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Resources on Wikiversity must clearly state learning objectives. It is especially problematic when a page title uses a common term like Sciences and contains a confused and rambling jumble of information such as historical facts that are unrelated to the title. There are so many problems with this content that I'm having difficulty deciding even where to begin in describing them. Please define the objectives of this resource and explain how it is within the scope of wv. --mikeu talk 18:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

This lecture offers a collaborative environment for the creation, sharing, and discussion of open educational resources, open research and open academia regarding the sciences. This lecture welcomes learners of all ages. This lecture does not grant any degrees. This lecture strives to be a learning project corresponding to all sciences at accredited educational institutions and any other topics that are of interest to Wikiversity community members. Providing for learning communities to develop, modify and use the materials on Wikiversity, itself constitutes a way in which research included here by the presence of hypotheses could be done as an activity on Wikiversity. This lecture is dynamic and continues to improve. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 00:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I have restored the {{Scope}} template removed by User:Marshallsumter at [1]. Based on Help:Lectures, this is not a lecture. Lectures are subpages of courses. Also, this article appears to be effectively redundant to Wikipedia: Science and Wikipedia: History of science. As such, it is out of scope here. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:14, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

This lecture has been de-wikipedia-ized. This lecture clearly states learning objectives. As an educational lecture it meets Wikiversity guidelines. The sciences are introduced in alphabetical order after a humanities description of the sciences. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:39, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

An appropriate link has been made to this lecture from courses! A subpage link is no longer needed. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:35, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
This is a terrible "lecture". Why is it being hosted here? At the very most, shouldn't it be in an incubator? ජපස (discusscontribs) 03:50, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
How well did you do on the quiz? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:35, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Marshallsumter continues to describe this resource as a lecture. I accept this to be true. The quality of the lecture may be discussed separately, but this is a discussion of scope. Per Help:Lecture, this lecture needs to be a subpage of a separate course. Linking to it from courses does not make it a course, and it isn't a course. Even as a lecture, it remains redundant to Wikipedia: Science and Wikipedia: History of science. As such, it is out of scope here. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:06, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for acknowledging Sciences is a lecture. Per Help:Lecture, "A lecture, unlike an article, is an educational resource which can remain on Wikiversity regardless of its topic." I am working on "A write-up of a lecture may look like an article and is distinguished by its context. Context means: it is linked into a course as a lecture belonging to that course.", which it is. Using Sciences/Courses/Sciences seems awkward. And, it is the keynote lecture which contains links to specific science lectures. I'll take a look at both Wikipedia: Science and Wikipedia: History of science to see what to add to give greater differentiation. Suggestions are welcome! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 17:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
According to What links here, School:Philosophy and Sciences/Courses link here. Also, I mentioned this resource for assessment at the Colloquium in July 2014. Assuming it was looked at by other than me, the concerns mentioned above were not made. To help eliminate possible reader confusion the summaries of sciences have been alphabetized and the history of scientific events is chronological. So can the {{Scope}} template be removed? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 16:58, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
FYI, the initial layout of this lecture followed this sentence from Wikipedia w:Science as guidance: "Contemporary science is typically subdivided into the natural sciences which study the material world, the social sciences which study people and societies, and the formal sciences like mathematics." --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 17:33, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

I'll leave it up to User:Mu301 to respond to the question of scope. But irrespective of scope, the community has already determined at Wikiversity:Requests for Deletion that the content is misplaced. It either needs to be moved to Draft: space as agreed by consensus, or it needs to be moved to a subpage of an appropriate learning project per Help:Lecture. Since the community consensus is to move it to Draft: space, that would be my response unless an appropriate home is found for it soon. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:00, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

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