Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Atcovi4

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Atcovi[edit source]

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This is my 4th request for the sysop right, and I believe this will be legitimate, and I hope that this is the last request. It has been quite frustrating to always having to wait for a custodian to undelete pages/block users for me. Instead of having to run to the Wikiversity:Request custodian action all the time for a need, I can simply do it myself with the bit. I'm already experienced with this tool, being a current and active sysop on en.wikibooks and sysop on a few more wikis (kk.wikibooks and kk.wiktionary, etc.). I've been editing Wikiversity since 2011, and I've came to here where I have created many good articles (working on Speak Math Now! and made Geosphere). My interest goes from History to Science and overall, Islam.

I hope that a mentor would be available this time. I don't believe the mentor needs to do a lot honestly, I already know my "sysop roots" and I've been actively using my sysop bit at en.wikibooks. I hope this will be a successful attempt and hopefully my last attempt as well. Thanks.

Questions[edit source]

Here's my concern. This introduction mentions the user (as I/my/myself/me) 15 times. Wikiversity is mentioned only twice. So far, it is clear what the benefits of Custodianship would be to you. What are the benefits to Wikiversity, and what are the risks? -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 15:53, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If an attack happens that is harmful to the project (spam, vandalism, etc.), than I can act upon it, and not only delete the pages/revisions (if necessary), but I can also block the users to prevent more damage. And also, a good tool to cleanup. If I, by accident, delete a page (or someone wants a page again), then I can act to that request instead of waiting a couple hours for a custodian to do what I requested. I went through this feeling when I was planning on undeleting a page (here).
Risks... I don't know honestly. I hope I don't do anything to harm our project, nor do I intend to. ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 19:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The risks generally aren't in the use of the tools. The risks come from user interaction. You have excellent focus on Wikiversity content. I'd like to see a bit more user support. For example, in the past couple of weeks there were multiple Data Networking projects that needed to be moved, and you moved them. But which of those users were also welcomed, and which were informed where the pages had been moved to? -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 22:21, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that the users working on the Data Networking project should've gotten a much more "interactive" type of notification of their page being moved, but I believe what I did was acceptable too. I didn't delete the original page because I feared the authors of that original page would've gotten confused/angry. Instead of deleting the redirect, I left the "Delete Redirect" button blank, with no tick. I definitely took the users/contributors into consideration, but I admit, I could've done a better job.
User welcoming hasn't been so spot-on in my view. I agree, I should've done better. ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 22:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Of the contributions that "may be needed to be a custodian" below followed by "Needs community consensus!", which have you performed on Wikibooks? --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 02:03, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I've hidden revisions: https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Atcovi&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&subtype=revision - I've gotten around to undeleting, but only one of them was an actual page (which I did because me and one of the contributors of the page made an agreement): https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Atcovi&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&subtype=restore - And as for the final one I've did, blocking. Too much to count! https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=&limit=500&type=block&user=Atcovi&page=&tagfilter=&subtype=restore - I may have responded to one or two unblock requests, but none which I can find. So I don't think I should say "I've replied to unblock request" with the absence of the replies. Thanks for the question. ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 12:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with Dave that there needs to be an emphasis on welcoming new contributors. We're not exactly overwhelmed with vandalism around here. Much has changed since I became a custodian many years ago. A great deal of the workload that we performed then is now being handled by global blocks, freeing our time to concentrate on other endeavors. Atcovi, what do you make of these recent edits by Special:Contributions/Sousa_Rosa and if you had tools how would you have handled it? --mikeu talk 01:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Mu301 for your input and question.
Obviously, as anyone can tell, the account, Sousa Rosa, is a new account (created right before going on these "test edits spree") and also had no other edits on any wiki prior to editing here. That being said... I, personally, disagree with the block for vandalism. I believe this was a simple case of a newbie not knowing were his/her edits were appropriate. A simple revert, a welcome, and a warning notifying the user about the sandbox, where test edits are appropriate, would've sufficed. No extra tools would've been necessary to use.
If this method of approach was implemented on "Sharma.pala" here, where the user was adding off-topic content to the Main page's talk page, this would've prevented a class member from participating in his/her project (as you can see in her contributions, all that off-topic editing on the main page was suppose to be placed in her Data Networking class)... reverting the edits, a welcome and a note was enough to redirect her to the correct page where her editing was intended to be.
Hope that answers your question, thanks ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:07, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is pretty much how I would have handled it. There is one additional bit that I noticed after posting my question: [1] shows a global lock but [2] doesn't. The reason given is WP0 abuse. I ended up removing the local block as is now redundant. I wasn't able to find the activity that warranted the global lock, though I didn't bother digging too deep. Thanks for the edits on Sharma.pala - that is very helpful to Wikiversity. --mikeu talk 00:11, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit source]

