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Request to move image files to Commons

I got this request to move files from Category:NowCommons and Category:Files from USGS. I delete lots of files, but usually let others delete image files because of my ignorance of copyright laws. I also have contributed a lot of files to Commons, but almost all of it is my own work. So I am out of my comfort zone on this. I don't even understand why these files should be moved.

@MGA73: Maybe we can find someone with more expertise on file transfers here on Request custodian action.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 22:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In a related vein, due to my inexperience with copyright regulations, perhaps it would be better if someone else processed the following files. All are up for speedy deletion. And all seem like quality images and/or on potentially high quality WV resources.

My request was primary to delete files that was moved to Commons allready. But if anyone have checked files they are of course very welcome to move files to Commons too. Same with Category:Files from Flickr. --MGA73 (discusscontribs) 16:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info. My ignorance of copyright law makes me very hesitant to delete image files.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed User:Koavf just deleted a file moved to Commons. So perhaps Koavf could have a look at the files in Category:NowCommons once there is a little time to spare? :-) --MGA73 (discusscontribs) 19:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
lol@"time to spare", but sure. <3 —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes dirty tricks work ;-) --MGA73 (discusscontribs) 08:00, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussions are archived for review purposes. Please start a new discussion to discuss the topic further.

According to WV:IU, this username is not acceptable (implying bot), should this account be blocked? MathXplore (discusscontribs) 01:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I already sent a welcome and {{uw-username}} (imported from enwiki). MathXplore (discusscontribs) 01:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think explicitly saying that you're not a bot is acceptable, but I agree that it's probably not ideal. E.g. someone could have the username "NotAReet" and run a bot under this name. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Call for rewriting WV:UNC

This agenda is suggested at Wikiversity_talk:Username#WV:UNC needs updates, since this is related to policy documentation, I would like to have the attention of our custodians. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 02:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible vandalism (Massive enwiki copies with MOS issues), seems to be related to the recently reported IP, please consider range block. All targeted pages are semi-protected. Reverted revisions seem to be enwiki copies, please also consider revision deletion if needed. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 03:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Note) Currently stale, will report again if they come back. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 09:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Scope of talk page usage for blocked users

I understand that the scope of talk page usage for blocked users is aimed at unblocking requests and relevant discussions. I would like to ask if Wikiversity has more exceptions accepted by the community. I'm asking this because I recently found special:diff/2602322, and this does not seem to be related to an unblocking request. If unacceptable, custodians may need to remove talk page access from the user. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 02:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please review recent edits at Wikiversity:Verifiability

