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Budget update

As an update, the grant committee responded that the total sum we can request has to be below $2,000 even including our $400 remaining from last year, so I had to propose it again with only $1,000 for a technical editor. Still, we can submit another rapid grants request if we find we need more funds for that purpose. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 21:23, 18 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

XML generation

So far only a handful of articles have their XML header data posted (example). This is largely because it's an additional non-intuitive manual step upon generating the doi via the crossref webdeposit form.

I've now managed to implement a template that will automatically create the XML data straight from the info already listed in the article page. The right hand side of any article that does not yet have XML data deposited, will now include a "Deposit" link that generates the XML header when clicked. (For those interested in the workings, this is by substitution of the new {{subst:Article_XML}} template).

Eventually, I would like to have the entire text of each article also presented in a full JATS-compliant XML format (examples), but currently I can't see how to achieve that. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 15:06, 31 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo). This was long needed. Keep up good work. Diptanshu 💬 16:03, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Plan S RfC

The Plan S open-access initiative is requesting feedback about itself on questions that may be of interest to people here:

Feedback is open until the 8th of February.

The plan launched in September and has a large proportion of European research funders and a couple of US ones onside; if you are affiliated with a research funder, they might want to look into it. The best comment on Plan S I've heard so far comes from Elsevier (which doesn't really like the financial transparency provisions, for starters). An Elsevier spokesman said "If you think that information should be free of charge, go to Wikipedia" ("Als je vindt dat informatie gratis moet zijn: ga naar Wikipedia"). I'm not sure if he knew about the journals here.

Is there a good place to point academics who want to ga-naar-Wikipedia? I'm thinking of a how-to for people unfamiliar with wiki authoring who want to collaboratively edit a paper here (whether they eventually publish it here or elsewhere). Or on starting an open lab notebook here, or posting a post-print to Wikisource. Our metadata could make that last very findable, if properly formatted with Template:Article info (which, oddly, does not seem to exist on WikiSource). If there is no such resource, where would be a good place to put it? HLHJ (discusscontribs) 22:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks HLHJ - that's very interesting. I'd heard about Plan S, but not that they were inviting feedback. I'll start a communal draft below to be posted on 7 Feb 2019. The comment from this article is pretty telling as to their view of both open access and of Wikipedia. I think that for general advice for academics who want to ga naar Wikipedia, good starting points are probably but I'd be intersted in other's thoughts:
I agree with your idea that people could collaboratively edit a paper here for subsequent submission elsewhere. I actually hope that at some point we will see WikiJournal Preprints used for exactly that. Having said that, there are many features of e.g. BioRxiv that are hard/impossible to implement in MediaWiki, (e.g. submission assistance). I've actually not thought at all about WikiSource do you know how it handles metadata? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 10:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wrote a lot of w:WP:Wikipedia editing for research scientists, thanks ; I have updated the bit about the markup, please let me know of anything else that is outdated. Maybe I need to write a new how-to. I have added some Plan S feedback; it has turned out a bit first-person, so I've mentioned that, as not disclosing a personal interest while complaining about COI disclosure seems a bit ironic. I hope others will edit it extensively and make it more general and less rambling. Should probably ping DGG. See Wikidata:WikiProject Source MetaData and m:WikiCite for Wikidata formats; I don't know what Wikisource does about academic articles. I've posted to Wikisource:Scriptorium#Plan S for free content: feedback request. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 05:52, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikimedia is a research funder; has it considered joining Plan S? HLHJ (discusscontribs) 22:47, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Really interesting question. Ping Tbayer (WMF) who might know the best person within the WMF to contact. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 23:37, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That might depend on the exact manner of involvement people have in mind, but as a first stop you could try the contact options listed at . Note that WMF already has an open access policy concerning research that it directly supports. Regards, Tbayer (WMF) (discusscontribs) 01:09, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, Tbayer (WMF). I was thinking of WMF making an institutional statement of support; I'm not sure if it could also become a coalition member. From the policy you link to, it seems as if Plan S is a good match for existing policy, meaning that WMF might have valuable experience to share. I'm thinking you might well know who would be best to ask for contributions, in the discussion below or through other channels? HLHJ (discusscontribs) 01:43, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I've realized that the above looks as if I'm missing the point. The contact options provided are off-wiki and non-pseudoanonymous; would you be willing to pass it on a quick note, something like "Could WMF please consider making an institutional statement of support" of Plan S, as it seems to be well-aligned with its existing research and data policies?", as you see fit? HLHJ (discusscontribs) 03:03, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The deadline is tommorrow at 15:00 UTC. Please make any more comments soon. Tbayer (WMF), I'll be on before then, and we can prepare this for submission. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 16:17, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, meant to ping T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo). HLHJ (discusscontribs) 00:03, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@HLHJ: Since the final deadline is in the middle of the (UTC+11) would you be happy to do the final submission to the form? I can help with anything that comes up 8:00-10:00 UTC. For long comments, or where there is a discussion, it might be useful to shorten/summarise for the feedback form to aid readability (link to section). What do you think? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 00:07, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
T.Shafee, I can be around to submit. I think shorten/summarizing/proofreading would be an excellent idea. I'm not very good at doing that for text I've written myself, so I'd appreciate any help, but I'll have a quick go, though I should warn you that I have an upcoming commitment in half an hour. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 01:57, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
T.Shafee, I tried a dry run on the form, and it's not working for me. I could submit to the e-mail address at This would probably work. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 02:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
T.Shafee, I've done a draft summary. Please feel free to edit radically. I will submit by e-mail if I don't hear back. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 02:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@HLHJ: Perfect! I've done a little copy-editing and added one extra point about Wikidata. I'll upload summary to the form in 1 hr (seems to be working for me). If you'd be happy to email the contents (espec. if there are any last changes after I submit the form) then we'll make sure they definitely receive it one way or the other. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:06, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Submission done by form (Response ID: 2192). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:36, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Brilliant, thank you, T.Shafee. In the meanwhile, I got a response from Plan S saying e-mail submission would work. I was intending to add that extended-discussion link; thank you for doing that. And of course I should have mentioned Wikidata, and possibly WikiCite; good catch. I think I should have mentioned Open Journal Systems and WikiJournals, too, under barriers to entry. I failed to proofread the APC line... ah well, it's decent, and they can always check back here for details, and click the "edit" tab and post here if they want more detail. I hope they will. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 13:37, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Q1) Is there anything unclear or are there issues that have not been addressed by the guidance document?

Q2) Are there other mechanisms or requirements funders should consider to foster full and immediate Open Access to research outputs?

Machine-readable COI and erratum metadata

Please give us machine-readable COI disclosures as metadata. Deliberate attempts to influence the academic literature for profit are a significant problem for Wikipedia. Traditionally, such papers were meant to influence academics. As open access becomes more common, the general public becomes a larger, softer target for misinformation. We may see more questionable journal papers promoting dubious ideas on behalf of those who profit from them. Left unchecked, this could seriously harm the public's trust in and willingness to fund academia, worsening the problem.

The lack of machine-readable open data on COIs causes significant harm. In the biomedical field, misplaced trust in research papers has killed people; it would be an interesting epidemiological exercise to estimate how many. In other fields, such as climate science, there are also substantial incentives to distort the research literature, and significant negative consequences for misinformation.

The problems I describe below mostly reflect situations I have personally seen as a Wikipedia editor; see also the Wikipedia article on "Conflicts of interest in academic publishing", which I wrote partially as an effort to understand and help resolve these problems.

It is currently sometimes hard to determine if a source is a genuine independent academic article, or a "native advertisement" (for instance, an article-shaped thing in a paid "supplement" to a journal, which has been reviewed by editors chosen by the supplement sponsor). This can be problematic. Thousands of Wikipedia articles currently cite these article-shaped ads, because they look like solid research; it would be easy to commission papers to appear to meet Wikipedia's "reliable sources" guidelines and its more stringent medical sources guidelines. As an example, a Wikipedia article averaging 2-3 thousand views a day cited, for information on dietary health risks, a paper for which the lead author, editor, and director of the funding organization were the same person. The funding organization got its money from industry groups producing products which it was describing as not causing a health harm.[1] Only the author is specified in the standard machine-readable metadata, so such problems can currently only be discovered by trawling through the articles by hand; even then, it's easy to miss, as COIs are usually declared in a non-obvious manner if at all. I've done some of this trawling; it is a slow, tedious, and sisyphean task, and I prefer to put my effort into automating it.

Machine-readable disclosures would make it possible to automatically screen for and statistically analyze systemic biasses in the academic literature, for new and historical data. While some details of COI declarations will probably remain so idiosyncratic that they cannot be expressed in a standard format, most declarations are quite stereotyped, and can even be automatically text-mined [2]. The machine-readability need not be complex in order to be usable; just ORCID-like IDs for all funders (as in "Recommended additional criteria"), and funding amounts and restrictions, would be useful. All funders should also be required to declare their funding, to avoid front organizations.

Papers and supplements to journals need machine-readable COIs, but so do journals themselves. It has become increasingly easy to start a journal, meaning many more unfamiliar journals. Anything like the "Australasian" fake journals should be instantly identifiable by its machine-readable COI declaration. The journals run by the American Society for Nutrition have been criticized for taking money from sugar producers and soft-drink manufacturers; they do issue conflict of interest declarations (including for members of the editorial board), but these are not machine-readable or visible when reading individual papers. COIs are also created by other sources of revenue, such as ads. Some COIs will be eliminated by open access (does anyone buy post-prints of open-access journals? if so, each paper should contain metadata declaring how many post-prints were bought, and by whom). It is not reasonable for journals and journal editors to hold authors to higher standards than they impose upon themselves. They, too, should declare their funding sources and other COIs in a machine-readable format.

There are many clever ways to make promotion look like independent evidence. Attempts to enforce transparency will therefore have loopholes. It must therefore also be possible for third parties to report causes for concern (including undeclared COIs, ambiguities, errors, and causes for retractions). Post-publication peer-review comments are publication metadata, and should be open data which can be reused as freely as the papers themselves (PubPeer currently severely restricts third-party reuse of content contributed to them[3]). The appalling practice of charging readers to report or read about errors, including paywalled retraction notices,[1] should be explicitly prohibited. All errata and retraction notices should be machine-readable open metadata. Retraction Watch may be able to advise.

Privately telling people about problems with their papers does not seem to be sufficient to correct the research record, in practice.[1] [4] This may be for innocent reasons: I recently attempted to contact a corresponding author, requesting clarification of the units used in a recent paper, only to find that she had died. While some publishers currently allow comments,[5] responsibility for publishing criticisms should obviously not lie with a criticized party. The journals might also prefer this, as it will free them from legal liability;[2] PubPeer seems to be able to accept anonymous criticisms, restricted by a verifiability policy, without being sued out of existence.

It should be noted that Wikipedia requires editors to declare conflicts of interest, but also allows third parties to flag other editors as having conflicts of interest, including anonymously, through the {{connected contributor}} template. There are penalties for unverifiable accusations. The system largely seems to work, although undisclosed paid editors can be hard to identify. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 05:31, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Obviously the absence of a COI statement (as well as statements of the absence of COIs) should be explicitly noted in the metadata. "The authors did not make any statement about their potential conflicts of interest" or some such. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 15:28, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Open Data

"All scholarly content must be openly accessible" in an excellent principle and should explicitly include open data, and open lab notebooks where possible. Plan S should have suitable guidelines for data archiving and sharing, through secure third parties where ethics require it.[6] Open data should be formatted for easy re-use, and be correctable when errors are found.

Open data allows reuse in other research papers, but also allows reuse by Wikipedia. For example, I made this diagram from open data, also open-licensing a script to derive it from the original files; when better data became available, another editor made an updated version. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 05:31, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Links to trial registries

Where a trial was registered in a trial registry, a machine-readable link to the registration should be part of the metadata of the published article. The methodology should be machine-readable, making it possible to compare the trial as-planned to the trial as-published automatically. Even a simple list of outcomes to be reported would be useful here, as outcome-switching is common; see the COMPare study for methodology and an idea of how tedious it is to do this by hand. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 05:31, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Start-up journals

Some statement about barriers to entry should be made. For journals starting up (espec in humanities) may struggle with some of the technical requirements. It might be useful to outline or some assistance to ensure diversified journal marketplace competition. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 00:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That makes sense. A copyleft software suite, similar to Mediawiki, which one could just click-to-install on one of the open-source personal servers that are springing up, would effectively remove many technical barriers. It would probably only cost several thousand US dollars to make something like this, if existing code (like the stuff we are using here) were reused, and the cost of the hardware would be significantly less than $1000 US.
A hosting service (we could run one here) would be even easier. How much effort would it take to allow anyone to set up the software for a journal in a few minutes here? It still won't be easy to start a journal, but the technical obstacles will be gone. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 01:51, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You mean something like Open Journal Systems (OJS), but is compatible with MediaWiki? OJS is open source so it should be adaptable if WMF provides some programming resource. I can see people adopting MediaWiki as a plug-in since it already takes care of typesetting (which is time-consuming and costly for post-acceptance articles) and something that OJS doesn't do. In OJS, the copyeditor downloads the accepted article, works offline for copyediting and typesetting, and then uploads the copyedited version into OJS. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Article Processing Charge (APC) cap

The APC cap is likely necessary (Nat. Comms. APC = $5200) since otherwise it could end up excluding researchers supported by funders outside of Plan S to be excluded from Plan S journals. How will APC caps be decided and how often updated? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 00:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Supplementary data

The existence of supplementary content (data, supplementary text, supplementary media, software, corrections, retractions, anything) should be identified in the bibliographic metadata, so that the reader can easily know if they have all of the publication or are missing bits. It would be useful to have a recommendation to put supplementary data in standard self-describing data formats (with an evolving database of data standards, so that one could easily find an appropriate one). HLHJ (discusscontribs) 15:23, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Access, privacy, and paywalls

Obviously, copyleft articles should not have paywalls. However, this expectation has not always been met; one publisher charged for access to open-access articles for over two years.[7] Academics looking into the matter fount that it was questionable whether this breached any laws. Plan S should therefore make it clear that paywalling access or exerting pressure against people hosting or otherwise distributing copies would be in breach of its standards.

Access may also become difficult if political pressure is exerted on academics, especially but not exclusively by national governments, not to access certain content. This is a problem with which Wikipedia is familiar; we are currently being banned by two governments, and we've regularly been denounced by a number of civil society groups. The most common means of censorship is self-censorship, often encouraged by, for instance, automated messages telling readers that they are being watched. This has a strong effect even if it is untrue. The other means being used is to block access to the original database of content, and give access to a redacted form.

Peer-to-peer sharing, automated and manual, is in practice used to circumvent censorship of academic articles; for open-access content, this is entirely legal and should be encouraged. Automated versions do, however, require an index database. For illegal peer-to-peer sharing, it is the index websites that have been targeted. The US military, developing ARPANET, reported wanted a fully-distributed system, but in fact wound up with the DNS system used as an index for the internet. A DNS system for the library of academic articles should be possible, with academic libraries host them.

Wikipedia is widely distributed through intranet serves (see Internet-in-a-Box). This gives access to, for instance African universities with no net access. The existing provisions in Plan S, for availability of the full text in machine-readable format, will allow us to use fully-automated tools to distribute academic articles by the same route.

Academic articles are sometimes high-bandwidth, but their metadata is not. We could also distribute a database of the metadata, similar to Crossref but with distributed prooofreading and fewer COIs about things like linking to author repository fulltexts. We already have it; it's called WikiCite. Feedback on how it should evolve would be welcome.

