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Author: Mike Christie[i]ORCID iD.svg , et al.

Christie, M; et al.. 




 


Plagiarism check

Artículo bueno.svg Pass. WMF copyvio tool using TurnItIn. Phrases such as "Pendulum steering for thermal probes in glaciers" were similarly used in external pages, but were not regarded as plagiarism. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 11:54, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

First peer reviewer

Review by Kendrick Taylor , Research Professor Emeritus, Desert Research Institute, Chief Scientist, WAIS Divide ice core project
This review was submitted on , and refers to this previous version of the article


I have read it carefully have found it to be accurate and complete. I recommend publication as it is.

Entered per request for Professor Kendrick Taylor. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 12:44, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Second peer reviewer

Review by Dennis V. Duling , Chief Driller, Hot-Water Drill System (HWDS), the Whillans Ice Stream Subglacial Access Research Drilling (WISSARD) Team
This review was submitted on , and refers to this previous version of the article


Recommended changes made directly to article:

  • corrected the number of sub glacial lakes to several hundred as listed by the web site "Antarctic Glaciers.org",
  • in the hot water drill section changed the part that says counter weights to "enlist the use of some type of hose reel, capstan, or some type of hose assist for raising and lowering,
  • added the WISSARD/SALSA project, the WISSARD drill, mid sized hot water drill, drilled clean access up to 1km at Lake Mercer in Antarctica,
  • mentioned that hot water corers are susceptible to debris stopping forward motion in dirty ice.

Entered per request for Chief Driller Dennis V. Duling. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 04:50, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Third peer review

Review by anonymous peer reviewer ,
This review was submitted on , and refers to this previous version of the article


Initially:

1. The title of this article is very large. The content is not fully demenstrated all the aspects related to ice drilling.

Response

Can you say what is missing? The intention is to cover drilling methods, but not, for example, details of how ice cores are analyzed, or how ice drilling projects are financed and organized. Perhaps it would be better to rename the article "Ice drilling methods"? Mike Christie (discusscontribs) 10:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Review by anonymous peer reviewer ,
This review was submitted on , and refers to this previous version of the article


Ice drilling technology/ ice drills is more appropriate for this article.

The definition on ice drilling system is different with ice drill which is only a part of ice drilling system.

If here we only discuss about ice drills, surface equipment can be excluded.

If section 13 means "drill components", it is better to add driven/power unit because it is also a key component for a drill.

Response

I have renamed the article "Ice drilling technology"; I agree that the title was too broad.

I agree that the drive unit is a key component. This may be a shortcoming in the article. The sources I am familiar with do not discuss the design constraints or options for the motors. For example, Talalay's Mechanical Ice Drilling Technology has a chapter on cable-suspended E-M drills that lists the major designs, but he does no more than name the motor chosen for each drill. For the DISC drill, he says "the drill motor is an Emoteq hollow-bore frameless model rated to 1.8 kW at a maximum of 7500 rpm. The motor rotates the screen and core barrels using a 30:1 Harmonic Drive reducer." The other drill motors are described similarly; there's no discussion of why a particular motor is chosen. I have some older sources such as Splettstoesser, Ice Core Drilling, the proceedings of the 1974 University of Nebraska symposium, which have some more details, but I don't think they're usable. For example, Splettstoesser includes Mellor & Sellmann, "General considerations for drill system design", which discusses power requirements for mechanical chipping and cutting, but doesn't talk about motor designs. John Rand's "The USA CRREL shallow drill", also in Splettstoesser, like Talalay just lists the motor specifications with no discussion.

I think unless there are sources that specifically talk about the design constraints on these motors in terms of the needs of ice drilling, there's not much that can usefully be added. I've not been able to find anything along those lines, and this is a survey article, rather than original research, which limits my ability to go beyond the sources.

2. The logic of this article is hard to catch. I suggest the author to make clearer subtitles first and put it into a more logical way.

Response

I'd be glad to look at another organization but it would be helpful if you could make specific comments about how it could be improved. The goals section is first since a reader unfamiliar with the topic needs to know why ice drilling projects are undertaken at all. The design considerations section is next in order to give the reader information about constraints on ice drilling methods. The remaining sections are organized by type of drill, with a final section giving additional information on some specialized subsystems. Mike Christie (discusscontribs) 10:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

3. The goals of ice drilling is better to give more detailed interpretation, for instance what is the scientific purposes of all the IPICS projects.

Response

The IPICS goals are listed at the end of the "Goals" section. Since this is an article about methods, I felt more was not needed, but if there is something you think should be added please let me know. Mike Christie (discusscontribs) 10:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

4. The drilling design consideration is not covered all types of ice drills, whether it is appropriate to be one independent session.

Response

This section is intended to cover all the constraints on drilling methods, not all of which apply to every type of drill. Can you say which types of drill it doesn't cover? I think you are saying that the section should be split -- can you say how it should be split? Mike Christie (discusscontribs) 10:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

5. Surface equipment is also very important in ice drilling. Especially considering the logistics.

Response

Since this article is about methods, I have included only limited information about other equipment. In the "Ice removal method and project logistics" section there is a short paragraph about logistics; is there something specific you think should be added here? Mike Christie (discusscontribs) 10:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

6. High mountain glacier drilling is very special better to mention it as well.

Response

I'm not clear what you're asking for here -- the logistics are difficult in high mountain glacier drilling, so is this another comment about the need to expand the logistics discussion? As with the previous point, I am reluctant to stray too far from the methods as it would greatly expand the scope of the article. Mike Christie (discusscontribs) 10:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Further modification can be done after this.

Additional comments by first reviewer

Review by Kendrick Taylor ,
This review was submitted on , and refers to this previous version of the article


Comment 1

Either the original title or “Ice Drilling Methods” is an appropriate title. The only surface equipment that should be discussed is equipment directly related to the drill such as winches and towers. It is not appropriate to discuss project logistics, project organization, ice core handling or measurement methods, or power sources for the drill in this article.

Comment 2

The article is well organized, I see no reason to change it.

Comment 3

The description of ice drilling goals is consistent with the title, structure and intent of the article. I see no reason to expand it.

Comment 4

I do not understand what the reviewer is saying in comment number 4.

Comment 5

The only surface equipment that should be discussed is equipment directly related to the drill such as winches and towers. It is not appropriate to discuss project logistics, project organization, ice core handling or measurement methods, or power sources for the drill in this article. Although those are important aspects of organizing a project and influence the design of a drill for a specific project, they do not alter the drilling technology discussed in this article.

Comment 6

Since this article is about drilling, not projects, I see no reason to discuss high elevation drilling separately. The same drills can be used but the logistics are different.

The reviewer is trying to expand the scope of this article into the organizational aspects of ice drilling projects and that is not appropriate.