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User group for Wikiversians

Was there ever a discussion about the possibility of establishing a user group in the sense of an affiliated organization that would defend the interests of professors and scientists on Wikiversity and possibly actively develop some projects? Juandev (discuss • contribs) 20:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

It's a pleasure to talk to a scientist on Wikiversity. I am a historian of technics and I would like to publish the following biography either on Wikiversity or on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:Rbmn/Arthur_Constantin_KREBS_(1850-1935):_Military_engineer,_Automotive_industrialist,_Great_projects_manager

What would be your advice? Rbmn (discuss • contribs) 15:44, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

The content appears to be largely biographical/encyclopedic, so I think it is likely best suited to Wikipedia. Consider improving/incorporating this content into the existing page: w:Arthur Constantin Krebs. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Please do not link to the Wikiversity Userspace in Wikipedia articles. You will want to wait until you have a page in the Wikiversity mainspace. You'll also want to use the {{Wikiversity}} template (on Wikipedia) rather than embedding a photo with a link. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 02:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Rich's Illustrated Companion at Wikiversity: Right place?

Hello! I am creating a Wiki-version of a classical glossary (Illustrated Companion to the Latin Dictionary, and Greek Lexicon by Anthony Rich, 1849), which explains the meaning of Latin headwords, primarily those "representing visible objects connected with the arts, manufactures, and every-day life of the Greeks and Romans." The aim is to help understand what a (classical) Latin text is actually about, instead of merely translating it. I already transcribed the entire text and scanned the images (about 1900) from an original 1849-edition. I am currently working on uploading the images to Mediawiki Commons, which probably will take some time. In the meantime I want to prepare the other aspects of the project (more than 3000 articles, already with many internal links). The important thing: this is not a might exist-project. My question: Is Wikiversity the proper place for it? Although I created an exact rendition of the original text, Wikisource is not applicable, because the project has a broader scope (adding content to the articles, e. g. links to online editions for quotations, adding images, but also adding entirely new articles). Neither is Wikibooks, because this is not a textbook and may otherwise breach its scope. For more about the project see my user-page at en.wikipedia. So, is Wikiversity the right place for it? CalRis25 (discuss • contribs) 09:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. To be clear, it is acceptable to make annotated editions of texts at Wikisource and Wikibooks does host at least one annotated guide to a copyright-protected work. So if what you're looking to do is to include inline annotations to a public domain text, you certainly can put that on Wikisource. If you have a textbook or guidebook that is a companion, that would go at Wikibooks. If you have some other kind of learning resources (like maintaining a list of relevant links, organizing a book reading group, etc.), that could go here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick answer. Actually, Wikibooks was my first thought. However, this project is not merely an annotated edition. Although at first it will be a faithful copy of the original text, I want the project to be "open", i. e. adding articles should be possible. And the project should enable to do a lot more than mere inline annotation. See section Improving Rich in the project description a my user-page (en.Wikipedia). No Mediawiki-project (Wikisource, Wikibooks, Wikipedia, Wiktionary) seemed to be a sufficiently applicable "fit" for the project, so I thought of Wikiversity as a last resort, because it is supposed to be home to all sorts of "learning resources". CalRis25 (discuss • contribs) 09:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The scope of Wikiversity is pretty catch-all and would allow for a pretty flexible place to host most learning resources that don't fit elsewhere.

