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"On résiste à l'invasion des armées; on ne résiste pas à l'invasion des idées." — Victor Hugo (discuss)


Template:RC allows to filter the recent changes by category[edit]

Template:RC (inspired from the Wiktionary) displays one category pages evolution.

  1. Should we add it into a drop down menu?
  2. Would you be in favor of its deployment into every category?
  3. With {{CategoryTOC}}?

JackPotte (discusscontribs) 18:34, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure adding it as a drop-down provides value. I'm okay with it as a list. But I would like to see the list be shorter, and formatted more like our existing TOCright and Sidebar items. See right for an example. The idea behind shortening the list is that most brain studies show an ability to manage/grasp three to seven items. A list of 10 items, twice, is likely too much information. Formatting to match TOC and Sidebar provides a more consistent user interface. We could revise the code to provide the sort option as a parameter and add a count parameter to be more flexible. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:13, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Now also implemented as {{Category sidebar}} using Module:DynamicPageList. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:40, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I tried the two templates on Category:Music. {{Category sidebar}} is very interesting. I think {{CategoryTOC}} would be more efficient on categories which have more subcategories and pages. --Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 09:01, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Concerning your questions, JackPotte, IMHO :

  1. I don't know
  2. Yes
  3. Not systematically ; only on categories which have a lot of subcategories and pages.

--Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 09:09, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, and what about {{Book Search}} in every course category to limit the researches into it? JackPotte (discusscontribs) 17:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I really have no idea. Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 18:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata: data access is here[edit]

Massive deletion spree[edit]

It appears to me that User:Thierry613 is conducting an indiscriminate mass nomination. I am seeing a large number of PRODs placed by him on what appear to be perfectly good pages. I note in particular that he gives no reasons for those PRODs and I can't see any conceivable justification for the vast majority of them. Judging from the prevelance of his PRODs in the sample of all PRODs that I have looked at, I suspect he is responsible for the vast majority of the 837 PRODs outstanding (when I last looked). It looks as if he is systematically PRODing a large proportion of the pages he comes across, possibly most of them. It looks, in particular, as if he might possibly be trying to delete all topics, which is at odds with Wikiversity:Topics, which says that we are supposed to have them. At the rate he is going, I am apprehensive that he could soon delete most of the site. That would be extremely dangerous. A wiki of our very small size cannot survive Wikipedia-style deletionism. If we delete most of our content our traffic from search engines and interwiki links will plummet to almost nothing, and our volunteers will vote with their feet. I don't have the strength to check and remove hundreds of bad PRODs, nor to write out a list of hundreds of objectionable PRODs. I therefore feel that I have no choice but to state that I oppose all of his PRODs, since I infer the vast majority will be wrong, and I ask that he remove all of his PRODs himself. James500 (discusscontribs) 11:38, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Topic pages are not perfectly good pages. The namespace itself is defective, because it is not directly searchable and conflicts with the use of Topic: in MediaWiki software. The vast majority of Thierry613's proposed deletions are appropriate, but there are many that need to be moved or merged instead. To help determine which Topic: pages should be moved or merged, see Wikiversity:Topic Review, a sortable table of editors, length, subpages, and daily views. Thierry613 can't delete his own proposals, so the PRODs will remain until someone reviews them and either moves, merges, or deletes them. I don't have much time at the moment, but will later in June when most of the proposed deletions expire. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:44, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


(I was writing my response but Dave has been faster than me...)
I hope the following points will adress your concerns :
  • If I have deleted a page you were interested by, I'm very sorry.
  • A PROD means "proposed for deletion". As its name says, it is just a proposition. I don' want to impose anything.
  • It is also a manner to ask to the community : "Do you really think this page is relevant in the Wikiversity ?" And it's also a manner to know who is interested by a particular subject.
  • As a new curator, I can make a mistake as anybody can, and anybody is welcome to say me when I'm wrong.
  • About Topics, as it has appeared that they are not useful enough, so they are to be abandoned and I followed Dave's advices for transforming them in portals.
  • I rarely deleted directly a page, and even so, a deleted page can be restored, so there is no reason to worry.
  • I don't understand what you call "Wikipedia-style deletionism".
  • My goal is not deleting just for deleting. I try to clean what deserves to be cleaned. The goal is not having the greatest number of pages but having the most relevant and interesting ones (and the traffic will come). Unfortunately, there is a lot of work to do...
--Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 13:46, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Permit me to step in as a neutral party (in what seems to be a friendly and cordial discussion of policy). It is important that this "deletion spree" (or "spring cleaning"?) does no harm. Is the community of people with deletion powers small enought so that none of us engage in mass and indiscriminant deletions that will require later reivew? That is not a retorical question, but if the answer is yes (we can use PROD with little harm), we have time to start a discussion regarding long term plans.
I think all of us want a place where there is a lot more freedom than on Wikipedia, but where quality documents can be highlighted. That leaves a lot of room for various points of view, and that is why we need a forum that is focused on this important issue.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 14:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Guy, for your comment. Anyway, I can make a break, letting us time to discuss peacefully and decide what to do and how to do it. --Thierry613 (discusscontribs) 17:35, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

A new "Welcome" dialog[edit]

Hello everyone. This is a heads-up about a change which has just been announced in Tech News: Add the "welcome" dialog (with button to switch) to the wikitext editor.