Some care need to be taken with the database of metadata of open-access works. Database copyright is permitted in some countries; it may be necessary to take measures against copyrighting an index to Plan-S works. Even just building good proprietary tools on top of it (annotation, tagging, and recommendations, for instance, like Mendeley) could result in a group effectively controlling access to the tools needed by academics to work competitively in their field (an "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" strategy). If the group is democratically controlled by the academics, this is not a problem; if it seeks profit, even at the expense of academics in lower-income countries, it might be. The traditional solution to this problem is a copyleft license, such as the Open Database License (ODbL) successfully used by Open Streetmap, but you might be able to think of a solution compatible with CC-0, if stronger motives compel its retention. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 16:13, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Depending on how exactly plan S ends up implemented, WikiData could be an ideal location to store information for e.g. lists of journals, or databases that are plan-S compliant, since it's easily integrated with other databases and its history is fully audit-able. All papers will soon be listed in Wikidata, so supp info, COIs, etc could conceivably be included. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 10:59, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  1. 1.0 1.1 Allison, David B.; Brown, Andrew W.; George, Brandon J.; Kaiser, Kathryn A. (4 February 2016). "Reproducibility: A tragedy of errors". Nature News 530 (7588): 27. doi:10.1038/530027a. Retrieved 27 January 2019. 
  2. "Retraction challenges". Nature News 514 (7520): 5. 2 October 2014. doi:10.1038/514005a. Retrieved 27 January 2019. 

Version submitted to Plan S feedback form

To submit 14:00 UTC 08-02-2019 (1 hr pre-deadline)

Version submitted to Plan S feedback form
  • Metadata on conflicts of interest, errata, retractions, and trial registration should be more directly addressed, see below.
  • Lists will have to be kept of Plan-S compliant journals and databases — is there a plan for who will audit and store this information?
  • What does "All scholarly content" include, and what "other research outputs"? Could the guidelines be made expandable for e.g. open clinical trial registrations and open lab notebooks?
  • Wikipedia has problems with hard-to-identify conflicts of interest in academic papers (see Could machine-readable COI metadata, designed to resolve such problems, be included? This has also been called for by academics.[1]
  • Metadata on what errata, retractions, and supplementary data are available should be machine-readable. A third-party enquiries service, like PubPeer but with open licensing, should be set up.
  • The APC cap is likely necessary (Nat. Comms. APC = $5200) since otherwise it could end up excluding researchers supported by funders outside of Plan S to be excluded from Plan S journals. How will APC caps be decided and how often updated?
  • Barriers to market entry by new journals should be explicitly addressed.
  • The problem of third-party data reusers adding facilities and then limiting access, as in Mendeley's case, should be addressed.
  • As an openly editable and audit-able database, Wikidata may prove a useful location for storing information on e.g. Plan S compliant archives, article errata, supplementary data.

This feedback has been compiled and summarised from contributions of multiple people. For a full record of the discussion, please see

  1. Dunn, Adam G.; Coiera, Enrico; Mandl, Kenneth D.; Bourgeois, Florence T. (2016-05-03). "Conflict of interest disclosure in biomedical research: a review of current practices, biases, and the role of public registries in improving transparency". Research Integrity and Peer Review 1: 1. doi:10.1186/s41073-016-0006-7. PMID 27158530. PMC 4854425. // 
Confirmation of receipt by Plan S feedback form

Dear contributor

On behalf of cOAlition S we would like to thank you for having taken the time to react and provide feedback on the implementation guidance of Plan S.

cOAlition S received input from over 600 individuals and organisations during this feedback exercise. Originating from over 40 countries, respondents include researchers, librarians and libraries, publishers and editors, universities, learned societies, research funders and performers, and other interested citizens and organisations. Never before have our diverse scholarly communities seen a debate on Open Access and the future of scholarly communications play out on such a global scale.

Responses are now being analysed and will feed into an updated version of the Plan S implementation guidance. An initial analysis of the feedback will be released in the spring and all feedback responses will be made openly available. We will inform you when the next steps of the process are complete.

Kind regards

Notes on Plan S compliance criteria

Below are the criteria for being Plan-S compliant in the same way that we checked the #Free Journal Network criteria. There are a few I'm not certain on so have marked them with a question mark. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 10:53, 22 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A word of caution: Plan S's criteria are provisional, and it is not clear how they would apply. Plan S compliance might be vital if we want money (APCs or subsidies), less so if we do not. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 20:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good point, and for WikiJournals it's probably less vital considering that most articles are not publishing funded research. I suspect it will become commonplace for journals to indicate whether they are 'Plan-S compliant' if it gets implemented. The ones that we don't yet hit (especially JATS) may be useful long-term goals anyway. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 23:42, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think Wikisource would probably meet "Deposition of content with a long-term digital preservation or archiving programme"; for most content, we'd just need to copy over some academic-article-specific templates, which should be pretty quick. We could obviously also host public domain and open-licensed articles from other journals there; there are fields where older articles are actually quite hard to get a hold of, as no-one has scanned them. Pandoc will convert Mediawiki markup to just about anything, including XML and LaTeX. It has limitations, but it should do us for much of the stuff needed below. I assumed the Wikijournals were already using it for PDFs etc. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 17:56, 10 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Apparently there exists a GPL2 Pandoc extension that produces JATS XML. Pandoc will read Mediawiki markup.[8] so In theory this is a ready-made solution; in practice, there are likely to be bugs; the more obscure markups won't translate. Not sure how citations would work, my guess is badly but that's just pessimism, I don't know. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 00:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Basic mandatory criteria for Plan S compliant Open Access journals and platforms:

  • checkY The journal/platform must be registered in the Directory of Open Access Journals (DOAJ) or in the process of being registered.
  • checkY All scholarly content must be openly accessible (journal website or dedicated platform) and free to read and download immediately upon publication, without any kind of technical or other form of obstacles.
  • checkY The journal/platform must enable authors to publish under a CC BY 4.0 license (alternatively CC BY-SA 4.0 or CC0).
  • checkY The journal/platform must offer authors/institutions the option of full copyright retention without any restrictions, i.e. no copyright transfer or license to publish that strips the author of essential rights.
  • checkY The journal/platform must have a solid system in place for review according to the standards within the relevant discipline, and according to the standards of the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE). Details on this must be openly available through the website.
  • checkY The journal/platform must provide automatic APC waivers for authors from low-income countries and discounts for authors from middle-income countries.
  • checkY The journal must not have a mirror/sister subscription journal with substantial overlap in editorial board to avoid business models charging for both access and publication. Such journals will de facto be considered hybrid journals (see ‘Transformative Agreements’ below).

Mandatory quality criteria for Plan S compliant journals, platforms, and other venues:

  • checkY Transparent costing and pricing: information on the publishing costs and on any other factors impacting the publication fees (for example cross subsidising) must be openly available on the journal website/publishing platform. This must include details on direct costs, indirect costs and potential surplus.
  • checkY Use of DOIs as permanent identifiers (PIDs with versioning, for example in case of revisions).
  • N Deposition of content with a long-term digital preservation or archiving programme (such as CLOCKSS).
  • ☒N Availability of the full text (including supplementary text and data when applicable and feasible) in machine readable format (for example XML), allowing for seamless Text and Data Mining (TDM).
    • Working out how to code WikiJournal articles in a JATS-compliant format should be possible, but we'd need assistance from a mediawiki developer.
  • checkY Linking to underlying data, code, and so on available in external repositories.
  • N High quality article level metadata – including cited references – in standard interoperable format, under a CC0 public domain dedication. Metadata must include complete and reliable information on funding provided by cOAlition S funders.
    • Header metadata implemented as XML subpage. CS1 citation system is well structured so hopefully possible to generate cited article metadata? Again, will need mediawiki developer assistance.
  • checkY Machine readable information on the Open Access status and the license embedded in the article.

Recommended additional criteria for journals and platforms:

  • checkY Support for PIDs for authors (such as ORCID), funders, funding programmes and grants, institutions, and so on.
  • ☒N Direct deposition of publications by the publisher into Plan S compliant author designated or centralised Open Access repositories.
    • Problem will eventually need to be solved in order to be able to export articles to PMC some day.
  • ☒N Openly accessible data on citations according to the standards by the Initiative for Open Citations I4OC.
    • as above on citations

Revised Plan S published

For those interested, the revised Plan S is out. Main changes:

  • Slightly relaxed technical requirements for some aspects
  • Hybrid journals allowed if part of a transition to OA
  • CC BY ND allowed
  • Delayed implementation timeline from 2020 to 2021

From my reading of this, WikiJournals should be fully compliant with the new mandatory criteria, and the additional recommended ones can be worked towards. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 07:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Research Preprints

I've submitted the information on WikiJPre to

  • Homepage:
  • Disciplines: all
  • Start:8 October 2017‎
  • Unique ID: URL
  • Licenses: CC licenses (CC-BY default)
  • Format submission: direct text (mediawiki)
  • Format publication: PDF & HTML
  • Owned: WikiJournal User Group
  • Governance: Advisory board
  • Business model: Hosted by WikiMedia Foundation nonprofit
  • Description: WikiJournal Preprints is an open-access online multidisciplinary pre-print server that operates on the MediaWiki platform. This makes it well suited to collaborative writing with detailed versioning and ability for commenting. Articles can be submitted to any journal, but the server is particularly well set up for submission to WikiJournals and subsequent Wikipedia-integration. It can also import wikipedia articles as startiing points for articles (

I also suggested for them to add the well-maintained w:List of academic journals by preprint policy to the 'guidance for authors' section. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 10:10, 22 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiJournal Preprints server is now listed on T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 09:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Interested in Joining the Administration

I am a highly motivated writer/lecturer with doctoral level training in Quantum-nuclear physics, theology, and archaeology. I am very good at project formulation, guidance, and execution. My vision is to see scores of peer-reviewed Wiki Journals that cover a vast range of knowledge. I am the editor of numerous massive textbooks, dictionaries, study Bibles, and encyclopedias in the languages of India. At present I am working on an English, 3 volume, Encyclopedia of Indian Numismatics. I also have 85 Kindle publications of which the majority are non fiction.

I therefore apply to be made part of the Administration. Dr. Johnson C. Philip (discusscontribs) 17:13, 1 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See also w:Johnson Philip. Boris Tsirelson (discusscontribs) 18:09, 1 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see his book "From abacus up to quantum computers" intended for wide audience, but I fail to find any his research in quantum (and/or nuclear) physics, intended for experts. I tried Web of Science, and other professional collections, in vain. Boris Tsirelson (discusscontribs) 19:50, 1 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The title you mentioned is available on Let me add that I have a total of 85 titles on Amazon Kindle, and 75 of them are non-fiction. Dr. Johnson C. Philip (discusscontribs) 15:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: for those wishing to read and coment on the application, it is listed at this page. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 22:50, 1 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am 65 years old, and based in India. India did not have computer facilities at the time I was active in the University. So you cannot find anything on the net about my work in Quantum-nuclear Physics. My PhD was awarded in 1991 when Internet was not available in India. Dr. Johnson C. Philip (discusscontribs) 03:45, 2 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 CommentI am very active in Numismatics and would love to see a review journal coming up in Numismatics, a field in which I have very wide contacts in India. Dr. Johnson C. Philip (discusscontribs) 03:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Table of contents for preprint talk pages?

I tried to add __TOC__ to the Talk (Discussion) page for an article submitted to WikiJMed, but it did not work. I also tried __FORCETOC__ but that did not work either. I searched for __NOTOC__ but did not see it either, so I am assuming that including a Table of Contents is not allowed by some other method.

If that is correct, is there a reason we do not have Table of Contents for preprint Talk pages? Thanks!   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 22:36, 20 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Markworthen: Hmm, the TOC is meant to appear on the right hand side in preprints. I'll check whether there is a rendering issue in different browsers. The TOC is meant to be called by the main {{article info}} template so I'm surprised that __FORCETOC__ didn't override it. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 04:16, 22 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I, for one, see it on the right hand side (for now). Boris Tsirelson (discusscontribs) 05:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah ha! Thank you Boris. It might have been there all along, but I'm so conditioned to look for it in the body of the article I thought it was missing.   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 17:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Laboratory notebook

Discussing content produced by teachers and students during ranging syllabuses (in universities) on french wikiversity research name-space topics, I came with the idea of "Laboratory wiki-notebooks".

In case you'd be interested in elaborating (for or with your students) I quickly translate the idea here.

"One thing that I think would be relevant is that these "contributions" of "practical directed work" can be put at use beyond 'learning'. Concerning my thesis in environmental assessment, I regret that the machine park in higher education is not used to provide Life Cycle Inventory data (basic data for environmental assessment). Many of the "practical directed work" during my studies have concerned the production and characterization of materials (Baccalaureate in materials, higher technician diploma in industrial product design and finally engineering syllabus). If these "practical works" were documented and accompanied by the neighboring fields (Laboratory Sciences and Techniques) for measurements and characterization of emissions and effluents, all supported by wikiversity and wikidata, we would have the capacity to document a nice range of processes. It would result in a learning work that is not only useful for teaching (courses, operating modes, lexicographical studies of productions for the educational sciences etc.), but also for environmental assessment (with a high diversity of replications, a very interesting characterization of dispersion and uncertainty data). In the laboratories (at least the one I was in), CNRS's UMR (mixed researched unit, a way for CNRS to look bigger ;-), we have"Laboratory notebook". They are scarcely used for research (to my knowledge), unfortunately more for the lucrative property that could result from it (as proof of prior art), but epistemologically speaking, I find it very rich. Moreover, if these "laboratory notebooks" were open and in CC-BY-SA it would greatly reduce the lucrative depredation on knowledge"

Currently for the rare occasion were I start an english research page, it's a draft of wikijournal article (Either the co-author is wiki-shy or he's not that interested). This space for "searching" is currently debated in the french wikiversity (will it be "NOINDEX" sub-user or sub-project pages..., We'll see). Anyway I believe for the benefit of Higher Education, the border between 'schooly' learning and 'research learning' should in my opinion have some room here.

