User talk:Cormaggio

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Unschooling

I've updated the course description. I saw your comments on the talk page. Any thoughts? As a side note I also created Learning by failing. -- darklama  17:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Reflection and Evaluation

Hi Cormaggio,

I've just finished a course on Evaluation, and I think that your work on reflection is much more clear to me now as a component of Evaluation. I'm going to start to clean up the Adult Education resources a bit, but I was wondering if you had and Topics on Reflection or writings on it outside of Wikiversity. There isn't much in the Adult Ed space here, so I'm sure the eval pieces will be a nice complement. Historybuff 16:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

hello!

How have you been? How did your thessis go? Drop by irc sometime and say hello! --mikeu ^talk 12:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Copyright problem with Image:Great Firewall Wikiversity block.jpg

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Crochet.david 18:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Frustration with Wikiversity

Dear Sir: I chose you at random not knowing how to contact any body at Wikiversity. My apologies for this.

I think the concept of Wikiversity is great. It seems to me to be designed predominantly for "young folks" intimately familiar with computers. I tried the last about 2 weeks to begin developing a curriculum that I felt might be of interest to a community - some community. however despite spending a considerable time trying to penetrate the mysteries of the WV setup -language, etc i feel that i have to spend more time in putting the "" stuff" on then creating it. I do believe that better - more concise tutorials and editor guidelines might be very welcome. ( I do not see how I casual reader/ visitor is encouraged to participate in a certain topic) I taught myself Html, and I became quite proficient in using the "TiddlyWiki markup language. I each case the learning curve seemed to have been substantially shorter than here. If you have any suggestions please let me know. Again I think what you ( as a group/ organization) are doing is laudable and I hope that I might be able to contribute. If not we will have to chaulk it up to the onset of Alzheimer's disease . In that case not a real loss to anyone Thank you for your time Altera vista 01:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

User rename request

Would you please check the username page for my request on changing userame? C.I. 17:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Project incubator

Please check Wikiversity:Project_incubator for an update on HHF. I'd really appreciate your help in setting up the project or atleast looking it over once in a while. --Dharav ^talk 12:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

No I have not been coordinating with anyone else, that is one reason why nothing much has happened with the project. I know that the project will create a lot of structure, but when I thought of structuring it - I assumed an initial categorization of 1000+ questions/discussions.

This'll help, because apart from the direct goal of helping out people, this forum will help create a lot of content for wikibooks and wikiversity. Ideas come from discussions. I don't think any one will have a lot of incentives working all by himself. But when the same person sees a big community, it's characteristics and everything - he knows what exactly will help. He knows that his work is needed by someone at the very moment.

It's different from Help desk not in the content/concept. It is different in terms of the expected volumes. Expected depends on how well we market the project. You can checkout information regarding IIT-JEE, AIEEE, AIPMT and AFMC. These are examinations that are taken by a huge number of students in India. The education is all haywired, particularly because students do not do muh productive work in school and instead rely on coaching centers/Rot schools which dish uninteresting education.

There's a lot that can be done with this. I am sure I can attract a lot of people from the demographic that I just mentioned. If they come and see wikiversity's involvement in teaching them (ofcourse, those exams are based purely on highschool syllabus), they'd be excited about it all - mainly because wikiversity and wikipedia are sister projects.

Right now, I want some major help in setting up the forum's navigation and text. Can you suggest me someone who would be willing to help me out with this? Thanks. --Dharav ^talk 05:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

You can read the clarifications on the separate section below. I hapenned to read a message on some talk page that said something about being frustrated on wikiversity. yes Sir, even I am. And all that is keeping me here is the vision that given a few months time, this discussion forum will be active and helping out a lot of people.

If you realize, I am just asking for someone to come and help me out with completing the forum's pages in full. Can anyone HELP me? That's all I'm asking for! We sing songs praising wikiversity and co-operative work. Is there no one who'd actually team up with me? --Dharav ^talk 13:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

That is indeed a concern. I'll put some thought to it. Hopefully this can be incorporated into the forum as well. I'll figure out some way to do that. Thanks for pointing it out. The colloquim seems like an ideal place to start. Will approach the people over there. Thank you again. --Dharav ^talk 16:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Clarifications regarding HHF

I'd still worry about creating all this structure...

