contributed any content. They typically created empty placeholders. Most users contributing content were busy working on content, and didn't invest time in the school or department approach. Wikiversity development is currently content focused, and a review of Wikiversity:Statistics shows that effort is consistent with user interest. Most schools and portals are well-down on the statistics list, or not listed at all.
I agree that the schools of Language and Literature and Linguistics could be combined and reworked. Wikilang is a fine name for a portal or learning project, but I wouldn't recommend it as the name of a school covering language or linguistics. A search for either language or linguistics won't find Wikilang. Perhaps Language Studies could be used for the school name, and this school could prominently highlight the Wikilang portal and make the connection that way. I like the new page design you have. I think relabeling Divisions and Departments to Learning Resources, Language Resources, Wikilang Resources, Language Portals, Wikilang Portals, or similar would be more consistent with your vision. There's no need to maintain a school or department perspective, as they are not maintained and generally do not draw user interest.
The only other recommendation I have so far would be to consolidate and simplify wherever possible. Portals with high user interest are fine. Portals that aren't well-maintained and don't draw user interest can be combined or eliminated. Move useful content into the main resource namespace and go on. If there's a list of statistics that would be helpful in deciding how to organize, let me know. See Wikiversity:School Review for an example of what I used as a basis for part of last year's efforts. Perhaps a Wikiversity:Portal Review page would be helpful now. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:24, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for the feedback. I had started building the framwork with "Departments" and "Divisions" by looking at other schools, but what you say make plently of sense. I have already consolidated the "main" pages for every languages present on Wikiversity (I think so) : Portal:Wikilang/List of languages. Most are portals and some are just a page in the main page (or both) while some are just the first pages of a lesson since they do not have a main page whatsoever, others are just a mess or an empty shell, and some are just some portals that I imported from Wikilang on Meta. I will go back to Wikilang being a portal, and having the School:Languages Studies combine the existing two schools mentioned, I will start organizing each language with a portal for their main page, and avoid the Topic namespace for the languages. Would you have a couple of good examples of schools' pages that are well organized? Thank you again, Amqui (discusscontribs) 23:36, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Here's a couple of schools that may be considered better organized:
  1. School:Physics and Astronomy,
  2. School:Chemistry,
  3. School:Computer Science,
  4. School:Biology,
  5. School:Economics, and
  6. School:Medicine. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:50, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I have created the School:Languages Studies and updated the Portal:Wikilang. I am waiting for you feedback before transforming School:Linguistics and School:Language and Literature into redirect pages. Also, I have a question: what are the "streams"? Thanks, Amqui (discusscontribs) 01:19, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Just FYI, the School:Linguistics is part of the Portal:Social Sciences, whereas School:Language and Literature is part of the Portal:Humanities! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 03:02, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
The Portal:Linguistics and the School:Classics are both a mess. Perhaps putting the School:Classics into the School:Language and Literature, and combining the School:Linguistics with the Portal:Linguistics is a better idea. What do you think? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 03:18, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
There is also the Portal:East Asian languages and civilizations that perhaps should be included into either the School:Languages Studies or the School:Language and Literature. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 03:28, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
The difference between Portal:Humanities and Portal:Social Sciences is very slim. The Portal:Humanities says that Humanities study human culture while the Portal:Social Sciences says that Social Sciences study human society. If I use the definition in the Wiktionary, Humanities are the study of language, literature, philosophy, and the arts, and Social Science is the science that studies the society and human behavior in it, including anthropology, communication studies, criminology, economics, geography, history, political science, psychology, social studies, and sociology. If the intent is to keep School:Linguistics under Social Sciences, then I propose to just keep it separated and just merge the School:Language and Literature with the School:Languages Studies that I just created; basically it would only be a renaming then. And I will remove the linguistics part under School:Languages Studies and just add a link to the School:Linguistics and vice-versa. There is no point in keeping both School:Languages Studies and School:Language and Literature, we just need to decide what is the best title.
My proposition is to merge School:Languages Studies and School:Language and Literature under the name School:Languages Studies that would be part of Humanities and to merge School:Linguistics and Portal:Linguistics under the name School:Linguistics that would be part of Social Sciences.
As for the Portal:East Asian languages and civilizations, it is already included in the School:Languages Studies on the Portal:Wikilang. Thanks, Amqui (discusscontribs) 15:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
From your comment on the talk page of School:Languages Studies about renaming it into School:Language Studies, I changed my mind. I think the best solution would be to include Linguistics under the same school dans name it School:Language Studies as you proposed. I don't see any problem with this school being part of both Humanities and Social Sciences at the same time. In real life, there are university department that fall under more than one faculty. It would be too complicated to separate what is "linguistics" and what is "languages" if the schools are separated as they are now. So my proposition is now to have the School:Language Studies that where all the three current schools (School:Languages Studies, School:Language and Literature and School:Linguistics) would be merged. Under it, the Portal:Wikilang will be kept for the "languages" part, the Portal:Linguistics will be kept and a Portal:Literature will need to be created. I think it is the best solution, especially with the limited manpower, I think we should avoid division as much as we can. What do you think?
Also, while the School:Linguistics was under Portal:Social Sciences, the Portal:Linguistics was categorized as a portal of Humanities. Amqui (discusscontribs) 16:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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Regarding streams, see Stream. It's not a particularly common usage of the term in my experience. Recommended sequence might be more clear. I support your approach to Humanities and Social Social Sciences. I came to similar conclusions when identifying the major subject Portals last year. We have many examples of things which fall under multiple major "containers" (schools, portals, categories). If including Linguistics makes sense to you and you're interested in putting in the effort, be bold! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I like School:Language Studies into which all the four current schools (School:Languages Studies, School:Language and Literature, School:Classics and School:Linguistics) would be merged. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 18:15, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Portals and other in the search[edit]