--RP87 (discusscontribs) 10:18, 25 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@RP87: Thank you for the info! It is a pity that the CNRS isn't more widely used. I'd heard of something similar for participants of the iGem synthetic biology competition, but it would be interesting to see something like this used more widely and integrated into other wikis. There's also a few experiments in documenting experimental protocols in a similar way at I think these sorts of initiatives will slowly gain traction as electronic lab notebooks become the norm. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 00:41, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See Wikipedia:Open-notebook science. It's a great idea. If Visual Editor handled tables really well, it would be a lot more practical; last I checked, it did not do them at all. HLHJ (discusscontribs) 00:04, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Reimagine Review is "a registry of platforms and experiments innovating around peer review". We may want to enter the registry in order to share our experience, now or at a later stage. We would have to describe the salient features of peer review at WikiJournals, starting (imho) with the Wikipedia-style openness of the platform, where anyone can contribute to the Talk page and/or edit the article under review. To get a precise idea of which information we would have to provide, see for example Peerage of Science's entry. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 22:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Sylvain Ribault: Very interesting, I'd not come across that. I've signed in to have a look at the submission form and it looks very reasonable. I think that we should apply as soon as practical, since there is not real benefit for delay on this one. The main relevant questions to think about are below. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 00:34, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sylvain Ribault: I agree with the items you've ticked. I've added some stats for the final section. Feel free to use those you think are most interesting (or add others I've not thought of). I'm happy for you to fill in the application form, or I can if you prefer. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Evolution and evolvability: They want "project leaders" to fill the form, you fit the description better. Thanks for the stats, two remarks: 1. How many articles were rejected? We should distinguish articles that were rejected from articles that are still under review. 2. Clarify that the 6.9 million views are to the Wikipedia versions, if that is true. Distinguish Wikipedia metrics (pageviews) and WikiJournal article metrics (citations, AltMetric). Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 20:25, 16 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sylvain Ribault: V. good points, especially making clear which stats apply to the journal version vs the wikipedia version. Of the 13 articles not accepted, 1 was withdrawn and 12 were rejected. I'll tackle the application today. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:44, 19 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sylvain Ribault: I've now submitted so it'll be listed after review by their team. It also seems that it is possible to update the details if new features are added, or to update statistics. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The WikiJournal User Group is now listed on ReimagineReview. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Splendid!Let's hope that initiative leads to interesting exchanges. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 20:55, 20 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  1. Description of the project - In a nutshell, what is the project about and how does it work? (150 words maximum)
    The three WikiJournals (Medicine, Science and Humanities) are Wikipedia-integrated academic journals. This firstly means that in addition to research articles, they also publish Wikipedia-style encyclopedic review articles. These review articles can be written from scratch or based on Wikipedia articles, and can be integrated back into Wikipedia after peer review. Secondly, the WikiJournals are hosted and supported by the Wikimedia Foundation and so are free to both authors and to readers. And third, the WikiJournals use the same MediaWiki software as Wikipedia. Articles automatically benefit from features like version control and discussion pages, and anyone can edit them, including the peer reviewers, and the journals' academic editors.
  2. Goals - What are the main motivations that inspired the project and what will it accomplish? (150 words maximum)
    The main original goal of WikiJournals is to encourage and recognize contributions to Wikipedia by academics. To do this, the WikiJournals allow Wikipedia articles to have named authors, DOIs, a stable PDF version of record, and to undergo academic peer review. Moreover, WikiJournals strive to achieve a broad thematic scope that covers practically all fields of research, and to provide a zero cost, open access publishing venue for the fields that lack one. And finally, WikiJournals implement recognized best practices, in particular a form of open peer review where not only the reviews are made public, but also anyone can contribute.
  3. Areas of innovation tickbox options:
    • checkYCosts: in money and/or time and resources
    • checkYQuality of review: rigor, thoroughness, or tone of the review
    • Bias in review
    • Incentives and recognition for reviewing
    • Reviewer training
    • Speed
    • checkYTransparency
  4. Transparency tickbox options:
    • checkYDouble blind: Reviewers are unaware of the authors’ identities, and vice versa
    • checkYOpen interaction: Reviewers communicate with one another during the review process
    • checkYOpen reports: The content of peer review reports is published
    • checkYOpen identities: The identities of peer reviewers are published
    • checkYOpen participation: Anyone can participate in the peer review process
    • checkYSingle blind: Authors are unaware of reviewers’ identities, but NOT vice versa
  5. Process tickbox options:
    • checkYAuthor initiates review: The author decides to initiate the peer review process. Eg, traditional journal review is initiated by the authors’ submission.
    • Comment moderation: Comments are screened or moderated before or after posting.
    • Journal integration: (For review happening outside the traditional journal format) editors at one or more journals integrate the content of the review into their own processes or the final presentation of the paper
    • Pre-publication review: Review prior to public disclosure (of a preprint or other output) Reviewer or editor initiates review
    • Comment indexing: Comments are given a DOI or included in disciplinary databases
    • Comment rating (meta-evaluation): Comments can be up- or down-voted, highlighted, or reviewed themselves.
    • checkYPost-publication review: Review after public disclosure (or a preprint or other output)
    • checkYProfessional editors
    • Preregistration
    • Reviewer or editor initiates review: The review process is started without the involvement of the author, as in a comment left on a website
  6. Notes on review features - Please describe any features or functionality not adequately described by the categories above.
    Thanks to the MediaWiki platform, peer review at WikiJournals is extremely flexible. While comments themselves are always made public, the authors, reviewers and other participants may be named, pseudonymous or anonymous. Interactions between all the participants are possible before, during and after the review process. Reviewers may choose to perform small corrections themselves, rather than suggesting them to authors. And authors are able to revert modifications thanks to version control.
  7. Eligible reviewers/editors - How are reviewers and/or editors selected, and/or who is eligible to comment?
    Editors are selected for their professional credentials as researchers, their experience with academic publishing, and their experience with open projects and in particular Wikipedia. Reviewers are selected for their status as experts in the reviewed article's subject matter. As in Wikipedia, anyone is eligible to comment: it is not even necessary to create an account.
  8. Criteria for inclusion - What does it mean for a scholarly output to be associated with the project and/or associated tags or badges?
    Articles are accepted for publication (inc, PDF, doi, indexing etc) once they have been been assessed by at least two external peer reviewers (invited by the editorial board) and their responses and edits have been agreed to by both the peer reviewers and editorial board. Suitable material is integrated into Wikipedia, as a 'living version' where it is available for post-publication review and freely editable by anyone.
  9. Metrics - Do you track usage and participation of this project? After participation in the experiment, do you request or receive feedback regarding the review experience? Do you have statistics on how the review results are used? Or are there other indicators of that you use?
    Currently tracked are: The number of times that an article is read in the journal and on Wikipedia (for those integrated into Wikipedia); Number of pre-publication peer reviewers; Post-publication peer review; The Social media impact of each article by Later, an impact factor will be sought by ISI Web of Science.
  10. Results summary - Briefly summarize the results of the project or trial. For more details, see the “Policies” page. (150 word maximum)
    49 submitted articles, 36 accepted for publication.
    27 published articles integrated into Wikipedia (of which 8 were adapted by updating/overhauling existing Wikipedia content).
    Mean number of external peer reviewers = 3.1 per article, additional suggestions from editors = 1.2 per article, spontaneous pre-publication suggestions from readers = 0.1 per article.
    extensive post-publication commentary performed on 'living' Wikipedia versions of articles.
    75% of peer reviewers choose to have their identity open
    WikiJournal articles integrated in full or part into Wikipedia receive 6.9 million views per annum so far.
    Combined citations 121 per G-scholar
    Combined AltMetric score >200.
@Evolution and evolvability: The stats in Point 10 are interesting, it would be nice to display them more prominently somewhere. And to complete them with more general data and conclusions from our experience so far. In particular, I would be very curious to know where the authors who submitted to WikiJournals come from, and how they learned about the journals. It indeed seems that the number of good submissions is the main factor that limits the growth of the journals. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 21:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Moved to here from Talk:WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Cell_disassembly_during_apoptosis. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk

Hello all, I have decided to sell domain name
If you are intersted in it, please drop me a message to personal email: - 09:51, 11 March 2019‎ Fokebox (discuss | contribs | block)‎

This message was already posted here and I deleted it as spam. @T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk: why do you think it is not spam? Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 08:32, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sylvain Ribault: Ah, I didn't see it was posted here first. I thought it was only added to the peer review page of that article. It is certainly the case that own that domain (there were discussions a few years back (when only WikiJMed) existed about using it. The idea was dropped because a merger with the existing content was incompatible - ie not peer reviewed. It's possible that the domain name could be useful to redirect to WikiJournal_User_Group. If it turns out to be spam, definitely remove again though. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 09:49, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is not a spam, I really sell the domain and website compleately under full control (existing content can be delted). If it is impossible to buy than I can give it to use according to the ideas of WikiJournal User group under the donations (hosting, ssl certificates) etc). You can contact me via Whats upp +79858889947 --Fokebox (discusscontribs) 13:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Distinction between encyclopedia and scholarly journal; copying content from one to another

I'm grateful that a recent article WikiJournal of Science/RIG-I like receptors is published and that it's integrated into w:en:RIG-I-like receptor. However, strangely I couldn't find a significant difference between the two pages in their own current forms. If WikiJournal articles and Wikipedia articles become more similar to each other content-wise, what would happen to the distinction between an encyclopedia and a scholarly (academic) journal? How different must a Wikipedia article and a WikiJournal article be from each other? An encyclopedia typically gives a general overview of distinctive topics, while a scholarly journal typically summarizes research conducted by typically academics. What are similarities and differences with an encyclopedia and a scholarly journal? George Ho (discusscontribs) 02:28, 17 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

While both can present topical reviews on notable subjects only a scholarly journal can publish original research. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 19:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, a free, open encyclopedia can be useful for the general/lay reader; scholarly journals, particularly ones requiring payment to view, are traditionally not. Wikipedia is also a multi-lingual body of work. The benefits of incorporating scholarly material into the fifth most popular website in the world (as of January 2019) include more scientific accuracy for the reader, as well as more recognition for the academics providing the information (if the references are consulted). Some edits for "layman speak" are traditionally made as well, as long as the essential scientific content is not disrupted. | This article shows how Wikipedia is consulted for medical information, particularly for rare diseases, more often than even PubMed or some other outlets. Sherylock (discusscontribs) 16:04, 9 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiJournal participation in Wikimedia 2030 Strategy

The 2019 WikiMedia Summit in Berlin is coming up on the 29th of March. The scoping documents have just been released to guide the 3-day-long discussion on the Wikimedia Movement strategy for the next 10 years. There will be >200 representatives there from the different national chapters, user groups, affiliates, trustees, WMF staff and specialist invitees. I'll be representing the WikiJournal User Group at the summit and aiming to focus on what WikiJournals can offer, as well as their preferences. I'll also try to convey the interests of the academic community as a whole where possible. If there are any ideas or feedback on the scoping documents, please let me know below and I'll make sure to raise them during the summit. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Scoping documents prepared by respective Working Groups

Summary of WM 2030 Strategy Summit (Berlin)

This is my brief summary of the [[metawiki:Wikimedia_Summit_2019|2019 WikiMedia Summit in Berlin]]. I think that the Wikimedia Strategy Summit was very valuable - hopefully for both the WikiJournals and for the movement as a whole. There was a very intense and productive atmosphere amongst the delegates. Below are some of the items relevant to the WikiJournal User Group.

Resource allocation
  • Based on our experiences, I raised the point that although money can be requested via rapid grant, other assistance is currently difficult to request / requisition, e.g.:
    • Advocacy by WMF on a specific issue
    • PR / advertising
    • Press release
    • Social media post/repost
    • Legal advice
    • Official contact when making new partnerships
  • We have useful experience in forming partnerships, as well as inviting external auditing and oversight that could be potentially relevant to other user groups
  • I recommended that the successes of the WikiJournals could be used by the WMF as PR
    • example of quality and auditability
    • as example link to wider 'big open' knowledge ecosystem
Community health
  • Several other usergroups expressed interest in the code of conduct that we're drafting. There is potential for it be useful as a template CoCs for other user groups (or even projects).
Other relevant discussions

Several attendees suggested using WikiJHum as an avenue for gathering oral histories in a systematic fashion, i.e. covering a gap in wikisource and commons for recording information to generate reliable sources for topics that currently lack them.

It was recommended that we update the sister project application and re-submit it

  • Gather updated user stats and contribs
  • Notify all relevant Wikiprojects (and other relevant locations)
  • Possible platform for other journals to join (e.g. PLOS, Gene, RNA biol etc.)
  • Write a new opinion editorial on what we think WikiJournals could be by 2030 (concrete goals, stretch goals, speculative ideas)
Wikimedia Foundation board of trustees election

This is the first year where Affiliate groups (like us) are able to vote in a candidate to the WMF board of trustees. (see #Update_on_the_Affiliate-selected_Board_seats_2019_process below for more details). The two relevant points:

  1. If anyone wishes to put themself forward as a candidate, the criteria and process are here.
  2. Once candidates are all announced, we can discuss and vote on which we want the WikiJournal User Group to support. Our user group then casts a single vote in the election (183 affiliate groups will be voting).

I'm happy to go into more detail on any of the elements above, just ask below. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:19, 13 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note, the summary document for the Berlin WM 2030 Strategy Summit is now published here. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 10:27, 18 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Strategy Liaison

A the moment, I am the default strategy liaison, however if anyone else would like to be the strategy liaison, I'd be happy to be involved in a supporting role. The main elements are:

  1. Facilitate discussions about what WikiJournals can contribute to the Wikimedia Strategy 2030 and keep the WMF up to date (summary)
  2. Cast the vote on the #Update_on_the_Affiliate-selected_Board_seats_2019_process Affiliate-selected Wikimedia Foundation trustee based on WikiJournal User Group consensus (summary, list)
"Strategy Liaisons appointed by Organized Groups will act as a conduit for ideas, questions, and updates. This will enable Organized Groups to participate effectively in the Movement Strategy Process and ensure that voices and perspectives of organizations and collaboratives are well heard and considered. The Liaison will be engaged in (pro)active communication with the Working Groups and the Core Team to ensure that their organization is up to date with the overall process and its internal conversations are synchronous and well connected to global discussions."

If you'd like to be involved just leave a note below and email, contactAt, and contactAt I'll forward on the email that was sent after the Berlin summit. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:24, 15 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm just posting to express an interest in having the role of Strategy Liaison until December 2019. Jacknunn (discusscontribs) 02:28, 15 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jacknunn: I'd be happy to support you in that role. I'll forward you the email information and show you how to notify the WMF team that you'll be the main contact for this part of the process. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 04:35, 16 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have now onboarded Jack Nunn as a Strategy Liaison for the WikiJournal User Group via going through the links in the "Affiliate community conversations: post-Summit launch" email from Kelsi Stine-Rowe. I'll assist him through the process in a support role. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 10:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Double blind peer review (once again)

Although this has already been discussed earlier vide Talk:WikiJournal User Group#Double blinded vs open system of peer review, this is in context of Talk:WikiJournal of Medicine#SCOPUS reapplication and Talk:WikiJournal User Group#ReimagineReview. I know that there was no definite or pertinent objection to Double blind peer review and that the boards had approved optional double blind peer review. However, I would like to quote my own words from the initial discussion "..double blinding indeed should help in eliminating bias. As the articles get published, the entire details of the author and reviewer gets revealed in accordance to the choices mentioned. So, this is an issue of the journal standards. It cannot be optional. It is there or it isn't there. A middle path should not exist here. Diptanshu 💬 13:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC)"

@Mikael Häggström, Evolution and evolvability, and Fransplace: could you please take up the matter once again in the periodic conference calls and discuss whether it would be feasible to convert the optional part to obligatory or none at all options? I feel that optional does not serve any purpose. If one can point the significance of this being optional I am eager to listen to their perspective though. Diptanshu 💬 11:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Curiously, what's wrong with making public peer review (i.e. revealing authors' identities) the default choice? I'm unsure why you like switching the default to double-blind peer review and dislike it as "optional". To me, double-blind peer review would increase the risk of spammers and fraudulence, but I can see why authors and reviewers conceal each others' identities. Why not compromise and accept the peer review method as the "optional" choice and leave the default (open review) method as-is? --George Ho (discusscontribs) 23:56, 23 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
George Ho I understand that you are well-intended but I doubt whether you understand what double blinding is about. Here is what I would suggest:
  • Please go through the details of the discussion at Talk:WikiJournal User Group#Double blinded vs open system of peer review
  • Please give an example scenario on how you think double-blind peer review would increase the risk of spammers and fraudulence.
  • Please get in touch with Bob Cummings <cummingsAt>, the Managing Editor of Wiki Studies a journal which runs on the double blind peer review model. Also feel free to get in touch with Frances who happens to be on the board of Wiki Studies and well as the EiC of WikiJournal of Humanities. Feel free to get in touch with any of the actual journals running on this model and get a feedback on whether they have faced your apprehension as a reality. I would assume their experience to be of practical value over the apprehensions of anyone who has no idea of how it works. Your research will perhaps hold some value to at least some of WikiJournal board members who have no idea what it is really about but would nevertheless play a decisive role in the matter.
After you are done with all the three home-works and can declare that you understand what it is all about, I would be happy to tell you why "optional" does not serve any purpose. Rather, if the boards are really apprehensive about this development they can feel free to declare that they think double blinding to be a risky proposal and then they can dump it altogether. It is curious that the SCOPUS, ReimagineReview or similar platforms do not think the same about double-blinded reviews. But if opinions hold priority on validity and evidence, then why not?
I would wait to hear back from you after you have carried out the home tasks I have given you. I do not want to reinvent the wheel. Diptanshu 💬 07:39, 24 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Diptanshu Das: I disagree that double-blind review cannot be optional. Firstly, providing it as optional gives opportunity to test author preferences over the next year. Secondly, I don't think that having fully open review in one case would invalidate those submissions that choose to be double-blinded until publication. Full double-blinding is also impossible for some submissions where editors use their real names as usernames. Double blinding has proven useful in some fields (and indeed the gold standard in much of the humanities), but its effects have been inconclusive in other fields, which is why there was not unanimous support in the editorial boards for its implementation as default or compulsory. More info in the meeting notes. Would you consent to this section being moved to be with the earlier discussion to keep the discussion together? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 10:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Evolution and evolvability: I forgot to add in my last communication to your that I would not be following up with any of given threads which I had initiated (on-wiki or otherwise). So, address the issues if they need to be addressed and not for the requirement to provide a response. As regards the given issue pertaining to double blinding, you people would be able to decide on what works best for you. Regarding the consideration of optionality, may be you could try making peer-review optional and see if all users would be interested in opting for it (just saying). Regarding the issue of users using their real name as username, double blinding can still be easy. Just ask them not to make the submission on-wiki. The subsequent edits can be made by anybody and do not necessarily indicate authorship. Diptanshu 💬 09:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Outcome: no change in recommending open identities for both authors and peer reviewers, but either/both may opt to be anonymous (with author names being displayed upon acceptance). Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 16:51, 10 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update on the Affiliate-selected Board seats 2019 process

I am copying this update (below) that was posted at our other, generally unused, Talk page, as this information is somewhat important for our upcoming attention. --- FULBERT (discusscontribs) 17:53, 6 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update on the Affiliate-selected Board seats 2019 process

Hi all,

The Election Facilitators met on Friday, April 5. We finalized the resolution, which is now frozen. The Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation will be asked to approve the resolution.