The structure is already created! Only that it can not be launched with a good reception right now.

duplicate something that already exists, is functional, and much simpler

The two projects are similar only in their core offerings - discussions. But honestly, com out of the wiki mindset for a second and realize, what would dumb users prefer? Blocks of text or formatted and categorized questions?

Wikihelpdesk is functional and so is this forum. What is the difference? How many queries on helpdesk are answered? Why would someone come to the help desk when he already has other services like Yahoo!!! Answers'?

Let us for now assume that help desk is a bad idea for specialized queries and discussions - and it's not a bad one given that no one has asked for his/her doubts through out a course over there. If it were helpful, the user would keep coming back to it and increase the content on the helpdesk. Is that the case?

Given the assumption, I do not perceive HHF as a duplication, but an improvization! Is the improvization major? Well, until and unless we set the project out in the open, we'll never know! The structure is there so that people keep coming back to the forum to check out things. Where will I attract the people from? Let's leave that for later.

That apart, I plan to solve a large number of questions on the forum and already have volunteers for that. These questions will serve the purpose of attracting people and keeping them here and to gain the trust that "YES! Doubts are indeed solved here!"

Given that the project already has volunteers who'd help with solutions of questions, diagrams, mathematical steps, clarifications, etc. etc., I do not think we should doubt this project until it actually is set up. Let's believe in being Bold.

Where will all your projects end up; how will people interested in such subjects find them?

This is a discussion forum. So, the discussions will be on questions. Direct exercise questions that we find in textbooks and examinations. What we need to realize is that these questions, once there volumes reach a certain level, can be directly used for the exercises section of the textbooks. And they'd be much better than what is being offered in the market right now.

People interested in these four subjects will easily find the forum. I plan to discuss some questions on the forum with my volunteers, edit the discussions and release a PDF on scribd.com That should get me some initial visitors. I guess we can handle a sustainable flow from there.

Well, according to me, the need of the hour is to help complete the project that is already functional but not usable and then move onto the other stages of development.

People come and invest a lot of their time on wikiversity which in the end makes no difference. The whole idea of this project is to remove the burden of creating content from one person and to entrust it to something that is human nature - doubts and queries.

I'm sure this'll help.

Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could help me out with completing the aesthetics and navigation. That'll be more productive for me. Honestly, I am looking for help. Can you help me out? Or can you recommend this project to someone who you know will be interested? --Dharav ^talk 13:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

thanks

for your thanks (from over a year ago, heh!)... I never remember to log in over here with this name so I never noticed I had a message.  :-D Did the collective learning notion develop any further? Happy trails! -- Απεργός 02:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Media Literacy

Media Literacy is now a REDIRECT to Media literacy. The content is now at Media literacy/notes. OK? --CQ 14:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

User Rename

Hi Cormaggio. It's been a while since I've contributed to Wikiversity, and I'm interested to see where our planning (from four years ago) has got it. Could you please pursue my request to merge this account (User:Xenon) with my unified account (User:Gboyers), on both en and beta? Thanks Xenon 03:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Just to confirm I own both accounts. Also confirmed here. Gboyers 03:11, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Appropedia assistance

Hey Cormaggio, I was wondering whether you are interested in joining Appropedia; we currently need someone with experience in the wiki-software; see http://www.appropedia.org/User_talk:Chriswaterguy#Members More precisely, we need to add some extensions/semantic updates to automate a few things (ie member listing, ...). Let me/us know if you're intrested or if you know someone that might be intrested. KVDP 10:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Going naked - Openism and freedom in academia

You may have some thoughts/suggestions...? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 02:33, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the link - interesting stuff to which I can definitely contribute - though odd title. :-) Cormaggio ^talk 08:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

community review

The current review and OR discussions could use your input, since you were a central part of the debates over research on Wikiversity from the early drafts of the Wikiversity proposal. –SJ+ 15:40, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! –SJ+ 03:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your diligence, and reassurance, on the CR. :-) Cormaggio ^talk 08:13, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Research process could also use your input. -- darklama  03:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure - just not for the next two weeks. :-) Cormaggio ^talk 08:13, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

G'day again :-)

I noticed your comments at the 'response testing' page, and how closely they echoed Brian's advice further up the page - you chaps seem to me to have an agreement that the establishment of some sort of policy framework / review board / expert input would be a good idea before we consider getting research (broadly construed, I guess) under way - I'm up for talking about this, and can see that it could be really useful - what do you think the best next step is? cheers, Privatemusings 23:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

just following up :-) Privatemusings 00:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