I do not know what is the background history about not having the portal, school and topic namespaces in the search, but from my newbie point of view I think they should be. For example, the Breton language was a recent featured resources and it is recognized as a quality learning resources, but when I search "Breton language", I find absolutely nothing, the resources being Portal:Breton. I see the main namespace as being as space for the educational content itself like the lessons and the portals/topics as being a "hub" page to organize all those resources and lessons about a subject/topic and present them to the readers in an well organized fashion. The portal themselves are not "learning resources", so they shouldn't be in the main namespace, but they are very useful to the readers, not only to the contributors as a working space, but they a way to present all the information available to the readers in a structured way. What do you think and what is the background story? Amqui (discusscontribs) 17:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Everything about Wikipedia:MediaWiki software and the wiki environment must be viewed from a Wikipedia perspective. It is designed to support users creating and reading (encyclopedia) content. The administrative aspects are tangents not directly related to the end-user focus of the software. One implication of that is that the search feature focuses on content rather than administration. Breton language content is currently at Breton. It should probably be renamed Breton language or Breton Language, since there is almost no Breton location content and almost all language and literature instead. I would ask whether Breton needs a portal. It averages less than one view per day. I would redirect Portal:Breton to Breton, incorporate any useful content into the Breton project itself, and move on. Content and portals attracting less than one view per day don't merit too much effort from my perspective. I'd much rather see us spend time on the content that generates tens or hundreds of views per day. I think WikiLang has the potential to do that. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:44, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Ok, my understanding was that the portal pages would be the starting point to start learning about each languages, but it should be a page in the main namespace that do that, with a link to the portal that will serve as a directory for all learning resources about that language. I will start implementing that approach then. Thanks, Amqui (discusscontribs) 18:58, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Portal Review is now available with statistics on portal content and usage. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:26, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Feedback[edit]

I would like some feedback on the lesson I just created: Mi'kmaq language, since it's my first one here on English Wikiversity. Thanks, Amqui (discusscontribs) 23:11, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I enjoyed reading through the lesson! My attempts at pronunciation fell short though. I usually have trouble with pronunciation guides that use phonemic characters. At least for me, an English word that's close helps, though I know some sounds require inflections an English speaker might not make. Spanish has several! Thanks for preparing the lesson! And, I have heard of the Micmac! If I may ask, do the Micmac have a word or phrase comparable to "dominant group"? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 16:45, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
I do not know, but I may ask around to my Micmac friends. I am not Micmac myself. Amqui (discusscontribs) 17:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Enable Labeled Section Transclusion[edit]

The Labeled Section Transclusion extension enables us to transclude sections rather than whole articles. I'd personally like this extension enabled so that I can transclude definitions from the formal glossary of philosophy to my first-order theory of causality. I'm sure many other users will find uses for this functionality. Should we request it? --Felipe (discusscontribs) 13:26, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

See Special:Version. mw:Extension:Labeled Section Transclusion is already installed. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:13, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Aw, my bad! Thanks... --Felipe (discusscontribs) 10:44, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

De-Recognition of Wikimedia Hong Kong[edit]

This is an update from the Wikimedia Affiliations Committee. Translations are available.

Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia mission.

The principal Wikimedia movement affiliate in the Hong Kong region is Wikimedia Hong Kong, a Wikimedia chapter recognized in 2008. As a result of Wikimedia Hong Kong’s long-standing non-compliance with reporting requirements, the Wikimedia Foundation and the Affiliations Committee have determined that Wikimedia Hong Kong’s status as a Wikimedia chapter will not be renewed after February 1, 2017.

If you have questions about what this means for the community members in your region or language areas, we have put together a basic FAQ. We also invite you to visit the main Wikimedia movement affiliates page for more information on currently active movement affiliates and more information on the Wikimedia movement affiliates system.

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Hi, there's a proposal to do an update of the Wikiversity logo at betawikiversity:Wikiversity:Babel#Update Wikiversity logo, check it out! --Felipe (discusscontribs) 21:12, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process[edit]

Note: Apologies for cross-posting and sending in English. Message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.

The Wikimedia movement is beginning a movement-wide strategy discussion, a process which will run throughout 2017. For 15 years, Wikimedians have worked together to build the largest free knowledge resource in human history. During this time, we've grown from a small group of editors to a diverse network of editors, developers, affiliates, readers, donors, and partners. Today, we are more than a group of websites. We are a movement rooted in values and a powerful vision: all knowledge for all people. As a movement, we have an opportunity to decide where we go from here.

This movement strategy discussion will focus on the future of our movement: where we want to go together, and what we want to achieve. We hope to design an inclusive process that makes space for everyone: editors, community leaders, affiliates, developers, readers, donors, technology platforms, institutional partners, and people we have yet to reach. There will be multiple ways to participate including on-wiki, in private spaces, and in-person meetings. You are warmly invited to join and make your voice heard.

The immediate goal is to have a strategic direction by Wikimania 2017 to help frame a discussion on how we work together toward that strategic direction.

Regular updates are being sent to the Wikimedia-l mailing list, and posted on Meta-Wiki. Beginning with this message, monthly reviews of these updates will be sent to this page as well. Sign up to receive future announcements and monthly highlights of strategy updates on your user talk page.

Here is a review of the updates that have been sent so far:

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Need advice from Wikiversians with computer skills[edit]

I write code in MATLAB and perhaps soon in PYTHON that creates wikitext for my exams in Quizbank. I would like to post that code on Wikiversity using the <pre>...</pre> tag. Unfortunately the code contains numerous usages of the <nowiki>...</nowiki> tag, which interferes with the markup whenever I attempt to post the my Quizbank-rendering programs on Wikiversity. I see three ways to do resolve this problem:

  1. Write a MATLAB/Python code that replaces all instances of > by &lt; (the latter renders as > to the reader). The contributor would paste the text into a Wikiveristy resource in "edit" mode, and the user could copy the rendered code from the "resource" window, and past it into a textfile or MATLAB edit window.
  2. Post the code directly into the "edit" page of a Wikiveristy page. It would be viewed from Wikiverity by clicking "edit".--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 15:57, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
  3. Find a host outside Wikiversity to host code text. The hosting service needs to be universally user-friendly to novices. The code would not be used by programmers, but by educational content people who might not be familiar with such services. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 15:57, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
I'd recommend the first option. The code then correctly displays on Wikiversity and can be copied and used directly. Note that this doesn't require a program. The source editor includes find and replace, and you could replace <nowiki> with &lt;nowiki&gt; quite easily. Requiring the user to edit in order to copy seems ripe for user error.
Putting the code somewhere else seems unnecessary. But there are one or two options. It is common to use Github for open source code sharing. That's a reasonable alternative. I personally use Bitbucket rather than Github, because Bitbucket allows private repositories for up to five users. This is more effective for student assignments, which I want to be private with only the student and instructor having access. Github is free for public use, but only has paid private options.
One other point on code highlighting. <pre> is generic. There is specific MATLAB And Python syntax highlighting available. See Computer Programming/Introduction/MATLAB and Computer Programming/Introduction/Python3 for examples.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:54, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I realized the first option was best when it occurred to me to just use the replace feature in Wikiversity's edit mode to replace <nowiki> by &lt;nowiki&gt; whenever it's required (most subroutines won't even need this)--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 20:42, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Does anybody know anything about the Python library "Wikipedia"?[edit]

