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[edit] Decision process

Please put "keep", "delete", or "neutral" at the beginning of your response. Give a reason. Try to keep your reasons brief, 1 sentence is usually enough. Keep your reasons close to the facts of the case rather than stating a political position. Don't forget to tag the actual page with {{dr}}. To prevent shorter responses from getting lost and to keep this page sufficiently organized, consider using a subpage of Request for Deletion for overly long responses, and linking to it with a short response here. If you have strong opinions or you are not prepared to change your position in the light of consensus, please do not edit on this page at all. Remember that consensus is not majority rule and certainly not rule-by-the-loudest-and-most-uncivil. The idea of consensus is to kindly and gently bring everyone on board (and not necessarily onto your "own" board). Pages are listed here for a period of at least five days, but often are kept much longer. It is good to wait for clear consensus to emerge.

[edit] Useful resources

Deletion Log Request for deletion archives Proposed deletion policy - proposed, so not binding. Template:Deletion request - this is the template used on pages listed here

[edit] How to list a page here

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Contents 1 Decision process 2 Useful resources 3 How to list a page here 4 Undeletion requests 5 Deletion requests 5.1 Networking concepts 5.2 New club of paris 5.3 TCP/IP Protocol Architecture 5.4 Category:Denied requests for unblock

[edit] Undeletion requests

If an article has been deleted, and you think it shouldn't have been, please list it here. Please try to give as close to the title as possible, and list your reasons for why it should be restored.

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[edit] Deletion requests

[edit] Networking concepts

I am restructuring the networking section of the computing portal and believe this page is redundant, as other pages will be teaching the subject matter of this page. Lysander89 07:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New club of paris

This appears to be promotional material. It may or may not be allowed under wikiversity's policy. Please consider for removal. Lysander89 07:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] TCP/IP Protocol Architecture

I find this page to be redundant, it is mostly empty and much of its intended content exists in pages I have patched together. Lysander89 10:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Denied requests for unblock

In my opinion this category should be deleted because it conflicts with Natural justice. Blocked users are inhibited over complaining about a block or explaining why they think a block was unfair if they risk being put into this category. Several of the users in this category are clear vandals who were making frivolous complaints about clearly reasonable blocks but at least one is a valuable contributor.

Each party to a proceeding is entitled to ask questions and contradict the evidence of the opposing party. [1]

Theoretically users can complain, ask questions and contradict the opposing parties but in practise there are lasting penalties. This category is linked to users' talk pages so the fact that they have been blocked and denied unblocking becomes public. Many users probably prefer to endure a block they consider unfair rather than risk perpetual public criticism in this way. Justice is not seen to be done and users may lose confidence in the system.

As of 23 rd October 2009 when I am writing this my blocklog is clear, I’m concerned about what looks like injustice in general. Proxima Centauri 18:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

• Support deletion but not for the reasons given by Proxima Centauri. I don't really see how use of this category could discourage someone from requesting that their account is unblocked. However, I also don't see how this category is particularly useful. It isn't difficult to find where unblock requests have been declined using this if someone really wants to. Delete, and remove from {{Unblock denied}}. Adambro 18:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
• Support For the reasons given by Adambro. Trinity507 04:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm in favor of total transparency in the blocking and unblocking process, and believe that this category may help make any patterns in who is denied an unblock more apparent, and thus point out any problems in the process, which will hopefully then be corrected. StuRat 20:00, 13 November 2009 (UTC)