Also, as nitpick, "MediaWiki" is the software that is the basis of these wikis (wikis being collections of interlinked documents that can be edited) and "Wikimedia Foundation" is the non-profit who owns the trademarks and hosts these projects like Wiktionary and Wikivoyage. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Justin, thank you for the reply. I think that settles it. I will create this project at Wikiversity. Just for additional clarification, why I do so. Let's imagine a full transcription of the original 1849-edition of the Illustrated Companion by Anthony Rich and call it RICH-1849. We shall call my project, for brevity sake, RICH-2K. And now, let's have a look at the article about the Roman toga (a piece of attire). In RICH-1849 we can can call it RICH-1849/Toga, and it contains exactly the content of the 1849-book. Now, let's look at the article RICH-2K/Toga. At the beginning its only content would be the article RICH-1849/Toga. Does that make RICH-2K/Toga and RICH-1849/Toga the same? Not at all, because in truth RICH-2K/Toga is a "container" which initially contains only the article RICH-1849/Toga but later on may include more stuff: images, external links, article text which builds on or extends RICH-1849/Toga and information from other sources of information (Wikipedia, specialized books). By the way, this added article information would not be a mere copy of the text at en.Wikipedia, because the information needs to looked at through the eyes of someone reading the original text (more citations with direct links to these etc.). CalRis25 (discuss • contribs) 11:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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New Template:Form

Hi! Today I was bold and created Template:Form (which calls Module:WikiForm and MediaWiki:Gadget-WikiForm.js). The template allows to create user-friendly forms that can create pages or add content to existing pages. My motivation and first use case was this form to create new wikidebates, but I suspect the template can be useful elsewhere on Wikiversity. Let me know if you notice any issues or have any requests or concerns. Kind regards, Sophivorus (discuss • contribs) 15:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery (discuss • contribs) 23:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Template consolidation: User talk page block notice

Wondering if someone who likes templates could have a go at consolidating or helping decide between use of:

• Template:Block
• Template:Blocked

Unless I'm missing something, it seems like we don't need both?

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 07:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I tried to figure out a Wikidata item with most links to projects. I found this: Wikidata:Q6379131, which is Template:Uw-block. There is even a corresponding Wikiversity template, Template:Uw-block1 (not used anywhere).

My impression is that of the three templates, we only need one. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 14:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Re: The Vector 2022 skin as the default in two weeks?

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Hello everyone, I'm reaching out on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Web team responsible for the MediaWiki skins. I'd like to revisit the topic of making Vector 2022 the default here on English Wikiversity. I did post a message about this almost two years ago (where you can find all the details about the skin), but we didn't finalize it back then.

What happened in the meantime? We built dark mode and different options for font sizes, and made Vector 2022 the default on most wikis, including all other Wikiversities. With the not-so-new V22 skin being the default, existing and coming features, like dark mode and temporary accounts respectively, will become available for logged-out users here.

So, if no large concerns are raised, we will deploy Vector 2022 here in two weeks, in the week of September 16. Do let me know if you have any questions. Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 21:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, Szymon - we look forward to the upcoming change of skin Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 07:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

• I for one oppose a switch to Vector 2022. I do not find it preferable. Here is a staggering evidence of user refusal of Vector 2022 once it was deployed: W:en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rollback of Vector 2022, Junuary 2023. 355 voters supported rollback to Vector 2010 whereas 64 opposed, yielding 84.7% support, as clear a supermajority as one may wish. These people opposing Vector 2022 feel the same way as I do. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 10:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

  Hey @Dan Polansky. Thanks for your comment. I'm open to discussion about problems with our software, and I hope we can maintain a respectful tone.

  I understand that there are users who prefer Vector legacy or other skins, just as there are people who still stick to Monobook. Such people are active across many wikis. They can keep Vector legacy, although non-default skins don't have the support the default ones do. We are rolling out for technical reasons, as I mentioned above, with benefit to not logged-in users.

  Regarding the rollback RfC on Wikipedia, two neutral users stated that there was no consensus for rollback, RfC is not a vote, and the numbers were different (355:226:24). I believe this all is pretty easy to verify.

  So to sum up, Vector 2022 needs to become the default, tons and tons of comments were made about the skin and related stuff, and we have taken many ideas into account, and it's totally OK if you stick to Vector legacy.

