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"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution." — Albert Einstein (discuss)

Is soliciting donations in linked pages allowed?[edit]

Once I linked from a Wikiversity page to my project page which contained among other a link to page accepting PayPal.

I was required by somebody to make the PayPal donations page not (indirectly) linked from Wikiversity saying something about "no soliciting".

Today I searching Wikiversity for "no soliciting" and found no such rule.

So, can a Wikiversity page link to a page with "Donate" link?

--VictorPorton (discusscontribs) 11:09, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@VictorPorton: No, a Wikiversity page cannot link to a "Donate" link. See Wikiversity:External links. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: I am not going to put a "donate" link on a Wikiversity page. I want to link to a project page which in turn links to a donate page. Wikiversity:External links seems to say nothing about this issue. --VictorPorton (discusscontribs) 18:53, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
@VictorPorton: External links does address this. It describes the type of content and the value that content must provide in order to be linked. An exception would be if the recipient of the Donate link on that page is you. In that case, it is a conflict of interest and not appropriate. As an alternative, if you own the content, you can post it here and eliminate the need for linking. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:37, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Dave on this. There are plenty of places where Dontate Links are allowed. Let's not let Wikiversity be one of those. If the policy on this is not clear, then we need to make it clear.Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 21:46, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I disagree with Guy and Dave. Traditional universities offer a path for people to increase the comforts in their life. This wiki should be no different. Spam and promotion to the detriment of others should rightly be not allowed. Self promotion which is mutually beneficial to both teachers and learners (and researchers and learners) should be allowed. Of course, policies and guidelines on this wiki should be respected. That does not mean that they should not be changed through a new consensus that could motivate real exponential growth in the amount of useful/educational content on this wiki. Michael Ten (discusscontribs) 23:26, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
@Michael Ten: This isn't just Wikiversity policy, it's Wikimedia policy. See wmf:Terms of Use. Users may not solicit for any promotional or commercial purpose not explicitly approved by the Wikimedia Foundation. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:05, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


Birgit Müller (WMDE) 14:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Bot moved lots of content pages to draft namespace? OK? Good? Not helpful?[edit]

The Draft namespace had a lot of pages from the main namespace moved to it by MaintenanceBot. Was this intentional? It seems a lot of the pages that were in the main namespace seemed just fine in the main namespace. Is it the consensus that these are better moved to draft namespace? Should most or all of them be bulk moved back into the main namespace? What do you think?

"(MaintenanceBot moved page Art to Draft:Art without leaving a redirect: Per Wikiversity:Requests for Deletion#Main Page "Lectures")"

Cheers and have a great weekend! Michael Ten (discusscontribs) 23:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

See Wikiversity:Requests for Deletion#Main Page "Lectures". The pages were not fine as main space pages. Their presence and approach prevented participation rather than encouraging it. The pages could be cleaned up and used as subpages of appropriate learning projects, but so far no one has been interested in doing that cleanup work. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
FYI: see Wikiversity talk:Requests for Deletion#Draft ns discussion. These moves were not voluntary and do not have consensus. Feel free to add your opinion! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 17:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Marshallsumter You called everyone possible to the discussion a month ago. It's closed, over, done. It's time to accept that the community has agreed that the pages were not suitable as main page landing pages. Rather than continuing to tilt at this windmill, I would encourage you to step back and consider why there was consensus to move these pages, and how future editing efforts might be improved to avoid similar discussions and outcomes in the future. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:43, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Just FYI: On 3 January 2018 the site notice stated: "Discuss and vote on Main Page "Lectures" request." On 4-13 January 2018, the site notice stated: "Discuss and vote on Main Page "Lectures"." On 13-15 January 2018, the site notice stated: "Discuss and vote on Draft Namespace." --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 14:54, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler[edit]

I want to start a page on him if possible. thanks. -- (discuss) 17:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Subpages for Template namespace[edit]

It seems common sense that the Template namespace should have subpages enabled, so that documentation subpages are not counted as templates. If no one opposes, I'll request the change in Phabricator, cheers! --Felipe (discusscontribs) 12:51, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sophivorus: Can you give an example of where this count is noted and what the impact is? Yes, it would be common sense not to count /doc pages as templates, but there are also many templates that have template subpages. Template:Subpages is one example. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:58, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

MathML rendering not working on some pages[edit]

Duplicate record detection, for instance, is showing UNIQ tokens instead of the rendered data they refer to. e.g. "UNIQ--postMath-00000014-QINU". Is this a known issue? It seems possibly related to T127738. -- Sehrgut (discusscontribs) 16:19, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sehrgut: I corrected Duplicate record detection. It's an error related to Lua processing of citations. See User:Dave Braunschweig/sandbox for a reproducible example. Feel free to create a Phabricator request based on the example. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:37, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Boubaker Polynomials/Wikipedia/SPI[edit]

My homewiki is the English Wikipedia, so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but Boubaker Polynomials/Wikipedia/SPI seems to misplaced in mainspace. Is someone able to relocate it as appropriate? TheDragonFire (discusscontribs) 15:42, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Done (on May 30). -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Importing Template:efn from Wikipedia[edit]

I'm attempting to import the template {{efn}} from Wikipedia, but I'm getting the error:

Import failed: A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading? Query: INSERT IGNORE INTO `page` (page_namespace,page_title,page_restrictions,page_is_redirect,page_is_new,page_random,page_touched,page_latest,page_len) VALUES ('10','Efn-lr','','0','1','0.873740892682','20180527065343','0','0') Function: WikiPage::insertOn Error: 1205 Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (

The inline link displays the text "lower-alpha 1" in stead of the letter "a". Any ideas how to copy over the missing database? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 07:12, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Importing pages...
Page "MediaWiki:Cite link label group-lower-alpha" was not imported because you are not allowed to edit it.
Import failed: No pages to import.
part of the issue may be that I don't have the authority to import w:MediaWiki:Cite link label group-lower-alpha and w:MediaWiki:Cite link label group-lower-greek? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 08:18, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

@Evolution and evolvability: The lock wait timeout sometimes comes up when you import all revisions. When that happens, try importing just the most recent revision. I've imported the two MediaWiki pages. Note that custodians can import these pages. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge... -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:00, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Heh, I'll look into custodianship (though I want to have a few more months of error-free contributing before I gain more power to break things accidentally)! I'll have another go at importing the templates. You can see whether it's working at this page. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 23:03, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Closer! The only remaining error is that the {{efn-lr}} still inserts the inline ref "[lower-roman 1]" in stead of "[i]". T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 06:01, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
You need to make sure that all of the following six pages exist:
At the moment, only two of them are present. --Redrose64 (discusscontribs) 14:20, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
YesY Done -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:44, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Another gadget request: ReferenceTooltips[edit]

Thank you Dave for sorting out the necessary pages to get efn to work. In a similar theme, ti;'s be great to activate the reference tooltip gadget here. Would it be possible to also import across:

and then add the line "ReferenceTooltips[ResourceLoader|default|type=general]|ReferenceTooltips.js|ReferenceTooltips.css" to v:MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition?

Based on discussions here and here. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 05:41, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree that this plug-in is very useful and already being used on en.wp with no complaints. It should be implemented as soon as possible. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Would you be able to import these across Dave Braunschweig? I realise I ask a lot of mediawiki favours! T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 13:16, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry I missed this request before. Now done. See Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets to enable. @User:Evolution and evolvability: Sure would be nice to have someone else who can help process these requests... -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you again! I've now submitted an application for Custodianship, to be able to do some of these things myself and only require assistance for bits that malfunction. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Perfect. Thanks guys. OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I have a Problem![edit]

I was trying to make a page giving lessons on the Taíno language but, when I tried to save it, it told me that I had passed the page limit for a new user! i don't know what to do?! It told me to ask an administrator but where do I find those! If anyone can help, HAHÕ! --Usa-ará (discusscontribs) 11:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't think your problem is a page limiet because I looked at Special:Contributions/Usa-ará and you haven't written any pages yet. You might have passed a time limit? Also, have you been blocked or reprimanded on another wiki? I see no evidence of that, but my skills in such matters are limited.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 12:49, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Your recent edits triggered Filters 15 & 16. Your edits were good! The filters may have been too broad. You should be able to continue. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 15:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Usa-ará: Welcome! Your enthusiasm exceeds the limits of new user accounts, and your wiki experience suggests that you may be using multiple accounts. What other user names do you edit by on Wikimedia? Regarding the addition of Taíno language resources, our structure is more like Wikibooks than Wikipedia. See Languages of South America/Taíno for the appropriate place for this content. Note that new user accounts are appropriately limited to give you time to learn your way around before creating resources inappropriately. Please let us know whenever you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:30, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I do have a Wikipedia account that goes by the name of Areitoyaya. I wanted to create a separate page so people can learn the Taíno language. I tried to follow the format of the Mapundungun Page. How many contributions would I need to do in order to stop being a new user.
@Usa-ará: The history on Wikipedia:Special:Contributions/Areitoyaya is also quite short. I'm trying to assume good faith, but your efforts are setting off some red flags. It's unusual for someone in their first week of wiki editing to have so much content and be in such a hurry to create extensive learning projects, without first learning about Wikiversity and our customs. It's also very unusual that multiple user accounts would be used for this on different Wikimedia projects. I encourage you to select one of these accounts as your primary account, and then redirect the other one and not use it anymore. See meta:Changing username if you wish to change your username.
It takes several days and a number of edits before accounts are auto-confirmed. In the mean time, please work on existing pages and learn more about Wikiversity through existing projects. I'm not sure Mapudungun language is a good example to follow. It's mostly duplication of Wikipedia content, something we try to avoid. Introduction to Swedish comes to mind as a featured resource on a language. Please start with Languages of South America/Taíno. It can be moved later as we learn more about the scope of your efforts and how they integrate with existing projects. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:27, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, sorry. I thought that I needed a new account in order to edit in Wikiversity. That's why I created the account. I guess I'll stick to be other one. Hahõ for the responses!

Update on page issues on mobile web[edit]

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


Historically, Wikiversity followed a path of probationary custodianship. A one-month (or more) probationary period preceded a nomination for full custodianship. There were two problems with this approach, one process-based and one legal. The process problem is that only stewards are able to remove custodianship if the probationary period isn't successful. The legal problem is that custodians may view private deleted content, and the WMF no longer allows someone to view deleted content without community consensus. Probationary custodianship is no longer an option. I have updated Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship to reflect this reality.

The good news is that what prompted me to make this update is that we have a candidate for custodianship. Please share questions and comments and vote on Evolution and evolvability for full custodian.

Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:24, 16 June 2018 (UTC)