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Open call for Project Grants[edit]

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Greetings! The Project Grants program is accepting proposals from July 1st to August 2nd to fund new tools, research, offline outreach (including editathon series, workshops, etc), online organizing (including contests), and other experiments that enhance the work of Wikimedia volunteers. Whether you need a small or large amount of funds, Project Grants can support you and your team’s project development time in addition to project expenses such as materials, travel, and rental space.

Also accepting candidates to join the Project Grants Committee through July 15.

With thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) 15:21, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: Admin activity review[edit]

Hello. A new policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc) was adopted by global community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing administrators' activity on smaller wikis. To the best of our knowledge, your wiki does not have a formal process for removing "advanced rights" from inactive accounts. This means that the stewards will take care of this according to the admin activity review.

We have determined that the following users meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no log actions for more than 2 years):

  1. Countrymike (administrator)

These users will receive a notification soon, asking them to start a community discussion if they want to retain some or all of their rights. If the users do not respond, then their advanced rights will be removed by the stewards.

However, if you as a community would like to create your own activity review process superseding the global one, want to make another decision about these inactive rights holders, or already have a policy that we missed, then please notify the stewards on Meta-Wiki so that we know not to proceed with the rights review on your wiki. Thanks, Rschen7754 02:10, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Does the community have any interest in creating a local policy? If we were to change it, I personally would advocate for a policy requiring some type of actual administrative activity on an annual basis. From Wikiversity:Staff, that would mean that User:Countrymike, User:Darklama, User:Geoff Plourde, User:HappyCamper, User:Juandev, User:MichaelBillington, User:SB Johnny, User:Thenub314, and User:WiseWoman would need to participate administratively somehow to maintain their role. Please note that I am not trying to remove rights from anyone. Quite the contrary, I'd like to have users with administrative rights participate more often in support of that effort. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:14, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
If persons are not using their rights, then there is no problem, is there? --WiseWoman (discusscontribs) 21:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
There are at least two problems with custodians not using their rights. First, Wikiversity:Support staff is somewhat misleading, in that users looking for support are given the impression that we have 19 people available to help them, when realistically there are only five or so who are regularly active, and even fewer who actually use their rights on a regular basis. Second is the workload left to those who are active. Please participate! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:50, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
To complement the aforementioned analysis of the disadvantages of custodians not losing rights, we need to consider the consequences of doing the opposite. How long would it take for a custodian to regain their rights if the sole reason for losing them is inactivity. Perhaps we maintain a list of such people so that these rights could be restored in a day or two?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:12, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Rights can be restored as quickly as a bureaucrat responds. We currently have one semi-active bureaucrat. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:56, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Then to answer your question, I see no reason to have a different local policy.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 03:10, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
And does the restoration follow the policies? Could it be restored even 6 months after?--Juandev (discusscontribs) 15:16, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what meta's restore policy is, but it would seem to me that a request to restore rights to resume custodian activities could be approved without additional discussion, unless the bureaucrat had concerns and wanted community approval first. Time since active wouldn't matter. The desire to be active again would be more important from my perspective. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:44, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Another source for people-powered research[edit]

See here This platform provides opportunities for individuals to engage in first-hand research and it has an overlapping mission with Wikiversity. Maybe we can collaborate? Co-host material? Does anyone have thoughts? —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

I have looked at the site and worked through one of their Mars exercises. It was fun and informative. At the least I could add urls to the site for others to enjoy. I'm not sure if they have direct computer access that allows dynamic calculations or not. If so they may be interested in hosting programming courses that so far we would need to go to the tool labs to try. I haven't made any direct contact with anyone there as yet. Perhaps you'd like to give it a shot? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:06, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Grant submission for OpenCon 2016[edit]

Here is a links to the grant page. All the best Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 11:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikiversity survey[edit]

Hello Everybody, I'm a French student and I'm currently writing a dissertation about Wikiversity's interface design and community. I need Wikiversity editors' input to complete a short 19-question survey in English. All in all it will benefit the WV community and help promote it. I 'd like to thank you for your help, (link below to access survey) https://www.sondageonline.fr/s/questionnaire-wikiversite

--PlymouthCad (discusscontribs) 18:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I have taken the survey. My apologies if I have done something wrong in the survey. Thanks! ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 22:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I want to learn French[edit]

--129.45.95.68 (discuss) 22:19, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Welcome! See Portal:French and DuoLingo. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:23, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Translate Category: into Bulgarian[edit]

