School talk:Electronics

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Active Participants Enlist Here Eadthem (Associates Degree in Electronics & Computer Technology from DeVry university Kansas City)

Tips & tricks Messages Most edit links on the main school:electronic engineering page are broken. the pages are at School:Electronic_engineering/ instead of School:Electronics/ Depending on the decision of the move will determine how it is fixed.

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General School discussions

program layout questions and issues

the layout of the program ee seams a little odd now i learned the technician method rather than engineering method but it seams the order of things is a bit off.
heres some ideas i just put to paper also heres a coarse layout from devry if a couple others could find there coarse layouts and post them see if we can come up with some ideas.
devry coarse layout all degrees

current layout	how i learnd it givin i did the technician style	idea for development
===Level 1=== * EE 111 Digital Electronics * EE 112 Electronics fundamentals * EE 113 Analog Electronics * EE 114 Computer Organization * Printed Circuit Board Layout * ME 103 Workshop Practice * Engineering Mathematics * Engineering Physics * Engineering Chemistry * Computer Programming	===Level 1=== term 1 * COMP100 Comp App for Biz w/Lab (msoffice and internet) * MATH105 Technical Mathematics(general algrabra class) * COLL145 Critical Thinking and Problem Solving * ECT112 Digital Fundamentals(starts with simple ciructs(switches & leds) bin,hex,dec logic gates flipflops mux ends with atod dtoa) * COMP128 PC Systems and Networks (comp repair and building as well as networking a+) term 2 * ENGL112 Composition * ECT150 Electronics 1 (hands on circct aprotch to MATH120 r c l analog circuts ending with basic transistors)[MATH105] * ECT162 Introduction to Microprocessors(altera graphic logic applcation)[MATH105, ECT112] * MATH120 Technical Mathematics II[MATH105](mathmatical approch to ECT150 with schmatic analisys by hand) one thing i loved was my math and electroncis was taught by same teacher and was 2 aproches to the same thing folowing each other	===Level 1=== term 1 * computer applcations(prob kinda remedial) * EE 114 Computer Organization??computer hardware/software(a+ cirt track kinda) * EE 111 Digital Electronics(needs begenning circuts) * EE 116 117 118... PCB Layout(diferent apps eaglecad orcad gEDA...) pcb layout can be set in to 2 classes basic circut sim and pcb layout and heavy multilayerd dense highspeed ciructs/microwave frequency term 2 * programable logic(somtihng like the altera visual logic design) * EE 113 Analog Electronics(devices bjt jfet mosfet scr igbjt...) * EE 112 Electronics fundamentals(r c l breadboard dmm analysys/design) * Engineering Mathematics(r c l paper cicrcut analysys/design) unknown/fit in anywhere * ME 103 Workshop Practice?? * Engineering Physics * Engineering Chemistry * Computer Programming
===Level 2=== * EE 211 Electronic Circuits * EE 212 Digital Circuits and Systems * Analog Integrated Circuits * EE 214 Computer Aided Circuit Analysis * Quantum Mechanics * EE 202 Signals and Systems * CSE Operating System * CSE Data Structure and Algorithm * TEL 101 Telecommunication Principles * CSE 203 Database Management System * ME 106 Thermofluid Mechanics	===Level 2=== term 3 * ECT210 Electronics II (devices bjt fet mostfet scr igbjt triac opamps)[ECT150, MATH120] * ECT215 Data and Fiber Optic Telecom [COMP128, ECT162] * PHYS202 Applied Physics [MATH120] * PSYC110 Psychology term 4 * CARD205 Career Development * ECT250 Technology Integration(was a review of everything prior to this)[ECT210, ECT215] * ECT252 Embedded Microprocessors(atmel microcontroler the whole of at90s1200 and mega16/at8535 and assembly programing for avrasm)[ECT162] * ECT261 Communications Systems (start of wireless circuts osclators detectors)[ECT210, ECT215] term 4 electives 1 or other ECT262 Sensors and Instrumentation ECT267 Local Area Networks and the Internet	===Level 2=== * EE 211 Electronic Circuits(devices bjt jfet mosfet scr igbjt opamps... more advanced) * EE 212 Digital Circuits and Systems(makes sense to have several diffrant ones avalable atmel mot/onsimi xilog...) * Analogoue Integrated Circuits(begennings of transimitters detectors and amps?) * EE 214 Computer Aided Circuit Analysis(pcb layout II as pcb and spice fit together) * Quantum Mechanics * EE 202 Signals and Systems * CSE Operating System * CSE Data Structure and Algorithm * TEL 101 Telecommunication Principles * CSE 203 Database Management System * ME 106 Thermofluid Mechanics