We have made two small changes to be more inclusive. We extended the date for compliance with AffCom reporting and being in good standing to May 7 to allow time for as many Affiliates as possible to be current with these requirements. The Election Facilitators adjusted the language in case a quorum is not met during the election.

On the talk page of the resolution one issue was raised. The issue looks like to be about a possible candidate. Affiliates will have ample time to discuss the merits of candidates during nomination time, screening time, and they can cast their votes on candidates. The Election Facilitators didn't see the necessity for this change, and left the resolution on this point unchanged.

The Election Facilitators will be Abhinav Srivastava, Lane Rasberry, Jeffrey Keefer, Ad Huikeshoven, Neal McBurnett and Alessandro Marchetti. We will welcome more volunteers to assist us in this process, to reach out to the diversity in language and gender in our communities, and do so in an advisory role.

The nomination period opens on April 15. We are going to prepare nomination pages on Meta. You can expect a call for nominations. There is a draft call, including a candidates' profile section with non-binding guidelines about experience and characteristics for nominees. You are welcome to add your insights, or discuss on the talk page.

Erica Litrenta (WMF staff) supports us in this process. She will reach out to all affiliates through mail and other channels to make sure we are up to date with (user)name and contact details of your primary contact.

On behalf of the Election Facilitators, Ad Huikeshoven 10:52, 6 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As one of the Election Facilitators in the ASBS process this year, I will recuse myself from discussing nominees or anything specific with our user group's voting in this election.
However, as a member of this user group, I do want to ensure that we have these discussions.
To this point, I request that those who are our user group representatives to AffComm begin the discussion about how this will happen and how our user group membership will discuss this. Our User Group representatives should have already received emails about this process and notice about an informal Telegram group where User Group representatives are gathering to discuss how this may be done, as this will be a new experience for all of us. Thank you. --- FULBERT (discusscontribs) 17:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Infographic about the process, with clickable links.
Infographic about the process, with clickable links.

Hello everyone!

  • The Resolution has been approved by the Board of Trustees;
  • Nominations phase is now open, from April 15 00:00 UTC to April 30 23:59 UTC. See the Call for Candidates and Nominations pages;
    • Community members may ask questions of the candidates;
  • Your main representative has just received an email to confirm that they are indeed the primary contact and will perform official actions on behalf of your group (such as endorsing candidates and then voting). Some groups also need to verify their eligibility status in due time, as explained in the email;
  • New content is available to spread awareness around the process - the infographic on this page has clickable links and can be translated, and a primer is available, that we hope will be particularly helpful to those new to such a process;
  • Finally, you are welcome to help with translations! Pick one page from the ASBS category and, in the next couple of weeks, please consider translating profiles of the candidates in particular.

Thanks for your attention! The Facilitators for ASBS 2019, 07:33, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I tweaked the coding on the list delivery for the ASBS process, so we should no longer miss any of these. This was the first one since then, so are getting these as expected. Now the real work begins! --- FULBERT (discusscontribs) 15:21, 15 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Who is our AffCom Rep and Who is voting for us in the ASBS elections?

I am a bit confused over who our AffCom Rep is and who is our delegated voter in the ASBS elections, given our User Group has a vote both in nominations and in the election itself. Is this accurate as listed on the Affiliate-selected Board seats/2019/Eligible entities page? Pinging Mikael_Häggström and Evolution_and_evolvability and User:Elitre_(WMF) for clarification. For full disclosure, I am asking as a member of this User Group, and as an Election Facilitator in the ASBS process, I cannot vote in it. However, I want to make sure this is clear and our members are aware of it. --- FULBERT (discusscontribs) 20:43, 28 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you, FULBERT, for keeping the group updated through these posts! I am registered as the spokesperson in this process, but I don't see any name mentioned from our group yet, so unless anyone want to nominate anyone within the next day, I will make no nomination from our group. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 04:14, 29 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Since the User Group gets to endorse two nominees to go through the the final voting stage (though that doesn't lock us into casting our final vote for them), my preferences would be for: Kayode Yussuf and Douglas Scott. I spoke to Kayode Yussuf at the Berlin 2019 summit, and I think his perspective is well thought-through and his experience with Creative Commons would be useful. I think Douglas Scott's work with The Safety Lab is also nicely in-line with promoting online community health over the coming years. They both would be good representatives of the Global South. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 05:46, 29 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: Another board member noted on the mailing list that they also recommend Douglas Scott. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 15:58, 29 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, I've now added endorsements at:
Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 15:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Small update: They have now been moved to the talk pages of those pages. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 20:53, 30 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. The name of the only person who will vote on behalf of this group to select the next two Board members is now at m:Affiliate-selected Board seats/2019/Eligible entities. Please contact me directly as soon as possible if you need any kind of corrections there. There's only a few hours left to endorse candidates, and only the official voter can do that. I would also like to take this opportunity to remind you that you can make a difference with the necessary translations.

Appreciate your attention and your support so far! Thank you! Elitre (WMF) and Facilitators of ASBS 2019, 12:15, 29 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you Elitre (WMF). I made endorsements as mentioned in previous section. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 20:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Board of trustees nominees questions page

The nominees are beginning to answer the questions laid out for them at this page:


They should all have their answers posted by the 8th of May and the final voting deadline will be on the 31st of May. I propose that we discuss them over the month and tally up support for the candidates so that Mikael can cast the consensus vote of this user group on the 31st. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:31, 5 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Almost all candidates have now finished making their statements and answers to questions at this page. Since the voting deadline is 31 May 2019, I think we should dicuss who (if any) the WikiJournal User Group would support so that our nominated voter (Mikael Haggstrom) can cast the vote. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 13:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion & votes

Hi there. I have just seen the email and thought I'd launch the discussion on the new members to join the board of trustees. The WikiJournal User Group should support candidates who are committed to advancing the group mission and core pillars. Having read the candidates' statements, I believe the candidates to be considered are:

  • strong Support to Shani Evenstein, for her involvement in free knowledge from an academic perspective and her strong stand for transparency and accountability in decision-making. She is the chair of the UG Wikipedia & Education, with which the WikiJournal User Group shares a direct affinity.
  • Support to Richard Knipel, for his involvement in free knowledge from an academic perspective. It is worth emphasizing he is a member of the Wiki Education Foundation.
  • Support to Taweetham Limpanuparb, for his involvement in free knowledge from an academic perspective

From the Q&A with candidates, I'd recommend reading answers to: How do we deliver the improved accountability and transparency expected by our editing community. I hope you are enjoying a great Sunday. Cheers from São Paulo, Brazil. --Joalpe (discusscontribs) 13:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There are a number of excellent candidates with interesting experience and ideas (including Taweetham Limpanuparb, Kayode Yussuf). However overall, my support goes to:

  • Support to Shani Evenstein - I particularly liked her analysis of the major disrupting factors and risks that will likely affect the WMF, and it's future role.

T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 04:44, 29 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for the input. I have now submitted our support to Shani Evenstein as per above. I was also able to submit votes of lesser rank to other candidates, so I also entered the others mentioned. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 21:54, 30 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New Affiliations Committee appointments

AffCom is excited to share with you the news that the Wikimedia Foundation Board has unanimously approved the changes to the Bylaws during the last Board meeting on January 30, 2019.

This change allows the participation of User Groups in the Affiliate-selected Board seats (ASBS) 2019 process.

To read the Board's announcement, please click here

--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:45, 21 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help us make Wikipedia talk pages more accessible to more participants


Our team at the Wikimedia Foundation is working on a project to improve the ease-of-use and productivity of wiki talk pages. As an affiliate, I can imagine you’ve run into challenges explaining talk pages to first-time participants, or it is an consultation that would interest your members.

We want all contributors to be able to talk to each other on the wikis – to ask questions, to resolve differences, to organize projects and to make decisions. Communication is essential for the depth and quality of our content, and the health of our communities.

We're currently leading a global consultation on how to improve talk pages, and we're looking for groups that can discuss and report on their experiences using (or helping other people to use) wiki talk pages. We'd like to invite you to participate, with the user groups that you belong to. You can learn more about the consultation at and if you're interested in hosting a group discussion (on-wiki or off-wiki), you can sign up at the participant sign-up group.

If you’d like to participate or if you have any questions, please contact us and let us know. The more people participate from many horizons, the better the outcome will be.

Thank you! Trizek (WMF) 15:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Call for complementary facilitators and more to get the ASBS 2019 process started!

Hi everyone, hope all is fine with you!

The next weeks will be intense, as affiliates figure out their participation in the process that will soon select 2 people for the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. Since new Bylaws established that the user groups are for the first time going to be involved in such process, a lot more support than before is certainly going to be necessary, among other things, for big and healthy conversations on the topic. Hence, please encourage members of your group to become a complementary facilitator, or sign up yourself! You can add yourself to the list on Meta or reply to me to flag availability. One person from the facilitators group should soon be selected to liaise with the Foundation Board’s Chair, María Sefidari, on behalf of all affiliates, and it may be wise to also find a deputy for them.

Finally, if you can think of any huge obstacles that would prevent your group from participating to the process (for instance, a language barrier, or lack of good decision-making mechanisms, etc.), please reach out to me directly: it is really important that we hear about them as early as possible. Thank you! Elitre (WMF) 15:23, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update on the Affiliate-selected Board seats 2019 process

Hi all,

The Election Facilitators met on Friday, April 5. We finalized the resolution, which is now frozen. The Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation will be asked to approve the resolution.

We have made two small changes to be more inclusive. We extended the date for compliance with AffCom reporting and being in good standing to May 7 to allow time for as many Affiliates as possible to be current with these requirements. The Election Facilitators adjusted the language in case a quorum is not met during the election.

On the talk page of the resolution one issue was raised. The issue looks like to be about a possible candidate. Affiliates will have ample time to discuss the merits of candidates during nomination time, screening time, and they can cast their votes on candidates. The Election Facilitators didn't see the necessity for this change, and left the resolution on this point unchanged.

The Election Facilitators will be Abhinav Srivastava, Lane Rasberry, Jeffrey Keefer, Ad Huikeshoven, Neal McBurnett and Alessandro Marchetti. We will welcome more volunteers to assist us in this process, to reach out to the diversity in language and gender in our communities, and do so in an advisory role.

The nomination period opens on April 15. We are going to prepare nomination pages on Meta. You can expect a call for nominations. There is a draft call, including a candidates' profile section with non-binding guidelines about experience and characteristics for nominees. You are welcome to add your insights, or discuss on the talk page.

Erica Litrenta (WMF staff) supports us in this process. She will reach out to all affiliates through mail and other channels to make sure we are up to date with (user)name and contact details of your primary contact.

On behalf of the Election Facilitators, Ad Huikeshoven 10:52, 6 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello everyone!

  • The Resolution has been approved by the Board of Trustees;
  • Nominations phase is now open, from April 15 00:00 UTC to April 30 23:59 UTC. See the Call for Candidates and Nominations pages;
    • Community members may ask questions of the candidates;
  • Your main representative has just received an email to confirm that they are indeed the primary contact and will perform official actions on behalf of your group (such as endorsing candidates and then voting). Some groups also need to verify their eligibility status in due time, as explained in the email;
  • New content is available to spread awareness around the process - the infographic on this page has clickable links and can be translated, and a primer is available, that we hope will be particularly helpful to those new to such a process;
  • Finally, you are welcome to help with translations! Pick one page from the ASBS category and, in the next couple of weeks, please consider translating profiles of the candidates in particular.

Thanks for your attention! The Facilitators for ASBS 2019, 07:33, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello. The name of the only person who will vote on behalf of this group to select the next two Board members is now at m:Affiliate-selected Board seats/2019/Eligible entities. Please contact me directly as soon as possible if you need any kind of corrections there. There's only a few hours left to endorse candidates, and only the official voter can do that. I would also like to take this opportunity to remind you that you can make a difference with the necessary translations.

Appreciate your attention and your support so far! Thank you! Elitre (WMF) and Facilitators of ASBS 2019, 12:15, 29 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unified location to view all open editorial applications

There has been a problem for a little while that often new editorial board and associate editor applications are missed, leading to low vote tally, and delayed on-boarding. This is partly because applications were separated by journal and by editor type. To help address this:

  1. All open applications are now collected together here: Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Editors
  2. There is a plan to send out a monthly email listing the open applications

I'm hopeful that together these should help with the issue. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:12, 30 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I've submitted to the details for the WikiJournal User Group as a publisher to SHERPA/RoMEO via the publisher submission form. I've also submitted the details for the individual journals via the journal submission form. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Missing Talk / Discussion Page Posts

Our User group appears to be missing a number of recent communications from the WMF, and I recently spotted this as related to the ASBS process. With a few others, we seem to have tracked down the issue . . . the official Talk or Discussion page for our WikiJournal User Group is not here, but actually here. If you click the Show button there, then you may notice a number of communication items, including important issues related to the upcoming ASBS Board Election, that some of us may have otherwise missed.