  Thanks! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (discuss • contribs) 19:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

  Today, I visited Wikiversity and found it switched to Vector 2022. I changed my preference settings to Vector 2010. From what I understand, non-registered visitors are now defaulted to Vector 2022 despite its unpopularity in W:en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rollback of Vector 2022. I have not seen any evidence that users prefer Vector 2022, and given the evidence in the linked RfC, I tentatively conclude that the decision to switch has made the site experience worse for the majority of users. The logic of "you can switch" surely applies to Vector 2022 as well: those who prefer it can switch to it. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery (discuss • contribs) 12:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Separate page for hyperbola.

Good morning,

I notice that a search for "hyperbola" redirects to "Conic sections".

At present there is a separate page for "ellipse". Therefore a separate page for "hyperbola" seems to be justified.

Could this redirection be changed so that search for "hyperbola" goes to a separate page for "hyperbola"?

Many thanks,

ThaniosAkro (discuss • contribs) 12:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

It is true that ellipses are covered at Conic sections (along with hyperbolas, parabolas, etc.) and there is a separate page for ellipses that elaborates. We certainly could have a page about hyperbolas that is separate, but no one has written sufficient content to spin it off yet. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 12:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I hereby request for your Unblocking IP address and just reviewed and received a reverted rec

Hi there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishmael Raphasha (talk • contribs)

No one has any clue what you're talking about. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

RICH-2K: New project with some initial questions

Hello! I'm creating a new learning resource on Wikiversity. The respective project is based on my transcription of a classical dictionary from 1849 by Anthony Rich. For more information about the project see its description page (see also that page for why not Wikisource or Wikibooks). The project's scope is fairly big: 3205 article-pages plus 304 REDIRECT-pages. The images (scanned by myself from an original copy) have been uploaded to Commons. I have some initial technical questions (more of these and more detailed ones will follow):

• Upload: Due to the large number of pages it is not realistic to create these manually. Is it possible to bulk-upload these in some way (the Wikitext of the pages is created using a Python-script with one file per article/page)? Is it possible to upload these to a test-environment first where any problems (hopefully none) can be identified and dealt with more easily than on the production-version of Wikiversity?
• (Technical) Structure: I am planning to set up this project at https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/RICH-2K as the main page and anything else as subpages: RICH-2K/Subpage_1 ... RICH-2K/Subpage_n. However, these subpages fall into two categories: 1. Article-pages (content) and 2. Meta/Administrative pages. This project requires search capability restricted to the RICH-2K-namespace. The Mediawiki-software seems to supply a Search-input field with the possibility to restrict the search to some namespace. I would like, however, to restrict the search further to the first group of pages, namely the articles. Is that possible, perhaps by use of (hidden) categories?
• External links: This project will need many external links, and yes, I have read the relevant Wikiversity-pages, but this specific project needs them. The Recommended Editions-page (used for recommended online editions, to which to link when citing texts) alone probably will require several hundred external links. However, only relatively few second-level domains will be involved, and most of these should be trustworthy (Perseus Digital library, digital collections of universities etc., in some cases, however, also Archive.org). Perhaps there is a list of web-sites, for which external links are generally allowed? And who is allowed to create external links on Wikiversity-pages (I haven't found the relevant policy)?
• Categories: This project requires quite a few of its own categories, which belong to two large groups: 1. Categories (2 levels) of the Classed Index (about 170 categories), a thematic index of some (but not all) of the articles. 2. Administrative categories. Is there a recommended way to distinguish between different classes of categories within a project (category name or other method)? What about naming conventions for project-specific categories?