Hi :-). I'm new here, but not quite new to Wikipedia. Still I could not find where to translate Category: to Категория: so that the Bulgarian language editors can use their own language for categories. Same goes for Template: to Шаблон:. The question was first raised on my talk page on my homewiki by User:Luchibsl1, who thought that an experienced Wikipedian would know :). --Лорд Бъмбъри (discusscontribs) 19:23, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

You might try asking this at Wikidata. Wikidata has taken responsibility for language translation. They may be able to tell you how that applies to categories. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:31, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Alternative names for Wikiversity Journal[edit]

Hi everyone,

Wikiversity Journal of Medicine may change its name in a not too far future. I'd appreciate further ideas and comments on possible names for the project: Wikiversity Journal/Future as separate Wikimedia project.

Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 20:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Conversational English as a Second/Foreign Language MOOC[edit]

Hi! I have decided for the third sequence of my MOOC on conversational American English I would use Wikiversity as the platform. I am excited to see how this experiment goes! Feel free to take and look and share any feedback!!

The course is named ENG 099.

--Charles Jeffrey Danoff (discusscontribs) 04:50, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

It looks like you're off to a great start! Note that Wikiversity: Naming conventions avoid the use of course numbers in titles. It would be best to move the page to American English, or American English I, or similar, and leave ENG 099 as a redirect. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:07, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Dave Braunschweig!! Thanks for the quick feedback! The naming convention makes total sense! Would you mind if I switched it over after the course completes in September? I like having the URL end in eng099 for student distribution. If we did the redirect they would have to click an additional link, right? Please share your thoughts! :) ... Also, do you have any advice for formatting/aligning the course to best fit into other ESL materials here? -- Charles Jeffrey Danoff (discusscontribs) 04:54, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
A move with redirect will automatically redirect users to the new page. You can do it now or wait until September if you wish. ESL isn't my area of expertise, but I have noticed that the ESL materials need a "big picture" redesign so there is some coherence across the many pages. My recommendation would be to think through your own design, and then look at how to merge/include the other materials in your vision rather than try to include your vision with the others. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice, Dave Braunschweig! I will consider the design of the ESL materials and how my work can fit therein and/or how it can better be adjusted to reflect my work and others! I think Wikiversity is a logical space for a "center" of ESL materials and links across the web, I appreciate your advice! :) Note, over 100 students registered thus far and 8 sent in their week 1 homework on time. Good start, I believe! I'm happy the course layout here appears to be working. :) -- Charles Jeffrey Danoff (discusscontribs) 08:21, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Is this the right place? (Regional educational resources)[edit]

I am part of a homeschooling community. As families make the choice to homeschool, they have many, many questions, and there are many, many answers. I have been thinking about how to have an always up-to-date, crowd-edited list of answers, including resources like: - local support groups - state or national organizations - local educational cooperatives - charter, online, or correspondence schools

I am envisioning a homeschool portal with subcategories for states, then regions. Obviously, a wiki is the ideal format, but the question is where to host it. Is this type of content appropriate at wikiversity?

--2602:306:CDAB:F640:2C98:EC2C:FA0B:7EFC (discuss) 22:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Most of what you are proposing would be welcome here. The only concern I see so far is in the charter, online, or correspondence schools. Those schools typically don't "set learning free", and pages with links like that often become promotional rather than educational. Care would need to be taken to ensure that part of the project has a learning focus. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:01, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. I hope to get this started soon, and your feedback about the schools is helpful. Sixteenkats (discusscontribs) 06:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

This seems quite interesting. I'd be willing to see how this goes. ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 19:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Save/Publish[edit]

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

I really like this, it's good to know that this will be implemented. Cheers! ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 20:28, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Email[edit]

I recently asked our email server to notify me when any resource on my Watchlist has been changed. My email address has been confirmed but I am still not receiving these notifications. Anyone have a suggestion or idea why the emails are not being sent. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 01:08, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I recently received email from ""Wikiversity" <wiki@wikimedia.org>" stating "A page you created was linked on Wikiversity" on "Sunday, August 7, 2016 11:45 AM". --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 01:15, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
  1. Before sending an email test, my preferences stated: "Your email address was confirmed on 11 August 2016 at 16:35."
  2. I sent a test email to another Wikiversity user with the message: "This is a test of the email server."
  3. I checked the box to send myself a copy.
  4. I received "Your email message has been sent."
  5. After sending the email, I received this under Preferences:
  6. "Your email address is not yet confirmed. No email will be sent for any of the following features."
  7. On the line below this is "Confirm your email address". By clicking on this link, then inserting the coded link into my browser, either one, the cycle starts over at number one above.
Suggestions, comments, your own tests to confirm would be much appreciated. I believe this needs a Phabricator fix. Please confirm. I do receive messages like the one dated "Sunday, August 7, 2016 11:45 AM". --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:33, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Add withJS, withCSS and withModule parameters[edit]