Should we alert AffCom and any other powers that be that this page here should be where our automatic WMF posts should be delivered? --- FULBERT (discusscontribs) 17:45, 6 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for noticing this, FULBERT. I have received important updates directly by email from the Affiliations Committee (which I however haven't really been dealing with in a timely manner recently), but nevertheless I have now sent an email to them, asking to switch to this page for announcements etc. I'll also enlarge the note there stating that this is the main talk page. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 20:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A new Code of Conduct for WikiJournals: Feedback invited

Although I suppose that this post should have come here from some WikiJournal board member, I assume that it has somehow been missed out. For WikiJournal User Group members who do not subscribe to or follow the email list, let me mention that vide this thread on the mailing list the following announcement has been made:

Hello to all those interested in WikiJournals,
In collaboration with the Wikimedia Foundation’s trust and safety team, a code of conduct has been drafted over the last few months. We have drawn inspiration from CoCs used in different Wikimedia areas and open projects (listed below the draft).
Draft code of conduct available here
WikiJournal User Group/Code of conduct/Draft
Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions on how to improve it: please join the discussion here
Talk:WikiJournal User Group/Code of conduct/Draft!
We aim to put the draft to a vote to implement on the 14th of May.
(Eligible voters = authors + reviewers + editorial boards + associate editors + members with >30 contribs to any WikiJournal space).
Thomas Shafee

Diptanshu 💬 12:01, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for re-posting the above note! I thought I'd posted on this page as the first location, but I must have failed to save. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:05, 5 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Since a couple of people have emailed saying that they still intend to comment, I think it is sensible to delay voting until the the start of June to give time for feedback and implementation of changes. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 04:11, 16 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Invest in Open Infrastructure project

Is everyone aware of this: --Leighblackall (discusscontribs) 01:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Very interesting. I'd not come across this particular group. I did go to a talk on the topic from an Austrlaian perspective (summarised here), so it's good to see how widespread the ideas are. If people agree, there are two small ways we can get involved:
I can also email them to make sure they're more broadly informed of what we're doing here. My position is I think it would be worth doing all of the above, since its aims align with ours and it also ensures that they are aware of our work here. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:32, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good to see. Please do. I think it needs to be linked up. For what it's worth, they are using a web based annotation extension called Hypothesis. I added an annotation linking them to the Wikiversity Journals Group page. Leighblackall (discusscontribs) 05:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see no disadvantages to supporting this and many advantages; it looks like a very measured project which realised that OA costs money and someone must invest. Roger Rwatson1955 (discusscontribs) 05:49, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also notice that Wikipedia Library is a supporter (via Ocaasi). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:56, 23 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've now signed the User Group up as a supporter of the project. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 03:54, 29 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bylaws review by AffCom part 2

Discussions are archived for review purposes. Please start a new discussion to discuss the topic further.

Outcome: Bylaws updated. And to answer the last comment, talents, experience and competencies can indeed be counted as activities beyond those that give diplomas, certificates etc. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 04:22, 21 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support for this usergroup to seek funding from the Wikimedia Foundation

If there is community will to develop the WikiJournal into a sister project then I would like to see a Wikimedia Foundation funding allocation to advance the idea. I am imagining that some money on the scale of US$100,000 - 1,000,000 should be allocated to develop this over 1-3 years. Since this is a professional-facing project it needs some professional infrastructure which we cannot reasonably crowdsource. This infrastructure includes establishing some partnerships with libraries and catalogs for journal indexing, building out some legal infrastructure, sorting out some translation for multilingual support, getting some consulting where we need expert comment which wiki conversion could not produce, staffing a community manager to administer a to-do list to amplify volunteer effectiveness, and creating a pool of travel funding for various participants to attend relevant publishing conferences in person to shop the idea around and report back with comments.

The sooner that this group makes any grant request to the Wikimedia Foundation through the grants process, the sooner that the group can evaluate its fitness to manage and apply for larger grants. I recommend applying for a $2000 rapid grant immediately to fund the creation of infrastructure and rehearse the accounting process the group has. After that, apply for 10k, then 50k, because the funding is around and it will save a lot of resources to use money rather than spend community labor and expertise on the things which are better resolved with small amounts of cash.

I especially favor using money to make this project more accessible globally. A journal in wiki is going to have several unusual advantages over any other, with one of those being able to readily tap into a multilingual global community base. From the foundation I think it would be wise to use money to facilitate multicultural participation. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bluerasberry: I completely agree with the upscaling. We've so far been cautious to gauge community opinion (via the proposal on meta) on becoming a full sister project before approaching the WMF board. However now that the grant application for 2019 is accepted we can start thinking about what the next funding steps should be after the community feedback is in. There will be plenty to work out for such large grant applications, but there's definitely a huge wish-list for WikiJournals of both technical/infrastructure items that will be useful as well as advocacy, promotion and other support. We have several people involved with experience in large grant management, but we'll definitely also need experienced wikimedians to give advice and assistance. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 05:54, 9 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree too with this upscaling. I have emailed the Affiliations Committee if they can consider a sister project application and whether we need to address additional issues at this time. I've just gotten the grant for this year approved, and I have still lots of emails to go through before being able to formulate such a new grant applications within the very near future, but I'll gladly have a look if someone else can write it. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 11:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For reference, a draft wishlist of technical features is here. Items cover a wide range of difficulty and we'll have to decide on whether their implementation is better done by requesting developer time by the WMF or by writing a grant to hire a small dev team. Indeed, we may need advice from people experienced in putting together larger grants. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:58, 31 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sister project application

As part of ensuring that the current Wikimedia community is aware of the proposal for a WikiJournal platform as a new sister project, I've notified a few locations:

  • The general Wikimedia mailing list "Wikimedia-l" (thread)
  • The Wikipedia Weekly facebook group (thread)
  • Twitter (post)
  • The most relevant WikiProjects on English Wikipedia (example)
  • Wikipedia discussion pages like featured articles, good articles, the village pump, the library
  • The main discussion location of each current sister project (example)
  • The main Wikipedian newspapers:

I've aimed to catch as broad a wikimedian audience as I can, but if I've missed anywhere please post. I only just realised I'd not posted here! T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 06:39, 9 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For The Signpost at English Wikipedia propose at en:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions when you have your draft. I will support. Blue Rasberry (talk) 09:49, 9 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Article in The Signpost now published along with shorter notes in Der Kurier and Regards sur l'actualité de la Wikimedia. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:51, 1 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As an additional route for informing the English Wikipedia community, I've suggested a 1-week Watchlist-message (wording discussion). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Notice now posted on both w:MediaWiki_talk:Watchlist-messages and wikidata:MediaWiki:Watchlist-summary. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 23:49, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Surface tension is no longer a Good Article

The Wikipedia article on Surface tension, which had been submitted to the WikiJournal of Science, severely criticized by the reviewers, and not improved by the authors, has lost its GA status as a result.

I think this shows that Wikipedians can take WikiJournals seriously. Of course it would be even better if they would use the reviews for improving the article. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 21:27, 19 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree with this as a process. If the peer reviewers identify such significant errors in the article it is important for the wp community to know. I think that the initial note in September 2018 was easy to miss, so nominating for 'good article reassessment' seems reasonable. The wp community can then check whether they agree and add tags to the page if appropriate. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 04:22, 20 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Clarification: as far as I understand nobody from WJS removed the GA status or initiated the GA reassessment. It was done by an independent Wikipedian, who saw our notice and acted on it. I am not advocating doing this ourselves. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 07:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Introducing Wikimedia Space: A platform for movement news and organizations

Hi WikiJournal User Group/Archive 2019,
I’m writing to let you know that the Community Engagement department [1]at the Wikimedia Foundation is launching a new platform, Wikimedia Space. Here, you will find stories for and by contributors to the Wikimedia movement, and a space for discussions of different topics.

We know that finding information about Wikimedia activities and processes is very complicated, which makes the learning curve to enter our movement and be successful afterwards, really steep. By centralizing community stories and conversations in one shared space, we believe we are facilitating access and discoverability of topics across the movement, improving, in turn, connections among Wikimedians.

As an affiliated organization to the Wikimedia Foundation, we hope that you can share this platform with your local community, and we count on you to encourage them to add their voices. If you’d like to contribute stories, and overall, participate in the discussion section, please read our blogging guidelines and our code of conduct and join the conversation. Find more information about the project on its page on Meta.

Looking forward to seeing you at Wikimedia Space,
María Cruz, Communications and Outreach Manager, Wikimedia Foundation.
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  1. View the department's page on Meta-Wiki.

Updating guidelines for authors and reviewers

As part of updating the guidelines for both authors and reviewers (as well as per this page and comment 102 on this page), I've created WikiJournal User Group/Guidelines/Draft. I've also copied in all of the current relevant guideline content (permalink) to see where we currently stand.

I think having matching guidelines for both authors and reviewers helps everyone be on the same page, especially noting the differences for articles intended for wikipedia integration (in whole or in part) versus original research articles. I've also contacted the author of the Cell crosstalk post to ask for some external perspective, ideas and feedback. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Evo﹠Evo: On neutrality, I see you're embracing "balance". I don't necessarily disagree, but do offer some thoughts to consider:
  • Wikipedian neutrality puts strong emphasis on balance. Relative weight is based on how mainstream ideas are; a liability of this approach is that it consistently encourages bias toward the mainstream: prevailing prejudices of the day are over-represented.
  • What alternatives may be available depends on the nature of the project. An encyclopedia has to summarize, and is generally expected to engage subjective issues (though an encyclopedia could challenge this expectation).
  • Although Wikinews does observe a weaker form of balance —aspects of a story should not be misleadingly omitted— Wikinews compensates for that weakened strategem by emphasizing attribution: avoiding subjective and controversial claims by retreating into objectively reporting that such-and-such person in the story made such-and-such claim. Thus avoiding endorsing the claim ourselves.
  • Wikijournal (reminder: avoid camel case) cannot use precisely the strategy of Wikinews; but this seems the right moment to pause and consider what might be done. Academic journals certainly do have their own version of bias-toward-the-mainstream.
--Pi zero (discusscontribs) 04:14, 28 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've now expanded the draft guidelines to a sensible starting point, so I'll be interested in people's thoughts on them. I've aimed to keep it 1000-1500 words and broadly match the assessment suggestions for reviewers with guidance for authors. We can link out to other pages for more detailed guidelines for certain topics, as ICZN guidelines (to be written) or MEDRS. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 05:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've copy-edited (loved the 'medical clams'). Agreeing with Pi zero, I've added that when there are alternative views, each must be both described and attributed to its authors. (This has the important effect of distancing WJS and indeed Wikipedia from any of the competing opinions, i.e. "not in our voice": I didn't add that but it might also be useful.) Chiswick Chap (discusscontribs) 08:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Reposed with permission from Matt Pavlovich:
Regarding accuracy, you mention that reviewers should look for recent papers that the authors may have missed, which is good. The more I think about this, the more I wonder whether the guidelines for both reviewers and authors should emphasize citing particularly impactful/seminal papers. This style of review contrasts with what we publish at Trends in that we don’t necessarily want the historical foundations of the topic, while the Wikijournal reviews might want more of this kind of content because it’s important to how the field is understood. In contrast, a lot of recent work (past few years) might overwhelm general audience readers rather than give them a coherent sense of the topic.
Regarding balance, we have a guideline that authors can of course cite their own work (after all, they’re experts in the field have ideally published good stuff) but shouldn’t explicitly refer to it as their own work with phrases like “Previously, our lab found” or “our own results showed” or whatever. I think that’s even more important here and probably deserves a mention in the author instructions.  Second, I like that you have instructions for citing news stories and preprints. As you certainly understand, but as I didn’t fully appreciate until part of the way through grad school, most media reports of science are based on published articles, so it might be worth it to more strongly encourage authors to look through news articles for the scientific publication. Finally, do you have policy for citing reviews in reviews? It might be an okay idea if the review put forward an important hypothesis for the first time, but otherwise I think research articles are better to cite.
And one little comment on accessibility, a real pet peeve of mine: I strongly recommend emphasizing in the author instructions that acronyms must be defined on their first use, unless the acronym is so widespread that it would be understood by the most general audience you can imagine reading the review. So DNA doesn’t need to be defined (and would probably confuse non-scientist readers to see it spelled out) but something as elementary as PCR probably should. It especially drives me crazy when authors put undefined acronyms in the abstract.
Matt Pavlovich via T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:27, 24 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've updated based on the remaining comments above and we can add specialist guidelines (eg ICZN-compliance) as they are written. I've moved the draft page to WikiJournal_User_Group/Guidelines, and transcluded the relevant sections to the information pages for authors and for peer reviewers. Transcluding sections from a single page means the info is all kept together to make sure author and reviewer guidelines broadly match. It's intended to reduce maintenance but if that ends up not being the case, we can just move the content to the destination pages. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:34, 2 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Op-eds in WikiJournal

I've been seeing academic journal have op-eds (or something like those). Why haven't I seen an op-ed or some kind of editorial, like the one refuting any published paper? --George Ho (discusscontribs) 21:04, 6 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you mean op-eds by the journal/editors/its representatives in public fora (newspapers?)? Could you clarify/link to some examples? Prashanthns (discusscontribs) 04:42, 7 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I found one article commentary and two more. I also found two review articles, but I don't know how "review" is used. I also found one corrigendum, one letter, and one book review. --George Ho (discusscontribs) 12:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So far we've avoided unreviewed opinion articles (other than the two published editorials). It's partly been because often such articles are not put through peer review, however the Trends journals do put their opinion articles through peer review, so it's not unheard of. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 00:44, 9 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request light feedback on Wikibooks content collection

I have a collection of 400+ student research papers published in Wikibooks. Please check them out a bit at

I am writing to ask about the extent to which users producing individual articles from this project could submit them for publication and review in WikiJournals. Feedback that I want is

  1. How close are these articles as they are now to being of the sort which WikiJournal seeks?
  2. If anyone would recommend changes to the format and style of these articles, then what quick suggestions does anyone have?

Here is some background information on this: I am staff at the Data Science Institute at the University of Virginia where my role is Wikimedian in Residence. I have a set of Wikimedia publishing and research projects, and I also support anyone at this university who has their own Wikimedia projects. I could never have expected this coming here, but there is a professor in the Engineering and Society Department who since 2010 has been having students contribute essays to Wikibooks. Going back in time, in the past some people imagined that Wikibooks could be a venue for original research and publication, much as WikiJournal here at Wikiversity has become.

I would not want to disrupt this program because obviously it works for this class with students and the school appreciating the outcomes. However, I am wondering what anyone here thinks about matching what they already do to the WikiJournal publishing process.

If we were to try this, there are classes of students who would begin writing in fall 2019 and another cohort in spring 2019. What I am imagining is giving them an option to put their paper through peer review and get published in WikiJournal if they wanted to go a bit beyond the established assignment and try to engage here. If I did this, then that would mean that WikiJournal would have to be prepared for some of the challenges which face the w:en:WP:Wikipedia Education Program in its complicated history of managing wiki / university partnerships. I have experience doing classroom outreach, but for a positive student experience, they would need to get some kind of response to WikiJournal submission. If we tried a class submission experiment, then I am expecting maximum 30 paper submissions, but probably just 10. They would all come from new users in the class. All of the paper would be about the intersection of ethics and technology, probably laying out a controversy.

Thoughts? To what extent might a collaboration be feasible to start September 2019? Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:58, 9 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not to give the impression that this is going unread :) - but I'm having some trouble evaluating this idea.
  • I'm not sure where such submissions could be situated in our spectrum of articles. If they are framed as review articles, the goal would be to integrate the result with Wikipedia; but that does not seem to feature in the choice of subjects, and possibly would run counter to the structure you are aiming for (i.e., essay form). On the other hand, they do not represent original research articles either, which is the other (non WP-connected) type this journal has so far published.
  • Processing a simultaneous influx of 10-30 articles would definitely require some prior arrangements, and in fact may well overwhelm us.
I may be overestimating these concerns. What do others think? --Florian (Elmidae) (talk · contribs) 21:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bluerasberry: Apologies for the delayed response. I think it can be reasonable to apply analogous peer review processes to Wikibook articles as to wikipedia pages. The journals have similarly experimented with peer reviewing images for commons, so it's not particularly tied just to Wikipedia (though some could actually be useful for missing Wikipedia articles or article sections, e.g. GM seed patenting)). For Wikibooks, considerations that may select for only a small percentage of students are probably:
  • Is the article already sufficiently high quality that it accurately covers a topic (whether broad or narrow in scope)
  • Is the main contributor(s) willing to follow up on the peer reviewer comments over subsequent months
From randomly sampling 25 of the articles in the two books listed above, many are quite short, not yet thoroughly enough referenced, and read a bit like student assignments. The best written ones I saw were on more niche topics (e.g. Salami Slicing and the Least Publishable Unit, World Trade as an Invasive Species Vector and Marketing of natural foods).
For the upcoming student cohorts, it might be best to identify the 1-3 most exceptional articles written by that group as test cases. Several WikiJournal articles have been submitted by undergrad or PhD students so there's certainly precedent. A couple of other possibilities to consider: groups of students collaborating on a smaller number of articles can make them of higher quality (but harder to mark); submission to a WikiJournal could be offered to the students with the top X% of marks as an initial screen for quality, however I totally understand if those don't fit with the intended structure/ethos of the class. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 06:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Authored by

[Text of email sent today]

"I was just wondering, doesn't this bit about primary author's first names and last names and and orcids seem extremely un-Wikipedian? Even though I spent two years rewriting this article from top to bottom and adding vast swaths of content, technically speaking the author(s) should be "Wikipedia editors" and then a list of every non-bot who has ever edited the page.

