Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/May 2018

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Is soliciting donations in linked pages allowed?[edit]

Once I linked from a Wikiversity page to my project page which contained among other a link to page accepting PayPal.

I was required by somebody to make the PayPal donations page not (indirectly) linked from Wikiversity saying something about "no soliciting".

Today I searching Wikiversity for "no soliciting" and found no such rule.

So, can a Wikiversity page link to a page with "Donate" link?

--VictorPorton (discusscontribs) 11:09, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@VictorPorton: No, a Wikiversity page cannot link to a "Donate" link. See Wikiversity:External links. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: I am not going to put a "donate" link on a Wikiversity page. I want to link to a project page which in turn links to a donate page. Wikiversity:External links seems to say nothing about this issue. --VictorPorton (discusscontribs) 18:53, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
@VictorPorton: External links does address this. It describes the type of content and the value that content must provide in order to be linked. An exception would be if the recipient of the Donate link on that page is you. In that case, it is a conflict of interest and not appropriate. As an alternative, if you own the content, you can post it here and eliminate the need for linking. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:37, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Dave on this. There are plenty of places where Dontate Links are allowed. Let's not let Wikiversity be one of those. If the policy on this is not clear, then we need to make it clear.Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 21:46, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I disagree with Guy and Dave. Traditional universities offer a path for people to increase the comforts in their life. This wiki should be no different. Spam and promotion to the detriment of others should rightly be not allowed. Self promotion which is mutually beneficial to both teachers and learners (and researchers and learners) should be allowed. Of course, policies and guidelines on this wiki should be respected. That does not mean that they should not be changed through a new consensus that could motivate real exponential growth in the amount of useful/educational content on this wiki. Michael Ten (discusscontribs) 23:26, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
@Michael Ten: This isn't just Wikiversity policy, it's Wikimedia policy. See wmf:Terms of Use. Users may not solicit for any promotional or commercial purpose not explicitly approved by the Wikimedia Foundation. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:05, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


Birgit Müller (WMDE) 14:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Bot moved lots of content pages to draft namespace? OK? Good? Not helpful?[edit]

The Draft namespace had a lot of pages from the main namespace moved to it by MaintenanceBot. Was this intentional? It seems a lot of the pages that were in the main namespace seemed just fine in the main namespace. Is it the consensus that these are better moved to draft namespace? Should most or all of them be bulk moved back into the main namespace? What do you think?

"(MaintenanceBot moved page Art to Draft:Art without leaving a redirect: Per Wikiversity:Requests for Deletion#Main Page "Lectures")"

Cheers and have a great weekend! Michael Ten (discusscontribs) 23:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

See Wikiversity:Requests for Deletion#Main Page "Lectures". The pages were not fine as main space pages. Their presence and approach prevented participation rather than encouraging it. The pages could be cleaned up and used as subpages of appropriate learning projects, but so far no one has been interested in doing that cleanup work. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
FYI: see Wikiversity talk:Requests for Deletion#Draft ns discussion. These moves were not voluntary and do not have consensus. Feel free to add your opinion! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 17:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Marshallsumter You called everyone possible to the discussion a month ago. It's closed, over, done. It's time to accept that the community has agreed that the pages were not suitable as main page landing pages. Rather than continuing to tilt at this windmill, I would encourage you to step back and consider why there was consensus to move these pages, and how future editing efforts might be improved to avoid similar discussions and outcomes in the future. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:43, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Just FYI: On 3 January 2018 the site notice stated: "Discuss and vote on Main Page "Lectures" request." On 4-13 January 2018, the site notice stated: "Discuss and vote on Main Page "Lectures"." On 13-15 January 2018, the site notice stated: "Discuss and vote on Draft Namespace." --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 14:54, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler[edit]

I want to start a page on him if possible. thanks. -- (discuss) 17:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Subpages for Template namespace[edit]

It seems common sense that the Template namespace should have subpages enabled, so that documentation subpages are not counted as templates. If no one opposes, I'll request the change in Phabricator, cheers! --Felipe (discusscontribs) 12:51, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sophivorus: Can you give an example of where this count is noted and what the impact is? Yes, it would be common sense not to count /doc pages as templates, but there are also many templates that have template subpages. Template:Subpages is one example. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:58, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

MathML rendering not working on some pages[edit]

Duplicate record detection, for instance, is showing UNIQ tokens instead of the rendered data they refer to. e.g. "UNIQ--postMath-00000014-QINU". Is this a known issue? It seems possibly related to T127738. -- Sehrgut (discusscontribs) 16:19, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sehrgut: I corrected Duplicate record detection. It's an error related to Lua processing of citations. See User:Dave Braunschweig/sandbox for a reproducible example. Feel free to create a Phabricator request based on the example. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:37, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Boubaker Polynomials/Wikipedia/SPI[edit]

My homewiki is the English Wikipedia, so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but Boubaker Polynomials/Wikipedia/SPI seems to misplaced in mainspace. Is someone able to relocate it as appropriate? TheDragonFire (discusscontribs) 15:42, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Done (on May 30). -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Importing Template:efn from Wikipedia[edit]

I'm attempting to import the template {{efn}} from Wikipedia, but I'm getting the error:

Import failed: A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading? Query: INSERT IGNORE INTO `page` (page_namespace,page_title,page_restrictions,page_is_redirect,page_is_new,page_random,page_touched,page_latest,page_len) VALUES ('10','Efn-lr','','0','1','0.873740892682','20180527065343','0','0') Function: WikiPage::insertOn Error: 1205 Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (

The inline link displays the text "lower-alpha 1" in stead of the letter "a". Any ideas how to copy over the missing database? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 07:12, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Importing pages...
Page "MediaWiki:Cite link label group-lower-alpha" was not imported because you are not allowed to edit it.
Import failed: No pages to import.
part of the issue may be that I don't have the authority to import w:MediaWiki:Cite link label group-lower-alpha and w:MediaWiki:Cite link label group-lower-greek? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 08:18, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

@Evolution and evolvability: The lock wait timeout sometimes comes up when you import all revisions. When that happens, try importing just the most recent revision. I've imported the two MediaWiki pages. Note that custodians can import these pages. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge... -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:00, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Heh, I'll look into custodianship (though I want to have a few more months of error-free contributing before I gain more power to break things accidentally)! I'll have another go at importing the templates. You can see whether it's working at this page. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 23:03, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Closer! The only remaining error is that the {{efn-lr}} still inserts the inline ref "[lower-roman 1]" in stead of "[i]". T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 06:01, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
You need to make sure that all of the following six pages exist:
At the moment, only two of them are present. --Redrose64 (discusscontribs) 14:20, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
YesY Done -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:44, 29 May 2018 (UTC)