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"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution." — Albert Einstein (discuss)


Another gadget request: ReferenceTooltips[edit]

Thank you Dave for sorting out the necessary pages to get efn to work. In a similar theme, it will be great to activate the reference tooltip gadget here. Would it be possible to also import across:

and then add the line "ReferenceTooltips[ResourceLoader|default|type=general]|ReferenceTooltips.js|ReferenceTooltips.css" to v:MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition?

Based on discussions here and here. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 05:41, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree that this plug-in is very useful and already being used on en.wp with no complaints. It should be implemented as soon as possible. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Would you be able to import these across Dave Braunschweig? I realise I ask a lot of mediawiki favours! T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 13:16, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry I missed this request before. Now done. See Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets to enable. @User:Evolution and evolvability: Sure would be nice to have someone else who can help process these requests... -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you again! I've now submitted an application for Custodianship, to be able to do some of these things myself and only require assistance for bits that malfunction. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Perfect. Thanks guys. OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I have a Problem![edit]

I was trying to make a page giving lessons on the Taíno language but, when I tried to save it, it told me that I had passed the page limit for a new user! i don't know what to do?! It told me to ask an administrator but where do I find those! If anyone can help, HAHÕ! --Usa-ará (discusscontribs) 11:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't think your problem is a page limiet because I looked at Special:Contributions/Usa-ará and you haven't written any pages yet. You might have passed a time limit? Also, have you been blocked or reprimanded on another wiki? I see no evidence of that, but my skills in such matters are limited.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 12:49, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Your recent edits triggered Filters 15 & 16. Your edits were good! The filters may have been too broad. You should be able to continue. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 15:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Usa-ará: Welcome! Your enthusiasm exceeds the limits of new user accounts, and your wiki experience suggests that you may be using multiple accounts. What other user names do you edit by on Wikimedia? Regarding the addition of Taíno language resources, our structure is more like Wikibooks than Wikipedia. See Languages of South America/Taíno for the appropriate place for this content. Note that new user accounts are appropriately limited to give you time to learn your way around before creating resources inappropriately. Please let us know whenever you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:30, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I do have a Wikipedia account that goes by the name of Areitoyaya. I wanted to create a separate page so people can learn the Taíno language. I tried to follow the format of the Mapundungun Page. How many contributions would I need to do in order to stop being a new user.
@Usa-ará: The history on Wikipedia:Special:Contributions/Areitoyaya is also quite short. I'm trying to assume good faith, but your efforts are setting off some red flags. It's unusual for someone in their first week of wiki editing to have so much content and be in such a hurry to create extensive learning projects, without first learning about Wikiversity and our customs. It's also very unusual that multiple user accounts would be used for this on different Wikimedia projects. I encourage you to select one of these accounts as your primary account, and then redirect the other one and not use it anymore. See meta:Changing username if you wish to change your username.
It takes several days and a number of edits before accounts are auto-confirmed. In the mean time, please work on existing pages and learn more about Wikiversity through existing projects. I'm not sure Mapudungun language is a good example to follow. It's mostly duplication of Wikipedia content, something we try to avoid. Introduction to Swedish comes to mind as a featured resource on a language. Please start with Languages of South America/Taíno. It can be moved later as we learn more about the scope of your efforts and how they integrate with existing projects. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:27, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, sorry. I thought that I needed a new account in order to edit in Wikiversity. That's why I created the account. I guess I'll stick to be other one. Hahõ for the responses!

Update on page issues on mobile web[edit]

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Custodianship[edit]

Historically, Wikiversity followed a path of probationary custodianship. A one-month (or more) probationary period preceded a nomination for full custodianship. There were two problems with this approach, one process-based and one legal. The process problem is that only stewards are able to remove custodianship if the probationary period isn't successful. The legal problem is that custodians may view private deleted content, and the WMF no longer allows someone to view deleted content without community consensus. Probationary custodianship is no longer an option. I have updated Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship to reflect this reality.

The good news is that what prompted me to make this update is that we have a candidate for custodianship. Please share questions and comments and vote on Evolution and evolvability for full custodian.

Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:24, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Sharing Courses with Lots of Multimedia[edit]

I will be sharing online courses with lots of multimedia. The short question is: Is this appropriate for wikiversity and if so, how do I handle the multimedia part.

That part includes:

  1. Voice-Animated Power POints
  2. MPG Videos
  3. Starter Files for Laboratories and some homework assignments. This may be considered "software."
  4. HTML Five that I created with a bespoke Animator, Programmer's Presentation Presenter Web Site


The text part is currently in Docbook XML. Obviously, this would be converted to the wikiformat and uploaded to Wikiversity itself.

The MPG video obviously can be put on WikiMedia Commons. However, it is unclear what to do with the remaining artificats. Starter files for labs and homework assignments might be considered "software" which is obviously restricted from Wikimedia Commons. There are tools to convert the voice-animated Power POints to other formats usch as MPG video. (My University provided me with Camtasio Studio that can do this kind of work.) Those preparing derivative works would be best off starting from the Power Point!