What has Wikimedia said about this aspect of your initiative? Aren't there licensing issues?Lingzhi2 (discusscontribs) 22:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lingzhi2: Hi. For articles submitted from Wikipedia (example), we separate out submitting author(s) and contributors. The submitting authors fulfil the ICMJE author criteria, especially "Final approval of the version to be published" and "Agreement to be accountable for all aspects of the work". Contributors are acknowledged for their work in the author list "et al" that links to a list of all non-bots and bots that have edited the article, as well as in the right hand side with "This work is adapted from the Wikipedia article XYZ.". The aim is the comply with both the scholarly requirements for authors who agree to follow the article through peer review whilst clearly acknowledging the work of the wider editor community who are not directly involved with the peer review submission (and the technical requirements of the cc by-sa license). We somewhat adapted this from the "Author information/Contributors" section of the earliest Wikipedia article put through peer review, "Dengue fever: a Wikipedia clinical review" in Open Med.. Some authors also choose to put additional thanks for other editors or FA/GA reviewers in the acknowledgements section at the end (example). The Wikimedia Foundation hasn't yet made any formal statement on the practice, but I believe we do satisfy the licensing requirements (and more importantly, I think we do right by the contributors). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The simple format change that removed the wrong "authored by", leaving the correct implication "nominated by" is a great improvement, and obviously fairer. Many thanks, Chiswick Chap (discusscontribs) 07:04, 15 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some basic questions

I have just become aware of the WikiJournal project, through a banner notification on Wikipedia of a proposal being discussed on meta. I looked at some of the existing journals here (particularly WikiJournal of Medicine), but still could not find explicit answers to some basic questions:

1. Format of the submission. Does an article need to be submitted as an editable Wiki page? If not, what other alternative submission formats are accepted? Pdf? MS-Word? LaTeX? Postscript? DVI? Something else?

2. What exactly happens with articles that were submitted to a journal as WikiJournal Preprints but eventually declined by the journal? Does the record of the fact that they had been submitted and declined remain at the preprint's page? What about peer and external reviews?

3. What happens with conflict of interest statements that involve specific personality conflicts? E.g. if the author requests that certain specific researchers NOT be used as referees for some reason? Is this information included in the article when the article is published in a journal?

4. Similar to Q1: In what formats can external reviewers submit their reviews? E.g. can they submit a PDF file? A plan text file? Or just as an editable wiki page?

Thanks a lot, Nsk92 (discusscontribs) 08:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Nsk92: Very useful feedback - indicates that we have some gaps in our information (or at least finadbility)! My responses to these are:
  1. The primary submission format is in wikimarkup (via v:WikiJPre or w:WP:JAN). We have had people submit as docx upon request, but this is sub-optimal as the editors have to reformat to markup manually. One of the items on the technical wishlist is a converter from dcox/pdf/latex to wikimarkup to ease this restriction.
  2. Declined and withdrawn articles and their peer reviews are currently kept in the equivalent of draftspace (category). This is inline with how Fronteirs journals handle similar situations and is becoming increasingly normalised with the expanding use of preprint servers (e.g. ArXiv). It is possible to delete pages upon request within Wikiversity and I suspect the same would be true of a sister project, even if rare.
  3. Currently excluded reviewers and recommended reviewers (via the authorship declaration form) are not made public knowledge. It could be possible that, in the future, reviews from reviewers who were recommended by the author could be indicated, but that'd have to be through through pretty thoroughly. In general, because excluded reviewers aren;t contacted, the COI doesn't come put, however occasionally reviewers that weren't excluded will declare a COI (via the peer review form). Response to COI declarations depends on the nature of the COI (as guided by COPE recommendations). Most declared competing interests simply need to be transparently mentioned in the article (example) or the review (example). 'Overshare' is recommended in the guidelines. However if there's a COI that unavoidably undermines an author/review/editor's role even when declared, that person may have to recuse themself from that role.
  4. External reviewers currently submit through a structured form which can include text and/or an attached pdf. These are then copied over the the article's talkpage (example). This is currently manual, but an automated solution should be possible.
T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:33, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for the above response, I much appreciate it. To me item no. 1 above basically kills the entire idea, at least for now, see my Oppose comment at the proposal's page for a more detailed explanation. Several other, less important issues that come to mind: There is a potential copyright issue (in fact more than one) regarding rejected papers. Even if a rejected paper is deleted from the server, the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license will still apply. Technically, this means that attribution to the original preprint version is required when a paper is later published somewhere else. Most journals require the authors to transfer copyright once the paper is accepted (and they require the authors to acknowledge that the authors currently hold exclusive copyrights to the paper, with some limited explicitly specified exceptions), and I have not seen any journals provide acknowledgement of prior preprint versions, even in cases where the author retained copyright. I am not sure that would actually be willing to do that. Also, if a draft preprint version of the paper remains hosted at WikiJournals, and if other users retain the ability to subsequently modify it there, that could create problems for other journals. The journals normally want to have exclusive control over the paper after it is published. If the paper continues mutating somewhere else, they might not be OK with it. Nsk92 (discusscontribs) 13:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Exclusive copyright"? Maybe... but surely not in mathematics, nor in physics; here, most articles appear on the arXiv before submission to a journal (and remain on arXiv forever, and may be modified by the author), which you surely know, being an active tenured research mathematician. Boris Tsirelson (discusscontribs) 16:44, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah, I see, your point here is, whether a journal must mention the preprint. Well, but probably we may give the authors an option to waive this. Boris Tsirelson (discusscontribs) 16:56, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
About priority. This is important for research papers. But wikijournals are oriented first of all on surveys, explanatory essays etc (though, research articles are also welcome). I've published here one survey, and submitted one explanatory essay, not bothered by priority. Boris Tsirelson (discusscontribs) 17:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The "About" pages of all three WikiJournals and the proposal currently being discussed on Meta say that journals accept both original research and survey articles. Nsk92 (discusscontribs) 18:11, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And if the focus were to shift to survey and expository articles, that would drastically reduce the pool of potential contributions. Nsk92 (discusscontribs) 18:14, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Would you be willing to support the proposal at meta:WikiJournal conditional on the WMF developing a converter from pdf and/or LaTeX to MediaWiki? I suspect that the journals will see a continuing mixture of review articles and original research articles, but whether the relative ratios of submissions changes significantly remains to be seen. Re priority: it's becoming more common for people to publish preprints specifically as scoop protection to indicate priority (examples also on meta:WikiJournal: 1 2 3). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have replied at the talk page for the proposal on meta since here the edit filter keeps blocking my posts. Nsk92 (discusscontribs) 13:23, 22 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

please remove

..Bengal Famine of 1943 from WP:JAN. I thought that my failure to fill out the various forms had stopped the process. Was I wrong?[ ... I am waiting for confirmation that JAN is acceptable to WP as a whole... tks...[User:Lingzhi2|Lingzhi2]] (discusscontribs) 12:50, 23 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lingzhi2: No problem at all. It was not yet submitted for peer review, so was in a stalled state. I have marked it as withdrawn (link). It you would additionally like the page deleted, you may nominate it here. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 02:28, 24 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Citation metrics by Dimensions and altmetrics by AltMetrics

Articles now include a link to citation metrics by Dimensions and altmetrics by AltMetrics. Example: Citation metrics & AltMetrics. I've asked a query over at mediawiki about whether embedding the badges is feasible (mw:Topic:V7zkqg3r76oc4omn). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 13:16, 25 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An experiment on the test wiki suggests that it should also be possible to embed the full badges. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:46, 26 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Director of Global Publisher Business Development for Digital Science has confirmed that the badges do not gather data on the people who either hover over the badge or click-through. The estimated costs are:
  • Dimensions badge use is free with full text XML indexing (freemium for additional analytics)
  • Altmetrics badge license costs GBP 640-800 per journal (for up to 50 articles per annum)
T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 03:17, 11 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Introducing Wikimedia Diary: A memory book (notebook) for all

Wikimedia Diary
Hello WikiJournal User Group/Archive 2019, I wanna share you about Wikimedia Diary, a public memory book (notebook) in which Wikimedians from all over the world are free to write any worth noting event/activities/experiences by them or community in this Wiki world. It is a more casual place to write about what one is up to.

As we all know, a diary is a book in which diarist keeps a daily record of events and experiences. Likewise, the basic idea of Wikimedia Diary is that we do many activities here in wiki world which we are proud of, but unfortunately it became only the history anytime. So, It is meant to record those activities on the happened date with a signature (~~~~) which is worth noting, and letting fellow Wikimedians know about what inspirational you've did. It would motivate users from all around the world to keep on cool activities and publish a note. I hope you share your activities with all of us on the page, and please let your friends know about Wikimedia Diary. Also, your feedback is welcome on the discussion page. Thank you!
Kind regards,
Tulsi Bhagat, Initiator of Wikimedia Diary, Wikimedia movement communications group.
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Introducing Wikimedia Diary: A memory book (notebook) for all

Wikimedia Diary
Hello WikiJournal User Group/Archive 2019, I wanna share you about Wikimedia Diary, a public memory book (notebook) in which Wikimedians from all over the world are free to write any worth noting event/activities/experiences by them or community in this Wiki world. It is a more casual place to write about what one is up to.

As we all know, a diary is a book in which diarist keeps a daily record of events and experiences. Likewise, the basic idea of Wikimedia Diary is that we do many activities here in wiki world which we are proud of, but unfortunately it became only the history anytime. So, It is meant to record those activities on the happened date with a signature (~~~~) which is worth noting, and letting fellow Wikimedians know about what inspirational you've did. It would motivate users from all around the world to keep on cool activities and publish a note. I hope you share your activities with all of us on the page, and please let your friends know about Wikimedia Diary. Also, your feedback is welcome on the discussion page. Thank you!
Kind regards,
Tulsi Bhagat, Initiator of Wikimedia Diary, Wikimedia movement communications group.
MediaWiki message delivery (discusscontribs) 08:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiJournals on Wikipedia's Wikiversity page

I've done a little polishing on the Wikiversity page on Wikipedia, adding a photograph (from Commons), a few words on open access in the short "WikiJournals" section, and a new "Reception" section with quotations and citations from independent sources. Project members are invited to extend the article, whether on the Wikijournals or on Wikiversity in general, especially if further sources independent of Wikimedia come to light. Chiswick Chap (discusscontribs) 11:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: Excellent idea, nicely done. Wikimedia is weirdly poor overall at at recording its history (I recently posted at Commons about how the Wikipedia article about Commons needs to be updated). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 09:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This page contains discussions of matters that are probably still in need of either an action or further discussion, but have not received additional replies over several months. Please archive relatively finished discussions (to Talk:WikiJournal User Group/Archive 3).

WikiJSci FJN application
AppliedJuly 2019
DeclinedAugust 2019

Free Journal Network

WikiJournals look like good candidates to the Free Journal Network. I would be happy to nominate them if this was not done already. Joining the network would involve displaying membership on the journals' homepages. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 21:44, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'd support this idea. It looks like a useful network of OA journals with no APF. I found a blog post about their aims here. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 23:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, I nominated the three WikiJournals. If the network is interested they will invite us and we will have to decide whether to join. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 19:53, 24 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sylvain Ribault: Greatly appreciated. Diptanshu 💬 06:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Application of WikiJSci for 2019

Deadline = 31 Dec. We will decide in December whether to apply or postpone until next year.

We have to check that WikiJSci fulfills the 'hard criteria':

  1. checkYsatisfy all 5 Fair Open Access Principles
    • checkY The journal has a transparent ownership structure, and is controlled by and responsive to the scholarly community; The journal is hosted by the nonprofit Wikimedia Foundation (within the Wikiversity project) and is published by the WikiJournal User Group. Open editorial board applications, EiC elected by board vote.
    • checkY Authors of articles in the journal retain copyright; Yes, if they have the copyright to start with. (We also accept submissions of Wikipedia content under CC-BY-SA)
    • checkY All articles are published open access and an explicit open access licence is used; CC-BY default, authors choice of
    • checkY Submission and publication is not conditional in any way on the payment of a fee from the author or its employing institution, or on membership of an institution or society; No fees whatsoever
    • checkY Any fees paid on behalf of the journal to publishers are low, transparent, and in proportion to the work carried out; No fees whatsoever
  2. checkYhave an ISSN; 2470-6345
  3. checkYhave an explicit and transparent quality assurance policy for published articles; Editorial guidelines and Public peer reviews
  4. checkYhave an explicit policy on publication ethics; Ethics Statement
  5. checkYoffer the choice of a CC licence to authors for each published article; Default CC-BY, with choice of Wikipedia-compatible OA licenses, Info for authors
  6. checkYinclude a title and abstract in English for each published article; Yes, for both HTML and PDF versions
  7. checkYhave a website that clearly lists all information required for FJN to determine whether the criteria above are satisfied; Combination of Ethics Statement, Editorial guidelines, and About page
  8. checkYhave been in existence for at least 12 months and published 5 papers in the last 12 months, or have been in existence for at least 6 months and published at least 10 papers in the last 6 months; WikiJSci now eligible, as well as WikiJMed

Additional 'soft criteria'

  1. checkYinternational nature of editorial board and authors; Highly multinational board and authors
  2. checkYmembership of DOAJ, SciElo, etc, or indexing by Scopus, etc; Indexed by DOAJ, GScholar and Informit. Scopus application in progress
  3. checkYdealing with original research as understood by the steering committee; Mostly focussed on review articles, however able to process original research as per Ethics Statement and Public peer guidelines

Fair Open Access Alliance

@Mikael Häggström, Evolution and evolvability, and Fransplace: I would request you to apply to apply to join The Fair Open Access Alliance by emailing them. This would further qualify the WikiJournals to qualify for membership of Free Journal Network for which @Sylvain Ribault: has already placed a nomination as mentioned here although the list of journals under consideration does not reveal our entry. Requesting you to set your timelines to early 2019 for a fresh application or follow-up communication with them. Diptanshu 💬 18:30, 21 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Forgot to make a note here earlier. I contacted in Dec 2018. They notified me that their work is for converting subscription journals over to Fair Open Access, and that FJN ( is the relevant place for OA journals to apply. This is useful in at least focussing us back on on prepping an application for FJN since WikiJSci now hits the minimum existence and publication number requirements. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 00:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The response from the FJN regarding WikiJournals is:

"I will have to decline for 2019, but this does not prevent you from reapplying in future. It is too early for us to tell how this journal will turn out: the nonstandard nature of the editorial board and the relatively small amount of original research are definite concerns for the more traditional members."
Reposed with permission. So we may reapply as the journals continue to grow, but it may be quite dependent on number of original research articles, which is currently not a focus of the journals. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 20:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Which posts to boost?

I have now received the grant money for the budget of 2018. I have paid the Crossref membership, and will pay for the domain names when it's time to do so.

