User talk:Koavf

Hello Koavf! Welcome to Wikiversity! If you decide that you need help, check out Wikiversity:Help desk, ask the support staff, or ask me on my talk page. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Below are some recommended guidelines to facilitate your involvement. Happy Editing! -- Trevor MacInnis 22:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Getting Started Take a guided tour How to edit a page Be bold in editing Learning Projects What Wikiversity is not Getting your info out there Cite your sources Neutral Point of View Verifiability Getting more Wikiversity rules Policy Library Getting Help Research guidelines Help Desk Getting along Civility Sign your posts Scholarly ethics Getting technical Colloquium

wikitravel

Hi. You removed links to Wikitravel. Why? --Abd (discuss • contribs) 12:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikitravel links Per discussion at en.wp as well as Meta to remove links at those projects. If you want to keep links and references here at en.v, I guess that's fine. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.

I see you got it before I explained. Wikiversity is disconcerting to those familiar with the encyclopedia projects, and the other content-oriented projects. While we do have a content mission, we also have a "learning by doing" mission, which is about people. Our product is not just content, it is education, and there is no education without users who are educated, and sophisticated education is always about process and people skills and the rest. I would argue that the encyclopedia projects also need to be welcoming, if the full mission is to be fulfilled, but ... they developed with a very narrow focus and absent the realization that an environment that was easily seen as hostile would damage the mission.

The 20th century saw the development of systems and skills and process for maximizing consensus, and the only reliable measure of neutrality is level of consensus. (I.e., if everyone involved agrees, 100% consensus, while what they agree upon only might possibly turn out, in the end, to be defective or invalid, there is no better measure!). So to the extent that there is exclusion, to that extent, the assessment of neutrality can be warped.

Obviously, compromises are necessary, but "compromise" requires tolerating a level of damage, and that is easily forgotten. When the importance of consensus being as broad as possible is realized, a community will find ways to keep conversation open, on some level, in some place, otherwise the community becomes locked into what I call the "tyranny of the past." There is a children's song that was part of a therapeutic response to Reactive Attachment Disorder:

There is always something you can do, do, do

When you're getting in a stew, stew, stew.

Mostly, it involves simmering down, dropping upset and reactive response, and, when calm, communicating.

While this kind of work has been done on Wikipedia, often in user space -- it's what I did, successfully mediating disputes, such that users at each other's throats became cooperative with each other -- this was mumbo-jumbo nonsense to too many on Wikipedia. For example, see [1], which included many pages of historical function, including evidence presented to ArbCom. I found it very strange that ArbCom did not care that evidence used in a case was being deleted, but ArbCom consists of too many elevated beyond their competence by popularity (as well as many other highly-experienced and thoughtful user; but the system tends to burn them out and they become less attentive.)

w:User:Abd/Dispute over thermoeconomics was particularly educational. In that mediation, a professor was revert warring with Randy from Boise, so to speak, and one or both were about to be blocked. It took very little to develop cooperation, mostly just sitting them down together with some support. Hmmm... I'm thinking of asking that these pages be transwikied to Wikiversity, precisely for historical study.

Looking for the link to that, I came across this. It shows a quick and major clue to what happened on en.wiki. Two three-letter users with a conflict. One was an administrator taken to ArbCom by the other, and the administrator was trout-slapped by ArbCom and then, it is obvious, revenge was exacted, by the admin and his friends. This was long-continued and, while not unnoticed, never sanctioned. Admins can be hostile, this one was more than hostile, he was highly insulting at times, using obscene language, and using tools while involved, was reprimanded, made small adjustments to his behavior, but continued pretty much unimpeded. And, as you know, this is not uncommon. He is even a likeable Guy. I consider this all the responsibility of the community. Blaming people for what comes naturally for them is not productive. Such people generally will modify behavior in a functional community.

