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Wekk I would be prepared to write something about the history of continental philosphy, from Nietzsche to Badiou.== Updates ==

Suggestions[edit]

Let's face it, nothing like a functioning wikiversity will exist for a long, long time. The whole project was premature. Perhaps however we can offer something to the interested layman. I am thinking we should make a reading list.

I strongly disagree. I believe that the Wikiversity classes might have been premature (but they still might have been an interesting experiment). However, these and other experiments led to a discussion about whether Wikiversity belonged in Wikibooks which, in turn, was quite a put-off for people working here at Wikiversity, I believe. As far as I have seen, these discussions have brought the content of Wikiversity to a stand-still. However, much of the material in wikiversity was within the wikibooks policy (textbooks, notes and reading lists). (Alex beta 18:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC))

Metaphysics, epistemology, the philosophy of science, normative ethics, the philosophy of language, the philosophy of religion and the philosophy of mind are missing. I would suggest that these things are an absolute minimum for this to be taken seriously as an introduction to philosophy.

Moving the Introduction to Philosophy[edit]

Perhaps the Introduction to Philosophy at the top of the School of Philosophy should be moved to the contents list. (Alex beta 15:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC))

Errors (Typos, Factual Mistakes, Etc)[edit]

why is there no spell checker built in editor? Asaashok 18:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussions[edit]

Voting[edit]

I am not sure if this is on topic, but I think it is, as it concerns the future of this department. Please vote yes on the Wikiversity proposal, there's no point doing anything unless it's passed.

I am not sure that I agree, although it is true that I have not contributed (except for minor edits) since I read that the Wikiversity was on Votes for Deletion. It currently seems improbable that we will reach two thirds of the votes by the first of November. If this is the case, and Wikiversity does not get its own Wiki, you might want to consider voting "Keep" on the Votes for deletion/Wikiversity page. (Alex beta 12:13, 21 October 2005 (UTC))

Alex's Awaiting[edit]

I have been awaiting the birth of the school of philosophy in wikiversity for some time. So far, no one has dared to set down a few stepping stones for the rest of us. I suspect that part of the problem is that "What is philosophy?" is itself a philosophical question, and it is perhaps difficult to find the right words to give someone a sense of the kind of investigation we are involved in. (Alex beta 22:05, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC))

Alex's Looking[edit]

I have checked the main pages of a couple of schools and found that the structure of the page is usually a list of courses on offer, some links to books and external resources, and some way to ask for help. In our case, it will be useful to create a list of resources freely available (For example, Kant's Critique of Pure Reason or Wittgenstein's Tractatus are in the public domain and can be found on the internet). I would also suggest the creation of some introductory courses: The History of Ancient Philosophy, Introduction to Philosophical Reasoning, Logic and so on... I would love to start to work on the Logic course if it is possible to coordinate a small group of volunteers in order to save this school from a speedy deletion. Some suggestions on how to organise some way to ask for help would be appreciated. (Is there anyone else out there?) (Alex beta 22:37, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC))

I would start with the Pre-Socratics moving up to Plato then Aristotle. Before Plato, philosophy and science were one and the same, where the basic drive was to understand the natural world and life itself. Thales, was one, Heraclitus another. Heraclitus was the one who observed that "you can never step into the same river twice." Plato (I believe) represented the first systematic or "dialectic" (and he literally used dialogs) approach to reaching a state of truth about something. The field of philosphy today (like many other disciplines) is riven with specialization. There are branches, for example, that deal exclusively with areas of biomedical ethics. The best approach would be an historical one for starters, to lay the foundation. -CL
Thanks for answering. I agree. The history of ancient philosophy is probably a good introduction to philosophy. I will add it to the list of courses and try to write something in the next few days.

I find your comment "philosophy and science were one and the same" very interesting. It is true that there was no clear distinction between the two in Pre-Socratic thought. However, their method of enquiry could hardly be identified with what we consider science nowadays, but their search for the ultimate origin (Arché) of the Cosmos can be considered genuinely philosophical by our standards. (Alex beta 19:32, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC))

Deleting comments on the discussion page[edit]

Is it OK to delete these comments on the discussion page? Some of them are obsolete. Does anyone know the policies in reference to this? (Alex beta 15:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC))

First Year Logic[edit]

Hello. I may be able to help put some kind of first-year logic course together, but I'm not going to do it all myself. --publunch 23:26, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC) i could help

For the spanish-speaking[edit]

Estoy en correspondencia con Gustavo Bueno Sánchez, Coordinador del Proyecto Filosofía en Español (pfe arroba filosofia punto org). Se muestra dispuesto a colaborar con nosotros. Si alguien de aquí quiere coordinarse con ellos, seguro que puede salir algo productivo. -- 4lex 09:44, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Objectivism[edit]

I Noticed that the outline of the philosophy main page is not very organized. I would like to recommend that we reorganize it in several groups. introduction to Philosophy, Schools of philosophy, types of philosophy (Metaphysics, epistemology,ethics,aesthetics,politics,etc.), philosophy through history, and finally the philosophers themselves. Also under the schools of philosophy, I would be willing to create a section entirely devoted to objectivism. I know a great deal about Objectivism and its creator Ayn Rand and would love to teach it. Judging from what I see on the main page, my concern now is where I would put such a thing. Any comments?