long discussion

Recently we had many changes to this documentation. Reverting undiscussed changes would be non-controversial, but I'm not sure about the others. What would our custodians think about these edits? MathXplore (discusscontribs) 15:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Each of my edit has an explanation/rationale in the edit summary. Here a summarization: I above all removed sentences that presented a contradiction within the same page. I also switched the page to policy proposal away from policy since I could not find a discussion establishing the page as a policy and since, given the contradictions before my edits, the page could not have been taken seriously as a policy, that is, a set of rigid rules contrasting to guidelines. I could have discussed the changes somewhere first, but since the changes are well documented in their edit summaries, I hoped they could remain. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 17:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, the original version (before recent efforts) can be found at Special:Permalink/1375824. Regarding my thoughts about these edits, I think we should distinguish between top pages and subpages. If an instructor is inviting students to submit work in subspace, the instructor should have considerable flexibility regarding those subpages.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 00:03, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While I'm not sure about what type of flexibility is being mentioned, I generally believe that teachers should have enough privileges to complete their projects. If our policies (and related proposals) restrict legitimate educational activities, then we are no longer a place for education. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 12:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the explanation and the summary, but I cannot guarantee that everyone will accept it. Removing contradictions sounds good. If the content was obvious nonsense or conflict with the entire Wikiversity, then your decision (blanking/removal) would be the most reasonable one. In this case, I think there were other options (such as rewriting to resolve contradictions), and that is why I'm calling for a review. For example, at special:diff/2602692, you said that "The obligation to use verifiable and reliable sources lies with the editors wishing to include information on Wikiversity page, not on those seeking to question it or remove it" contradicts the option of scholarly research at Wikiversity. I don't understand how this becomes a contradiction (have you already explained that?). Even if it was a contradiction, I think blanking was not the only one option. We could have restricted the obligation to non-research content (such as educational resources) or downgraded the obligation to a recommendation, and avoid potential conflict with Wikiversity research content. The summary of my question is, "Why have you decided to remove instead of suggesting a rewrite?". MathXplore (discusscontribs) 13:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see an obvious contradiction, as mentioned in the edit summary: if original research and original user-written essays are allowed, there is no "obligation to use verifiable and reliable sources".
As for dropping text vs. rewrite: a rewrite creates an opportunity to introduce new mistakes and non-consensualities, a bad thing. By contrast, removal of problematic sentences removes defects. After removal of problematic sentences, we may focus on whether the text that remained after removal is really accurate and fully fit for purpose, which I do not think to be the case either; more corrective work is required. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 11:12, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for additional explanations. If somebody is going to produce their own research where anything similar was never published elsewhere, there would be no other independent secondary sources, so the Wikipedia-like verifiability is no longer reasonable at here. On the other hand, I believe that authors should work hard to avoid errors (calculation errors, uploading wrong images etc., I was talking about this type of verifiablity for research content), if they want to pass Wikijournal peer reviews then they need to do so. In addition, I expect many type of research comes out from previous research history, and I think it is reasonable to expect the Wikipedia-like verifiablity when explaining research background and related history. What would you think about this? I'm not demanding the Wikipedia-like verifiability to research itself, I'm recommending this to things before entering research. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 01:59, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As for "If somebody is going to produce their own research where anything similar was never published elsewhere", one may well publish result of research such that something similar was already published elsewhere; it is still original research in Wikipedia terminology.
Wikiversity is great for articles that combine original research/element of originality with referenced material. For such articles, there is no duty to reference things but I would see inline referencing as recommended for consideration (not enforced) and adding great further reading/external links as recommended (not enforced). I fully agree that "authors should work hard to avoid errors". As for Wikijournals, that is a separate class of Wikiversity content, with its own rules and processes. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 07:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About "explaining research background": I know of no duty to explain research background (or is there one?) and therefore, there is no duty to explain the background and then reference it using Wikipedia-style inline referencing. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 08:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would somebody like to vote between keeping page as is or returning it to Special:Permalink/1375824? If so, write "I move that we foobar" as vote yes or no.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can User:Ciphiorg/sandbox be an acceptable sandbox?

The sandbox was made by using talk page namespace so I moved it into userspace. After the page moved, I noticed that the sandbox was about physical geography but also aimed to promote a single website (physicalgeography.org) and its subpages. I checked the author's enwiki history, all edits were reverted and their enwiki sandbox was deleted per CSD U5. Could this be a xwiki spam case? MathXplore (discusscontribs) 06:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checkY Done Deleted. He can ask for undeletion if he wants to remove self-promotion/spam links. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recent abuse filter logs suggests that the user came back to do something similar. You may need to take action to stop them. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 05:43, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Update) Currently stale. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concern about an IP range starting from 165.199.181

IP editors from this range (Special:Contributions/165.199.181.3, Special:Contributions/165.199.181.9, Special:Contributions/165.199.181.15) have done a lot of unhelpful actions in our project for months. I think our custodians should consider a range block for a reasonable amount of time. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 02:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Note) All IPs in this report are blocked in minimal range. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 02:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider blacklisting of physicalgeography.org