SUL Merge

Please kindly check Wikiversity:Changing_username#Naz_.E2.86.92_Nazar. Thanks! Naz 12:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Need bureaucrat at Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship

Cormaggio, there are three old discussions warranting 'crat action at Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship. Would you mind looking at the nominations for Pmlineditor, AFriedman, and especially the bureaucratship for Jtneill? Thanks. --Abd 02:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

That's fine Cormaggio, good to know you're around. On skype I'm james_neill (let's connect), but by and large I'm happy to keep things on wiki. I've acted on the pending nominations for probationary and full custodianship, but I'm sure I'll have queries as I go along. How's the thesis? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 14:14, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I've handed in my thesis, and my viva is next week. I didn't want to publish it until after I had had feedback, so I'll try and make it more available here after the viva. I still want to make it useful to the WV community - that was one of its main objectives. Talk soon... Cormaggio ^talk 09:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Hiding IP info

[1]. If you expose an IP like that, you can hide it with the hide revisions now. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Help with a new initiative?

I have proposed an idea for a new way of creating technical learning content: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Improving_Technical_Topics_At_Wikiversity

Would you be interested in helping with something like this? Once I get a representative from each discipline I have listed, I would like to hold a brainstorming session. Please let me know what you think! Daviddoria 14:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikimania talk

Would you please urgently confirm your talk here: [2]? The reminders may have gone to the spambox, especially if you are using gmail. Thanks.--Yaroslav Blanter 10:23, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Page for small research about similarities Wikipedia-OS

Hola! I was thinking about starting a small research collaborative project in Wikiversity where I can collect the help of some wikipedians and open source developers to validate a series of comparisons. I already have a wiki table which I would like to move and extend a little bit here for letting other people edit/comment it.

My main doubt about how to proceed is if it would be better to start a (new) research project page or if is better to create it in my user subpages. What do you think? (Any extra advice? :)

--Esenabre 08:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for you advice! I'll try to make it clear in a standalone page and do some secondary pages to see if it works then. --Esenabre 14:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

trolling

"I will plainly state that I believe JWSchmidt has been allowed to dominate such discussions by trolling" <-- Cormaggio, please explain your accusation. Are you using a real definition of "trolling" or are you just gaming the system and trying to bully me? Please provide me with links to my past edits that support your accusation of "trolling". I have always worked to support and develop Wikiversity and I've never abused a position of responsibility at Wikiversity. The disruption is from those who have done thing like impose bad blocks against community consensus. --JWSchmidt 16:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm using a standard definition of trolling - for reference, see m:What_is_a_troll? and w:Troll (Internet). The ways in which I think you troll are numerous - for example: repeatedly posting inflammatory and bad-faith comments in discussions about Wikiversity policy and governance, particularly in candidates for custodianship/bureaucratship; requesting that all actions that you dislike be backed up by policy (which would be fine, if you didn't seem to have any reservations about flaunting policy yourself, particularly civility); and simply refusing to have an open and honest discussion about your behaviour, or being frustratingly evasive during such discussions. We've been through this to death - I've given you countless examples of where I think your behaviour has been problematic (in the wake of your first block), and it seems to have just got worse since that time. John, I don't doubt that you want the best for Wikiversity, and it saddens me to say any of this. I wish we could have an open discussion without the posturing - but I've long since become fatigued by all the drama, and I have to say I find it hard to assume good faith on your part any more. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel, along with many of the people I've talked to who have either been involved in or followed the post-Moulton drama. Cormaggio ^talk 19:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