Notice the irony. The userbox was "Esperanza returns," referring to the project designed to foster civility and welcome and cooperation. Esperanza, of course, means Hope. So the nominator was saying, "Hope will never return." Esperanza was crushed when it temporarily was inactive. Instead of improving the governance, which was easily possible, it was crushed with vehemence, see the MfD. Why?

To any serious student of human organizational structure, it's obvious.

Wikiversity is the slim thread of hope, and if it is not protected and defended, hope will break.

Thanks again. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 15:17, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Curator

Hi! I've noticed and appreciated your recent efforts on behalf of Wikiversity. Do you have any interest in becoming a Wikiversity curator? It would give you additional tools to make some clean-up easier. I'd be happy to nominate/support you if you are interested. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 17:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

@Dave Braunschweig: I'd be delited and honored. I started editing here as soon as it was founded and I've always wanted to collaborate more on philosophy. If I had some more tools here, I think I'd be more active as well. Thanks for the invitation. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:16, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! And thanks for creating the nomination page. I was in the process, but you beat me to it. :-) -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 18:01, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations! Let me know if you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 02:47, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

@Dave Braunschweig: Definitely. Thank you again. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:19, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Welcome

There's also {{welcomeip}}. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:25, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dave Braunschweig: Brilliant. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:44, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion request

Hey Justin,

I was wondering if you could delete Module:Color contrast‎, a page I've created accidentally. I was switching between tabs with the intention of creating the page at Beta Wikiversity, and you know the rest. :) Thanks in advance.

Best,

Vito Genovese 23:10, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Vito Genovese: No problem--accidents happen. Happy to help, Vito. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:13, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Do humans have free will?

Hi Koavf!

The Wikidebate Do humans have free will? appears to be well-developed and ready for learners! Would you like to have it announced on our Main Page News? --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 16:12, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Marshallsumter: It's certainly a good start. Go for it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Does everything happen for a sufficient reason?

Hi Koavf!

Does everything happen for a sufficient reason? also appears well-developed! Would you like to have it announced on our Main Page News? --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Marshallsumter: Go for it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:26, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

New wikidebate syntax

Hi Justin! Just wanted to let you know that I made a new improvement to the software and syntax. It's now even cleaner and more compatible with the visual editor. Hope you like it, cheers! --Felipe (discuss • contribs) 23:58, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Learning bass guitar with Joseph Patrick Moore

Hi Koavf!

Your course Learning bass guitar with Joseph Patrick Moore appears well-developed and ready for learners! Would you like to have it announced on our Main Page News? --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 00:18, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@Marshallsumter: Not yet, please. I'm still uploading videos and fleshing out the text portion. I'd be delighted for it to be featured soon, tho. I'll ping you when I'm done-ish. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:30, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Beogradbulevar

Most posts relating to boxing or chess are from globally banned user George Reeves Person. Typical attacks come when he gets off work between 2 and 5 p.m. CST, and occasionally later, particularly on Fridays or Saturdays. He uses public libraries for Internet access, and typically doesn't post after 9 p.m. CST. It's unfortunate, but we really have to watch who posts what in the mid-to-late afternoons and be vigilant in blocking the content and not welcoming the user. See Wikiversity:Community Review/Marshallsumter for the damage it causes. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dave Braunschweig: Wow. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:54, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

CU

I closed the CU nomination due to the low number of recent additions to the discussion. It just seemed like we wouldn't meet the criteria in a reasonable time. Thanks for offering to help with this and perhaps we can try again in the future. We appreciate your contributions. --mikeu ^talk 19:45, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@Mu301: For sure. Thanks yourself. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

history of covid in the usa

Hi Koavf

I was idly surfing the wsj and suddenly realized all articles I was looking at had a video posted right at the top.(example:https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-covid-19-patients-show-signs-of-heart-damage-months-later-11600866000). The video section is 8:06 minutes long and is a short version of the history of pandemic in the usa.