Dear custodians, I have reported about editors trying to get physicalgeography.org to appear in Wikiversity at special:permalink/2603578#Can_User:Ciphiorg/sandbox_be_an_acceptable_sandbox?, and now we have another editor trying to get the link visible (Special:diff/2603646). Please consider the blacklisting of this URL. Thank you for your attention. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 02:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Too many test edits at sandbox (RC flooding), possible proxy, already blocked at zhwiki. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 09:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MathXplore: I blocked for 3 hours and then Googled {RC flooding}. I have no experience with these things. How long should I block for?----Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 13:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When I reported the IP, they were violent, and at least a short-term block (perhaps several hours) may have been needed at that time. Currently, the IP editor is stale, so there may be no significant meaning to block them at this moment. On the other hand, GetIPIntel Prediction is 100% at IPcheck information, this means that this IP might be a proxy (and I guess that is why zhwiki blocked this IP, I don't know well about zhwiki proxy block policy), though the other parameters are negative. I think we need someone who knows more about proxies to choose the right range and terms. @Koavf: can you take a look at this IP? MathXplore (discusscontribs) 13:18, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Note) After my reply, another IP (Special:Contributions/103.150.214.135, close to the one above) appeared with similar behavior (targeting sandbox). This IP is blocked at zhwikivoyage as an open proxy (1 year), also blocked at enwiki as a web host. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 14:15, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not a range block pro, but doing a little range block hacking, I see that both Special:Contributions/103.150.214.192/16 and Special:Contributions/103.150.214.135/16 contain all of the edits by the above IPs and only the edits by the above IPs. Both are globally blocked for a couple of months, but 1.) I take violent threats very seriously (@MathXplore:, did you write to legal@? If not, I will.) 2.) the sandbox is one of the only pages you really don't want to have escalated protection on, and 3.) oftentimes, rangeblocking open proxies is not going to harm the project. So, I'm willing to do a 12-month range block. Great work as always. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't write to legal. I was checking the edit frequencies and their global contributions rather than the context. Please go ahead for the report to legal. Thank you for the reactions and information. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 06:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, no worries MX. You do a lot across many wikis. It's a team effort, friend. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait--I actually looked at the diffs and some of them mention some weird violent content, but are not threats, so it doesn't rise to that occasion. Sorry for my ignorance. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism from this IP, a targeted page is now semi-protected. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 02:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Note) Currently stale. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 06:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can this be considered as an academic profile, or should be handled as an advertisement? MathXplore (discusscontribs) 06:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tricky. I'm inclined to call it a valid profile if this user engages in actually editing and particularly in creating resources related to these kind of topics such as SEO, but call it just spam if this person is only here to say "I am so-and-so and I have [x] marketable skills". :/ So I could be persuaded either way, but it's not obviously spam as of now, as far as I can tell. I totally respect any other custodian or curator deleting it, tho. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This talk page is currently isolated but has a lot of things in here. Where can we move this page to save it as an archive? MathXplore (discusscontribs) 13:39, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I created Draft:Archive without asking for a consensus. If nobody objects, we can all use it. The only open question in my mind is whether we need to nowikify the pages to avoid having titles appear on various lists and categories. I suggest the title Draft:Archive/2024/Portal talk-Astronomy. Personally, I am not very adept at undeleting pages, thought with a bit of practice I might find it more natural. With a small cleanup crew that tends to get bogged down in long discussions, it's easier if everybody can look at pages that have been removed in this fashion. Many years ago I remember an editor who annoyed administrators with frivolous requests to undelete for viewing purposes. If you want, I can move Portal talk:Astronomy right now.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 14:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is wrong with Portal talk:Astronomy staying where it is? --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 14:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry! Again I read quickly but without accuracy. I didn't notice that it was a Talk page. I will archive it right now.Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC) checkY DoneGuy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 18:36, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You "archived" the page but not moved. Where should we move the talk page? That is my question. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 00:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to WV:CSD, isolated talk pages are subject to deletion. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 00:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apparently just forgot to delete the talk page. Does anybody object to deleting the talk page and its archive?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 01:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is this being deleted or archived? I guess it is because of WV:Deletions, "Discussion about deleted resources where context is lost and becoming an independent resource is unlikely". But the resource was not deleted, it was moved: from looking at Portal:Astronomy, one can see it was moved to Topic:Astronomy, which is now a redirect to Astronomy. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 07:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checkY Done Taking Dan's lead, I assumed the hanging talk page Portal talk:Astronomy to have been attached to what is now Astronomy, which already had a talk page. So I made the Archive a subpage with an explanatory note at Talk:Astronomy. I'm glad this is a hobby and not a serious effort to preserve the history of this ol wiki.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I generally understand that archives are numbered in chronological order but I found an exception to this rule. special:permalink/2596291 says that 23 is "January 2021 - June 2023" and 24 is "December 2021 - December 2022", this is breaking the chronological order. Should we fix this or keep it in the current state? MathXplore (discusscontribs) 01:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that while archiving a while back. I think we should leave it alone. One problem is that we have two chronological orders: One is when the request was initiated, and the other is when the request is archived. To make matters worse, many topics get "archived" twice: First when {{Archive top}}..{{Archive bottom}} turns the background blue, and second when the conversation is moved. Also, these conversations are extremely chaotic. Reading them would make good reading for chatbots if and when humans ever decide to start punishing them for transgressions.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 01:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thank you for your opinions. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 01:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can anybody explain how this turns into a proposed deletion?

I just deleted a lot of pages because I thought the author was confusing the prod template for speedy delete. This is the source for User:Ramosama/sandbox/Problem Analysis - Provision:

Click to view the source code that triggers the prod
 {{Problem analysis - measure|name=Reusing durables|identifier=reusing_durables
|definition= The reuse of durable goods in their original form. 
|reasons= 
|parents=
|instances= 
* Design of equipment for reuse of their parts ("cradle to cradle").
* Prolonged storage of reusable goods in warehouses, such as deserted office buildings.
* Second-hand warehouses.
* Refund for returns of durables.
* Facilitation, for example, allowing customers to reuse packaging or containers.
|advantages= 
|disadvantages=   }} Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thankfully the user has been dormant for almost 4 years. See Special:Contributions/Ramosama.Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I edited "Template:Problem analysis - concept" to place its proposed deletion code into the noinclude tag. As a result, User:Ramosama/sandbox/Problem Analysis - Provision--which uses the template--no longer shows any proposed deletion tag. I hope it added some clarity and has no undesirable consequence. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 19:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good news! I thought it was possible to accidentally make a prod. Thank's Dan.Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:48, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does anybody know how to delete all pages by a single user?