Hi, I'd like to add the code below to MediaWiki:Common.js so that new gadgets can be demoed without the user having to enable them. The code is standard throughout Wikipedia and other Wikimedia wikis, it was taken from mw:Snippets/Load JS and CSS by URL. I have the necessary permissions to add it myself, and I think it can do no harm, but because I'm new in the English Wikiversity I'd like to announce it first. Anyone agrees? Anyone objects? Thanks! --Felipe (discusscontribs) 22:35, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

/**
 * @source https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Snippets/Load_JS_and_CSS_by_URL
 * @revision 2016-03-26
 */
mw.loader.using( ['mediawiki.util', 'mediawiki.notify'], function () {
	var extraCSS = mw.util.getParamValue( 'withCSS' ),
		extraJS = mw.util.getParamValue( 'withJS' ),
		extraModule = mw.util.getParamValue( 'withModule' );

	if ( extraCSS ) {
		if ( /^MediaWiki:[^&<>=%#]*\.css$/.test( extraCSS ) ) {
			mw.loader.load( '/w/index.php?title=' + extraCSS + '&action=raw&ctype=text/css', 'text/css' );
		} else {
			mw.notify( 'Only pages from the MediaWiki namespace are allowed.', { title: 'Invalid withCSS value' } );
		}
	}

	if ( extraJS ) {
		if ( /^MediaWiki:[^&<>=%#]*\.js$/.test( extraJS ) ) {
			mw.loader.load( '/w/index.php?title=' + extraJS + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' );
		} else {
			mw.notify( 'Only pages from the MediaWiki namespace are allowed.', { title: 'Invalid withJS value' } );
		}
	}

	if ( extraModule ) {
		if ( /^ext\.gadget\.[^,\|]+$/.test( extraModule ) ) {
			mw.loader.load( extraModule );
		} else {
			mw.notify( 'Only gadget modules are allowed.', { title: 'Invalid withModule value' } );
		}
	}
} );
I don't have any objections. The code itself is fine. The only issues would be whatever it tries to load, and that should also be standard mw content. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:59, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Also support adding it (see also link to en.wp usage). --Michael Billington (talkcontribs) 12:22, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Who uses Wikiversity?[edit]

Any research? In a thread above, I mentioned another people-powered online research community. I reached out to collaborate and the person who responded asked a very germane question which I hadn't yet: who uses Wikiversity data? To put a finer point on it, I specifically referred her to the Bloom clock project and she asked if anyone has used this for any purpose. Does anyone know? Do we have data on who uses this site and how? —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

  • No idea. (Sorry, that's not much help is it?) I've always been fascinated by Wikiversity, but never really used it for very much. The first serious thing I've seen happen here for a while (and it could just be because I'm not looking hard enough, so apologies to the cool projects I've ignored) is the Wikiversity Journal of Medicine. That seems like a pretty great endevour.

    One thing that I think could help get more usage here is to encourage learning blogs in userspace here. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 00:29, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Classmates of mine use Wikiversity. I've always loved the idea of having notes on the web, without having stacks of paper that can easily be gone (I'm not good with keep track of stuff, heh). ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Linking to youtube videos in a course?[edit]

Hi, I would like to start a pre-school curriculum. However, I would really like to link youtube videos as part of the curriculum. I realise that the vast majority of these videos are not free/open licensed. Unfortunately there are almost no free and open source videos/songs for children. I haven't even been able to find a freely licensed version of the alphabet song!

I searched through the archives and found this discussion about it from 2007: Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/February_2007#Youtube-versity

The discussion didn't seem to come to any conclusion and it has been almost a decade so I thought the question was worth asking again (forgive me if I missed any other more recent discussions!)

