Talk:WikiJournal User Group

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Which posts to boost?[edit]

I have now received the grant money for the budget of 2018. I have paid the Crossref membership, and will pay for the domain names when it's time to do so.

Also, our request for an additional $400 to promote key posts (especially on Facebook) was also granted. Those Facebook pages are located at:

Now, which posts are we interested in boosting? Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 20:17, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

I'd guess the best use of promoting funds would be to boost posts about new content. That would be my first priority. Penny Richards (discusscontribs) 20:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
The WikiJournal of Humanities doesn't have a first issue yet, so I think it would make sense to boost a call for papers. The concept is a little difficult to understand at first so I would emphasize how academics can get published for greatly improving Wikipedia. Rachel Helps (BYU) (discusscontribs) 16:04, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
I agree. This is something we understand, but there are many out there to whom this is something new. Do we have a quick and concise primer to share about writing an article for a Wiki Journal - maybe directed to the unaware, non-wiki folks, or even non-believers? Perhaps that would be something good to share on social media. Jackiekoerner (discusscontribs) 18:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

WikiJournal User Group top menu[edit]

Since we've been gathering WikiJournal-wide materials, (bylaws and ethics statement etc) I thought I'd make a menu bar to gather the relevant links together. There are also the sister project proposal and user group description page on meta. There are still some limitations with having some of the relevant pages on meta and some on wikiversty, but overall it's relatively functional. Let me know if you have ideas for formatting, or which pages should be linked or omitted. I've gone with something that looks very similar to the formatting for the journals, but we could alternatively make it distinct. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 13:22, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Great work T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)! The next page I'd like to have as a common template is the editorial guidelines, but I have no time to do it myself in a near future. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 10:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I've made a start at WikiJournal User Group/Editorial guidelines. I'll notify again once it's finished and ready for use. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Great start, Thomas! I took the liberty to add the changes to the guidelines made at WikiJMed since March 12, and making it the official WikiJMed guidelines (so as to avoid contradictions between those two). Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 14:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Finished. Should all work and stay unified from WikiJournal User Group/Editorial guidelines. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 06:33, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Comparison to and competition with other open-access journals[edit]

I browsed other journals, like Wiley, OMICS International, and Elsevier, whose content is released under various Creative Commons licenses. Moreover, I've downloaded a few PDF documents into Wikimedia Commons. I'm thinking how WikiJournal is different from other journals in several (if not many) ways, like open peer review, having a MediawWiki sotftware, licensing, and so on. How would WikiJournal fare, compared to other open-access journals? Would WJ attract many academics? Would academics go to other journals, especially ones whose licenses are a little bit more strict than CC BY? Can WikiJournal compete against other journals? If you like, I would describe more how WikiJournal is different from other open-access journals. --George Ho (discusscontribs) 09:01, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

I think indeed that would be an interesting page, perhaps as a subpage of meta:WikiJournal User Group. Please let me know if you have a draft ready, and I can then help revising it. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 10:40, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree. It's an interesting niche. I wrote a bit about some of the emerging ideas for this paper. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts, since I'm giving a talk on the topic to the AOASG in a few weeks. In academia, I think CC-BY is still the most often used of the creative commons licenses. One thing that's been interesting is that publishing material that's previously appeared in Wikipedia forces use of the extremely uncommon CC-BY-SA which joutnals are often reluctant to use. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:10, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I created WikiJournal User Group/Comparison to other journals as a rough draft. Please feel free to contribute. --George Ho (discusscontribs) 08:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Good overview! I made some changes at the licensing section. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 14:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment and the changes. :) I also added the lead and some more examples. Maybe I'll add in another table to list more publishers. By the way, if WikiJournal is established as a stand-alone project and becomes more successful, the most affected will be (I predict) OMICS International, PeerJ, and PLOS due to publishing costs, but I'm unsure whether authors would be concerned about peer review transparency. Nonetheless, WikiJournal publishes articles for free, so the three are all I can think about. --George Ho (discusscontribs) 16:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Adding "Preferred journal" to the authorship declaration form[edit]

I've added "Preferred journal to the authorship declaration form, since it makes it easier for us to know which journal should initiate the processing of the article. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 11:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Version control and peer review[edit]

When inviting someone to write a review on a submitted article, we give a link to the submission's page. However, the submission is not frozen, and can be edited. This could be confusing to the reviewer. I can see two possibilities to address the issue:

  • Send to the potential reviewer a permalink to a particular version. The reviewer works on that version. If the submission changes by the time the review is written, the authors and editors have to sort out the mess.
  • Have a more interactive way of doing peer review, where the reviewer is expected to follow the submission's evolution, and maybe to do some small modifications herself. (For example, fixing typos rather than listing them.) To do this we need the reviewer to have an account. If the reviewer is anonymous, maybe we can create a temporary pseudonymous account for her.

Ideally both options would be available to reviewers. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 13:42, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

A disadvantage with the first point is that a second reviewer would perform redundant work, in commenting on issues that have already been amended by comments from the first reviewer. For the second point, I find it interesting to allow peer reviewers to make minor edits, so it probably warrants a specific discussion: Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 15:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, the first option may lead to redundant work, but this is what happens with traditional journals, and this option probably needs to be available for reviewers who are not at ease in the wiki environment. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 20:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Allowing peer reviewers to make minor edits[edit]

I do think it's a good idea to allow peer reviewers to make typos and grammar errors, as long as it doesn't change the meaning of the text. This should preferably be done using a wiki account that is clearly stated to be from them at the Discussion page. Peer reviewers can be informed about these options at Peer reviewer guidelines, including the ability to use the "View history" tab at top to track differences in versions. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 15:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Then how do we do this in practice? Two options:
* The editor creates an account and sends the password to the reviewer. Advantages: less work for the reviewer, easy identification of wiki account, standard user name for reviewers. But is this allowed?
* The reviewer creates the account (or uses an existing account), and informs the editor.
Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 20:24, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
My understanding is that the only rule is that you can't have multiple people use the same account, but one person can create an account for someone else. We could therefore make accounts like User:Reviewer-94198 to hand out. The only issue would be the minor additional editor work. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:27, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Importing peer reviews[edit]

Hello all WikiJournal participants,

There's been an interesting conversation in the editorial board of WikiJournal of Science of a case where an article had previously been submitted to another journal, received peer reviews, gotten declined, and now submitted to WikiJournal. Points raised include that the reputability of that other journal can be taken into account in accepting their peer reviews, and it seems unethical to omit important comments previously raised. Yet, we cannot ignore our peer reviewer criteria. It seems we need to know the identity of the peer reviewers in order to make this judgement. I think this is further necessitated by the fact that we may want to complement the peer review, and we'd risk asking the same reviewer a second time if we don't know the identity of the reviewer.

I've made a section at Editorial_guidelines#Importing_reviews (template currently adapted for WikiJournal of Medicine but which should be up for the other journals as well in a near future) with the text: "In case a work has already undergone a peer review by another journal or reviewing service, that peer review can be accepted by WikiJournal of Medicine if the peer reviewer criteria are met. This requires that the editorial board gets to know the identity of the peer reviewer, and that the reviewer agrees to have it published under creative commons license (CC BY-SA). External peer reviews that do not fulfill these criteria should still be uploaded if possible, but do not count to the minimum of 2 independent peer reviews for each article."

Feel free to suggest further edits to this. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 14:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)