I am looking forward to your input. If you think that it's preferable we can move the discussions to the Talk-page of the project's description. Thank you in advance. CalRis25 (discuss • contribs) 05:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

• Admins have access to Special:Import and can bulk import XML pages. You can create pages in your sandbox if you'd like and make an indefinite amount of them at pages like User:CalRis25/sandbox. What can and cannot be hosted in user namespace is very loose, but still has to follow in principle Wikiversity's scope.
• Using subpages is in principle a good way to organize these various resources. Please do not name them after a user name or something obscure. I personally think that "RICH-2K" is a not optimal name. I may recommend something like Anthony Rich Dictionary Project or 21st-Century Anthony Rich Dictionary or something more obviously intelligible. While we have very few actual policies and guidelines, see Wikiversity:Naming conventions for a rough consensus of what is probably best practice for naming pages.
• External linking generally does not use an allowed list (a.k.a. whitelist model), but a disallow (a.k.a. blacklist) model. See MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist and Special:BlockedExternalDomains (which is currently empty but is another method of listing blocked domains). It's perfectly fine to aggregate external links in learning resources.
• I'm not 100% sure what the distinction is that you're drawing, but you can freely arrange categories underneath a main category that has the same name as your larger project. So, following the suggestions I gave, you could have a category like Category:Anthony Rich Dictionary Project and then create any number of subcategories that logically help users navigate all these pages. Please make sure the main category you create is itself categorized under some relevant category(ies). If you need help, please ask.

I think this answers your questions, please let me know if I'm unclear or you have more. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Justin!

• Upload: Creating the project in sandbox pages of my User-namespace defeats the purpose, as this is an open project. Also that would not solve, as such, the problem of having to manually create thousands of pages. I wonder, does Wikiversity support creation of pages using its API. Mediawiki's API-description seems to imply that it ought to be possible. If that's the case, I should be able to create a Python-script which automatically creates the pages (of course, a few trial pages first).
• (Technical) Structure: You may be right, here. RICH-2K is, for now, merely a technical name to make a clear but not too verbose distinction between the original text and the current project. I'll give this more thought.
• External links: I brought this up mainly because when I first edited my Wikiversity-page, I got a message that I was not allowed to create external links. However, I just now tested creating an external link on my user-page and got no error, so this problem seems to be solved.
• Categories: I think I know what you mean. I'll create a category structure and maybe ask some specific questions once I am ready to do so.

Thank you for your quick help. CalRis25 (discuss • contribs) 18:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

re: upload, I'm just suggesting your sandbox(es) as you asked about "a test-environment". Anyone can edit someone else's sandboxes, but you typically defer to other users to control what's in their own subpages as a collegial thing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I have two further questions:

1. I created a category-structure for the project. Could you (or someone else) have a look at it (User:CalRis25/RICH: Categories) and answer the questions in the section Questions? I gave it some thought and believe that this would work fine for the project.
2. Project boxes (see Help:Tour of project boxes): It is unclear to me, whether these belong only on the main page of the project (that makes the most sense to me), or on every single subpage.

Thanks in advance for your help. CalRis25 (discuss • contribs) 17:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

To answer your questions here:

• No, you are not contravening any policies we have.
• A leading "The" is acceptable, but if you want it to sort alphabetically, you will have to use {{DEFAULTSORT:}}. E.g. to get Category:The Best Stuff to sort under "B", insert "{{DEFAULTSORT:Best Stuff, The}}.
• Trailing "etc." is acceptable.
• An accent in a category title is acceptable.

I'll also note that it looks like you have in mind some tracking categories that are redundant. Pages such as Special:LonelyPages and Special:DeadendPages already do automatically what you're proposing to do manually.

As for project boxes, it's typically the case that the subjects are only placed on the main resource, but as you may imagine, status completion ones may vary from subpage to subpage. As with most things at Wikiversity, there are very few actual rules, so it's pretty much the wild west, even tho this project has been around for almost 20 years. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Justin, thanks for the DEFAULTSORT-hint for categories beginning with The. I will restrict the project boxes to the main page. As for the the orphaned/dead-end-categories, I prefer these to be project-specific. Once the project is up and running, putting articles "on the map" (making them accessible from other articles and creating links to other articles) is one of the first tasks to be dealt with. I already know which articles are involved and will add these categories to these articles. CalRis25 (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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Download as PDF

Phabricator:T376438: "Download to PDF" on en.wv is returning error: "{"name":"HTTPError","message":"500","status":500,"detail":"Internal Server Error"}"

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 22:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I just downloaded this page as a PDF and it worked just fine. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Protected template bug for Pp

It seems that templates derivative of {{Pp}} (compiled in {{Protection templates}}) are being sorted into protection categories using the name 'Wikipedia' instead of 'Wikiversity' (e.g., Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates). From what I can tell, it is not in the publicly accessible source code of any of the templates. The only other impacted pages are modules which call {{pp}}-derivatives (e.g., Module:Navbar/styles.css).

