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Hi all, here an update regarding the Dutch wikiversity. As you may or may not know, this year all 5000 pages on the Dutch wikiversity were removed. The people who removed the pages had another vision on what a wikiversity should be. After the removal it became quit again, no content creation. This month Wikimedia Nederland asked me to write about the Dutch wikiversity in there newsletter. What should I write about? My plan for 2015 is to find more people who want to join me in starting the Dutch wikiversity 2.0. How can I set up some guidelines to prevent a mass deletion again? I think I should find other people besides the Wikipedians who deleted the content, but unfortunately they are the only ones who are active? Can somebody help me? Give me some tips in how to establish a new community? Regards, Tim, Timboliu (discusscontribs) 11:06, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Start with a mission and vision. But also recognize that you, by yourself, can't establish anything. It needs to be a community, and the community has to support the vision. Think about what works here on en.wikiversity. How do we avoid mass deletions of questionable content? Two approaches that help are to organize content by learning project rather than individual page, and to focus on the learning rather than the content. Ask those who are interested in Dutch Wikiversity for their ideas. Are they willing to focus on learning, or are they only concerned with content? You might find that the issue isn't the content itself, but the format that is troublesome. You may need to get everyone to agree on a design template for what a course, lesson, and activity look like and go from there. That would be highly proscriptive and somewhat restrictive, but it might get agreement from those who couldn't support the previous work. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:20, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Dave Braunschweig. The key strategy is to allow students to write. They are the future writers of Wikipedia (and everything else that will be written). Don't worry about quality control, just let them write. Then, if a page is neither visited nor edited for a sufficiently long period of time, remove it from namespace so that others will have good names for their projects. Don't worry about Wikiversity being cluttered with bad material. The good stuff will eventually be found by Google or through interwiki links. Teachers who find useful resources on Wikiversity can make permalinks so that they need not worry about misguided edits made in the future. Wikiversity, Wikibooks and Wiktionary will all grow. It just takes time.--guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 18:11, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm amazed that someone would bother to remove so much material and then not put something new in its place! But I can quite understand it. There is such a feeling, with Wikiversity, to get some structure in place before adding one's own material (at least, this has been my feeling from time to time with the English Wikiversity) that it's easy to never get to the real work. I rather suspect there's some parallel with traditional university procrastination here!

What was the quality of the deleted pages like? I assume mostly it was not very good?

But yes, those above have it right: the way forward surely is to succinctly define what Wikiversity actually is and then encourage people to write about whatever they're interested in! :-)

Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 00:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I just noticed that is not a wiki. Has it been closed completely? — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 06:20, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
The Dutch Wikiversity is at -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:34, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. Cheers, Tim, (discuss) 21:38, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see. :) Cool. I'll have a read of what's going on over there. I've never really noticed Beta Wikiversity much. :) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 05:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

New request for custodianship[edit]

Just like to inform you. --Goldenburg111 16:37, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't this page violate our Wikiversity:Privacy policy?[edit]

The <hidden> userpage shows:

1. Her full name 2. Her birthdate 3. Ancestry 4. Religion 5. Father, date of birth and place of birth. 6. Mother, date of birth and place of birth. 7. Residence.

I say this violates the privacy policy, as I said, she revealed her full name, her birthdate, ancestry, father (date of birth and place of birth), mother (date of birth and place of birth), and residence. --Goldenburg111 14:55, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the page you noted appears to be a violation of Wikiversity:Privacy policy. But be careful, as drawing attention to it is more likely to cause a violation of that person's privacy than the page itself does. I have hidden the page link here, and will hide your revision to protect the privacy of this minor user. If you find more privacy violations like this, it would be better to use the Email this user feature to contact a custodian for review. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:06, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Alright, thank you. --Goldenburg111 15:57, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Global AbuseFilter[edit]


AbuseFilter is a MediaWiki extension used to detect likely abusive behavior patterns, like pattern vandalism and spam. In 2013, Global AbuseFilters were enabled on a limited set of wikis including Meta-Wiki,, Wikispecies and (in early 2014) all the "small wikis". Recently, global abuse filters were enabled on "medium sized wikis" as well. These filters are currently managed by stewards on Meta-Wiki and have shown to be very effective in preventing mass spam attacks across Wikimedia projects. However, there is currently no policy on how the global AbuseFilters will be managed although there are proposals. There is an ongoing request for comment on policy governing the use of the global AbuseFilters. In the meantime, specific wikis can opt out of using the global AbuseFilter. These wikis can simply add a request to this list on Meta-Wiki. More details can be found on this page at Meta-Wiki. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on m:Talk:Global AbuseFilter.


PiRSquared17, Glaisher

— 17:34, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Top 1000 Requests By Month[edit]

I automated a process to download page request statistics from I've posted monthly totals for the top 1000 articles from the last three months at:

Those looking for a place to help and wondering where their efforts would have the greatest impact should focus on the projects and pages in highest demand.

Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I am puzzled that Torque_and_angular_acceleration got so many hits. We almost deleted that article about a month ago. See the discussion at Wikiversity:Colloquium#Wikipedia_copies --guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 23:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
It is possible for a single individual to mess with page counts. Just hitting purge on a page forces it to refresh. There are also some pages on the list that are clearly influenced by a bot driving up the counts. But overall, it makes more sense to focus on pages on the list before working on some random project that may never be viewed. I did notice that there are a number of mechanics / physics pages that might go together well as a learning project. It's out of my area of expertise, but something to consider. I'm also working on a list of the top 100 learning projects (adding up subpage counts to get a total per project). I'll post when I have something useful to share. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 23:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
It was fascinating to see how much is being done in fields closely related to mine. I was planning to strengthen the electronics sections of Physics equations, but now realize that I should instead let others do the work for me.--guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 00:18, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Keep in mind that this shows page hits or views, not edits. I have several projects on the list that never see an edit from anyone else. They're popular, but they don't draw updates. I keep telling myself it's because the quality is so good that they don't need updates.  :-) I'm not entirely sure I believe that, but it sounds good. If you have something high on the list, you should work on it anyway, or make it very clear to visitors that they can update and improve. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:46, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello forum members[edit]

I'm new to greet you need in August. Sorry for my english

Welcome! --Goldenburg111 01:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor coming to this wiki as a Beta Feature[edit]

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Hello. Please excuse the English. I would be grateful if you translated this message!

VisualEditor, a rich-text editor for MediaWiki, will soon be available on this wiki as a Beta Feature. The estimated date of activation is Wednesday, 26 November.

To access it, you will need to visit the Beta features page after the deployment and tick the box next to "VisualEditor". (If you have enabled the "Automatically enable all new beta features" option, VisualEditor will be automatically available for you.) There will also be a "VisualEditor language tool" that you can enable if you need it.

Then, you just have to click on "Edit" to start VisualEditor, or on "Edit source" to edit using wikitext markup. You can even begin to edit pages with VisualEditor and then switch to the wikitext editor simply by clicking on its tab at any point, and you can keep your changes when doing so.

A guide was just published at so that you can learn how to support your community with this transition: please read and translate it if you can! You will find all the information about the next steps there. Please report any suggestions or issues at the main feedback page. You will also receive the next issues of the multilingual monthly newsletter here on this page: if you want it delivered elsewhere, for example at your personal talk page, please add the relevant page here.

Thanks for your attention and happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 18:12, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor coming to this wiki as a Beta Feature (errata)[edit]

Colloquium image[edit]

A while back we were considering replacing the colloquium image with something a bit more universal and perhaps appropriate. May I suggest the following image, which may need some cropping of the ceiling:

This may be an open conference on a colloquium subject. Credit: Leighblackall.
Where are the kids in the pic? or <SOME COLOR>-colored people? (not that the current one has it either ;-)) ----Erkan Yilmaz 09:55, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Two good points! At least it has men and women, improvement number one. There is an Asian Indian or Pakistani center back I believe, and an oriental on the right. I'll keep looking. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 16:19, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

About opening visual editor for IP access[edit]

Hello every body,

I'm a Belgian contributor in French Wikiversity and I just come here to ask if this Wikiversity community can agree to the idea of opening the use of the visual editor for IP contributor which is concretely a simple switch on the php code but which need a consensus from the community before leave a request on bugzilla.

Access to the visual editor by IP address is some thing vital for me who a not English native speaker. By the way, I can ask to my English friends who are not registered and who don't wan to be, to go to my research pages for correcting English for of the contain.

Thanks a lot for your attention. I will waiting reaction community to know how to star the consensus process.

A nice day for every one.

--Lionel Scheepmans () , le 04:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I would encourage everyone to try the VisualEditor, and also see Wikipedia: Wikipedia:VisualEditor and Wikipedia: Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback regarding issues and concerns. I noticed that Wikipedia tried having this feature available to all users by default last summer, and then turned it off after six weeks. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

What are we suppose to do with accounts with the name "bot" when they aren't even a bot?[edit]

I found one: - in the recent changes pretending to be a bot. Aren't we suppose to block accounts that have the name "bot" in it when it isn't even a bot? --Goldenburg111 14:46, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

How do you know it isn't a bot? Or is it just that the edits weren't correctly tagged as bot? But besides that, there was a long debate here several months ago regarding the blocking of bots. It was the community's consensus that we only block bots operating at faster than sixty seconds per edit without prior approval. In other words, we only block bots based on their activity, the same way we only block users based on their activity. So far, Csdc-bot appears to be an opportunity for education rather than a need to block. Would you like to leave this user/bot a message explaining your concerns? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


The resource TAO, or Third Age Online, has its own category, Category:TAO, and about a hundred resources at Wikiversity. That's the good news! The not-so-good news is that the project was concluded in December 2013, the website is a deadlink, and its category has no category. I was thinking about putting them all up for deletion as they are abandoned for over a year, with the only recent additions coming from bots. What would the community like to do with these?

