School talk:History/Archive 1

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added dept[edit source]

I added the department I'm most interested in. Someone please tell me if I'm out to lunch, I found the namespaces stuff confusing.

Unnr 16:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In Memoriam: September 11, 2001[edit source]

The "In Memoriam: September 11, 2001" might be the starting point for some Wikiversity "living history" projects. --JWSchmidt 19:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of project are you thinking about in this area? Do keep in mind that wiki is more than just U.S. something titled as you have suggested might turn people away from participating in the project. As a more historically related title I would suggest something like: "Psychological Effects of the WTC attack (9/11) on U.S. Citizens" or "International Response to the WTC Attack". The main goal in history is to evaluate an event and how that effects everything around it, but in terms of wiki, the title originally suggested sounds more like a wikipedia article or even bordering on propaganda than a wikiversity project that is oriented to 'explore' a subject. --Kfitton 14:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misunderstand JWSchmidt; he wasn't suggesting that the September 11 wiki's title be used as a course in History, but rather that many of the materials there could be useful in History courses. The Jade Knight 01:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

War Historian for Hire[edit source]

Hi there, I'd look into assisting on topics in War History. I already have several courses planned, but I intend to make them fit the course templates I've made. They should be self regulating and create feedback loops of continuous improvement if they are followed. I understand some courses are out in Wikibooks. I don't know how those courses are run, but I'd like to know more about this school's philosophy on courses and what the current consensus is on "teaching" (as it seems to be practiced in certain courses here - complete with marked projects) and "group learning."--Dnjkirk 16:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The one thing I think we want to avoid are self-teaching courses. These are the sort which are found in Wikibooks and belong in Wikibooks. All courses, projects, etc., here should require (or at least expect) collaboration and/or "teacher" feedback. If you want to make a self-teaching course, you're welcome to, but it would probably belong in Wikibooks, and then linked to from here. Other than that, really, you can come up with anything you think might be effective. We've been encouraged to experiment. The Jade Knight 21:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
One would expect that books be in Wikibooks and courses be in Wikiversity. Besides, does it not seem that "we want to avoid ... self-teaching courses" and "We've been encouraged to experiment" are mutually exclusive terms? I would like, in good faith, to emphasize the latter and may the best meme win.--Dnjkirk 16:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Many of the "books" at Wikibooks are, in fact, rather like self-teaching courses. You could try to argue that creating dictionary entries or encyclopedia articles for courses is good here, too, but really, that stuff belongs elsewhere if it qualifies to be elsewhere. It can then be linked from here. Otherwise you'll end up having people duplicating effort on both ends, and that's just silly. The Jade Knight 06:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the point in contention is the difference between self-learning (ie: from a textbook) and something that requires interaction. Wikipedia/Wikibooks are great for autodidacts (self-learners) that want to read up on topics...however I'm thinking that the shift to wikiversity is that there is a participation component involved. Granted, this can be carried out in a variety of ways, but due to the nature of wikiversity - writing a standalone self-directed course is going to be difficult and would probably find more efficient use in wikipedia/wikibooks. --Kfitton 16:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: there is now a course available which has interaction: Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War (431 - 404 BC)
We have each week chat sessions - until now 12 (and here the logs). We are happy, if you join, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 12:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't really seem like this belongs here. Anyway, I'm listing on the main page. The Jade Knight 09:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Debate instead of course[edit source]

I am a Dutch historian who wants to help with this project. I am not against courses. Everybody can teach or be teached when they want to. What i meant with this header is that i want to organize debates instead of courses. The reading of literature will be mandatory, but there will be no teacher with the authority to give grades. Instead, truth will be determined through debates, in which it is not obliged to change views. Views will be defended by referring to the literature. This way all remarks made during the debate can be checked by reading this literature.

The first debate i would want to start is about a book called 'Death, Desire and Loss in Western Culture' by Jonathan Dollimore (1998). This book is part of the history of ideas and is more a philosophical topic, then a historical one. However, it gives a good insight on several important aspects of the western culture.--Daanschr 20:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. I'm against givening grade unless they are for improvement. Hitler's Germany seems to be run the way you are talking about. It would be nice to work on a book that in available to everyone. Would quoting passages be against copyright?--Rayc 16:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late reply. I didn't put this page on watch. I would like to join Hitler's Germany, if there is still some place. I have read many books about Germany in that period, especially about the German occupation of the Netherlands.

