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VisualEditor default for new users?[edit]

What are out current settings on whether VisualEditor is the default? I've had a few new users tell me that they've often had source editor seem to come up as their default editor unless they specifically change it. Therefore:

  1. Is it possible to make VisualEditor the default interface for new users?
  2. Would people like to activate this?
  3. Are there other useful VE settings options to consider?

T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I guess it depends on the users. People that edit/author learning resources with much workload to create mathematical formulas in LaTeX might prefer source editor in comparison to visual editor. I would recommend, that user answer a checkbox in the registration/login process if they prefer visual or source editor. The link includes a wikiversity link to help page, that shows/explains PROs and CONs of visual and source editor, so that new users can make sound decision about editor default settings.
But my opinion is not representative in the community --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 12:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Visual editing is still a beta feature (Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures). It is not on by default (mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts), and not widely adopted (1,500+ users at present). We have to request that it be enabled. The last time I tried, it only got one vote. People need to engage if we're going to improve the Wikiversity experience. And, if there's any support for this, I also recommend that we enable the mw: UploadWizard. Most file uploads to Wikiversity are deleted due to incomplete or improper licensing. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Definitely also agree with activating mw: UploadWizard. Uploading files to wikiversity is still pretty clunky, and I've found often trips up users that are used to commons or wikipedia. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 23:17, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

I've had a couple of additional new editors struggle with source editing (especially tables, example). Several have expressed frustration at the multiple steps required to find out that visualeditor exists and how to activate it. Is the request process particularly long? Does it need to be done here or over at MW? All wikijournal contributors who weren't already experienced wikipedians that I've spoken to have expressed a preference for visualeditor (especially for pages with tables and references). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Evolution and evolvability: See the item below on the Discussion Reply Tool. We have to have a discussion and vote. Once there is consensus, we submit a Phabricator ticket. How long it takes for that to be processed depends on who accepts the task and what's involved. Some things can take a week or two. Others have stalled out after months of waiting. Sometimes, we can ping someone and get it picked up again. But for now, we need a discussion and vote before we can initiate the ticket. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

We have a proposal to make the VisualEditor the default editor. We need to determine whether this is for all users or only for all logged-in users. Please discuss and vote. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Voting[edit]

  • Symbol support vote.svg Support making VisualEditor the default editor for all users. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support - experienced editors are experienced enough to switch to source code, but new editors find it challenging to work out how to switch to VE. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support - I know people struggle with the html so anything to make things easier Rwatson1955 (discusscontribs) 12:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support - What year are we in? Of course a visual editor should be the first thing anybody sees . . . we already have enough problems with attracting new editors, and having a clunky code editor as the first thing people see is not exactly welcoming. --- FULBERT (discusscontribs) 13:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support for the same reasons as Shafee - significantly more welcoming to new folks and not a problem for experienced editors Zeromonk (discusscontribs) 14:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support As a trainer (working mainly in Wikipedia) I've seen that VE can be really helpful in getting new editors on board, so supporting here for the same reason. Lirazelf (discusscontribs) 14:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support The VE is much less intimidating and may encourage more participation. Smvital (discussSmvital) 16:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support VE easier for newbies --Alaa :)..! 10:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support mainly because selecting the right tools is hard at first. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 22:09, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion Reply Tool[edit]

There is a new discussion reply tool. It automatically indents and signs replies. See Wikiversity:Newsletters/VisualEditor#Editing news 2020 #1 – Discussion tools for more information. If we want it enabled on Wikiversity, we need to request it. Please discuss and vote.

Discussion[edit]

  • CC User:Whatamidoing (WMF) --DannyS712 (discusscontribs) 21:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
  • I filed phab:T249785 to enable it here; I've stalled that task until this discussion is officially closed --DannyS712 (discusscontribs) 01:17, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
  • How would the average contributor revert vandalism or an admin do revision delete on these talk pages? --mikeu talk 18:53, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
    • You can test the user interface at [1]. The reply tool only engages when you click on Reply. Everything else appears to be standard (Edit, etc.). -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Given that there hasn't been any input in a while, and no opposition, unstalling and moving to deploy the change (i.e. active the tool) --DannyS712 (discusscontribs) 21:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
    Update: it is not being deployed to new wikis for now --DannyS712 (discusscontribs) 06:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
    I've got the English Wikiversity on my "short list". I still don't know when the next group will be officially chosen, but I will recommend you for the next group. Whatamidoing (WMF) (discusscontribs) 22:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Voting[edit]

  • Support enabling as a beta feature. I've tried it out a bit, and it would be helpful to have, even while its still being developed --DannyS712 (discusscontribs) 21:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, easy and user-friendly. Looks better than Structured Discussions extension. See mw:Talk pages project/replying#What did we find?. —Hasley talk 21:40, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak support I've never had a problem with talk pages (at least since the introduction of {{ping}}) but it seems like others want it so if nothing else, I'm willing to support the fact that others want to opt-in. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Support For sure! —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 00:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Support The reported tests seem promising. I'd be keen to see it implemented here, even if we reassess in 12 months based on how it affects new users. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 09:58, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support --Alaa :)..! 10:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Keen to join in the Wikiversity[edit]

Dear team,

May I join in the Wikiversity?. Please guide me.

Thank you

Tamil --109.78.232.225 (discuss) 08:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

We're happy to have you. Do you want to participate in English on this project or are you trying to work in Tamil on educational resources? —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:47, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

WikidataLab XXIII: Wiki-Education and Data Literacy[edit]

Wikidata Lab XXIII - en.pdf

Hi! Next Thursday (May 21st - 1pm - 7pm UTC) we'll have a WikidataLab, an online event that may interest you. This is the 23rd edition of this technical training that intends to explore the potentialities of Wikipedia and Wikidata integration. This time, the theme will be wiki-education and data literacy. The event is organized by Wiki Movement Brazil User Group and will be hosted by Shani Evenstein, in English. It consists on a webinar followed by a practical activity online. Join us! Here's the event page in which we'll provide the link for the live broadcast on YouTube and upload the resources for the activity. --EAzzellini (WMB) (discusscontribs) 13:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)