Perhaps it will be helpful to list the contributions you've made most recently to read what few are needed to be a custodian:

  1. Welcomed at least three new users in November 2016! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 15:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  2. At least three responses to monitoring: Wikiversity:Request custodian action since November 2015! Plus, at least half a dozen alerts to spamming and solicitation! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 16:06, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  3. At least one response to monitoring: Wikiversity:Notices for custodians since May 2015! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 16:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  4. At least seven responses to Colloquium questions and requests since early August 2016! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 16:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Moved at least ten pages since 2 December 2016 and moved at least a page without redirect! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 16:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Moved at least five pages since early October 2016 with delete!
  7. Deleted many pages since early October 2016 for a variety of appropriate reasons! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 17:54, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Monitor Wikiversity:Import and imported content at least 19 times since early January 2016 from sister projects! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 20:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Monitor the AbuseLog Special:AbuseLog and took corrective action at least once in the past year!
  10. Worked with other custodians to effectively support Wikiversity many times, see Special:Log/move! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 21:29, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These contributions may be needed to be a custodian:

  1. Move a page with subpages [none in the past year]! Please advise if done! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 17:07, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Undelete a page [none in the past year]! Needs community consensus!
  3. Merge page histories! Checking on this! Please advise if done!
  4. Hide revisions using Revision deletion [none in the past year]! Needs community consensus! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 17:54, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Create or update an abuse filter! May require mentoring! Please advise if done!
  6. Review one or more Maintenance reports (Special:SpecialPages) and make appropriate corrections. Checking on this! Please advise if done!
  7. Block a user or IP address and monitor Category:Requests for unblock! Needs community consensus! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 21:29, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I'd share another reason why I it would be useful for me to become a custodian: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1009:B160:691A:5033:1B3A:BB0C:5D36 (recent vandalism attack, could've mass deleted and blocked but couldn't) ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 20:45, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just FYI mass deletion is now reserved for bureaucrats. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 01:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh alright thanks. ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 02:03, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Any action going to be taken on this request? -Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 17:04, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Unfortunately, I must oppose this request.

  1. Atcovi is a minor. There have been at least three incidents in the last two years I am aware of that have required both legal and law enforcement engagement due to off-wiki threats made by participants. Atcovi has not been particularly effective in hiding his personally identifiable information. This role is not appropriate for a minor who can be found in real life, and we have a responsibility to protect him from this abuse until he is no longer a minor and can be legally responsible for his actions.
  2. Atcovi is particularly good at defending Wikiversity content. But I am concerned about his empathy and ability to engage with users when he has the power to block. And let's be clear. The only right he doesn't currently have is blocking users. As a teenager, Atcovi sees things very black and white. That's appropriate for his age. We have to live longer to understand the gray areas and be able to recognize both sides of an issue.
  3. Atcovi is by far our most scofflaw user at Wikiversity when it comes to uploaded files. There are currently 16 files missing source or author information. 15 of those files were uploaded by Atcovi. He has been repeatedly notified of the missing information, but simply ignores the requests and the requirements. If he's not willing to meet licensing requirements for content he uploads himself, he's not yet ready to enforce licensing on others.

The third issue is easily addressable if Atcovi is willing to learn about licensing and properly license and attribute the files he uploads. The second issue could ultimately be addressed by careful mentoring over time. The first issue has no immediate resolution. This request needs to be postponed until Atcovi is legally responsible for his actions and legally able to engage authorities when issues present themselves. Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 04:07, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dave Braunschweig: I agree with the points you have made, actually. I thought it was a bit off that this request has been going on for a whole year now. Will take to consideration all these points, especially the missing info point (which I've actually tackled a few of these files).
Question though, postepone or close? Should we leave this request until a time I feel is appropriate that this request can be brought back up? ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:21, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Atcovi: I would close it and start fresh when the time comes. And I am confident the time will come. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 14:12, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Dave and will close this for now. But, please understand that we value your efforts and your continued productive contributions would eventually gain my support in the future. --mikeu talk 00:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Custodians willing to mentor[edit source]

User:Dave Braunschweig, or User:Marshallsumter, are one of you willing to mentor? ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 01:33, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am willing to mentor! As described above Atcovi's use of the tools on Wikibooks and Curator tools here has matured sufficiently to deserve a mentor for Probationary Custodian here. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 02:31, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Marshallsumter, thank you for your willingness to be a mentor, but I'm going to agree with Dave's opposition and postpone this request per his suggestion. Thanks. ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:22, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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