I don't know about copyrights. I know that many books quote small passages, but i don't know if they have to pay for these.--Daanschr 15:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to the local community college faculty guide that I have: "fair use in the US copyright law permits limited use of portions of a copyrighted work without the owner's permission for purpose such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research. Section 107 of the Copyright Act establishes four basic factors to be considered in deciding whether a use constitutes a fair use. 1: The purpose and character of the use, invluding whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for non-profit educational purposes. 2: The nature of the copyrighted work. 3: The amount and sustantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole. 4: The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." --Kfitton 12:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed: Department of Indic History[edit source]

I see that a "History of India" course has been requested. Now as we all know India's history would be rather difficult to fit into a single course, and thus I would like to head up development of of the new program. Any comments or suggestions for general development would be appreciated. Nmpenguin 07:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is there enough content to make an entire Department of Indic history? This is only meant to be an honest question. I would think we could certainly come up with four or five courses, maybe even eight or nine, but a Department would in my mind offer several, several different courses. Admittedly, I am not incredibly knowledge about the history of India other than to say it is fairly complex. So my question to you nmpenguin is this: would there be enough material to fill several courses and make a full department? Westernhistoryus 05:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why not; India has a long and varied history, and many, many books have been written about it. We have a department of Canadian History, why not Indian? That said, the Department is already there. The Jade Knight 09:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stone age - Iron age[edit source]

Are there any plans to incorprate these topics into this school? If there are I would be willing to help. Think outside the box 10:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible, but at that point you are probably going to run into anthropology/archeology. Might want to check around wikiversity and see if anything like that is already being worked on. --Kfitton 16:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have Anthropology or Archeology departments/schools here? It'd be good to work with them if so. The Jade Knight 10:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we do. I'm the only active member of the archaeology school though. --Danfly 14:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep us informed if you'd like to do any cross-departmental stuff, eh? The Jade Knight 02:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Course suggestion[edit source]

I think it would be really interesting if we could have a course/project on the history of the Jews. I just think its a very interesting subject and would love a course on it... Feather 12:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am doing some papers and research on American Jews and their actions, or inactions, in the U.S. before and during World War II, but I admit that a more complete course on the subject might be interesting. Sekhmetdesign 21:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

interesting Wikipedia search tool[edit source]

--JWSchmidt 14:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's cool. The Jade Knight 09:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Historiography Course[edit source]

Hi all, I am willing to help out in starting a course on the 'philosophy of history' or historiography. In my opinion this course should discuss the different types of history, ie: qualitative history and quantitative history, the incorporation of different disciplines in history, how to correctly 'practice' history. I am very adament about creating this course so any feedback or suggestions would be greatly appreciated Dctrainor 14:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome, thank you for the participation. We are a wiki. Just Be bold. If you need feedback on something, write here or in the Wikiversity:Colloquium. ----Erkan Yilmaz (Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog) 15:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Does Anyone have any background in Historiographical Studies? If so, please contact me. --Dctrainor 20:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Great idea. The Jade Knight 03:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipeida project[edit source]

This might be of interest to Wikiversity participants: w:Wikipedia:Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars. --JWS 13:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Medieval History[edit source]

I did a search relating to medieval history but could not find any information. I would be very interesting in working with fellow lecturers or professors in getting a programme set up in this field. Alas I know nothing about the procedure needed in setting forth such an endeavour. I have a username on Wikipedia. Do I make one on Wikiversity as well? My username does not work on this site. Contact me at 07:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, yes your Wikipedia account does not work here. There is no need to create an account here - but it brings advantages: e.g. your IP is not known, people can write on your talk page, because due to switching IPs you may miss messages, ...
About the programme: what do you have in mind actually ? I would say create a page called: Topic:Medieval History and jump right in with your ideas there! Then people can see some concrete thing - Be bold ! If you need help with reviewing, collecting feedback, ... feel free to knock at my talk page, ok ? Though I am most of the time much more in the past: Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz (Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog) 07:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]