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Hey Jacki, my topic is goal setting and I was wanting to tie in some theory about what motivates us to put plan in place to achieve goals, I would like to include some info on intrinsic motivation, would you be happy for me to link to your page? Jen Jen.Robson (discusscontribs) 10:57, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Although I do in fact think our topics greatly interplay, I didn't get to incorporate goal-setting into the content of my chapter (I did provide a link in "See also"). If there had been a higher word limit I probably would have used it to answer how intrinsic motivation can be fostered. If this book is expanded on/goes anywhere in the future - there's a thought for whoever that may involveǃ --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 07:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey I was doing some research on my own topic (organ donation) and found some articles I think would be useful for you! Also, the full texts are available from UC which is good. I'm not too sure how to link things etc so if you cant get onto the sites let me know! Hope they help! Effects of externally mediated rewards on intrinsic motivation. Intrinsic and Extrinsic Motivations: Classic Definitions and New Directions Angela.Watt (discusscontribs) 00:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ange, thanks for the articles. I didn't end up using the first one in the end, although I did touch on the concept it covers. The second article was an extremely useful one - I think I based something like 75% of my evidence-base off of it (as per James' advice below)! Also, just to let you know/if you're interested, I used a brief an in-text wiki-link to your topic (organ donation) within my chapter (in the practical self-help section). --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 07:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey Jacki, I came across an article that you might find useful/an interesting read if not useful:mPascual-Ezama, D., Prelec, D., & Dunfield, D. (2013). Motivation, money, prestige and cheats. Journal of Economic Behavior & Organization. Good luck with your page writing :) Ashkrance (discusscontribs) 03:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Didn't even get around to reading this Ash ː( Thank you for taking the time to find and link it to me. It looks like it's related to your chapter topic on behavioural economics? I think, if I had an infinite word count I would have included so many thingsǃǃǃ This being one of them. (It's probably good that there was a limit haha). --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 08:13, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey Jacki! What a wonderful topic to choose :) I think an interesting thing to talk about would be intrinsic motivation in the work place! It seems like all workplaces would want their workers to feel intrinsically motivated to do their best work but how on earth would one achieve this?! I found this article that seems like it might have some information on this: The name of the article is: Transformational leadership, intrinsic motivation, and trust: A moderated-mediated model of workplace safety. I hope you find it interesting :) and good luck with your chapter!! EmmaP (discusscontribs) 03:03, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I would have loved more words to play with for this chapter - I would have elaborated on the "FedEx" study that Dan Pink speaks about in "The puzzle of motivation" (one of the video's listed in the external links section). I think the workplace is a prime example of where intrinsic motivation is perhaps... not... fostered to a great enough extent. I think it is so important that people are intrinsically motivated about their daily work, but it seems that perhaps this is a rare occurrence :( --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 07:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello everyone :) Thank you all for your helpful and useful comments. I have left a little something on each of your pages in return. Except for you Emma, as I am going to do that here: You are glorious(!), the end.
Good luck with this assignment to you all! --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 02:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jacki! To extend on what Emma has said, I am actually writing my chapter on Workplace Motivation! Maybe you would like to tie it in. I find the segment "does intrinsic motivation decrease reward seeking" particualrly relevant as a large part of my chapter is centred around the detrimental effect Rewards can have on intrinsic (or autonomous) motivation. Just an idea! --Bridgiedidge (discusscontribs) 20:35, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey Bridgie :) Thanks for what you wrote here. As I wrote in response to Emma's post (above) I simply ran out of space to elaborate more on this conceptǃ I did end up linking the workplace motivation in "See also" thoughǃ Thanks for promoting the Intrinsic motivation chapter in your work. --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 07:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey Jacki! Your topic sounds interesting and I can't wait to read the final product. I don't know if you were going to include this or not, but you could consider including the idea that extrinsic motivation sometimes diminishes intrinsic motivation. I know that a lot of people think that if you receive a reward for something that is intrinsically motivating then motivation and enjoyment should increase, however it often does not. Just something to consider including as a lot of people think this. I did before this course :) Good luck! --Victoriagc (discusscontribs) 04:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I touched on this in the section on Cognitive evaluation theory ː) --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 08:13, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jacki! thanks for the ideas about peer groups within universities, I had taken a completely different approach, but I definitely will be having a re-think about this area now! I also think that aspects of motivational contagion that I am researching work hand in hand with intrinsic motivation so I may include a link to your page where possible! Good luck with the final touches of your page! I look forward to reading the finished product! TomMarvoloRiddle (discusscontribs) 00:49, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Didn't realise I would be able to use this idea in my own chapter. I included it, with an in-text wiki-link to your motivational contagion chapter here. --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 07:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey have you considered linking your topic with motivation associated with work and the needs and wants such as Herzberg's motivation-hygiene theory (two factor theory) where individuals need to be intrinsically satisfied before they are motivated to perform at work etc. just a thought. Thosecows (discusscontribs) 04:24, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I didn't use this theory in the end as I only really had room for what seem to be the "main" theories (self-determination theory and the different types of motivation). Thanks for the link though - perhaps the theory could be incorporated if workplace motivation were to be elaborated on (as I mentioned above). --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 07:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey there, My chapter is on motivation to volunteering and I briefly touch on intrinsic/extrinsic motivations, do you mind if I link your page to mine? Your chapter sounds really interesting by the way, looking forward to reading it. Bilbo Baggins (discusscontribs) 05:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