This does not seem to affect any other pages in Category:Wikiversity protected templates. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 18:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that "Wikipedia" is mentioned in several modules that were copied over from en.wp; many of these are legit and many of them need to be replaced with "Wikiversity" (e.g.) This particular change may fix all of these issues...? But 1.) it will take time to propagate across the site and 2.) there are still many more "Wikipedia"s that need to be changed, so I'll go thru a few more, but if you want to give me an assist, if you can just check this one week from now and ping me if the problem persists, that would be nice. Sometimes, I make calendar reminders to follow up on these, but I'm not a perfect person. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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'Edit to my talk page' notification bug?

This may belong at the bug tracker, but does anyone else have an issue disabling email notifications upon an 'Edit to my talk page' in Special:GlobalPreferences? Oddly I am able to disable the global preference on Wikipedia, MediaWiki, etc, but not here. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 09:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I have not experienced this, but to be clear, do you also have the option to get emails when items on your talk page are edited turned on? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

The only (non-grayed out) options I have enabled for email are 'Failed login attempts' and 'Login from an unfamiliar device'. 'Edit to my talk page' re-checks after every save. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 09:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

That does sound like a phab: issue, with the caveat that I don't 100% recall how global preferences work and if they override local ones, etc. If you have parsed that and still have this issue, you'll probably need to file a ticket. Maybe someone else has this issue. Wish I could help. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Off 'n away 🫡 Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 10:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Portal:Computer Science ➝ Portal:Information sciences

Seeking consensus to complete the merge into the broader portal. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 06:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Why should it be merged? Computer Science seems well-enough designed. What is the incentive to collapse it into a broader field of study? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Portals as top level organizations allowing for content to be best centralized. Also note that I did not start the merge, just offering to finish it. Perhaps a {{prod}} instead? Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 07:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I have no objections, personally. If it gets done, please use a redirect and should someone want to come along to resurrect it later, it will be easier. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Is computer science really a branch of information sciences? I would not think so, but what do I know. Do we have some external resources/links confirm this idea? W:Information science currently says: "Information science, documentology[1] or informatology[2][3] is an academic field which is primarily concerned with analysis, collection, classification, manipulation, storage, retrieval, movement, dissemination, and protection of information." --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 14:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Looking through [1] [2] [3] a few top (not necessarily RS) searches I'm inclined to agree. I am more familiar with the grafted information and computer science which makes an effort to merge the disciplines, but it does not seem like reaching to say that IS is presented as more applications-concerned (certainly with no lack of theoretical abstraction), whereas CS can be more freely associated with any and all 'science related to computers'. It is easy to reason about the connection between the fields, but I think it is clear academia maintains this taxonomy for a good reason.

With these considerations, I think I will stop the process of merging in favor of expanding the existing School:Library and Information Science.