A little history:

I have taught Visual Basic for over fifteen years at Western Illinois University in its Computer Science Department/School of Computer Sciences. At first this was conventionally. I created my text in DocBook xml, extensive homeworks, and of course the laboratory activities. The course was switched to Visual Studio. The class notes are now over 400 pages--I prepare a set for my University Bookstore to copy each semester for the students to purchase. (Also, I use a unique contract grading system and offer my students many homework assignments on each topic. I change these out regularly for the obvious reason. Thus, this upload will have an extensive series of exercises for the learner, course facilitator, or faculty member to choose.

Then, I was asked to teach it online. Then, I developed the videos and voice-animated Power points.

Also, I taught an introductory programming course using C++. It was intended for scientists and engineers. In fact, the course titile was Programming for Scientists and Engineers. Again, I started teaching it conventionally. Then, the School of Computer Sciences decided to offer it online. For this I developed the above Programmer Presentation system. Another programmer added the ability to voice animate the presentation. It generates HTML Five with embedded audio. I have many program presentations recorded using this tool. Of course, for this course, as well I have a class notes of about two hundred pages--originally prepared with Docbook .xml

As these are the courses for which I prepared for online presentation, they have the most material. This century, all the courses I taught, I wrote my own class-notes/textbook. (Exception: those courses that were multi-section courses, for which I was specifically mandated to teach using a commercial textbook.) Most courses in the last century, I also prepared my own courses. I recently prepared for the nice library faculty member who spearheads open access at my University, four pages listing all that I prepared online.

I asked that library faculty member about hosting the material that I Prepared on the University Library servers (we do have archives of faculty publications). That is not possible. There are other services besides Wikiversity for faculty members to disseminate their online courses. They include OpenStax, Merlot and the Open Textbook Library. Unfortunately, for these three, the materials themselves are put on the faculty member institution's Institutional Repository. TheThey host only the links to the materials.

--Doctorleff (discusscontribs) 19:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Doctorleff: Welcome! Thank you for considering using Wikiversity to share your courses. There are several choices available. Wikiversity is better for courses. Wikibooks is better for textbooks. OpenStax CNX is an option, but I haven't been happy with the user interface. Rebus Community is using Pressbooks, and I'm currently working on a Programming Fundamentals title on Rebus that will be announced this week. Merlot doesn't seem to be a good alternative. Open Textbook Library works if you want to share but also limit collaboration.
File uploads to Wikiversity are possible, but data formats are limited. See Special:Upload for supported file types. If you want students to access source code file by file, pages can be created here. If you want them to download or clone the information instead, a public git repository may be a better choice. I use Bitbucket with students, and Github for public, open content.
One more option is a public course. Blackboard, Canvas, and Moodle all have free public servers available for MOOCs. Google Sites supports free websites. There are other free website options available as well. And YouTube will host videos for free.
The best way to answer your question may depend on your goals. If you are looking to share textbook content, the Open Textbook Library may be the best option. If you want collaboration and to support reuse, Wikibooks or Wikiversity may be better. Whatever you choose, add a link to Merlot, and if you host elsewhere, create at least a course overview and provide links here. Let us know how we can help.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Space between title and content[edit]

For some reason, the space between the title of the pages and the content seems to have disappeared. This seems to be an issue specific to this Wikiversity (it doesn't happen in Wikipedia or the Spanish Wikiversity) so maybe there's a bad rule in MediaWiki:Common.css or similar. I searched a bit but didn't find any such rule. Anyone knows what may be the cause? --Felipe (discusscontribs) 04:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't see anything obvious. There haven't been any MediaWiki css changes that I'm aware of. A new version of the MediaWiki software was just installed. Perhaps that changed something. Interestingly, the spacing only seems to be an issue on main pages. Subpages appear to have proper spacing. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 23:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Are articles about books allowed on Wikiversity?[edit]

Hi, I've edited before on Wikipedia and wanted to write an extended article about Socratic Logic by Peter Kreeft, but realised Wikiversity is the more appropriate place for it. However when I went to create the article, with the wiki-code from the link above, I got a warning message that it wasn't allowed and I'd be blocked if I tried again. So I was wondering, was it the formatting, the links to Wikipedia, my status as a new user on Wikiversity or a policy about book articles that was the problem? Also, more generally, are articles about books relevant to courses allowed on Wikiversity? Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 08:47, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@Lukeisham: Welcome to Wikiversity! New users are limited to creating articles without external links, and also on creating new pages in general, to give them time to learn more about Wikiversity's structure and approach before creating too much content that might not be appropriate. I've pulled your contribution from the log and added it at Socratic Logic (textbook). Note that Wikiversity isn't intended to be a duplication of other Wikimedia projects. See What is Wikiversity? and What Wikiversity is not. We want to go beyond content and create learning resources that allow users to engage in learning (learn by doing). If you are creating this page to eventually move it back to Wikipedia, keep going as is. If you want it to remain here, think about how users will engage with the textbook or the subject of Socratic logic more generally. What can users do to understand and apply this content? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:42, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Dave that answers my question. --Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 22:36, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