The easy solution is to put their category into a higher category associated with the internet and leave them as they are. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Since there are no other comments, I'd recommend adding a category and preserving the content. I have many pages myself that haven't had updates for more than a year. I keep thinking it's because the quality is already there. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:40, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Compare law and administration in different jurisdictions?[edit]

What tools might exist to facilitate the comparison of law and administration in different jurisdictions?

I'd like to find a home and a structure to facilitate crowdsourcing research to compare current law and practices in issues related to the w:American Anti-Corruption Act (AACA). Wikiversity seemed to me like a reasonable home, because it supports research forbidden on Wikiversity, while sharing the Wikimedia policies of writing from a neutral point of view and citing credible sources.

However, I'd also like the capability to flag material with different subject matter, e.g., the eleven "provisions" of the AACA. I'd like to allow a volunteer to write a summary of the law and administration in a particular jurisdiction (e.g., California or San Jose, CA) with some kind of markup language to identify the which subject, e.g., conflicts of interest, to which a section, sentence or paragraph belongs, and eventually perhaps a score on some scale like the Freedom Scores assigned by Freedom House. This would be combined with some ability for a user to compare the material entered on a given subject for different jurisdictions -- either text or scores.

Suggestions? Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 11:29, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest! The School:Law has a series of resources listed under "Law by Jurisdiction" that may be of help. I tried looking up the AACA under both "American Anti-Corruption Act" and AACA on Wikisource and Wikiquote, nada. Wikipedia does have an entry at AACA. The summary you propose is likely to be welcomed by our law department. I hope this helps. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Depending on the complexity of your structure, you might experiment with categories and subcategories. For example the category Category:Physics_equations has several subcategories, including Category:Physics equations/Quizzes. I am not sure how many categories you need. If the categories are subcategories of a page I don't think there is a problem with polluting category namespace, but that needs to be looked into.
I even have the template category Category:Template:Physeq, which I developed when I discovered myself writing the same equation in various places (and having to make multiple changes when I changed something). But note: I think I violated Wikiversity policy when I put the template Template:Physeq1 into mainspace. Either nobody noticed, or they didn't care, or it's OK to do that. In fact, I need a second edit of all my equation templates, and I will now post an inquiry about that right now. --guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 23:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Technically, anything starting with Template: is in Template space rather than main space. The colon designates namespace, which is why colons should be avoided in mainspace titles. We don't have any stated guidelines on template placement, but what I go by when creating or moving content is templates that are only used in a single project are better as subpages of that project, and templates used by multiple projects are best in the Template: namespace. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:47, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you all very much. I've looked some in School:Law including "Law by Jurisdiction", as suggested by User:Marshallsumter. I may also experiment with categories, as suggested by User:Guy vandegrift. First, however, I think I'll study School:Law a bit more. Thanks again. DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 07:11, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't fully understand it, but w:Wikipedia:Categorization#Category_tree_organization looks useful. There seems to be two entirely different meanings of the word "subcategory". Wikipedia defines it as placing a child category into a parent category by inserting [[Category:parentname]], usually at the bottom of the child. But you can also define a subcategory a la Wikiversity's subpage system by creating the page in namespace Category:parent/child. Then when you look at the child category a link to the parent appears at the top in the usual way. --guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 13:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

The process of converting classic talk pages to Flow[edit]

(BG: Flow). There are various ways to convert talk pages to Flow. Discussed at this page. I would like to know what we would like to have. Please join the discussion and spread it to other language village pumps. Gryllida 23:59, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

A less cluttered way to include multiple sister links.[edit]

Wikipedia-logo.png Search for Wikipedia on Wikipedia.
Wikipedia-logo.png Search for Wikiversity on Wikipedia.
Wikipedia-logo.png Search for Wikibooks on Wikipedia.
Wikibooks-logo.svg Wikibooks has a book on the topic of wikibooks .

I spent the morning knocking myself out trying to create a better template for multiple wikilinks. With more than 4 or 5 links, the boxes on the right look tacky. Finally it dawned on me that using a template to do the job is like cracking a peanut with a sledgehammer. The links to left are just captions to a figure.

If anybody wants to me add another sister, I can easily modigy this image on commons.

--guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 20:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Fwiw, here's an example of our current layout for sister links on categories at en.wn (via our template {{topic cat}}: example. --Pi zero (discusscontribs) 13:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)



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