If you're interested, I included an in-text wiki-link to the volunteering chapter in the "Practical, self-help advice" section! --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 07:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Again, thank you all so much for your comments. All very valuable contributions. All the best in these last few hours of writing and editing --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 04:06, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
I have left you a comment on each of your chapter discussion pages, Bridgiedidge, Victoriagc, Thosecows, and Bilbo Baggins. And no worries TomMarvoloRiddle :) Hope you are pulling through smoothly. --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 05:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

References[edit source]

Hi there,

I added in the hanging indentation for you in your references section. Goodluck with the chapter Olivia Poscoliero (discusscontribs) 01:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

You have saved me time I would have otherwise spent learning how to do some of the more banal editing, Olivia. Champion! --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 04:41, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Links to extrinsic motivation[edit source]

Hey Jacki!

Hope it's ok, but I've added a link to Extrinsic Motivation on your chapter page as I think it's important to have some reference to this. I noticed the author of that page talks about extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation as well, so you may wish to do something similar, or you may wish to just refer to that heading on that page. I'll add another link to the particular heading just in case. Of course you are free to delete if you feel it's not helpful :)

Good luck with it all! Tash

NatKat88 (discusscontribs) 03:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Not actually something that had crossed my mind to include as a link prior to you posting this. So, thank you! And good luck with your very interesting topic Tash --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 04:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Key reference[edit source]

Hi Jacki. I've added this reference which could/should be the key reference for this chapter:

Ryan, R. M., & Deci, E. L. (2000). Intrinsic and extrinsic motivations: Classic definitions and new directions. Contemporary Educational Psychology, 25, 54-67. doi:10.1006/ceps.1999.1020

Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 11:03, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I thank you in words as well as my wiki-thank you James :) --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 04:43, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Helpful article[edit source]

Hi, I'm doing extrinsic motivation and keep finding articles that seem to be more beneficial for intrinsic motivation rather than extrinsic. You may want to use the following one as a case study? I'm not sure if the link will work, but I found heaps of articles using the UC library search engine.

Best of luck!

Curry, S., Wagner, E. H., & Grothaus, L. C. (1990). Intrinsic And Extrinsic Motivation For Smoking Cessation.. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 58(3), 310-316. Eengleh1 (discusscontribs) 04:29, 1 November 2013 (UTC

Appreciate this. I am sure you will see it there anyway, but just to let you know, I have left a comment on your chapter discussion page :) --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 04:39, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
If you're interested, I have added in some stuff on extrinsic motivation underneath the continuum of motivation title of the intrinsic motivation chapter. Thanks for the mention of intrinsic motivation in your work. --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 08:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Focusing[edit source]

Focusing might provide a practical example of how one can connect with and attending to one's intrinsic needs. Here's some practical steps: Instructions. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 14:13, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Wow. This is great. Until reading this I had never thought of "focusing" as fluid and open. In fact it has always seemed quite the contrary. Thank you for sharing this. Will definitely incorporate it into my chapter (and life - starting with 5 minutes ago!). --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 22:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Must admit I'm having second thoughts about the relevance of focusing to this chapter - might be another topic altogether? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 06:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Must have missed this comment when you originally wrote it. I can see links between focusing and intrinsic motivation. But will see how I go incorporating it - I would say an entire chapter could definitely be written on it - a thought for M&E 2014 I suppose :) --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 00:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Some suggested restructuring[edit source]

