Talk:Motivation and emotion/Book/2011/Shame

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Feedback on plan[edit source]

Well done - it's fabulous to have a plan like this to work with - this is very much on a promising track and really just needs some mulling over and fine-tuning, I think. I've edited the structure in the Introduction - see what you think - and also made some minor changes/suggestions to what follows, but haven't changed it to reflect the structure above. See what you think first.

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Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 15:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks James, outline looking a lot better. Will also try to estimate a wordcount like the OSN page. Thought I remembered you saying that about the placement of the comments. Reassuring. Jeanette 17:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jeanette, I think your plan looks great. The headings really identify with the theme of the book, and it identifies relevant theory. Can't wait to read it.--Wikitwit 06:04, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Jeanette, I really like you layout!! If your looking for more photos or images,have you tired clip art, or i have read that you can take your own pictures EamesA 04:25, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Looking great Jeanette. I hope this is still along the lines of your topic, but I remember reading about the way in which children are brought up effects whether or not they may feel sorry for an action. If they don't say the word "Sorry" they are not likely to grow up feeling genuinely sorry for these actions - the word brings about the emotion/feeling. In a sense this could be related to shame, the cultural enforcers that bring about what we identify as shameful things and what we feel shame for. Looking forward to reading your work! (PS looks like you've already got a sub-heading for what I'm talking about - socio-cultural) - Jaybay 06:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

(Removed laughter about Syphilis - Probably not appropriate :P ) Also great range of images Jaybay 11:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jeanette, I really like the set up of your chapter. The three scenarios at the beginning are a great way to introduce your focus questions. If you see it fits, you could also mention Erikson's developmental stages and initiation of possible shame here. AngeM 12:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC) Hi Jeanette,

Your chapter looks great, I love the colourful heading with pictures, Im still trying to work that one out. I noticed you may be looking for some input on cultural perspectives. An article by Markus & Kitayama (1991) 'Culture and the self: implications for cognition, emotion and motivation' mentions shame (table on 239), Japanese feel a strong need to restore harmony when experiencing a negative emotion such as shame or guilt (Oime in Japanese). Hope may be of some help. (Susann 08:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC))

Hi Jeanette, thanks I really like the heading. Your chapter looks great. (Susann 05:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC))

Hi jeanette, wow is what comes to mind. you have done a great job! EamesA 12:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Shame images[edit source]

Postsecret[edit source]

Thinking about pictures for your topic - style images would be great for inspiration, but the copyright issues prevent use here - -- Jtneill - Talk - c 09:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Postsecret is a good idea, lots of secrets regarding shame. Even a link to the website if there are copyright problems? I know there are many communities copying the idea of postsecret, for example on Livejournal's "ljsecret". These sites may have material that you are able to publish on Wikiversity. - Jaybay 09:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Flickr creative commons images[edit source]

Could be uploaded to Commons:

  1. Confessions of the love lorn -
  2. Cupboard for naughty children -

Test comment -- Jtneill - Talk - c 02:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Feedback[edit source]

Awesome lead in to the topic, So easy to READ!!!!!!!! nice Ps. James, this is positive feedback, which can motivate people to do there best right??? sooooooo ;)Lucas K 00:57, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jeanette, Your page looks fantastic. I especially like that we can get involved immediately with the three scenarios. It makes it very realistic for the reader as I am sure everyone has been in one of those situations or similar. Also, thank you for the TEDtalks link for my chapter (empathy). I have added it to my page! Ltb 03:19, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Opposite of shame?[edit source]

Is it pride? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 11:07, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jeanette - this chapter really has the WOW factor - congratualtions - very well done - Magnolia

References[edit source]

FYI - the book by Kalata & Shiota, "Emotion" appears to have some content on shame, including a chapter on "Embarrassment, shame, guilt, and pride". Should be in UC library. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 11:30, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Chapter review and feedback

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Overall[edit source]

  1. Overall, this is an impressive, all-around self-help chapter about shame. The chapter tackles a challenging topic and emerges with a sound understanding based on theory and research and does so in a highly readable and interesting way, making effective use of wiki and learning features. Suggestions below are relatively minor.

Theory[edit source]

  1. Cognitive, evolutionary, neurological, and social theories are well covered.
  2. Perhaps the key theoretical perspectives could be briefly introduced in the introduction. (Understandably the emphasis was the scenarios).
  3. Some answers/guidance to the stop and think scenario questions could help a reader - or perhaps a final set of scenarios which described how each character experienced and dealt with shame.
  4. Perhaps it could be helpful to distinguish between acute and chronic shame (not sure if this is suggested in literature). I'm think here that we all experience acute shame (which is normal, OK, and actually desirable), but for some the condition becomes more consistent/prevalent (chronic).
  5. Distinguishing shame from other related emotions is well-handled.

Research[edit source]

  1. The chapter does a very good job of identifying and presenting findings from a somewhat limited pool. Although probably beyond the scope of this chapter, it could be helpful to point towards needed research in the area.

Written expression[edit source]

  1. Written expression
    1. The chapter is rich, rewarding read, combining a self-help focus with understanding of theory and research.
    2. The Introduction provided an effective orientation to the topic. Perhaps the content to come could be briefly overviewed too.
    3. Good use was made of gathering comments on a chapter plan and/or draft and incorporating suggestions.
    4. Some paragraphs were overly long. Each paragraph should communicate one key idea in three to five sentences.
    5. It took some effort to try to extract a pearl-of-wisdom-take-home-message e.g., from the summary. I like the of images, but perhaps another sentence or two after the images with the take-home-message would be useful.
  2. Learning features
    1. Some wiki-links were provided (some more have been added - see my edits)
    2. Very effective use of images, tables, and quiz.
  3. Spelling, grammar and proofreading
    1. Only minor typos etc. found
    2. Note to use Australian spelling e.g., ...ize -> ...ise
  4. APA style
    1. In-text citations were excellent (one of the few chapters to use full APA style)
    2. Reference list was in very good APA style - but note my edits for (non)capitalisation of article titles.

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Multimedia feedback

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Overall[edit source]

  1. Overall, this is a very good multimedia overview of shame, using animated bullet-points, with accompanying images and scripted audio.

Structure and content[edit source]

  1. Content provides a comprehensive introduction/overview.
  2. Perhaps include some examples.
  3. Perhaps include a summary.
  4. Take-home messages / recommendations are useful.
  5. Overall, perhaps less indepth content covered slightly more slowly, with some examples or other way of illustrating the ideas could have been useful.

Communication[edit source]

  1. Audio was well-paced (not too fast)
  2. Perhaps some changes of pace/rhythm could be included
  3. Greater tonal range could be useful to enhance interest and attention.

Production quality[edit source]

  1. Audio is clearly recorded
  2. Text presentation is clear, with effective use of colour
  3. Thanks for licensing with a Creative Commons Attribution license

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 06:22, 10 December 2011 (UTC)