Let me know if there is not consensus to redirect Portal:Information sciences to School:Library and Information Science (with enough expansion it can generalize away from just library sciences). Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 16:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I do not see that a merge of a portal to a school is a good thing. Do you have a clear idea of the concepts of school and portal and how they relate to each other? --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 16:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Found Category:Information sciences; there are enough existing resources in there to make my other proposed merge excessive. I will simply continue developing the existing Portal:Information sciences instead. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 17:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Frankly, I would ideally see Portal:Information sciences deleted: I don't see what it does that a category would not do well enough. There does not seem to be any material specific to "Information sciences" (whatever that is) in that portal at all. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 17:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Tacked a {{prod}} for an eventual deletion, but I may still try to develop it as proof of concept at some point. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 17:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Category:Occupational Epidemiology

I propose moving the pages in this category (without leaving redirects) to their equivalent under the parent resource Occupational Health Risk Surveillance. Also due to the number of subpages, it seems |filing=deep would be a justified. (Also there are quite a few untagged subpages.) Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 05:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I above all think that the content should be moved out of the mainspace: I do not see readers learning anything from e.g. Occupational Epidemiology/Research tools/Reading of scientific articles for learning epidemiology and biostatstics or Occupational Epidemiology/Research tools/Ongoing projects/Risk Communication in Seafaring/Writing the article guideline IMRAD. Wikiversity can be kind enough to host that material in, say, subspace of User:Saltrabook, but more should not be asked, I think. Let us recall that per WV:Deletions, "Resources may be eligible for proposed deletion when education objectives and learning outcomes are scarce, and objections to deletion are unlikely"; I do not see how learning outcomes can be anything but scarce. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 15:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

thank you, agree @ Saltrabook (discuss • contribs) 21:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Active editors

It is interesting to observe the stats on active editors through the project's history. October is our month! Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 20:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Odd. Maybe related to the school year? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I wonder how many are Jtneill's crowd... the number is in the hundreds though, so that is one chunky cohort —Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 02:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Motivation and emotion/Book involves ~100-150 students editing most intensely during October each year. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 02:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Neat, that still leaves around ~50-100 other students from other avenues each year since 2021. I also wonder which projects were involved in the COVID enrollment spike. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 02:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Personally I can admit that my editing is much more active during the school season vs. the summer break, so I'm in the same boat as Jtneill's students. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 21:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Intentionally incorrect resource

There is a disclaimer inserted onto a resource (by not the original author) that:

I am merely [making this page false] to show you (The viewer) that Wikipedia and this page 'Wikiversity' is bull sh*t and it will not give you the reliability you need when writing an academic piece of writing.

However, that IP has not made any other edits, so unless they vandalized via a sock, the intent went un-realized and only that portion need be removed. Bumping here in case there is some obvious jumbo in that essay that someone else can catch. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 16:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Removed that portion, which was obviously vandalism. No perspective on the rest of the essay. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Category:Proposed guidelines

Noting for future editors that WV has collapsed all proposals into proposed policies. Seeking consensus to further collapse Category:Wikiversity proposals into the former, or to restore Category:Proposed guidelines. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 19:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Broken 80-second tour

Bumping a comment on the Wikiversity in 80 seconds tour. Appears wikisuite is not working with the Vector 2022 appearance.

Also see this thread on the Wikiversal package - may not be relevant to Wikiversity, but FYC. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 00:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I would just delete the material; I do not see value in it. If others agree, I would try to articulate why I think it should be deleted (or move to author user space). --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Just mark as {{historical}}. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

This thing was created by User:Planotse. His creations are now being discussed in Wikibooks for deletion: B:Wikibooks:Requests for deletion#Wikiversal generated pages. It seems he used some kind of tool that is no longer available (the above mentioned "Wikiversal" package) to create this kind of slideshow-like material (believing the Wikibooks discussion). I do not see value of this in the mainspace, not even as historical (I am okay with userspace, but maybe even that is not the best option?). A look at the source code of Around Wikiversity in 80 Seconds/Introduction confirms the words of Omphalographer, namely that "the HTML-heavy markup generated by Wikiversal makes them [the pages] unreasonably difficult to edit."

I went ahead and marked the page for proposed deletion. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 09:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Preliminary results of the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections

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Interactive elements

Can we use interactive elements on Wikiversity? I'd like to add JavaScript to a page. If it's not possible now, where can I suggest this feature? I have a safe integration idea. Отец Никифор (discuss • contribs) 12:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

This is beyond my technical knowledge, but have you checked out:

• https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/JavaScript?
• Wikipedia:WikiProject JavaScript
• MediaWiki:Common.js

What sort of interactive elements are you thinking about?

Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 03:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking about adding something like a graph with adjustable controls, where users can interact with it and see how different changes affect the outcome. It seems like this could be a useful feature. There might already be discussions about enhancing Wikiversity or similar platforms—perhaps on a relevant talk page or in a Discord group. Do you know where such discussions might be happening? Отец Никифор (discuss • contribs) 19:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

From a quick look, maybe check out:

• mw:Extension:Graph
• phab:tag/graphs

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 22:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

mw:Extension:Graph is currently disabled on Wikipedia etc. wikis, for security reasons, and seems unlikely to be enabled again. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 09:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

An unexplained spurt of Wikiversity page views

The page view report shows an unexplained spurt of Wikiversity page views, reaching over 4 times the baseline and then falling back again. Does anyone have any idea what is going on? --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 08:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Center tempate failed on a contributors phone...

See the edit comment here - https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiphilosophers&diff=prev&oldid=2673962. I'm puzzled as this is the first failure of this, I've noted recently. ShakespeareFan00 (discuss • contribs) 08:45, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Essay-like page in user space that makes little sense and seems incoherent

The page User:TheoYalur/Illusions seems to match the description, at least by my assessment. My understanding is that since the page is only in user space and not in the mainspace, it can stay there even if it has those disqualifying qualities. But if I am wrong and the page belongs deleted, please correct me and let me know. I do not know which policy or guideline, if any, guides the case. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 12:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

'Wikidata item' link is moving, finally.

Hello everyone, I previously wrote on the 27th September to advise that the Wikidata item sitelink will change places in the sidebar menu, moving from the General section into the In Other Projects section. The scheduled rollout date of 04.10.2024 was delayed due to a necessary request for Mobile/MinervaNeue skin. I am happy to inform that the global rollout can now proceed and will occur later today, 22.10.2024 at 15:00 UTC-2. Please let us know if you notice any problems or bugs after this change. There should be no need for null-edits or purging cache for the changes to occur. Kind regards, -Danny Benjafield (WMDE) 11:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Android app for Wikiversity

Hi, is there an Android app for Wikiversity? How does it work? I have been advised that there is no infrastructure for push notifications for Android apps for sister wikis and I would be interested to know more. Related: phab:T378545. Thanks! Gryllida 23:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for suggesting this - I agree that it would be useful. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Import Resource From Wikibooks?

Hello! Character List for Baxter&Sagart and related titles are up for deletion at Wikibooks because WB policy does not allow dictionaries like them. However, because they are useful as learning tools, I am wondering if they might have a home here at Wikiversity. Pinging @Tibetologist here to link them in to this discussion, since they are the affected user. Thank you! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I can do it. That said, as mentioned there, it does seem like something like this is ideally suited for Wiktionary in the Appendix namespace, but I'm not very familiar with CJK characters and languages. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh man, these pages are too big to import and while I've already tried a half-dozen times, it will constantly fail. Strictly speaking, we don't have to use the import feature for licensing purposes. We can just copy and paste the contents and list the usernames or on the talk page. I think that's the solution. @Tibetologist:, are you interested in doing that? If you just copied and pasted these pages and then added Category:Chinese and maybe include a couple of links to the pages, that would probably be ideal. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Language translation requests?

Is there anywhere on Wikiversity to request translation, for example, requesting Latin or French translation? I would be asking from the context as a student, so I would be interested in translation explanation as well. Indexcard88 (discuss • contribs) 04:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Sign up for the language community meeting on November 29th, 16:00 UTC

Hello everyone,

The next language community meeting is coming up next week, on November 29th, at 16:00 UTC (Zonestamp! For your timezone <https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000>). If you're interested in joining, you can sign up on this wiki page: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community_meetings#29_November_2024>.

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