In a nutshell, later this week this will provide a one-time "Welcome" message in the wikitext editor which explains that anyone can edit, and every improvement helps. The user can then start editing in the wikitext editor right away, or switch to the visual editor. (This is the equivalent of an already existing welcome message for visual editor users, which suggests the option to switch to the wikitext editor. If you have already seen this dialog in the visual editor, you will not see the new one in the wikitext editor.)

  • I want to make sure that, although users will see this dialog only once, they can read it in their language as much as possible. Please read the instructions if you can help with that.
  • I also want to underline that the dialog does not change in any way current site-wide and personal configurations of the visual editor. Nothing changes permanently for users who chose to hide the visual editor in their Preferences or for those who don't use it anyway, or for wikis where it's still a Beta Feature, or for wikis where certain groups of users don't get the visual editor tab, etc.
    • There is a slight chance that you see a few more questions than usual about the visual editor. Please refer people to the documentation or to the feedback page, and feel free to ping me if you have questions too!
  • Finally, I want to acknowledge that, while not everyone will see that dialog, many of you will; if you're reading this you are likely not the intended recipients of that one-time dialog, so you may be confused or annoyed by it—and if this is the case, I'm truly sorry about that. This message also avoids that you have to explain the same thing over and over again—just point to this section. Please feel free to cross-post this message at other venues on this wiki if you think it will help avoid that users feel caught by surprise by this change.

If you want to learn more, please see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800; if you have feedback or think you need to report a bug with the dialog, you can post in that task (or at mediawiki.org if you prefer).

Thanks for your attention and happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 16:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Help for English check is welcome[edit]

Hi folks, I've just finished a essay with the title "Is anonymity for Wikipedia contributors desirable?". If some body want to check the English text form or post comment about substance on the talk page, he is very welcome ! Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 12:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Courses with no content[edit]

  • There are many courses that have no or very little content. Some of these should be completed, deleted, or at least fleshed out. Its just dishonest to show a course that really does not exist. Who else feels this way? Is there any consensus on any action? [User:AgentCachet] (discusscontribs) 04:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
    • Yes, I think there is agreement that we have many pages with little or no content, some of which were intended to be courses. All of them should be completed or deleted. You are welcome to complete those that interest you. You can add {{subst:prod}} to propose deletion of any that show little interest by others and little activity. Use Wikiversity:Statistics/2016/05 or View history / Page Views to determine interest, and View history to determine activity. Note that there is already an effort in place to review topics (Wikiversity:Topic Review), categories (Wikiversity:Category Review), and schools (Wikiversity:School Review). Please help wherever you can. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
    • I very strongly disagree with this. Just a basic syllabus/course outline with little to no actual content can still be extremely useful to both educators and students. Removing incomplete courses will do more harm than good to Wikiversity. I should also add that inactivity should never be a factor, since volunteers will come and go, and courses can always be finished in the indefinite future, whereas a deletion will only ensure that the course will never be completed. Another factor to consider is that having incomplete courses actually encourages more volunteers to contribute to Wikiversity since there is a clear need for contributions. Nicole Sharp (discusscontribs) 18:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

grading system[edit]

  • I think what might be helpful would be a Wikibooks-style grading system for courses, so that users can easily find courses by their level of completion. The lowest tier for a course would be same as the start of any college course, i.e. just a syllabus/outline. A simple outline can then be expanded section by section, until the sections/lessons become large enough to be their own courses, and then the course becomes a department, and so on. Nicole Sharp (discusscontribs) 19:31, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
See Category:Completed resources. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Just FYI but several of us use what we call dynamic courses or course structure. In short, it means the course is completed as found and is expanding as well as more resource material is added. Principles of radiation astronomy is a completed course but is not in the Category:Completed resources, for example. It is a complete semester style course for advanced undergraduates or graduate students, but undergoes changes with semesters. This fall has several lectures and laboratories replaced by newer ones. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

JavaScript[edit]

Hi. I can see that this project has old JavaScript that needs to be updated. I would happily make the required updates myself, but I would have to – at least temporarily – become an admin here to do that (because the relevant pages are in the MediaWiki namespace). I have already made these updates on a number of other projects, so it would be very easy for me to do this. If no one does anything, some JavaScript-related tools will break later this year. If you want me to make these updates, you can grant me admin rights and I will make the updates as soon as I can. Nirmos (discusscontribs) 22:06, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Please point to what needs to be updated and the code you have on another project that is already working. That will be an easier approach here. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Community support/vote to create the "autopatrolled", "patroller" usergroup[edit]

