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Research Namespace[edit]

There is a proposal to add a Research namespace (Research:) to Wikiversity. Please review and discuss. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:10, 31 March 2016 (UTC)


Dear all of you,

I'm a brand new curator and, while I'm fixing unused or empy categories, oldest pages, uncategorized pages, etc., I am particulary able to make a certain numbers of mistakes (despite Dave's mentoring).

So, please consider my contributions just as proposals and, if they are weird, absurd or just irrelevant, don't hesitate to correct them immediately, and, if you have time enough, to send me a little message (mostly you, Dave) so I could improve my curating skills.

Your reactions also help me knowing who is interested by what, so I could get acquainted with the active community.

Thanks a lot !

And all my excuses beforehand for my mistakes.

--Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 13:57, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

You're doing an excellent job! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 19:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Agree!--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 21:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks ! Smiley.svg --Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 23:12, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Community Review/Fair Use - Files Missing Information[edit]

There is a status update at Wikiversity:Community Review/Fair Use#Status Update regarding files missing license and/or source information. At this point, all files have been processed and have {{Information}} tags to be filled in, and all files have either a license tag, a fair use tag, or a {{No license}} tag. Users who have uploaded files with missing source information have been notified. Categories for files that need attention are listed under Category:Wikiversity maintenance. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:07, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

VisualEditor Default Setting[edit]

New user User:Jon michael swift has proposed at Wikiversity:Initial experiences#Jon michael swift that the VisualEditor be turned on by default for new users (an opt-out rather than opt-in option). What does the community think? Should this be for all users (logged-in and anonymous), logged-in only, or none? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:10, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I edit Wikiversity using two different browsers: Safari 5 which is not supported and Firefox 45 which is. It does not appear to be the case that users with unsupported browsers will not be able to edit with VisualEditor, is this generally true? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:31, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Background information on supported browsers is available at mw:VisualEditor/Target browser matrix.

Background information on which sister projects have Visual Editor on by default is available at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 04:00, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I think this is especially the question for those, who run here and plan to run courses with their students. Consider also, that in VE doesnt work all extensions we might be using here and it would be a big move for wv. Some methods of study and teachings were developed here especialy for wikicode.--Juandev (discusscontribs) 12:42, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Support VisualEditor on by Default for All Users[edit]

Support VisualEditor on by Default for Logged-In Users[edit]

Symbol support vote.svg Support It's not a big deal to me, but this would be my preference. I think that's how Wikipedia does it, so the concept has been well-tested.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 02:28, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Oppose VisualEditor on by Default[edit]

Server switch 2016[edit]

The Wikimedia Foundation will be testing its newest data center in Dallas. This will make sure Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to conduct a planned test. This test will show whether they can reliably switch from one data center to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

They will switch all traffic to the new data center on Tuesday, 19 April.
On Thursday, 21 April, they will switch back to the primary data center.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop during those two switches. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

  • You will not be able to edit for approximately 15 to 30 minutes on Tuesday, 19 April and Thursday, 21 April, starting at 14:00 UTC (15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 07:00 PDT).

If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

  • Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped.

Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.

  • There will be a code freeze for the week of 18 April.

No non-essential code deployments will take place.

This test was originally planned to take place on March 22. April 19th and 21st are the new dates. You can read the schedule at They will post any changes on that schedule. There will be more notifications about this. Please share this information with your community. /User:Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata: access to the data is coming[edit]

Hi everyone :)

A while ago you received access to the interwiki links from Wikidata. Everything seems to be going well so I'd like to move on to the second stage. You will get access to the actual data in Wikidata like the date of birth of a person. You'll be able to make use of them in your templates via Lua or a new parser function (#property). We'll be enabling this on May 3rd. I hope this will open up great new possibilities for you and make your work easier. If you have questions please come to d:Wikidata:Project chat or d:Wikidata:Wikiversity.

Cheers Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 09:35, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Curation of Upper Limb Orthotics[edit]

The curation of the course Upper Limb Orthotics has been completed. All cases are now available on the course page. Comments, criticisms, questions, and concerns are most welcome! Enjoy the course! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 04:53, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Great work !
And just a little point (only for chipotering Smiley.svg) : what do you think of putting the cases list on two columns ? --Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 08:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Good suggestion! I've put in some column dividers using colwidth=12em which actually creates three columns. Feel free to adjust to two if you think it looks better. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 13:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
On my screen, I get 6 colums (??), but don't worry, it's fine ! --Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 13:54, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:RC allows to filter the recent changes by category[edit]

Template:RC (inspired from the Wiktionary) displays one category pages evolution.

  1. Should we add it into a drop down menu?
  2. Would you be in favor of its deployment into every category?
  3. With {{CategoryTOC}}?

JackPotte (discusscontribs) 18:34, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure adding it as a drop-down provides value. I'm okay with it as a list. But I would like to see the list be shorter, and formatted more like our existing TOCright and Sidebar items. See right for an example. The idea behind shortening the list is that most brain studies show an ability to manage/grasp three to seven items. A list of 10 items, twice, is likely too much information. Formatting to match TOC and Sidebar provides a more consistent user interface. We could revise the code to provide the sort option as a parameter and add a count parameter to be more flexible. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:13, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Now also implemented as {{Category sidebar}} using Module:DynamicPageList. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:40, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I tried the two templates on Category:Music. {{Category sidebar}} is very interesting. I think {{CategoryTOC}} would be more efficient on categories which have more subcategories and pages. --Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 09:01, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Concerning your questions, JackPotte, IMHO :

  1. I don't know
  2. Yes
  3. Not systematically ; only on categories which have a lot of subcategories and pages.

--Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 09:09, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, and what about {{Book Search}} in every course category to limit the researches into it? JackPotte (discusscontribs) 17:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I really have no idea. Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 18:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata: data access is here[edit]