I don't know how to get the url of the video itself. Can you help? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 15:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: Load the page in your browser and use the networking console--you can usually get this to display by pressing F12. You'll find that this video is served up as a playlist of several bits with the URI https://oms.dowjoneson.com/b/ss/djglobal/1/JS-2.17.0/s04078897862906?AQB=1&ndh=1&pf=1&t=2%2F10%2F2020%2013%3A6%3A8%201%20300&mid=71630168209780702446627362471898499848&ce=UTF-8&pageName=WSJLive_Video_How%20Coronavirus%20Spread%20Across%20the%20U.S.%20to%20Reach%20200%2C000%20Deaths_372&g=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fsome-covid-19-patients-show-signs-of-heart-damage-months-later-11600866000&c.&a.&media.&friendlyName=How%20Coronavirus%20Spread%20Across%20the%20U.S.%20to%20Reach%20200%2C000%20Deaths&length=486&name=AE28508C-C7DF-406E-814F-69C8FAAD1A86&playerName=Web&channel=WSJ&show=Feature%20Explainer&originator=cmccall&genre=WSJ_News_U.S.%20News&digitalDate=original_2020-09-22%2011%3A58_current_2020-09-22%2011%3A58&feed=video&network=115&format=user%20initiated&streamType=video&view=true&vsid=160434036774097779839&.media&contentType=vod&.a&page.&content.&type=Article&.content&full.&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fsome-covid-19-patients-show-signs-of-heart-damage-months-later-11600866000&.full&site=Online%20Journal&.page&video.&player.&type=Web&technology=html%203.41.2.205&.player&keywords=CORONAVIRUS%20RESPONSE%7CCORONAVIRUS%20TESTING%7CCOVID-19%20TESTING%7CDANIELA%20HERNANDEZ%7CPANDEMIC%7CTESTING%20SITES&base.&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fsome-covid-19-patients-show-signs-of-heart-damage-months-later-11600866000&.base&.video&article.&id=SB11126288623532913915004586647794135594296&author=Sarah%20Toy&publish=2020-09-23%2013%3A00&publish.&orig=2020-09-23%2013%3A00&.publish&.article&ad.&blank.&start=false&.blank&disabled=true&catastrophic.&blocker=false&.catastrophic&.ad&.c&pe=ms_s&pev3=video&s=1600x900&c=24&j=1.6&v=N&k=Y&bw=781&bh=776&mcorgid=CB68E4BA55144CAA0A4C98A5%40AdobeOrg&AQE=1 or somesuch (it may not be identical for you). If you open this in VLC Player, you can save playlists as videos. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Custodianship

Welcome to en.wv custodianship User:Koavf. Thanks for helping. Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:04, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Merci, James. I hope I'm an asset to the community. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Bowling article

Hey there Koavf! I've created that bowling article we discussed at the Colloquium. Do you have any advice on how I can further improve it? Contributor 118,784 (discuss • contribs) 01:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Nice. I don't have any particular feedback other than what I mentioned there. I'm pretty ignorant about bowling. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:26, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Fair, thank you! Contributor 118,784 (discuss • contribs) 09:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

RCA talkback (January 2024)

Hello, Koavf. You have messages at WV:RCA.
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MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 02:31, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to discuss page deletion policy

A discussion that might interest you has been started at Wikiversity:Requests_for_Deletion#Wikiversity:Deletion_Convention_2024. -- Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 17:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

RCA talkback

Hello, Koavf. You have messages at Wikiversity:Request_custodian_action#Induced_stem_cells_copyright_issues.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 02:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Report

Hello, I would like to report this user, who has a COI: Special:Contributions/Oluwadarasimi Morayo

Thank you. Ternera (discuss • contribs) 14:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. It's best to leave these at a board like Wikiversity:Request custodian action, but this was obvious spam. Cheers. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Files

Hello! Thank you for deleting files once again!

You made a comment about "all local uploads".