How long does the New User restrictions last?[edit]

How long do the New User restrictions last for? (Is it similar to Wikipedia?) - Time or number of edits? --Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 06:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@Lukeisham: autoconfirmed status depends on both time and number of edits. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:02, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Dave. --Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 23:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Portal Template[edit]

Where is the code for a blank template for a portal? --Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 00:45, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Lukeisham: I'm not sure there is one. If I were to create a new portal, I would probably start with a copy of Portal:Anthropology or something similar. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:28, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
I just found it then! Make a portal, you should add it to the Help:Contents page. --Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 01:36, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

How do I fix a "Template loop detected" error?[edit]

I created an infobox and got a "Template loop detected". How do I fix that type of error? --Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 01:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Don't create a template that calls that template. Also, when you have an error, provide a link to the page generating the error so others can play along. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Mediawiki JavaScript and CSS Editor Role[edit]

See meta:Creation of separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS. A new role is being added to the Mediawiki software to limit who can edit Mediawiki: .js and .css pages. No one will have this role by default. Bureaucrats will be able to add the role to someone based on community consensus. Due to security concerns, anyone with this role should have the same level of trust as a custodian or higher. We have two to three weeks to come up with an approach to assigning this new role. How does the community want to address this? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:08, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposed Approaches[edit]

  1. Custodians or bureaucrats who request the role?
  2. Custodians, bureaucrats, or curators who request the role?
  3. Either of the above only after community discussion and consensus?
  4. Anyone who requests the role only after community discussion and consensus?
  5. Other?

Discussion[edit]

  • 1:Custodians or bureaucrats who request the role (Assuming that they will be given the role after community discussion and consensus.) --Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 03:13, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Per 1 above, I have entered or modified code in MediaWiki:Common.css about once a year on an as needed basis and would like to continue to have that option. I recently updated Wikiversity:Support staff for the most recent activity window. We have three currently active curators, three currently active custodians, but only two currently active bureaucrats. Keeping the current status seems to be working fine. Only two custodians have or are likely to need to enter or modify code: myself and Evolution and evolvability. Security concerns are minimal. My password is as strong as allowed. A security breach at Myspace allowed release of a no longer used password with no effect anywhere. Someone tried to use it to access Wikipedia twice and failed both times.
  • Per 2 above, specifically curators, unless one expresses interest, the current situation is working. The short-term availability of our other two bureaucrats and apparent lack of experience suggests no need for access to .js or .css.
  • Per 3, 4 & 5 above, if anyone with an extensive .js or .css experience can update these, community consensus and consideration would be a good idea on a contingency basis. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 17:31, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Users Interested in Having This Role[edit]

Is this where we discuss your nomination? --Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 03:13, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
@Lukeisham: You voted for option 1, which has no discussion. Did you want to change your vote? Separately, I think we need to wait and see how the community wants to approach the approval process before discussing individual nominations to avoid unnecessary effort. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:20, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS[edit]

Unfortunate Sequence leading to Automatic Harmful Action Accusations[edit]

I will give a list of things I did to lead my actions to being considered "harmful":

  • Created the category Tibeto-Burman Languages
  • Attempted to add Portal:Róng for a minority language (Róng/Lepcha)
  • Linked to an example of a possible font to use because most fonts do not include Róng characters (not the best idea– people could find one on their own)

This lead me to be automatically labelled as harmful for the following reasons: New user exceeded new page limit and New user created page with external links. After this, it asked me to contact an administrator if I thought what I was doing was constructive, and this is what I am trying to do. Thank you for reading this. --Otvm (discusscontribs) 18:26, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Otvm: Welcome to Wikiversity! I looked through your logs and see that you are a newbie, so welcome to the WMF, as well. Somebody with a more extensive knowledge of our wikis should verify whether what I am about to tell you actually true, but I saw nothing in your logs that is likely to damage your reputation. My first edit on Wikipedia was far more destructive: I deleted everything in an article except an equation that I wanted to copy and paste into a student handout, not realizing that the "edit" would appear on the wiki. I didn't know I had a talk page, so I repeated the action a few times before someone finally caught my attention. I'm sure someone with more knowledge of such things will respond here, but till then: Welcome! If you have any questions do not hesitate to contact me on my talk ("discuss") page--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 20:25, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
@Otvm: Welcome! Your enthusiasm is appreciated, but Wikiversity abuse filters are configured to encourage users to learn more about Wikiversity before they create too many new pages. Please continue participating and learning about our community. You'll be able to add new pages after a few days and a few more edits to existing pages. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:34, 15 July 2018 (UTC)