Massive deletion spree[edit]

It appears to me that User:Thierry613 is conducting an indiscriminate mass nomination. I am seeing a large number of PRODs placed by him on what appear to be perfectly good pages. I note in particular that he gives no reasons for those PRODs and I can't see any conceivable justification for the vast majority of them. Judging from the prevelance of his PRODs in the sample of all PRODs that I have looked at, I suspect he is responsible for the vast majority of the 837 PRODs outstanding (when I last looked). It looks as if he is systematically PRODing a large proportion of the pages he comes across, possibly most of them. It looks, in particular, as if he might possibly be trying to delete all topics, which is at odds with Wikiversity:Topics, which says that we are supposed to have them. At the rate he is going, I am apprehensive that he could soon delete most of the site. That would be extremely dangerous. A wiki of our very small size cannot survive Wikipedia-style deletionism. If we delete most of our content our traffic from search engines and interwiki links will plummet to almost nothing, and our volunteers will vote with their feet. I don't have the strength to check and remove hundreds of bad PRODs, nor to write out a list of hundreds of objectionable PRODs. I therefore feel that I have no choice but to state that I oppose all of his PRODs, since I infer the vast majority will be wrong, and I ask that he remove all of his PRODs himself. James500 (discusscontribs) 11:38, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Topic pages are not perfectly good pages. The namespace itself is defective, because it is not directly searchable and conflicts with the use of Topic: in MediaWiki software. The vast majority of Thierry613's proposed deletions are appropriate, but there are many that need to be moved or merged instead. To help determine which Topic: pages should be moved or merged, see Wikiversity:Topic Review, a sortable table of editors, length, subpages, and daily views. Thierry613 can't delete his own proposals, so the PRODs will remain until someone reviews them and either moves, merges, or deletes them. I don't have much time at the moment, but will later in June when most of the proposed deletions expire. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:44, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

(I was writing my response but Dave has been faster than me...)
I hope the following points will adress your concerns :
  • If I have deleted a page you were interested by, I'm very sorry.
  • A PROD means "proposed for deletion". As its name says, it is just a proposition. I don' want to impose anything.
  • It is also a manner to ask to the community : "Do you really think this page is relevant in the Wikiversity ?" And it's also a manner to know who is interested by a particular subject.
  • As a new curator, I can make a mistake as anybody can, and anybody is welcome to say me when I'm wrong.
  • About Topics, as it has appeared that they are not useful enough, so they are to be abandoned and I followed Dave's advices for transforming them in portals.
  • I rarely deleted directly a page, and even so, a deleted page can be restored, so there is no reason to worry.
  • I don't understand what you call "Wikipedia-style deletionism".
  • My goal is not deleting just for deleting. I try to clean what deserves to be cleaned. The goal is not having the greatest number of pages but having the most relevant and interesting ones (and the traffic will come). Unfortunately, there is a lot of work to do...
--Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 13:46, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Permit me to step in as a neutral party (in what seems to be a friendly and cordial discussion of policy). It is important that this "deletion spree" (or "spring cleaning"?) does no harm. Is the community of people with deletion powers small enought so that none of us engage in mass and indiscriminant deletions that will require later reivew? That is not a retorical question, but if the answer is yes (we can use PROD with little harm), we have time to start a discussion regarding long term plans.
I think all of us want a place where there is a lot more freedom than on Wikipedia, but where quality documents can be highlighted. That leaves a lot of room for various points of view, and that is why we need a forum that is focused on this important issue.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 14:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Guy, for your comment. Anyway, I can make a break, letting us time to discuss peacefully and decide what to do and how to do it. --Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 17:35, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

A new "Welcome" dialog[edit]

Hello everyone. This is a heads-up about a change which has just been announced in Tech News: Add the "welcome" dialog (with button to switch) to the wikitext editor.

In a nutshell, later this week this will provide a one-time "Welcome" message in the wikitext editor which explains that anyone can edit, and every improvement helps. The user can then start editing in the wikitext editor right away, or switch to the visual editor. (This is the equivalent of an already existing welcome message for visual editor users, which suggests the option to switch to the wikitext editor. If you have already seen this dialog in the visual editor, you will not see the new one in the wikitext editor.)

  • I want to make sure that, although users will see this dialog only once, they can read it in their language as much as possible. Please read the instructions if you can help with that.
  • I also want to underline that the dialog does not change in any way current site-wide and personal configurations of the visual editor. Nothing changes permanently for users who chose to hide the visual editor in their Preferences or for those who don't use it anyway, or for wikis where it's still a Beta Feature, or for wikis where certain groups of users don't get the visual editor tab, etc.
    • There is a slight chance that you see a few more questions than usual about the visual editor. Please refer people to the documentation or to the feedback page, and feel free to ping me if you have questions too!
  • Finally, I want to acknowledge that, while not everyone will see that dialog, many of you will; if you're reading this you are likely not the intended recipients of that one-time dialog, so you may be confused or annoyed by it—and if this is the case, I'm truly sorry about that. This message also avoids that you have to explain the same thing over and over again—just point to this section. Please feel free to cross-post this message at other venues on this wiki if you think it will help avoid that users feel caught by surprise by this change.

If you want to learn more, please see; if you have feedback or think you need to report a bug with the dialog, you can post in that task (or at if you prefer).

Thanks for your attention and happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 16:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Help for English check is welcome[edit]

Hi folks, I've just finished a essay with the title "Is anonymity for Wikipedia contributors desirable?". If some body want to check the English text form or post comment about substance on the talk page, he is very welcome ! Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 12:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)