Mvolz (discusscontribs) 16:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

You can link to YouTube videos. Since Wikiversity is only hosting the link, not the content, the licensing issues are diminished. When I post these, I still try to link to videos that are not heavily advertising-supported, and I don't link to any that I know are copyright violations posted by someone other than the original author / publisher. That works in my field. I'm not sure what you'll find for preschool materials. Is it possible to link out to PBS videos and materials as an alternative? (Not sure, as I haven't researched what PBS makes available.) -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Software/extension to increase functionality of courses[edit]

Hi,

Is Extension:Quiz the only extension used specifically for Wikiversity? Has there been any discussion/work on any other extensions? I would really like to have the ability to "assign" work and then mark it as complete. So a user could be able to "subscribe" to a course, and then perhaps have a way of marking each subpage in the course complete, to keep track of progress through the course. Thoughts about how best to do this or what would comprise a good minimally valuable extension are welcome. (And also if anyone is interested in helping build it!)

Mvolz (discusscontribs) 16:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

What about your students adding the course to their watchlist? ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 17:09, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

There is also a MOOC extension loaded here. The challenge with marking off content is where that data is stored. You could do it with a client-side cookie, but that only helps the user. To accumulate the server-side data, you need a place to store individual results. Perhaps a user page? You might also ask over at Wikidata and see if that's something that could be stored in the Wikidata database. The users with the most experience on add-ins are User:Renepick and User:Sebschlicht. Check with them if you get to the point where you want to do development on this. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

We have just received a grant to redo the development of the mooc extension as a real media wiki extension and not just as a bunch of lua scripts as well as css and js files which are stored as wikipages. Then we can also extend the database and build more complex processes. there is a stub of a wikipage describing this project: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MOOC feel free to ask User:Sebschlicht who will be leading the development. -- Renepick (discusscontribs) 07:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
@Mvolz: @Renepick: FYI, I am currently working on software that converts the quiz extension that will allow a sort of open source testbank. The idea is to store quizzes on Wikiversity that can also be stored on an instructors server in order to create randomized exams for classroom use. For problems with random numbers, the software writes a long list of identical problems with different numerical values. It's still very much in beta-stage, but Special:Permalink/1589813 contains an example. For a listing of the entire bank, see Quizbank/Entire_bank. I have been loosely involved with so-called "education reform" for several decades, but the only idea that ever excited me was the w:Flipped classroom, which differs from previous ideas in that it is based on technology. I believe that someday, all courses will have a preliminary stage where students are required to demonstrate mastery of basic vocabulary and analytic methods before the instruction begins. This reform could essentially cut the cost of education in half, since it is my observation that instructors spend close to half of their time reviewing basic material and introducing facts that students should be capapble of mastering on thier own.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 21:24, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Aims and Objectives[edit]

I was looking at a page recently and I noticed that the objective was stated in this way:

The aim of this course is to teach the basics of fantastic topic

Without wishing to reduce the issue to jargon, this objective is not learner centered. A lot of educators nowadays would say that an objective would be better stated in this sort of way:

After completing the course, participants will be able to...

The next thing I saw was that another objective was stated as

You will understand important topic

And a lot of educators would be concerned that this objective as stated isn't behavioural and perhaps not easily measurable (I stress, **as stated**). They might prefer

You will be able to explain these things about important topic

And perhaps even set a standard and a condition:

so that a beginner could do X, without any reference books

I am aware that this might be an obsession of trainers/teachers, but I wonder if we could encourage a culture of specifying *learning* rather than teaching objectives and of making objectives behaviourable and at least observable if not measurable?

--Jimbotyson (discusscontribs) 10:37, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

This is certainly a recommended best practice from a course design standpoint. It is consistent with the best resource I know on how to write learning objectives, at http://archive.tlt.psu.edu/learningdesign/objectives/writing.html . But it also may be too restrictive or too proscriptive for new content developers, particularly those who don't have experience in course design. How would you propose making the transition from a teaching perspective to a learner-centered perspective? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:05, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikiversity as Virtual University[edit]

Hi Guys, I am a beginning programmer and to be honest I find the Wikiversity format quite hard to begin with and I believe it is the reason why there are less wikiversity users. I would like to contribute on the engine and how things are done around, if I am allowed to. Where should I begin with? Thank you, Ronit.ramdam

--Ronit.ramdam (discusscontribs) 11:30, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Contribute wherever you like. Since you are interested in programming, you might start with one of the computer or programming courses. By the way, which courses / formats have you tried so far? There are multiple course styles here, some more effective than others. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 11:49, 24 August 2016 (UTC)