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Authors: Lisa Kipersztok1,2  , Gwinyai Masukume2,3,4[i]

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  1. ↑ parturitions@gmail.com

 

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Review by Mikael Häggström ,
These assessment comments were submitted on , and refer to this previous version of the article

Formatting

I made some format changes (as seen in [article history] for Jan 1, 2015).

I would like the explanation for those entries with an asterisk (*) to be a bit more specific, since it apparently both comments on inheritance and applicability of the conditions and findings, but does not distinguish whether its usage in the text refers to one or the other meaning. If these comments should be kept, I suggest adding a separate note-list, such as with the following tags:

  • <ref name="Autosomalrecessive" group="note"/> for those that have autosomal recessive interitance
  • <ref name="Pigmentation" group="note"/> for those that may not be applicable in individuals with more pigmented skin

The code for the note list above the reference section will then be: 

==Notes==
<br>{{reflist|group="note"|
<br>refs=
<br><ref name="Autosomalrecessive" group="note">Inherited in an [[w:Dominance_(genetics)|autosomal recessive]] manner.</ref>
<br><ref name="Pigmentation" group="note">May not be applicable in those with [[w:Dark_skin|pigmented skin]]
</ref>
}}

Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 17:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion/Exclusion criterion

I believe there needs to be some statement of what is excluded from the list. For example, the table doesn't include food allergies, food poisonings or malnutrition (by excessive intake of a certain kind of food), which can all theoretically be combined with almost any type of food, making the list too exhaustive. With this in mind, I think "milk anemia" may fall outside the scope as well, unless there is a particular reason for including this one and not the others.
The other way around, some inclusion criterion would be appropriate. Judging from the existing entries, it seems a somewhat common denominator is that the condition or finding has a resemblance of the food. Again, this is not really being applicable to "milk anemia", and not really for "tumbler sign" either. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 20:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

All the entries appear to be cited by articles in proper medical journals, and they all appear to be used in medical literature otherwise as well judging from web searches. I currently find no further issue on any point given in [JMCP Peer Review Checklist and Guidelines].Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 16:23, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Utility for Wikipedia

I think this list deserves a place in Wikipedia similarly to the other lists given at Wikipedia:Medical eponyms.Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 16:23, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Permission from other journal

The table is included in the article in Malta Medical Journal, and I have gotten permission from them to reproduce the material here, on the condition that it is properly attributed to that journal. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 05:58, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest

I do a little bit of everything in Wikiversity Journal, otherwise I state no potential conflicts of interest in making this peer review. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 16:23, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Response

Thank you for your comments.

The entries marked with an asterisk are related to inborn errors of metabolism (IBEMs). It has been suggested that increased familiarity, education and advocacy are needed for this group of inherited disorders which fall within the remit of the Pediatrician.[1] We are of the view that since the table is focused on Pediatrics it is important to draw attention to IBEMs by means of a comment at the bottom of the table. The idea you propose for a “note-list” is acceptable to us, please feel free to implement it.

We would be happy to expand the note before the table to mention which terms were considered for inclusion. We included medical terms that have analogies related to food and drink (and related to items involved in the preparation or consumption of food and drink). Although not strictly an analogy, a tumbler is related to the consumption of fluid and we were of the opinion that it is also important to highlight the controversy surrounding the use of the tumbler test because of the serious ramifications associated with this test’s use. We agree that “milk anemia” does not fit into this framework.

Once again thank you for your comments. LK and GM Part (discuss • contribs) 21:04, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reference

  1. ↑ Levy, P. A. (2009). "Inborn Errors of Metabolism: Part 1: Overview". Pediatrics in Review 30 (4): 131–138. doi:10.1542/pir.30-4-131. ISSN 0191-9601. 

Discussion at WikiProject Medicine

The following discussion is copied from the discussion at WikiProject Medicine regarding this article earlier this year

Article: Table of pediatric medical conditions and findings named after foods
Peer review

Since Wikiversity Journal of Medicine is not yet acceptable as a reference itself, its main function is now to be an entry point for texts and images that qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia in their own right. I think that qualification is best discussed even before publication in this journal, and therefore I will now make entries on Wikipedia:Wikipedia talk:Wikiversity for new submissions to the journal, starting with the most recently peer reviewed submission, Table of pediatric medical conditions and findings named after foods. Please join its discussion at: Wikipedia:Wikipedia talk:Wikiversity#Include "Conditions and findings named after foods"?. Mikael Häggström (talk) 05:50, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I copied the discussion at WikiProject Medicine regarding this article earlier this year to the box below for reference. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 20:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Review by JFW and Ozzie10aaaa ,


Include "Conditions and findings named after foods"?