Great to see this chapter developing. I think it is time to simplify the structure to focus on the underlying topic and focus questions. So, I've been bold and had a quick shot at adjusting and integrating some heading levels. See what you think. It can be reverted back via the history tab if this isn't so helpful. Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 06:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for this James. It was a seriously big help. --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 07:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Chapter review and feedback

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Overall[edit source]

  1. Overall, this chapter is something of a tour-de-force Smiley.svg. The chapter provides a wholesome overview of IM, integrates theory and research, embodies the book theme (self-help/positive psychology), and provides excellent integration with other related chapters. Main areas for improvement are suggested below. Note that there was an edit conflict (the chapter was being edited whilst I made some edits - I read the 1058 version and have placed the edits I made on that version into this subpage Motivation and emotion/Book/2013/Intrinsic motivation/1058editedversion. Not a big deal, but there may be some edits in there that are worth transferring to the main version (optional). The edits are relatively minor e.g., some changing of the punctuation (much of the time the 'creative' punctuation works well, but I was inclined to make some of it more 'conventional'.

Theory[edit source]

  1. Theory is well addressed by considering two main aspects - i.e., Ryan and Deci's continuum and SDT. These are clearly the two key theory areas.
  2. The historical perspective including Skinner and Hull was excellent.
  3. The considerations section seemed to be a bit underdone/vague; perhaps merge with conclusion/take home messages?

Research[edit source]

  1. Research is reasonably well covered, with one study mentioned in some detail, and several others referred to, with appropriate emphasis on Ryan and Deci's work. Perhaps some more studies could help to support the (somewhat) enthusiastic support for IM, although it is noted that this is appropriately tempered by suggesting that it is important for individuals to find a unique combination of motivational strategies that work for them.

Written expression[edit source]

  1. The written expression is enthusing and successfully balances an academic style with passion. Perhaps there are times when the passion exceeds the evidence (this is where more research support could help - e.g., any meta-analyses or studies which indicate the size of impact of IM?
  2. Citations are well used as are wiki links to related book chapters.
  3. Some images and quotes perhaps could have the connection to IM more clearly explained in captions.

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Chapter feedback response[edit source]

Thank you for the feedback James. Everything you wrote makes a lot of sense - being so zoomed in on the chapter blinded me to a few things, some of which I could sense but see no answer to. So it is extremely useful to get that "outsider" perspective. I took out the "Considerations" title entirely, and itegrated the points I had in that section into other relevant parts of the chapter. I also raked through and transferred the edits you made. Frustrating the conflict meant that they didn't stand/the edit history didn't show them, but in a way it was better this way because I got to see and understand where I could have improved via the changes you made. Love this line "Perhaps there are times when the passion exceeds the evidence" in a nutshell :/ --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 23:16, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Multimedia feedback

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Overall[edit source]

  1. Overall, this is a basic, effective narrated text-slide presentation.

Structure and content[edit source]

  1. Structure and content was simple, but disciplined.
  2. Motivational spectrum diagram was helpful, but text was small and perhaps there could be clearer explanation that motivation can vary according to the extent to which motivation arises from external or internal sources.
  3. There are several relatively brief mention of research (no references?). (The presentation is much stronger about theory than research.)
  4. Self-help focus is good to see.
  5. Take-home messages were useful/good - but ran out of time to explain these?

Communication[edit source]

  1. Communication style is basic, but effective (mostly text-slides plus narrated voice/transcript).
  2. Slide text is generally kept relatively simple (good) and the smallest font is usually (just) readable - no smaller (but e.g., the SDT diagram font is difficult to read - perhaps put it on a separate slide)
  3. Some colour is used to highlight key words (good).
  4. Greater variation in voice tone could help to stimulate and engage the listener

Production quality[edit source]

  1. Production quality is basic, but sufficient.
  2. A headset microphone rather than inbuilt microphone would provide higher quality audio (less background noise)
  3. Limited use of images (e.g., mostly used for backgrounds); the diagrams used were helpful. The first diagram could be redrawn and simplified for presentation purposes. The SDT diagram could be larger, to help emphasise the three ingredients.
  4. Animated text could help to add interest/focus.

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 03:06, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Multimedia feedback response[edit source]

Thanks (again) for the feedback James. I don't really have as much to write in response to this one. I think I already knew everything you have written on submitting. I wanted to do something more/different - I had this grand plan - but just didn't have it in me to carry it out. Also, I did actually use a headset rather than an inbuilt microphone - but the one I bought obviously wasn't a very good quality. Thanks for everything this semester, including your invaluable contribution to the IM discussion page + direct contribution to the IM book chapter. --Jacki Ball (discusscontribs) 19:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)