Fair-use is not allowed on Commons so the 2,712 files in Category:All non-free media can't go to Commons. But as I understand Wikiversity:Requests_for_Deletion#Deleting_ALL_non-free_uploads_by_User:Marshallsumter the files uploaded by Marshallsumter could be deleted. That would eliminate 1,126 files. Since Wikiversity:Uploading_files#Exemption_Doctrine_Policy allow fair use it would require a vote/discussion to change that.

Young1lim uploads many pdf-files and as far as I know Commons generally do not like pdf-files. Except when it is scans of old books etc. So I do not think those files should go to Commons right now.

There are still many files in Special:UnusedFiles. Right now 1,422 but some are uploaded by Young1lim. But the latest deletion request ended with delete so I think there is concensus to delete files. But some were also found good and moved to Commons. So the question is if we need another discussion about the files or if someone (you?) could just go through the files when you have a little time and either move to Commons or delete. If you think we could make one final discussion about all the files and ask for a go to the "any admin that want to can check the files and either move to Commons or delete". Then noone can come later and complain that you or another admin just deleted a file without warning.

If there are 40k files in total. Perhaps 22k are pdf uploaded by Young1lim. 3k are non-free. 1.5k are unused. That would leave around 13.5k free files in use. That is a lot of files to check. I do not think there are many users that are willing to spend much time checking those files.

But it would help if no more free files are uploaded (except pdf). There is allready a text on the top of Special:Upload suggesting commons. But it could perhaps be made more clear. And perhaps some of the options on MediaWiki:Licenses could be removed. --MGA73 (discuss • contribs) 18:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, to be clear, I appreciate that sister projects like e.g. Wikibooks allow a lot of free-use files because they allow video game strategy guides and there is substantial value in screenshots or Wikipedia allows album covers and film posters as identifying media. I'm not proposing any change to policy and I accept that there are reasons for fair use, so I apologize for that sloppy wording. That said, I definitely think we should have minimal fair use if any at all.

As for PDFs, there are plenty at Commons: I have uploaded dozens and dozens of books, scientific articles, etc. It's not a problem, but it's just not optimal for many kinds of files, such as maps or something.

I'm happy to help and slog thru the uplaods if you start a conversation. Just ping me. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes fair use have some benefits. But If we/someone is going to make a cleanup it could perhaps be a good idea to first have a discussion about it. So I will start a post about fair use on wikiversity.

And about unused files I will start a deletion discussion (again) just to be sure.

If you feel like deleting files you could kill the files uploaded by Marshallsumter. :-) --MGA73 (discuss • contribs) 09:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I started a discussion at Wikiversity:Colloquium#Fair_use_on_Wikiversity. Lets see what happens. --MGA73 (discuss • contribs) 21:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

With the files of Marshallsumter gone that really helped a lot! Lets see what everyone thinks about the rest of the files. It will probably take weeks the get enough comments. But thats okay. It is summer and vacation time and if the files have been around for years they can easily wait a little longer. --MGA73 (discuss • contribs) 19:20, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Revert?

Why did you revert this argument? I wanted (humorously) to make the observation that the guilty party at the end of a suicide is dead but is the only one that can be punished. Attempted and assisted suicide wasn't included. 176.0.152.191 (discuss) 22:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

It's not really a venue for hilarious jokes about killing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

but I remember there was really some law along that line. With a similar explanation. Some king (could be from a fairy tale, but I don't believe so) wanted to outlaw suicide and his advisers had this idea. The judge (or the king himself) would speak the verdict and justice was already done. So the king was famous for his his fair and swift justice. You see I don't remember too clearly, therefore I wanted to compress the essence of this into an argument. I didn't think it was that hilarious, so sorry for injured sensitivity. Now that you know what I wanted to do, could you please formulate an accordingly compressed argument, in the appropriate tone? 176.0.152.191 (discuss) 00:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I think you can. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not a native speaker. And that you found it hilarious, where I targeted a slightly levied tone shows me that I can't really do it. 176.0.152.191 (discuss) 01:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I believe in you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)