School of Philosophy on Wikiversity[edit]

Department of Philosophy I've started a Department of Philosophy on w:Wikiversity. Koavf 17:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Classical Philosophy[edit]

Please make sure that Greek and Latin Philosophy are coordinated with the School of Classics, or at least inform them of the classes so that they can benefit from them, as well. The Jade Knight 02:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

MIT OpenCouseWare 24.00 Problems of Philosophy, Fall 2005[edit]

Well, since things have ostensibly stoped moving forward here. I'm going to start going through MITs OpenCouseWare [24.00 Problems of Philosophy, Fall 2005]. Not to take anything away from this project but I'm not getting anywhere with the sparse framwork that is in place at the moment. Hopefully whilst going through the coursework over there I can contribute something back here. It would be nice to interact with some other people going the same route though. If anyone is interested in working along please throw up a message on my talk page. There's an board that MIT links to for discussions on the projects, but it seems to be dead as well. RichMac 02:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Ayn Rand[edit]

Am I allowed to post here? Sorry, if not.

I suggest you, for credibility's sake, not teach Ayn Rand or list "Philosophy: Who Needs It?" on the reading list. There is a reason she is not taken seriously by most academicians. She was a clever ranter, but a very poor philosopher (or pseudo-philosopher). 68.158.121.123 02:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be great to have a learning project that explores Randian "philosophy"....you could participate and present your negative views. Maybe there could be a more general project that explores differences between the views of academic philosophers and the rest of us. --JWSchmidt 04:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

confused about how the course system works[edit]

Hello everyone i’m very sorry if i’m not suppose to post here i’m not sure where too i'm not very use to wiki editing but I think this is a good place to ask the department a question and I’d love it if I got some responses. i'm confused about how the course system works, there are reading lists, and things like that could you please tell my the curriculum, or what your suppose to do as a student? Really anything that would help me better understand all this. I am very interested in learning I just don't know how or where to start.

Thanks a ton Wikilife, 05:14, 9 March 2008

Hi Wikilife, there is a section called Where to start, which might help. I like especially this comment: "The best place to start is by asking yourself why you came here..." In general it is recommendable to do what you prefer, we are a wiki. So just be bold. A curriculum might be there or not and even if so, it is just a suggestion.
Perhaps it is also so, that people from this school are also in vacation or alike ? You could e.g. find out, if you go to the peoples userpage (see list) and on their user page on the left navigation bar called "toolbox" there is the link to: User contributions - with this you can see when the users last edit was done.
If you have any more questions (and surely there are always), please feel free to ask. ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 09:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks A ton Erkan you have been very helpful Wikilife

a school to work with Philosophy and Nonkilling studies[edit]

I have created an esoteric Pythagorean-Platonic section of this school: Ahimsa Academy. Some of you will like the idea; a few of of you may think it is pointless; a few of you might not like it or (hopefully not) think it should be deleted. It is modelled after the Philosophy school page, because the Academy picture is appropriate, and certainly because I like most of the courses posted here so far. However, we should look at some of the science schools and Wikimedia science project and portal pages for ways to improve the layout and efficiency of the Philosophy schools.--Dchmelik 09:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Indented line Why do the topics of Ahimsa Academy need a new section?(Matousekd 21:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC))

Hey[edit]

I'm new to Wikiversity. How active is the School of Philosophy?

(Matousekd 21:48, 23 October 2010 (UTC))

Hi! I'm pretty new here too. As far as I can tell, a lot of the schools are not very active. But we can help change that. :) So if there's a topic within philosophy that you know a lot about, please help build up the courses! Spock of Vulcan 15:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Course List[edit]

The Department of philosophy's has a short course list. Any suggestions? Matousekd 20:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Ethical theory[edit]

I know a fair bit about ethics, so I should be able to develop some of the ethics courses. :) I'm just learning about the whole structure of this site a bit first. I'm an editor on Wikipedia, but this site is more different than I expected. Hopefully I can get on that soon! I could probably work on applied ethics as well. Spock of Vulcan 16:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Organization[edit]

So, we've got some big organizational issues here. I finally figured out how everything is supposed to be organized, at least. My biggest question is this: What's up with Topic:Philosophy? That means that there is a department of philosophy within the school of philosophy, which isn't in itself a problem if it's where there will be lessons talking about philosophy in general, or something like that. But it isn't even linked to from this page right now, and all the links on it are to Wikipedia pages, not lessons. Also, this school's main page is really confusing. So I'm gonna work on that a bit. If anyone else who works on this school has any issues with stuff I change, or if I step on any toes, please feel free to educate me. :) I'm still pretty new to Wikiversity. Hopefully we can all work together and get this school looking as good as a school of philosophy should. Happy learning! Spock of Vulcan 23:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow[edit]

Just dropping by to say that this is such a cool school. Keep up the good work! Heartwarming (discusscontribs) 02:49, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

But, what is philosophy in the end? What we dope out when we are bored?[edit]

Please see the theme. (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aksass·Pendragon (talkcontribs) )

@Aksass·Pendragon: That's part of it, sure. It's also a love of wisdom. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:31, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Or, something to think about after a good meal and a pint of dark ale! The kind you can't see through! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 00:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)