Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/S Larctia

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SB Johnny recently suggested that I should become a custodian, and offered to mentor me. I therefore am submitting a request for temporary custodianship. I agree to the standard stop agreement. --S Larctia 17:56, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Questions[edit source]

  • S Larctia, can you point to evidence of your prior wiki experience, so that we might understand how you might be a benefit to Wikiversity as a custodian? --Abd 18:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
    • I believe my proficiency with wiki-markup, my recent uploads at Commons and my involvement in Wikipedia testify adequately to my technical ability. --S Larctia 20:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
  • You have very few contributions to Wikiversity. Can you assure us that you understand and will follow community consensus regarding our inclusion and user policies (formal or defacto)? --Abd 18:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
    • I have made few contributions to Wikiversity, but I intend to be active mainly on an administrative basis, dealing with request for deletion and vandalism, and assisting new users. I will follow community consensus, and I will not perform any action which is potentially controversial. --S Larctia 20:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Are you willing to agree to a Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Standard stop agreement that would allow any custodian to regulate your custodial behavior without prior discussion process? --Abd 18:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
    • I will. I do not intend to make any edits which might be considered controversial, and I trust that other custodians will correct me when I err. --S Larctia 20:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Wow! Cool. Please place this wikitext in your candidacy statement:
I agree to the [http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Candidates_for_Custodianship/Standard_stop_agreement&oldid=751460 (permanent link to effective version)].
  • It should be there so that this is crystal clear to a steward, should that be necessary. You could change the agreement and agree to something different, but I recommend keeping it simple. That's what I agreed to, myself. --Abd 22:57, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Why are you interested in Wikiversity? --Abd 18:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
    • I am interested in Wikiversity because I am attracted by the idea of a completely open research community. I am impressed by the quality of contributions by several leading research institutions (see User:Egm6321.f11/Lecture plan for an example). --S Larctia 20:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
  • What is the purpose of A_comparison_of_the_responses_of_the_Wikiversity_and_Wikipedia_communities_to_copyright_violations_and_other_disruptive_editing Do you think this long name is an appropriate name for a Wikiversity mainspace (top level) educational resource? --Abd 18:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
    • I was initially frustrated by the Wikiversity community's "failure" to block marshallsumter for his copyright-unfriendly edits here. However, I have seen that the more diplomatic approach here has succeeded in preventing his more disruptive edits, and may well lead him to be a long-term productive contributor. I am now rather irritated that Wikipedia took such a unilaterally negative approach to his editing and made no effort to discuss the issues with him. I was also interested in the fact that many of the editors who form the backbone of the community here have had previous disagreements with the Wikipedia community. With this in mind, I intend to write a research project here on the advantages and disadvantages of both communities' responses to this sort of incident, and eventually judge the long-term impact on the community. I think that this may lead to a less block-happy approach across Wikimedia projects. It's remarkable how your simple comments to Marshallsumter have reduced the problems associated with his editing, although I am afraid that I am still doubtful as to the value of his research. As for the long name, I can't think of anything shorter to call it. Could you help out ? --S Larctia 20:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Wow again! With the Standard stop agreement, I can't see how this could be a problem. If you can find a mentor and 'crat to act, Good luck! I'm practically speechless, congratulations. As to the name, it's much better, and ultimately I'd see a page like this as a subpage under more general higher level resource. But we can work all that out later. I think you are getting that Wikiversity is not an encyclopedia! Where the name would be Very Important. And we could revert war until the cows come home. Here, we just don't care that much, we'll take a stand for what we think best, but, then, well, cooperation gets far more done than fighting. Marshallsumter's research is important to him, and he is, with the rest of us, a "learner." We will do what is needed to prevent possible harm, with any project, and I'll be happy to help with yours. --Abd 22:57, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Comments[edit source]

  • Just a suggestion - instead of doing the mentorship, how about give S Larctia rollback rights for, say, a week, and then go for a mentorship after? Ottava Rima (talk) 21:13, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Policy requires a mentor and 'crat action. It's true that a decision could be made to restrict rights, informally, but enforceably -- see the Standard Stop Agreement! -- but I don't think it's truly necessary. However, it's really up to the mentor and crat. They could flexibly implement any restriction, ab initio or on-the-fly, as provided in the Standard Stop Agreement, it makes it trivial, and any custodian has authority to Stop about any custodial action, with teeth. That was the point of that agreement.
I'll note another thing. Suppose the rights are restricted to rollback only. But the user sees serious vandalism (not marginal or questionable), and can prevent damage by blocking. What should the user do? I'd say it: block, and go immediately to WV:RCA and ask for review of the action (because it violated the restriction, which would be disclosed). If some custodian gets a bug about it and goes to meta and the probationer is desysopped, this can quickly be fixed for cause. All it takes is the mentor and a 'crat agreeing that the action was okay, and resysopping. And probably no custodian would go to meta for the action as described! -- the community would not like this! This is the real meaning of w:WP:IAR. We are not rule-bound, but rules are also important for guidance and routine expectations. --Abd 23:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
  • S Larctia has had an eventful entrance at enwv, but based on responses to questions I fully support trying out custodianship. --Draicone (talk) 03:43, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Custodians willing to mentor[edit source]