While we certainly need some policies to go along with this, creating a new usergroup for what we've been calling "probationary custodians" would really be a good idea. The usergroup should be defined as having exactly the same permissions as custodians, but allowing for local removal. Let's get it done. This usergroup could be assigned by current "full" custodians, and taken away by current "full" custodians. In other words: a custodian who has been approved by the community can give and take away access to the "buttons" that we use to solve problems on the wiki:

"Group rights for autopatrolled"

autopatrol

"Group rights for patroller"

autopatrol

patrol

rollback

User rights. 188.32.98.235 (discuss) 03:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

See Wikiversity:Curators. Autopatrolled isn't included, but so far there hasn't been anyone willing to patrol. Also note that probationary custodianship is no longer an option. Per WMF Legal, users may not have Undelete rights unless approved by the community. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
@Dave Braunscheig: autopatrolled, patrolled user group rights not yets on user rights not created. 188.32.98.235 (discuss) 06:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Not created. 188.32.99.5 (discuss) 11:33, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Two new errors on the "Rodger's method" entry[edit]

I have just noticed two errors that were not previously present. Both begin with "Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.")"

To my knowledge, no changes were made to the text, and I need some help to figure out what is causing these errors and how to fix them. Thanks.

HamiltonRoberts (discusscontribs) 20:23, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

On the More menu at the top of the page, there is an option to Purge. This forces the server to reprocess page rendering. That seems to resolve the issue. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:58, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Dave for your very quick and helpful response. I certainly wasn't expecting such an easy way to remove those two error messages! HamiltonRoberts (discusscontribs) 02:04, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

coursera and courses...[edit]

I came to know the coursera is removing their online courses. I read it here. It'd be cool to have those courses running here on wikiversity. I am not a computer geek or somthing like that. Just that, if it's possible, then it'd be great if some people could work on this. Also, it'd be lot cooler if wikiversity could work more on moocs. I don't know but I had heard moocs are also released on creative commons license. Just saying that adding other courses from other places'd make wikiversity great.

Thanks, if you read it. Cheers from Nepal. :) :) --Learnerktm (discusscontribs) 14:01, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know. Some MOOCs are licensed through Creative Commons, but they have to be found somewhere other than Coursera. Their site has an explicit copyright with all rights reserved. One of the Coursera courses I took is available elsewhere through a CC-BY-SA license, and I'm currently using that one to develop Python Programming. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:36, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Academic works translations needed before wikimania[edit]

Hi,

I've finished a French academic work named Ethical drift with in Wikimedia movement and I will finish soon a other one named For a better economic justice with in the Wikimedia movement. I would like to translate this two works in English before Wikimania for sharing the contain with the whole community and maybe inspire discussion during the week. I didn't have time and competence to do it my self before Wikimania. Is that in this forum any person who can help me, starting translation or pointing a place where I can found this kind of help ? Thanks in advance Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 15:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Google Translate does a surprisingly good job with both articles. Go with that and you probably don't need any additional assistance. Just read it through and make sure it still says what you intend. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:14, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
@Lionel Scheepmans: En Meta, avec Metawikie'ns francos: Category:Translators_fra-eng. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks,Dave Braunschweig and Justin I gone check this. Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 20:06, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok, never mine. I've found a trick system to present my works in english thanks to google : For a Fair Economy in the Wikimedia movement and Ethical Drifts in the Wikimedia movement. A nice day for every one. Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 21:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Compact Language Links enabled in this wiki today[edit]

Screenshot of Compact Language Links interlanguage list

Compact Language Links has been available as a beta-feature on all Wikimedia wikis since 2014. With compact language links enabled, users are shown a much shorter list of languages on the interlanguage link section of an article (see image). Based on several factors, this shorter list of languages is expected to be more relevant for them and valuable for finding similar content in a language known to them. More information about compact language links can be found in the documentation.

From today onwards, compact language links has been enabled as the default listing of interlanguage links on this wiki. However, using the button at the bottom, you will be able to see a longer list of all the languages the article has been written in. The setting for this compact list can be changed by using the checkbox under User Preferences -> Appearance -> Languages

The compact language links feature has been tested extensively by the Wikimedia Language team, which developed it. However, in case there are any problems or other feedback please let us know on the project talk page. It is to be noted that on some wikis the presence of an existing older gadget that was used for a similar purpose may cause an interference for compact language list. We would like to bring this to the attention of the admins of this wiki. Full details are on this phabricator ticket. Thank you. On behalf of the Wikimedia Language team:--Runab WMF (discusscontribs) 07:43, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Beta features Although it's nice to get new features and good that users have more options for display and such, it's not really that important when this project has the least interwiki options of any WMF project... —Justin (koavf)TCM 13:52, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
What interwiki options are there that we could have and do not have? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 00:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)