We have a serial page creator. My hunch is that the pages were created in another language, translated using an auto-translator, and placed on en.wikiversity. I am currently trying to create a list from this list. If nobody knows how to do this, I will use a list under construction at Pre-diabetes diagnosis and remission.Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Nuke can mass-delete, with some caveats. Oddly, it is only available to bureaucrats here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the answer. But let me list the pages created in 2024 (there are more from 2023):

--Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 16:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checkY Done I deleted all the maritime health and diabetes pages made in the past several months. If more is needed, let me know. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Justin. You might want to change the parameters of my block of Saltrabook. I know little about blocking protocols. I will change my expiration date from one week to indefinite. I didn't know you could pagenuke. We need an active pagenuker on this wiki now that Dave is less active.Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no perspective on an indefinite block, but it may be a good idea until/unless he can explain on his talk page what he's trying to do and where he is getting this information, etc. Note also that he has lots of pages going back to at least 2019. If we had consensus that Special:Nuke were available to admins (curators), then we could make the request on phab: to change the local settings. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know whether Saltrabook can use his talk page? If so, there is no need to change the indefinite block.Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The latest block (special:redirect/logid/3389142) does not include edits, so I think they can. Generally, most blocked users can edit their own talk pages for unblock requests and related statements (unless revoked). MathXplore (discusscontribs) 03:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Currently, curators cannot restore pages. I think allowing mass-delete without restoration permissions can be risky. Allowing mass-delete to our custodians should be enough. Why have we limited mass-delete to our bureaucrats? Are there any previous discussions in the past? MathXplore (discusscontribs) 03:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No clue. That is very bizarre and atypical. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can ask to hear the community's opinion at Wikiversity:Colloquium. They may want to speak about what they think about this odd technical settings. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 03:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Note about this matter) I started a new thread over there. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 13:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Update) Per suggestion (special:diff/2610994), I started a proposal at Wikiversity_talk:Custodianship#Proposal_to_allow_custodians_to_use_mass-delete. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 07:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If possible, I suggest clarifying the deletion criteria (RFD? off-wiki request?). I'm sorry if I have missed anything. From my viewpoint, I only requested renaming without redirects, and now I see pages being deleted. Having more explanations would be better, I think. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 03:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MathXplore: Sorry, sometimes I act too swiftly. It turns out User:Saltrabook has been creating what looks like interesting pages for a long time, and he has created close to 100 such pages (probably much more.) He doesn't know English very well, so it is obvious that he is auto-translating the pages. I blocked his page creations, and he seems happy working on pages he already created (many of them were almost blank.) Personally, I would be happy if he works on the pages he has already created and left us alone. We get odd ones on WV. I should know; my family thinks I am one.-Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 03:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the explanations. As can be seen in each page history, I'm one of the few editors handling the categorizations of their creations, but I didn't notice that there were auto-translations (has anyone identified which software has been used?), apologies for being late to notice such issues. I think we should clarify how to handle auto-translations via policy/guideline or previous discussions. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 03:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lock evasion of User:Premaledu, please see special:permalink/2609661#Offensive_username. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 12:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already checkY Done, globally locked. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 13:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation of edit

I was trying to link my pages and I got a notification to explain to a custodian. I hope I'm in the right place for that. An5189 (discusscontribs) 04:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems fine to me. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thanks An5189 (discusscontribs) 04:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

create about user page

I was trying to create about User page An5189 (discusscontribs) 05:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll create a blank one and you can modify it. Let me know if you have more problems. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thanks, I willAn5189 (discusscontribs) 08:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Making bad pages (I already deleted them) and xwiki abuse (also reported at Wikiquote). MathXplore (discusscontribs) 02:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checkY DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 05:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spam-only account with promotional username (account named after company name). MathXplore (discusscontribs) 06:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checkY DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 13:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lock evasion of Special:CentralAuth/Premaledu. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 07:45, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checkY Done, already locked. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 08:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism and xwiki abuse. MathXplore (discusscontribs) 10:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checkY Done Month-long rangeblock. —Justin (koavf)TCM 10:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]