Also, our request for an additional $400 to promote key posts (especially on Facebook) was also granted. Those Facebook pages are located at:

Now, which posts are we interested in boosting? Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 20:17, 10 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'd guess the best use of promoting funds would be to boost posts about new content. That would be my first priority. Penny Richards (discusscontribs) 20:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The WikiJournal of Humanities doesn't have a first issue yet, so I think it would make sense to boost a call for papers. The concept is a little difficult to understand at first so I would emphasize how academics can get published for greatly improving Wikipedia. Rachel Helps (BYU) (discusscontribs) 16:04, 12 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree. This is something we understand, but there are many out there to whom this is something new. Do we have a quick and concise primer to share about writing an article for a Wiki Journal - maybe directed to the unaware, non-wiki folks, or even non-believers? Perhaps that would be something good to share on social media. Jackiekoerner (discusscontribs) 18:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bylaws changes

Following a vote to remove a board member, I'm proposing the following changes to the Bylaws of each journal:

  • Votes to remove an editorial board member should have a specified duration, allowing time for people to notice the event. Rather arbitrarily, I suggest 5 days. Thus, the addition to the "Removal" section of the bylaws of WikiJournal and each individual journal would for example be "An Official may be removed by a majority of votes among people in an electorate as specified in ARTICLE III, Section 4, counting after at least 5 days of voting."
  • While we are updating the bylaws, I suggest that we rename the "WikiJournal Council" to the "Administrative board" of WikiJournal, to clarify that it focuses on admin tasks such as financials, Internet domain names and technical maintenance of the project, allowing the editorial boards to focus on the subjects of their expertise. I also suggest that we create a separate email list for members of this group. Still, important matters such as the content of the next grant proposal will be posted to editorial boards as well. And of course people can join both the admin and editorial boards.

As per current bylaws, eligible voters are:

  • 1. Current WikiJournal Council Members.
  • 2. Current members of any Editorial Board of WikiJournals
  • 3. Peer reviewers of WikiJournals who have completed at least one peer review.
  • 4. Registered Wikiversity users with at least 30 edits to WikiJournal pages.
  • 5. Not an individual voting for herself/himself.

Votes can be made here, or emailed to the public email list of the journal:
Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 12:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Result: Bylaws updated. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 06:35, 22 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
thank you for update!--Ozzie10aaaa (discusscontribs) 10:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for further amendment

  • Mikael and other EiCs: I would request for another update to the by-laws (after discussion). I propose that a rule be introduced that the scope of any vote on the WikiJournal boards should not be modified after the voting process has begun. In other words, the scope of a vote would be limited to that defined at the onset of the vote and a re-voting would need to be initiated in case the scope needs to be changed/updated subsequently. Diptanshu 💬 18:27, 7 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Diptanshu. Perhaps these are better suited for the WikiJournal User Group/Ethics statement. I think it follows the bylaws that once the vote no longer seems to be about the original proposal, a new vote is mandated, and anyone may demand that during the course of a vote. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 05:47, 6 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Mikael, you have rightly pointed out that these would perhaps be more relevant for the Ethics statement. Anyway, the purpose of the communication was to make you aware of the issues. If you feel them relevant, I would request you to take them into consideration and to get them implemented in whatever form you deem fit. You have adequately addressed the voting issue I raised. I have already included the rest in the Code of Conduct I have proposed. You can take it up from there. Diptanshu 💬 04:49, 7 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reviewing Wikipedia articles through WikiJournals

As of now, the authors need to declare their authorship in case they wish to publish their article on WikiJournals. This method of declaration is standard for academic journals and the process ensures that any liabilities pertaining to an article is borne by somebody who submits the article. Following standard practice the same is applied when reviewing a Wikipedia article through WikiJournals. The process mandates that the primary author(s) or significant contributors submit such an article on WikiJournals for it to be considered through the editorial process. However, I feel that such a process might not be essential for an Wikipedia article.

  • When contributing to an Wikipedia article the authors essentially consent to publishing the contents under CC-BY-SA which automatically makes the content freely available for use and reuse under a compatible license, the only catch being the obligation to provide credits to the author while making use of the contents. The contents of a particular version of an Wikipedia article should therefore essentially be available for publication in WikiJournals without the requirement of further approval from the authors. They therefore need not separately declare that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.
  • The originality of the article contents is essentially ensured by the policies of Wikipedia which ensure that there is no copyvio. The authors do not need to declare the same for the publication in WikiJournals. In any case the same would eventually get re-ensured while the article goes through the editorial and review process.
  • The contibutions of each author remains documented through the history tab of an Wikipedia article. The same should serve as an adequate documentation of authorship.
  • No single contributor can be the sole author of an Wikipedia article although the respective person can be sole author till a particular version of an Wikipedia article. Even in such a case the process does not obligatorily require
  • Who will undertake the task of updating the article in accordance to the suggestions obtained through the review process? Since anybody can edit an Wikipedia, anyone can make the requisite changes, irrespective of whether they have been prior contributors to the article in question. I assume that they can also be participants of the WikiJournal boards. However, for neutrality issues, that contributor should mandatorily volunteer out from the editorial process for the given article. In other words, with respect to a given article, you can either be a contributor to the article, or to the editorial board, not both.
  • A clear policy needs to be determined about how to represent the authors with pseudonyms (in case real names are not available) and when one or more of the significant contributors are unregistered IPs.
  • In case no corresponding author is available, the correspondence for the given article can be addressed through the talk page of the given article.
  • A transparent note for each of the processes, starting from selection of the given article for review and publication through WikiJournals, the inputs from the reviewers, etc. upto the final note of approval or rejection by the board after the process, should be placed mandatorily on the talk page of the given article. A note also needs to be left on the talk pages of at least the top 5 contributors of the article in question, urging the contributors to participate in the review process for the article.
  • A clear policy needs to be formed about the optimal response time between leaving a note on a talk page, and the next step.

My proposal may be freely discussed and based on the consensus the by-laws of the WikiJournals may be updated accordingly. Diptanshu 💬 18:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The issue of authorship is one of the two 'vital issues' that I think deserve a permanent discussion page, see here. It is indeed not obvious who can be considered an author, and whether we need an author for working on a Wikipedia article. However, before we start investing editors and reviewers' time in a submission, we need some guarantee that someone will work on the article. Having already made major contributions is the best guarantee we can think of. On the other hand, there is no requirement for WikiJournal board members to be proficient contributors to Wikipedia, so I am not sure we can trust ourselves to act as corresponding authors. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 18:58, 9 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

PS: There is now a permanent page for suggestions on this issue. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 20:11, 10 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree that having specific corresponding authors submit articles is important. For example, I think the BMJ organised experts to peer reviewer the Parkinson's disease Wikipedia page (here). However, because nobody was specifically designated as a corresponding author, it took a long time for the recommendations of the reviewers to be implemented by wikipedia editors and may have been off-putting for the BMJ after they had put in the effort to organise review. My preference is to prioritise expansion/overhaul of stub/absent articles (example, example) by contacting non-wikipedian experts in topics that are currently under-developed in Wikipedia. However, WikiJournals could certainly have enhanced presence on Wikipedia with more targeted instructions for how to submit high-quality Wikipedia articles for review, analogous to GA and FA review options. Perhaps an update and reorganisation of the w:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/WikiJournal page. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 13:01, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Having non-Wikipedian experts write new Wikipedia articles or improve poor articles is indeed the ultimate goal. However, it seems easier to begin with having Wikipedians submit a few existing good articles. These articles can then be pointed to the non-Wikipedian experts, as examples of what we do. The lack of such examples in my field is the reason why I am reluctant to try recruiting non-Wikipedian experts at the moment. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 20:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Which brings me to the question: how do we convince Wikipedians to submit good articles? What has been attempted with this template looks like the right idea, but the results do not seem compelling. Maybe we should fine-tune the message and the venue? Going to talk pages of specific articles and users, rather than WikiProjects? Something along the lines 'constructive expert feedback, academic recognition for your work, free journal: please submit your article(s)'. Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 21:00, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For biologist Wikipedians who also edit under their real names, I've had some success with contacting via their faculty email address. Recent GA/FA authors are certainly prime options. Identifying high-quality B-class articles that have highly-engaged current editors is much harder. Approaching WikiEdu course organisers also seems like a possible longer-term avenue. I'm in talks with an academic at my university about getting 20-40 Masters students to all work on different sections of a single article and submit it with oversight from a couple of more senior researchers. The other backup option is that it is for one or two editorial board members to submit articles to the journals (though it is not ideal, and should be a small final minority of articles). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:51, 13 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thomas, after I can manage some time I myself would be taking up the task of shortlisting B class medical articles, updating them, and submitting them for review through WikiJMed (definitely after contacting the significant authors). I would also contact the significant contributors to Wiki Project Med articles and try to team up with them for the task. My not being on the board any more is an additional advantage that I now enjoy and let me heartily thank you (and the participating members) for the same. Diptanshu 💬 17:12, 20 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have started writing a template for inviting submissions from Wikipedia. I would appreciate some feedback, and some help in writing the 'How to submit' section. Some questions: should submitters be logged in to Wikiversity? could copying a Wikipedia article be automated? Sylvain Ribault (discusscontribs) 20:37, 21 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nice. I think that the Wikimedia accounts system should be merged so that you can log into any WMF site using the same login. I like your idea of including both an example of an accepted and rejected paper. I agree that an advert to go on article talk pages should have light formatting like this (rather that the more heavily formatted 2017 adv for wikiprojects). Wikipedia articles can just be copy-pasted, into the submission page with the only problem being that the wikilinks have to be updated using the find-replace tool to change [[link]] to [[w:link|link]]. Alternatively, it's also possible for a wikiversity admin to Special:Import a page from Wikipedia so we could set up a location where ppl could just adding their username and wikipedia article to a list that is watched by a few of the WikiJournal editors with 'custodian' rights. Step-by step submission instructions for Wikipedia articles should def be added to the w:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/WikiJournal page too. I'll help with some further updates over the next week. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 12:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've written what I hope is a clear and concise set of instructions for Wikipedians wishing to submit existing Wikipedia articles.
Any ideas/inputs welcome (especially by experienced Wikipedians). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 03:09, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Thomas for your efforts. This was needed. I will see what I can do to contribute. Diptanshu 💬 10:16, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Articles that pass peer review are also have a stable, citable..." — should "are" be here?
" you assert that you: The article is of a high standard" — you the article?   :-)   Boris Tsirelson (discusscontribs) 04:43, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Tsirel: Thanks! I've fixed both errors now. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 22:55, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nominating Wikipedia articles for WikiJournal

I misunderstood the requirements and have already nominated a few prospective submissions at Wikipedia:WikiJournal article nominations. There is a difference between nomination and submission. I think that anybody should be able to propose articles for the purpose. In that case they would have to take the responsibility of communicating with the authors who have contributed significantly to the article. If the respective author(s) agree, the highest contributor can act as the corresponding and first author. If that is not the case, the eager author can choose to be the corresponding author.

If the above is agreed upon, w:Template:WikiJournal header needs to be suitably updated. The current page assumed nomination and submission to be equivalent. Thomas, please do the needful. Diptanshu 💬 13:24, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think it is best to suggest an article by adding a journal-specific version of WJS_invitation_2018 template to its talkpage. However I think we should avoid organising peer review for articles where the authors have not committed to addressing the reviewer comments. I'd certainly support if either Doc James or Ozzie10aaaa wished to submit one of their articles! Perhaps starting with one or two to begin with. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 23:17, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ozzie10aaaa has consented to take up Dyslexia, West African Ebola virus epidemic and Hepatitis E for submission to Wiki.J.Med. Let me work with them and see how we can take it ahead. Diptanshu 💬 04:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The current process of nomination practically equates to submission. The process have not generated a single submission so far (except for the submissions subsequently authored by some board member) till I tweaked the process and three submissions followed. In fact another author has privately contacted me about the submission of another article that I had proposed. However, by that time, the entire list has been removed vide this edit without even adding them to newly added archival page. I do not see why it was necessary or where the intermediate listing of prospective articles should be done. I would propose on altering the process. Diptanshu 💬 12:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My step of searching out prospective Wikipedia articles and considering them for submission to WikiJournals (Wiki.J.Med as of now) has yielded three submissions and I am enthusiastic that more would come out of it. However, the editorial board members are reluctant to even keep the list in place. There needs to be a place to process such a list. I have created w:User:Diptanshu Das/WikiJournal article nominations wherein I will proceed with the same. I would invite all others to feel freeto contribute to the page. Diptanshu 💬 18:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think it's a good idea to keep the w:Wikipedia:WikiJournal article nominations page to have just the ones to be imported and to have peer review organisation begun othersise it would quickly get unmanageable. If you make a medicine equivalent of w:Template:WJS_invitation_2018 to place on talkpages, those articles can be easily tracked (see this example list). The editorial boards also maintain a hitlist of high quality Wikipedia articles to invite for submission, and absent/stub/start articles to invite non-wikipedian experts to write articles on. I've also started updating w:WP:W2J and w:WP:J2W to better reflect what is currently going on (the previous pages were about out of date). T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:19, 7 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have created w:Category:WikiJournal to consolidate the relevant pages on Wikipedia. Since the editorial boards also have their own list of prospective articles for consideration of review through the WikiJournals, I invite them to add them to Wikipedia:List of prospective Wikipedia articles for review through WikiJournals for intermediary processing. Subsequently I intend table the list with check-marks to be inserted for every stage of processing (say, leaving message on talk page of authors, corresponding author identified, and so on). Diptanshu 💬 07:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Location of reviews for Wikipedia articles being reviewed through WikiJournal

I would propose that instead of importing a particular version of the given article to WikiJournal Preprints, the entire process be carried out on Wikipedia, and only the final version be imported to WikiJournal Preprints and subjected to editorial judgment. In other words, I propose that the review suggestions be placed on the talk page of the given article and the updates be placed accordingly. The details of the review process can therafter be suitably copied to the talk page of the WikiJournal article on Wikiversity. Diptanshu 💬 13:04, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If that is agreed upon, the requisite templates would need to be adapted for the Wikipedia articles or talk pages. Diptanshu 💬 13:06, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I support the preference of having authors edit Wikipedia, and even having the peer review of such Wikipedia content, before copying to a WikiJournal page. In such cases, we don't need to redo the Wikipedia edits after article acceptance. I've added this as at least an alternative at the bottom of WikiJournal_User_Group/Publishing#Publication_formats. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 20:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Authorship of Wikipedia articles for WikiJournal

It needs to be decided about the format of authorship of Wikipedia articles that are reviewed through WikiJournals. I am referring to the authorship metadata in international journal format (for eg. as listed on pubmed). As I understand, it consists of two fields viz. last name and first name. In such a case how do we intend to fit a link for the et al list of authors? Perhaps we need to give it a thought. Diptanshu 💬 17:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mikael Häggström, Evolution and evolvability, and Fransplace: Have you given it a thought as to how the contributors in et al are to be credited for their contributions to Wikipedia articles that are reviewed through WikiJournals? One option could be to put the link in the 'last' field but I do not think that to be appropriate. Diptanshu 💬 19:00, 17 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Social media activity of WikiJournals

WikiJournal twitter accounts

Below are summarised recent suggestions by Diptanshu Das sent to the wikijournal-en mailing list:

  • WikiJMed twitter should promote the recent WikiJournal interview
  • WikiJournal twitter accounts should consider applying for verified status via @verification to improve credibility

Copied from mailing list by T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:43, 9 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since only a small number of members from each journal control each social media account (twitter and facebook). I have made a test form that could be used for people (including article authors) to suggest possible social media posts. It would have to be monitored by those in charge of each journal's social media profile.
I don`t know enough about twitter verification to know whether it is worth the effort at this stage. Others with more twitter knowledge will have to make the call on this one. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Currently the verification process is closed till they develop their systems further. I would urge you to be on the lookout in case a future scope arises. Diptanshu 💬 19:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Facebook verification

@Mikael Häggström, Evolution and evolvability, and Fransplace: The facebook pages for the respective WikiJournals can still get the verified badge. I would request you to apply for the same. Diptanshu 💬 18:37, 21 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Did anybody have a look? It should be rather easy to obtain and would hardly take up any resources. Diptanshu 💬 10:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Twitter handles to follow

@Mikael Häggström, Evolution and evolvability, and Fransplace: I propose that the following twitter accounts be followed by each of the WikiJournal twitter accounts: Free Journal Network @freejournalnet, DOAJ @DOAJplus, Open Science @openscience, Open Access Tracking Project @oatp, Unpaywall @unpaywall ‏TheWikipediaLibrary @WikiLibrary, WikiResearch @WikiResearch, SHARE @SHARE_research, ScienceOpen @Science_Open, ScholarlyHub @ScholarlyHub, Scholarly Commons @in4open, Scholarly Commons @ScholrlyCommons, PLOS Blogs @PLOSBlogs, OpenTrials @opentrials, Open Culture @openculture, OpenCon @open_con, Open Access Network @OA_Network, OA Directory @OADirectory, Liberate Science @libscie. You can check the pages each of these pages follow and act further.