Sounds like WP:TRIVIA. These lists are kept in social media domains but it doesn't sound encyclopedia. JFW | T@lk 12:58, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
it probably is--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Response

Thanks JFW and Ozzie10aaaa for your comments. To the best of our knowledge we are not aware of such lists existing in the social media domains (unless they have originated from the published literature or they are spontaneous lists - of debatable quality - that have not been peer reviewed). In addition to the several references that we cite in [our article], here are more examples of such lists in the published literature.[1] [2]

Also, WP:TRIVIA that you refer to states, "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined." Our list is not temporary and has been presented in a way accepted for scholarly material as highlighted by our references. Our list falls under Medical eponyms (eponym - named after a person, place or thing) making it undoubtedly encyclopedic material. LK and GM. Part (talk) 04:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ↑ Wynia MK (1995). "Culinary Metaphors in Medicine". Infectious Diseases in Clinical Practice 4 (6): 437-440. ISSN 1536-9943. http://journals.lww.com/infectdis/Citation/1995/11000/Culinary_Metaphors_in_Medicine_.16.aspx. 
  2. ↑ Kumar K, Kumar A (1994). "Gastronomic pathology". Journal of General Internal Medicine 9 (4): 207. ISSN 0884-8734. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02600125. 

I copied the discussion in box below from Wikipedia:Wikipedia talk:Wikiversity. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 07:36, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Review by James Heilman ,


Additional discussion about this article is located at:


Review by AndyTheGrump ,


Why is Wikiversity content being discussed on Wikipedia? We aren't going to cite this article, per long-established policy, and any Wikipedia article on the subject of 'medical conditions and findings named after foods' would need to comply with normal Wikipedia policies - most obviously, evidence from published reliable sources that 'medical conditions and findings named after foods' was a notable subject. This cannot of course be demonstrated by simply compiling such a list - we need in-depth discussion of it as a topic in reliable sources. Which frankly I have my doubts will be found. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:54, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Response

We concur with AndyTheGrump that Wikiversity content in this particular instance is best not discussed on Wikipedia. We however do not concur with the other views because Wikipedia already has pages that cover food-related medical terms, for example, Wikipedia:Blueberry muffin baby, Wikipedia:Cherry-red spot, Wikipedia:Maple syrup urine disease, Wikipedia:Mulberry molar, Wikipedia:Port-wine stain and Wikipedia:Prune belly syndrome (the subject is notable). In addition food-related medical terms are subjects in well respected journals such as the The Lancet[1] [2] which is a published reliable source. There are further numerous examples of food-related medical terms appearing as a subject besides the cited examples.

The article/table already appears in a published reliable source, the Malta Medical Journal[3], meaning it can be cited.

Wikipedia guidelines do not [proscribe] primary sources as Doc James might have implied. It is stated that, "Articles should rely on secondary sources whenever possible". Because this discussion as higlighted by AndyTheGrump pertains to Wikiversity, primary sources are preferred according to the December 2014 ICMJE recommendations which are followed by virtually all the reputed journals in the world, ["Authors should provide direct references to original research sources whenever possible."] The terms mentioned occur predominantly but not exclusively in the pediatric age group, it is not unusual to classify these terms by medical specialty[4]. LK and GM Part (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ↑ Baeza-Trinidad, Ramón; de La Cuesta-López, Mirian Ruiz (2014). "Chocolate-coloured serum in methaemoglobinaemia". The Lancet. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(14)62011-0. ISSN 01406736. 
  2. ↑ Mestres, Carlos-A; Toshani, Abdulhafiz; Hemdan, Abdulsamee; Alewa, Alewa M; Bernal, José M (2011). "Hydatid pericardial tamponade: a grape soup". The Lancet 377 (9780): 1862. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(10)61154-3. ISSN 01406736. 
  3. ↑ Kipersztok Lisa, Masukume Gwinyai (2014). "Food for thought: Palatable eponyms from Pediatrics". Malta Medical Journal 26 (4): 46-50. ISSN 2308-4103. http://www.um.edu.mt/umms/mmj/showpdf.php?article=462. 
  4. ↑ Masukume, Gwinyai (2012). "Food for thought". Croatian Medical Journal 53 (1): 77–79. doi:10.3325/cmj.2012.53.77. ISSN 0353-9504. 


