Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/October 2009

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Volunteers still needed!

Hi all,
Although we soon will remove the centralnotice that is up, the Wikimedia Foundation is still looking for volunteers to serve as subject area experts or to sit on task forces that will study particular areas and make recommendations to the Foundation about its strategic plan. You may apply to serve on a task force or register your name as an expert in a specific area at http://volunteer.wikimedia.org.

The Foundation's strategy project is a year-long collaborative process which is hosted on the strategy wiki, at http://strategy.wikimedia.org. Your input is welcome (and greatly desired) there. When the task forces begin to meet, they will do their work transparently and on that wiki, and any member of the community may join fully in their work. This process is specifically designed to involve as many community members as possible.

Any questions can be addressed to me either on my talk page here or on the strategy wiki or by email to philippe at wikimedia.org.

I hope you'll consider joining us!

Philippe 02:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

reCAPTCHA

Greetings! Just a short link about the interesting approach of some people to digitize pre-computer age books at: recaptcha.net (w:reCAPTCHA) --Gbaor 12:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Purge link in a template

How could I add a "purge" link in a template such that it works once transcluded/substituted. e.g., on this template {{Coin toss}} - refresh works in the template, but not at User:Jtneill/Random. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 06:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that issue was solved for tabbed portal... I am familiar with the template, so I will look it up and get back to you--Graeme E. Smith 16:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Try {{purgepage}} --Graeme E. Smith 16:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
You can also use something like [1]. --mikeu talk 14:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Thankyou Graeme and Mike, that's great. I used the syntax from {{purgepage}} and it works nicely Smiley.svg -- Jtneill - Talk - c 10:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Requesting rename of "Hungarian Notation"

As is already mentioned on the corresponding Talk page, Hungarian Notation actually refers to the practice of writing CamelCase (see the Wikipedia articles [[2]] vs. [[3]] on these topics). It would be nice if someone with appropriate rights could rename this page.

I agree, the content is about CamelCase and have renamed the page. BTW, renaming a page is something that anyone can do. --mikeu talk 12:55, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Rollback

As has recently been discussed, we have a large number of policies sat at the proposed stage. I would therefore invite any comments regarding Wikiversity:Rollback so that we can consider making it an official policy. I understand it was previously tagged as an official policy but no community discussion took place prior to that and so the status of the policy needs clarifying. Adambro 14:14, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

In order to keep the discussion about this proposed policy in one place, I have moved the recent comments to the talk page. I think this makes more sense than leaving them here because it makes it much easier for someone to understand how a policy progressed. It would be harder for someone to find relevant discussions if they are carried out elsewhere. I should have made it clear in my earlier comments that they were intended to direct interested users to the rollback talk page to discuss that policy, rather than to discuss it here. Adambro 16:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Comparison_of_wiki_farms

This page caused a problem at Wikipedia because a lot of it wasn't really notable, but it's a valuable educational resource. Is it ok to host it here? Hipocrite 17:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why not... --SB_Johnny talk 22:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be some exciting stuff happening here nowadays concerning web design, web 2.0, etc.. Many articles.
There is some interesting educational stuff happening at various wiki farms. Wiki farms are participatory by definition and are shared learning experiences. There is some collaboration also with school teachers. So there is both formal and informal education going on.
Would there be any problems with keeping the longer version of Comparison of wiki farms here? That is the version that was copied to here. Please see also:
Talk:Comparison of wiki farms --Timeshifter 01:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Usergroups

I think we could give ourselves a boost by creating usergroups that can help people network and find collaborators. A namespace dedicated to this would probably be helpful, but regardless it would rely on categories and DPL.

I just created Usergroup:Temple University, Usergroup:Parents, and Usergroup:Wikipedia Review as examples pertaining to me, but this could include nearly anything.

Somewhat inspired by the "Networks" on Facebook. --SB_Johnny talk 18:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

  • just a usergroup for University associates in general? --Gbaor 09:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Any physicists, specializing in QM out here? I need your input.

Not sure if this is a right place to put a peer review request. An article needs peer review by some physicist specializing in the quantum mechanics. Can someone give us some input, please?

See: User:Dc987#Reasonable_Deviations_Thought_Experiment. Can somebody point out the fallacy of this thought experiment? --Dc987 08:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Policy discussion at en.wikipedia

Hey guys, a reference to Wikiversity was inserted in an en.wikipedia policy page last month at Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. It didn't get support on the talk page and I just removed it, but maybe this is something you guys want, I'm here to ask. When pages are deleted or material is removed from Wikipedia, sometimes the explanation given is that it doesn't comply with this policy because it appears to be "Primary (original) research such as proposing theories and solutions, original ideas, defining terms, coining new words, et cetera." The new text recommended: "For a wiki that is a repository of original research, visit our sister project Wikiversity. Original research should be transwikied there." I've deleted a lot of material as OR, and I've never seen any that I think Wikiversity would want, but I suppose it's possible. Is this something you want us to start recommending? It would present some difficulties, but I'm open to the idea if you want to pursue it. Dank55 14:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

One of the reasons that Wikiversity split from Wikibooks, was the need for a place for original research. As an Original Researcher, I have been pleasantly surprised by the support I have received here. Judging the Quality of OR in its early stages is difficult, and often seminal work looks like the researcher is crazy or kidding, just because it IS original. I wouldn't judge the quality of an OR posting until the research begins to mature. As a result, I suggest that it might be nice to have a transfer policy between the other projects that dislike OR, and Wikiversity, but from personal experience, Transwiki, might not be the way to go, since it involves sysop agreeement, and can be quite complex to arrange when sysops are busy. --Graeme E. Smith 15:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, the two categories that are most likely to contain the pages we're talking about here are new promotional pages for speedy deletion and New non-notable pages for speedy deletion. We delete a lot of those every day. Original research sometimes shows up on established pages, but it's not as much and harder to find. Please let us know at Wikipedia:Wikipedia_talk:What Wikipedia is not if you see pages that you like. If you can give us a clear enough idea what it is we should be looking for, then we can take the conversation further. Dank55 15:53, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I left a message there. AFAIK there's no reason we can't just give the admins who watch CSD the custodian tools here as well so that they can import the material. If any of them take up the offer, let's do some community mentoring. --SB_Johnny talk 16:00, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I put a link to Wikiversity:What shall we do with Wikipedia? page there. We will see what happens. --Gbaor 14:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Authoring groups


--122.167.84.174 02:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Hi iam chandrasekhar,new to this wikiversity i was aware of wikipedia plz tell me how i can use this in good manner

Hi cnadrasekhar, it would be a lot easier to respond to you, if you opened yourself an account, as that would automatically give you your own User area that you can experiment in, without damaging others work, and it comes complete with a talk page where you can be privately coached on how to use the system. Once you have been active for a while, one of the custodians will send you a message on that talk page that includes some beginning advice. As well you might want to take a course on the Wiki Language so as to become fluent in it. There is another wiki that offers seminars on wiki language called Wikieducator. It is not a hard language to learn, but some aspects of it are tricky. There are a couple of policies that you should know such as "Assume Good Faith" and "Edit Boldly" but these are not a license to damage others work, and there is a very active group of editors, that are working hard to improve the quality of the works here, so vandalism and other forms of self-expression at the cost of the institute will be very quickly detected and dealt with. Essentially Wikiversity is a learning resource base, for teaching from a young age up. We encourage all ages to get involved, so you are very welcome. --Graeme E. Smith 14:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


--Snoozebob 18:45, 3 November 2009 (UTC)my key board does not have that symbol

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