If you need to bully me then please feel free to call me a troll at Wikiversity:Community Review/JWSchmidt 2010, I've come to expect such treatment from Wikimedia functionaries. Jimbo dun teached you good. I ask that you provide evidence of trolling and I request that you don't block me before I have a chance to respond to your charges, or is my asking for evidence too "frustratingly evasive" for you? I'm not going to stop complaining about people who violate policy and disrupt Wikiversity, even if the policy violators don't want to hear it. There is nothing uncivil about discussing abuses of power. Jimbo tried to force the banhammer culture on Wikiversity and there is a well-known way to deal with an occupying power. I hear that the godking lost his to banhammer. Are you going to step in and pick it up? If you want to play games I'll go to Wikiversity:Community Review/Problematic actions and document how a gang of sysops published false accusations about me and violated Wikiversity policy in order to terminate my Custodianship. SBJ called me up on the phone and told me why that was done and I'm perfectly happy to make sure that the entire Wikiversity community knows. I'd much rather work on Wikiversity:Privacy policy, which I was doing before Adambro blocked me. Why is it that two years ago when I called for Wikiversity:Privacy policy to be recognized as official policy, a month before Jimbo was gamed into coming to Wikiversity, all the great leaders of Wikiversity sat on their hands? I was told that any policy I worked on would be not become policy. Isn't that real mature? Is that where we are now, still? Everyone is too "fatigued" to collaborate and make a policy? Is it easier to just make up rules as you go along and tumble out of the boat anyone who thinks differently than you do? Is it just too convenient to blame Moulton for everything? --JWSchmidt 20:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I have no wish to bully, play games, or wave a "banhammer". I don't believe SB_Johnny, Mikeu, McCormack, or anyone else you would label as part of a "gang" do or ever did either. It's this kind of comment - the one I'm responding to - that I regard as trolling: misrepresenting a situation for the purposes of strengthening your position (even if that includes playing the victim). It's you who is playing games here, John. Cormaggio ^talk 22:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I beg people to make a privacy policy in 2008, I beg in 2010, finally Ottava starts a new policy development drive and I get blocked for working to develop the privacy policy. Ottava asks me to start a community review aimed at finding ways past the log jam and I do that. Can you name the "game" I am playing? After all my hard work you come dancing in and announce that JWSchmidt is trolling and Moulton must go because of "drama"? But who made the bad block of Moulton against community consensus? Who violated Wikiversity policy and removed my custodianship? If you are too fatigued to collaborate then why not find a less challenging task than building a wiki community? Moulton and I am willing to devote our time to the task. Two years ago I was blocked for the absurd reason "until guidelines are agreed upon". Funny how the people who are ready and willing to develop guidelines get blocked and banned. Why is that? You come waltzing in and call me a troll. Very constructive. If you don't want to wave a banhammer then why did you violate Wikiversity policy and perform an emergency desysop on me when there was no emergency? What kind of game was that? I call it abuse of power. I know that a gang worked in secret off-wiki to engineer removal of my Custodianship and to block me. Wikiversity is a community for scholarly learners, not a place where a few people get together and decide who to eliminate. "misrepresenting a situation" <-- If you know something that I don't know why don't you tell me? What am I "misrepresenting"? If I'm wrong about something and you show me that I am wrong I'll gladly admit my error. --JWSchmidt 23:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Community Review

Notification: you are part of a community review. --JWSchmidt 15:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

another G'day :-)

are you around at all? - I wondered if I might pick your brains about how best to slowly progress my interest in learning and documenting stuff here :-) cheers, Privatemusings 00:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Request to rename Deepumohan.p to WarFox posted

Original request 24 August 2010, request denied, WarFox existed, see [3]. --Abd 17:43, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Rename

Could you please rename my wikipedia acount from peterkreuch to pt3539 note added by IP, 10 October 2010.

User:Peterkreuch is not registered on Wikiversity. --Abd 17:16, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

yo it's charlie from gdansk

Joe (PlanetMath bearded guy) and I wrote this paper for a conference got denied and put it up here, take a look. I think you have in certain ways been enacting some of our ideas for a few years, maybe. Anyway, hope you're enjoying yourself. --Charles Jeffrey Danoff 09:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

fyi

Wikiversity:Community_Review/Abd#Proposal_to_remove_all_current_Bureaucrats --mikeu ^talk 18:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Renaming, கலை to Kalaiarasy

... moved to Wikiversity:Changing_username#User_rename_requests, original at [4]. --Abd 17:10, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

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I have responded on User talk:Ali ringo. --Abd 16:53, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

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Forced user renames coming soon for SUL

Hi, sorry for writing in English. I'm writing to ask you, as a bureaucrat of this wiki, to translate and review the notification that will be sent to all users, also on this wiki, who will be forced to change their user name on May 27 and will probably need your help with renames. You may also want to help with the pages m:Rename practices and m:Global rename policy. Thank you, Nemo 13:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users

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As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

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Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Dave Braunschweig#Voting for full custodianship

As a bureaucrat, please close this discussion. It's been two weeks. Thanks. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 15:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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