I found a student with knowledge of Python that I hope to fund this summer to upgrade Quizbank. It might be convenient to use the Wikipedia python library. Does anybody know about it: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/wikipedia/ ???20:52, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@Guy vandegrift: You may have more luck posting on Wikipedia. I know that User:Dan Koehl is active at Wikispecies and has directed me to a Python solution before, so he may have some knowledge. —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Dear @Guy vandegrift, Koavf:, you may take a look here. (And I may as well, sounds interesting) Best regards, Dan Koehl (discusscontribs) 02:15, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

I must say though, that the documentation and instructions are very confusing; as to for what purpose is this, when and where to use it etc, Theres lins to download Wikipedia I get the feeling this is a tool to search through Wikipedia when downloaded on your own computer? Dan Koehl (discusscontribs) 02:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Use Pywikibot. Very well supported, and reasonably well documented. Note that our Pywikibot documentation is quite old. mw:Manual:Pywikibot is current. If anyone needs to learn Python first, see Computer Programming and Python Programming. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:50, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Poor transclusion at Wikiversity:Guided tour/Portal[edit]

I see that {{Portal:Humanities}} could not be well transcluded at Wikiversity:Guided tour/Portal. Not just there, but I previewed the transclusion here via editing page/tab and wonder whether it's broken or something. --George Ho (discusscontribs) 02:12, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: I'm working on it. Another good catch. —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:31, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
@George Ho: Actually, I don't think this will work due to the tab structure of this portal. We may have to choose a different solution... —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:41, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Abuse Filter for File Uploads[edit]

We're having problems with copyrighted media files being uploaded by users who are not participating or intending to participate at Wikiversity. See phab:T129845 for background information. I'd like to implement an abuse filter that would prevent file uploads by new users. The way new users are recognized by an abuse filter, this would prevent file uploads by anonymous IP users, and would prevent users who have fewer than a given number of edits from uploading files. Is there support for such a filter, or are there any objections? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:14, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I personally would want this to be considered later, not now, as it has only been two users (most likely of the same user). -Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 02:01, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Six user accounts, 21 files over the last five days. See [1]. My concern is not just the effort, but the storage. These files are anywhere from 1 to 10 MB. Deleting the file doesn't remove it from the database. It just hides it. Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:31, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: For what it's worth, you can get an Oversighter to delete them permanently--we don't have one here but a Steward could do it. Also, the problem of hosting another ~40 MB of files on these servers is really nothing. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:24, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

How to change font on Wikiversity?[edit]

This is for a project I have in real life (and I want to print it out). How do I change the font of my text when I'm writing.. let's say: I want to change to New Times Roman, how would I do so? ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 23:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

You would need to use inline CSS styling, such as in this example. The tags can be almost any tag, but <span>, <div>, or <p> would be most common. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process[edit]

Note: Apologies for cross-posting and sending in English. This message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.

As we mentioned last month, the Wikimedia movement is beginning a movement-wide strategy discussion, a process which will run throughout 2017. This movement strategy discussion will focus on the future of our movement: where we want to go together, and what we want to achieve.

Regular updates are being sent to the Wikimedia-l mailing list, and posted on Meta-Wiki. Each month, we are sending overviews of these updates to this page as well. Sign up to receive future announcements and monthly highlights of strategy updates on your user talk page.

Here is a overview of the updates that have been sent since our message last month:

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Debate censorship?[edit]

Is debate censorship occurring? If debate censorship is going to occur without prior discussion, I probably will not participate. See here. For anyone interested, a discussion of the potential censorship is taking place at Talk:Should suicide be legal?. Michael Ten (discusscontribs) 22:44, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

I responded there, cheers! --Felipe (discusscontribs) 23:04, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Upcoming changes[edit]

There are a lot of small changes happening in the next couple of weeks, and I wanted to give you all a quick heads-up about them. Please share this information with other people/languages/projects that will be interested:

  • There's a change to how columns in reference lists are handled, at the request of the German Wikipedia. This change will improve accessibility by automatically formatting long lists of <ref>s into columns, based on each reader's screen width.
    • What you need to do: Nothing visible is happening now. If your project uses the normal <references /> tag (or doesn't really use refs at all), then file a Phabricator task or just tell me, and I'll get your wiki on the list for the next config change. If your project uses a "reflist" template to create columns, then please consider deprecating it, or update the template to work with the new feature.
  • The label on the "Save changes" button will change on most projects tomorrow (Wednesday) to say "Publish page". This has been discussed for years, is supported by user research, and is meant to be clearer for new contributors. (Most of us who have been editing for years don't even look at the button any more, and we all already know that all of our changes can be seen by anyone on the internet, so this doesn't really affect us.)
    • If you have questions or encounter problems (e.g., a bad translation, problems fixing the documentation, etc.), then please tell me as soon as possible.
    • When we split "Save page" into "Save page" and "Save changes" last August, a couple of communities wondered whether a local label would be possible. (For example, the Chinese Wikipedia has some extra language on their "Save page" button; I think it's about the importance of previewing.) Whether the Legal team can agree to a change may depend upon the language/country involved, so please ask me first.
  • As part of the ongoing, years-long user-interface standardization project, the color and shape of the "Save changes" (or now "Publish page"), "Show preview" and "Show changes" buttons on some desktop wikitext editors will change. The buttons will be bigger and easier to find, and the "Save" button will be bright blue. (phab:T111088) Unfortunately, it is not technically possible to completely override this change and restore the appearance of the old buttons for either your account or an entire site.
  • Do you remember last April, when nobody could edit for about 30 minutes twice, because of some work that Technical Ops was doing on the servers? The same kind of planned maintenance is happening again. It's currently scheduled for Wednesday, April 19th and Wednesday, May 3rd. The time of day is unknown, but it will probably afternoon in Europe and morning in North America. This will be announced repeatedly, but please mark your calendars now.

That's everything on my mind at the moment, but I may have forgotten something. If you have questions (about this or any other WMF work), then please {{ping}} me, and I'll see what I can find out for you. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (discusscontribs) 18:50, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: Admin activity review[edit]

Hello. A policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc. ) was adopted by global community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing administrators' activity on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis with no inactivity policy. To the best of our knowledge, your wiki does not have a formal process for removing "advanced rights" from inactive accounts. This means that the stewards will take care of this according to the admin activity review.

We have determined that the following users meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no log actions for more than 2 years):

  1. Darklama (administrator)
  2. Geoff Plourde (administrator)
  3. Thenub314 (administrator)

These users will receive a notification soon, asking them to start a community discussion if they want to retain some or all of their rights. If the users do not respond, then their advanced rights will be removed by the stewards.

However, if you as a community would like to create your own activity review process superseding the global one, want to make another decision about these inactive rights holders, or already have a policy that we missed, then please notify the stewards on Meta-Wiki so that we know not to proceed with the rights review on your wiki. Thanks, Matiia (discusscontribs) 04:53, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Wiki 4 Coop[edit]

Hello everyone,

I come to you to invite to re-read the submission of a new partnership project between the Wikimedia movement and the Belgian NGOs. The project is titled Wiki 4 Coop and I invite you to discover its submission page on Meta-Wiki. Do not hesitate to endorse the project if you like it and even correct my English if you have a little time. A beautiful end of day for all of you, Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 11:37, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15)[edit]

05:09, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

A local page for this at Wikiversity:Wikimedia Strategy 2017 has been created, if you'd prefer to participate here instead of on Metawiki. Please let your fellow editors know, in the optimum locations for you. Looking forward to your input! :) Quiddity (WMF) (discusscontribs) 01:16, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

References and Reflist[edit]

With the most recent MediaWiki update, the <references /> tag dynamically generates references columns based on user screen size. The use of column width and column count in Template:Reflist/doc are now unnecessary, and counter-productive in terms of user experience.

I created a replacement {{References}} template that generates dynamic columns by default, and redirected Reflist to the new template. This approach was easier / safer than editing Reflist, and I didn't want to replace Reflist itself, since Wikipedia is still using the old version.

I tested several different reference uses, including those with groups, and they appear to all work correctly. As you view pages this week, let me know if you find any problems with references.

Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:46, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

User:RexxS has been working on the enwiki template. You may want to swipe what he's creating when he's done.
On a related point, do contributors here really need a template at all? We could change the settings to make plain old <references /> do that, and then you wouldn't need a new template (and to remember which one does what) to do that. Whatamidoing (WMF) (discusscontribs) 22:38, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): I find users are better at remembering how to use a template than they are at remembering how to enter extended tags. In other words, {{References}} is easier than <References /> for many users. Also, we do have a few pages that are using the additional options (group and ref). Could we clean them all up? Sure. But old habits are hard to break. As to why I did the template rather than have you change the default, it's often difficult to get a community response approving change here. It was easier, and faster, to just make the change and have a way to reverse it if it blew up. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)