Review by AndyTheGrump ,


I am well aware that Wikipedia has articles on individual medical conditions etc named after foods. That is beside the point when discussing the notability of lists however. A Wikipedia list of such medical conditions would require evidence that 'medical conditions named after foods' had been discussed as a group in reliable sources to the extent that it met our notability guidelines. The Wikiversity article cites one such source Food for thought: Palatable eponyms from Pediatrics, [[1]] but I'm not sure that would be sufficient on its own. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Response

Thanks for your response AndyTheGrump. As you highlighted yourself, this discussion is about Wikiversity content. We are debating the inclusion of the article into the Wikiversity Journal of Medicine and not into Wikipedia. Like you, we are not sure why this discussion should be done here because it is not consistent with widely accepted standards for peer-review. You seem to imply that we provide only one source of such lists, which is not true. LK and GM Part (talk) 09:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Articles that can be improved from text in this article

The previous discussions mainly came to the conclusion that making such a list article in Wikipedia wasn't approved. However, I've taken another look at the table, and it does have many referenced examples of symptoms and findings, which can be used to improve several Wikipedia articles. I've listed them below, with preference for those that are supported by secondary sources:

Reference list:

  1. ↑ Enns GM, Packman S (2001). "Diagnosing Inborn Errors of Metabolism in the Newborn: Clinical Features". NeoReviews 2 (8): e183-e191. doi:10.1542/neo.2-8-e183. ISSN 1526-9906. http://www.ohsu.edu/xd/health/services/doernbecher/research-education/education/residency/upload/res_lounge_inborn-errors-of-metabolism-clinical-presentations.pdf. 
  2. ↑ Somerville J, Grech V (2009). "The chest x-ray in congenital heart disease 1. Total anomalous pulmonary venous drainage and coarctation of the aorta". Images Paediatr Cardiol 11 (1): 7-9. ISSN 1729-441X. PMID 22368552. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3232600/?tool=pubmed. 
  3. ↑ Park NH, Park SI, Park CS, Lee EJ, Kim MS, Ryu JA, Bae JM (2007). "Ultrasonographic findings of small bowel intussusception, focusing on differentiation from ileocolic intussusception". Br J Radiol 80 (958): 798–802. doi:10.1259/bjr/61246651. ISSN 0007-1285. PMID 17875595. 
  4. ↑ Ferguson EC, Krishnamurthy R, Oldham SA (2007). "Classic imaging signs of congenital cardiovascular abnormalities". Radiographics 27 (5): 1323-34. doi:10.1148/rg.275065148. ISSN 0271-5333. PMID 17848694. http://radiographics.rsna.org/content/27/5/1323.full. 
  5. ↑ Cole C, Gazewood J (2007). "Diagnosis and treatment of impetigo". Am Fam Physician 75 (6): 859-64. ISSN 0002-838X. PMID 17390597. http://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0315/p859.html. 
  6. ↑ Hillson, S, Grigson, C, Bond, S (1998). "Dental defects of congenital syphilis". Am J Phys Anthropol 107 (1): 25–40. doi:10.1002/(SICI)1096-8644(199809)107:1<25::AID-AJPA3>3.0.CO;2-C. ISSN 00029483. PMID 9740299. 
  7. ↑ Shaoul R, Enav B, Steiner Z, Mogilner J, Jaffe M (2004). "Clinical presentation of pyloric stenosis: the change is in our hands". Isr Med Assoc J 6 (3): 134-7. ISSN 1565-1088. PMID 15055266. http://www.ima.org.il/FilesUpload/IMAJ/0/51/25944.pdf. 
  8. ↑ Toso C, Erne M, Lenzlinger PM, Schmid JF, Büchel H, Melcher G, Morel P (2005). "Intussusception as a cause of bowel obstruction in adults". Swiss Med Wkly 135 (5-6): 87-90. PMID 15729613. http://www.smw.ch/docs/pdf200x/2005/05/smw-10693.pdf. 
  9. ↑ Biyani CS, Cartledge JJ (2006). "Cystinuria—Diagnosis and Management". EAU-EBU Update Series 4 (5): 175–83. doi:10.1016/j.eeus.2006.06.001. ISSN 18712592. http://eu-acme.org/europeanurology/upload_articles/Cystinuria.pdf. 
  10. ↑ Sudharshan S, Ganesh SK, Biswas J (2010). "Current approach in the diagnosis and management of posterior uveitis". Indian J Ophthalmol 58 (1): 29. doi:10.4103/0301-4738.58470. ISSN 0301-4738. PMID 20029144. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841371/. 
  11. ↑ Steichen O, Dautheville S (2009). "Koplik spots in early measles". CMAJ 180 (5): 583. doi:10.1503/cmaj.080724. ISSN 0820-3946. PMID 19255085. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2645467/. 
  12. ↑ Cera, SM (2008). "Intestinal Intussusception". Clin Colon Rectal Surg 21 (2): 106-13. doi:10.1055/s-2008-1075859. ISSN 1531-0043. PMID 20011406. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2780199/. 

Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 19:29, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article is now included in Wikiversity Journal of Medicine, and the mentioned additions listed above are now added to the Wikipedia articles. Mikael Häggström (discuss • contribs) 17:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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