Other followable ones could be Wiki Project Med @WikiProjectMed, PLOS Medicine @PLOSMedicine, Search Engine BASE @BASEsearch, Sci Hub @Sci_Hub, Right to Research @R2RC, PubMed Commons @PubMedCommons, Publons @Publons, Altmetric @altmetric.

Sometimes relevant tweets from these accounts can be re-tweeted. Sometimes you can direct one or more of these in tweets that we make. This will enable the followers of those respective twitter handles be able to view the concerned tweet that we made. A list of hashtags like #openaccess can be added wherever relevant. Such an action will make our tweet show up whenever users search for that particular hashtag. Diptanshu 💬 19:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rationale of removal from facebook admin

@Mikael Häggström, Evolution and evolvability, and Fransplace:

Impact of post by DD
Impact of post by TS

Till a few days back I was an admin of the facebook profile of Wiki.J.Med. I was removed from the adminship on November 1, 2018, 7:14pm (IST) without any communication from EiCs or from the boards of the WikiJournals. Since I am no longer on the board of Wiki.J.Med, I am ok with it. However, I do have certain issues with the way it has been effected.

  • I feel that it is a common courtesy to at least inform the user of such a development, if not to discuss with them. I see that common courtesy lacking. I think that the EiCs need to ensure that such an act of common courtesy with respect to any participant does not get ignored. I hope that they would admit that exhibiting respect is very important.
  • Since I am no longer on the board of Wiki.J.Med it should be ok not to keep me on the adminship any longer but since that did not happen alongside my removal from the board (the scope of that vote did not extend to adminship of facebook profile), I assume that the recent removal should either have been on the basis of a recent consensus from the boards or due to some definite disruptive action from my side. I am keen to know what exactly happened.
  • As far as I understand, my last action of posting this on the facebook profile of Wiki.J.Med was more constructive than destructive. In fact, it was making a significant impact that the combined actions of the three boards could not make. As of 19 October 2018 it had reached 1928 people, had 44 engagements and 108 clicks. This was in sharp contrast to that post reaching 16 people, had 0 engagements and 2 clicks, on the same day. Yet, my act was met with criticism. I assume that my private inputs to the EiCs (truncated below) or the ones publicly placed (as above) were far from disruptive. I may be wrong, but in a collaborative project like this, it perhaps makes more sense to make use of interested and competent contributors rather than to remove them. I am keen to learn the rationale of the EiCs or the editorial boards. Diptanshu 💬 19:05, 6 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Email 'Social media posts' from Diptanshu Das to the editors-in-chief

Dr. Diptanshu Das Fri 19 Oct, 23:01 to Mikael, Thomas, FRANCES

Dear Mikael and others

I have not formally apologised for posting on the social profile of WikiJMed without prior discussion with the board. Furthermore, I later observed that my post was actually a duplicate of a former one (by Thomas) which somehow I had missed while making the post. Nevertheless, if you look at the outreach statistics for each of the two posts (see the screenshots below), there is a striking contrast between mine and that of Thomas. The purpose of this email is to convey that posting on the social profile is not enough. A strategic effort needs to go into it. As a first step I had shared it with the Wikipedian, Wikimedian and Open Access groups that I am a part of. The next step would have been to research into the overlapping scope of other groups that I am not a member of, and to share there after joining. The subsequent step would have been to research into the academic groups where such a thing would have been contexual, to join them and to share there. I would have done that but by then JK and others started having issues (something I have considered as discrimination, driven by ego, and not originating from sincere thoughts for the well-being of the wikijournals) and I stopped going ahead with it. In fact I had requested for the post to be boosted (check my email) but no such thing was done.

I would request the EiCs to take the pains of executing the steps that otherwise I myself would have taken, and also to boost the post. Also take a note that disruptive and authoritarian steps by certain members of the boards is acting in a direction contrary to the best interests of the journals and letting them go uninhibited is perhaps reinforcing their actions.

Regards Diptanshu

Email 'Social media promotional strategy for WikiJournals' from Diptanshu Das to the editors-in-chief

Dr. Diptanshu Das <> Sat 20 Oct, 00:08 to Mikael, Thomas, Frances, Gwinyai, wijoumed

Dear EiCs

Perhaps you could consider using the social media profiles (Fb and Twitter) to post materials like (seemingly unrelated but interesting news nevertheless) and then adding something like 'if have an interesting academic finding that you would like to publish, consider publishing in WikiJournals as they are free for you to publish in, and free for the reader as well'... something of that sort. I am thinking out loud. Fine tuning of the idea is needed.

Please note that just posting from the social handle would not be enough. They need to be clubbed with appropriate hashtags which match the interests of our target audience, be directed to suitable twitter handles, or need to be shared to groups who might be prospective authors, readers or contributors of some sort. This needs to be done efficiently, contextually and meaningfully such that it does not resemble spamming.

Specific strategic thinking would be needed prior to that. Target groups need to be identified. A taskforce of interested contributors need to be formed who would join the social groups of certain types and periodically post or share there. One person is not enough. Contributors need not be board members but till now the utilization of non-board members by WikiJournals has been rather poor. Plans to boost specific posts needs to follow but sharing strategically has much greater implication.

This email may be shared with the boards if the EiCs feel. Nevertheless, not sure how productive board members would be in the matter.

Regards Diptanshu

Hi All, I think Diptanshu has brought up a great point. It seems as though we don’t have any sort of protocol or process to follow when someone is removed from the Board. Perhaps we should discuss that just in case another removal comes to pass. I will open another discussion below. Best, Jackiekoerner (discusscontribs) 18:11, 26 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jackiekoerner: there is something known as 'serendipity' where something fruitful comes out of something otherwise unintended. As per my understanding we treasure serendipitous developments. Not removing my social media admin access was something inadvertent but when some previously unachieved development emerged from it, it perhaps makes more sense to preserve and develop on such a serendipitous development rather than shunning it just because it was not a part of the original plan. I feel protocols are good but insightfulness is something far more valuable. Don't you agree with me? Diptanshu 💬 09:10, 2 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jackiekoerner: I thought that you would reply. Do you find my points valid? Diptanshu 💬 05:24, 28 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Strategy session for the boards

In the context of my proposal above, I would insist on:

  • periodic strategy sessions for the boards.
  • The strategy sessions are to be held transparently through online discussion fora and do not require the board members to meet.
  • If held through online video collaboration like google hangouts (only after the initial work-up), a record for the same needs to be maintained using items like youtube rendition of the same and/or etherpad listing of the same.
  • Define a particular periodicity for strategy sessions between board members of the respective groups, and thereafter in unision. I propose an annual periodicity.
  • Define specific timelines for the strategy sessions. I propose January or December. As per previous indication August is possibly the best time for this. A vote for the month of choice can be done with each person putting one mark for each month they feel they can get involved in (max 12 marks per member). The month with highest number of votes would be selected for upcoming sessions.
  • Typically this strategy session should precede a budget allocation/application for grant since the latter needs to be based on the former.
  • If the timeline of a strategy session is defined in advance, the members can gather their thoughts and make a submission (in transparent manner) prior to the actual session of brainstorming.
  • The purpose of the strategy sessions is to clearly delineate strategy/ies to be executed in order to realise the mission of WikiJournals.
    • Let me add that the mission of WikiJournal is to publish scholarly works with no cost for the authors, apply quality checks on submissions by expert peer review, and make accepted works available on the Internet free of charge, in perpetuity.

Kindly note: Mission is a general statement of how you will achieve the vision. Strategies are a series of ways of using the mission to achieve the vision. Goals are statements of what needs to be accomplished to implement the strategy. Objectives are specific actions and timelines for achieving the goal.

A demo goal statement for WikiJMed could be:

  • Get indexed in Pubmed

The corresponding objective would be:

  • Get 40 submissions at least

The strategy for the same needs to be defined. That is the purpose of the strategy sessions. I have already communicated a very basic version of social media strategy for the same in a separate email to the EiCs. The rest is supposed to occur at the strategy sessions I propose. Diptanshu 💬 11:04, 20 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is to add that my proposal is similar to the manner by which Wikimedia board of trustees convene. This is in conjunction with the existing method by which the boards of various WikiJournals interact. Diptanshu 💬 15:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I congratulate T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo) and other members for the first meeting held in the direction I had pointed. I believe that with time their productivity would increase even further. Diptanshu 💬 15:58, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Conflict of Interest Policy

@Mikael Häggström, Evolution and evolvability, and Fransplace:, Could you have a look at the following links

and see if our Conflict of Interest Policy can be updated. Diptanshu 💬 16:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Code of Conduct

This discussion refers to this draft guideline: Code of conduct draft

I have proposed Code of conduct document to serve as an add-on to the existing Bylaws and the ethics statement of WikiJournals. This because the existing documents do not adequately address the issues concerning a well defined Code of Conduct of Editorial board members although that of other participants like authors and peer-reviewers has been adequately addressed. The proposed document has been developed by me in accordance to the requirements as stated by COPE and is also mandated by the ICMJE and WikiJournals abide by both. The document has been partially derived from this and this document of the Wikimedia Foundation. The document may be freely discussed here, modified and accepted by the existing board members. Unless opposed significantly, this document should automatically implemented in 10 days from the date of proposal. The periodicity of revision of the existing documents and processes needs to be decided upon. After implementation the Editorial board members would need act in accordance to the stated Code of Conduct. The scope of the document can be extended to the Associate editors as well but as of now the WikiJournals have not been able to make best use of them. If needed, that can be done as an amendment, but after a separate and independent discussion. Diptanshu 💬 10:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OhanaUnited too has stressed upon the significance of such a reform with regards to community safety. Subsequently a vote for consensus was opened for 10 days between 15 November 2018 and 25 November 2018.

Summary of vote

By the end of stipulated period (the archived results including the form of discussion on that date) there were two votes, both in favour of implementation of the Code of Conduct. During this period T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo) and Mark independently reviewed the document and pointed out salient points in the document during this period. No objection or opposition was received during this period. However, T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo) subsequently felt (on 26 November 2018) that it reasonable to extend the discussion time to give people more time to comment given the significance of such a document if it gets ratified. Fresh voting may be re-opened by the EiCs (in case they feel required) after the document has been reviewed and the editing is completed. Portions of the discussion (that might not be very relevant at the moment) have been collapsed since the discussion was becoming excessively lengthy to browse through. The EiCs may feel free to subsequently collapse other segments once they think that the purpose of the respective segment has been dealt with. Responses by some users have been split into segments (when they contained multiple points bundled together) to ease discussion based on each of the components in concern. Users are requested to put in their responses parametrically (rather than grouping number of items together) so that each of these parameters can be discussed such that meaningful modifications can be made to the existing document for betterment. The other option of course is for somebody else to prepare an independent document from the scratch, if one is eager to volunteer for it. I doubt if the latter is a practical option though. Diptanshu 💬 11:48, 16 December 2018 (UTC) updated Diptanshu 💬 04:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC) de-collapsed/de-truncated Diptanshu 💬 13:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As of now, considerations regarding the document can be grouped into two broad categories:

  • Whether any Code of Conduct needs to be defined and implemented
  • Salient updates that need to be made to the existing draft
Why a Code of Conduct needs to be formulated - A personal perspective
  • WikiJournal is not only a community based effort, it involves formation of new communities. Wiki.J.Med established a culture and I have been a part of it in the past. Subsequently Wiki.J.Sci and Wiki.J.Hum have come up. Subsequently others like Wiki.J.Economics or may be Wiki.J.Politics would be coming up. The backgrounds are entirely different. So what are the commonalities we would like to retain or infuse into the newly formed communities, or do we let them take their own course irrespective of any guidelines? Would they even need to maintain the standards of an academic journals or would they be free to do whatever they wish? A Code of Conduct will help in laying down the guidelines about what is expected of a WikiJournal.
  • There is no authoritarian regime that will maintain standards. The varied backgrounds and thought processes of the members of independent communities are likely to vary significantly. Therefore a common ground needs to be defined so that people can work in unison and harmony. A code of conduct will help in forming a common set of guidelines for the same.
  • Over the last six months or so I have observed several irregularities on the part of multiple board members that I consider not to be up to the culture that can be expected to be prevalent in a WikiJournal community. Interestingly a number of them are not even aware that their behavior might need some fine tuning. So who will define what is acceptable and what is not? A 'Code of Conduct' can ensure that without implicating individuals in a fault-finding manner.

- Diptanshu 💬 05:18, 28 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why you should get involved in fool-proofing the Code of Conduct?
  • If you consider yourself to be a part of the WikiJournal initiative (in whatever form), the onus of betterment of the culture lies upon you. If you do not help it improve there is no one on whom automatically the responsibility can be automatically implicated. Surely you can involve others, but in a community based initiative like this things are not supposed to happen on its own.
  • There has been no opposition to the requirement of a Code of conduct, either during the voting period or till date. So, it can be assumed that sooner or later a Code of conduct will be ratified, and that too is likely to happen in a finite time period. If you find something in the existing draft of Code of conduct, now is the time to discuss and sort it out, else what you find objectionable would become applicable to you unless you help in getting the appropriate changes made.
  • Ever edited Wikipedia? Have you seen somebody complain 'This article is too short', 'This article is too long', 'This article is unfocussed' etc.? If you think that the present state of the article concerns you, fix it, or involve others constructively to help the article get fixed. The same applies to the proposed Code of Conduct draft. If you find a gap, identify it, discuss it, work on it, fix it. Fault-finding would not help. Opposing will not help, raise the concern, discuss the problem by defining it in solvable terms, solve the problem meaningfully.
  • Like Wikipedia, anybody can edit the Code of conduct draft. So, if you find a scope to contribute, why would you not?

- Diptanshu 💬 05:20, 28 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I request users to raise their concerns and to raise them in the the appropriate section so that further improvements to the existing draft can be made. Diptanshu 💬 11:48, 16 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Eligible voters

Eligible voters were (and would be if the voting reopens)
  1. Current Editorial Board Members and Associate Members.
  2. Authors who have submitted at least one article to any of the WikiJournals.
  3. Peer reviewers who have completed at least one peer review.
  4. Wikiverstity Editors with at least 30 edits to WikiJournal pages.

The EiCs may extend or modify the scope in case they feel any particular important segment to have been inadvertently included or excluded. During the period of next 10 days, the document will also open to discussion on each of the individual clauses and modification can be suggested. In case changes are suggested, the users would have the option to re-opine in order to finalize the consensus. Diptanshu 💬 19:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)Reply