anyhow its starting thougt hope it gets some pepole thinking thers also a eet(ee) plan of study in that pdf at the top and ya ect is 5 terms i didnt post the last one
if someone else has some ideas or contenuations on this thats great but i do think we need to look at it
Eadthem 05:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

looking at it again most of its prob that i took technician track rather than engineering track i still think the first courses need to start off with simpler stuff as well as basic breadboarding and circuitry before doing any logic circuits Eadthem 06:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Level 0

added lvl 0 to the corse list and some ideas

i am thinking of remedial stuff here.
intro to electronics, Likely someone could skip allot but it would be there to bring every one up to speed
under basic spice, It was a thought perhaps the basics of a cad program LTspice/switcher cad III beaning 100% free, gEDA as its open source possibly harder to run, and multisim not free by any measure but widely used.
test equipment
was thinking how to use digital and analog handled and bench meters hp has a nice standard bench meter.

couple modals of oscopes ive got a analog tektronix 2246 prob a digital textronics would be nice to
agilent is also rather popular so prob a digital one of them maybe a bk precision and a pc oscope.

also power supples as money will be tight for a lot of people.
how to use battery's for circuits
i know bk precision and i think hp/agilent make some standard looking analog and digital supplys.
personally planning to put my schematic for a simple dual isolated supply up eventually when time comes as its not hard to build

signal generators
i only ever used a agilent digital signal gen i know theres others prob would be nice to have one from a couple other makers.

also for the above test equipment thinking would be nice to have hints and tips for buying ones own equipment off ebay or in store.

the other 2 courses i think are likely needed as to what else should be in them i don't know for sure.

the following at level 0 are here for ideas on the talk page.

• EE ??? Intro to Electronics
  • Breadboarding, Basic spice, Soldering, test equipment
• EE ??? Intro to Computers
  • Hardware basics, OS basics, Software basics
• EE ??? Intro to Engendering Math
  • Algebra, Geometry, Trig

Eadthem 05:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

class descriptions

i think it would be nice to have these on all ower classes i've put 4 out there already so you can see what it would look like or at least 1 idea for it.

Also there are some classes that are less than clear exactly what thay cover and there pages arnt created yet.

I suggest rather than start on them just to have a this is what this covers, on a page, putting a description below the class link this way if we need to alter the names of pages it wont take a move+redirect. Then we can make the pages when we have actual content to place on them.
Eadthem 05:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC) for presveration shuld we decide to go back Level 0
the following at level 0 are here for ideas on the talk page.
EE 001 Introduction to Engineering Principles
Engineering throughout history,engineering types,engineering job market,expectations and ethics, PE Licensing and other certifications
EE 005 Introduction to Computers
Hardware principles,basic operating and file system usage,introductory software usage and design
EE ??? Intro to Engendering Math
Algebra, Geometry, Trig
EE 090 Introduction to Electronics
Basic Electric definition and principles,basic measuring devices,introductory breadboarding and solid state devices, basic spice, soldering and schematic basics
Eadthem 08:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

class nav template

i've suggested a basic layout for page names and made a template for class pages its in use in the EE111 class.
full class name/full lecture name
EE_111_Digital_Electronics/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops
Eadthem 05:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

class name proposal

I talked to jwschmidt and couple others on irc and a lot of people don't like the class number/name system for pages
current system

• classes
  • EE 111 Digital Electronics
• lectures
  • EE_111_Digital_Electronics/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops
• advantages
  • easy for someone who is trying to learn in classes
  • pages show in order by department(in the categorys)
• problems
  • apparently confusing to a lot of people.
  • others also wouldn't be to hard to follow along in classes if they are done right.

proposed system 1 this is what i have been using lately.

• classes
  • EE_Digital Electronics
• lectures
  • EE_Digital_Electronics/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops
• advantages
  • pages show in order by department(in the categorys)
• problems
  • maby little confusing at first? likely not a prob to someone interested in the field

proposed system 2

• classes
  • Digital_Electronics_EE
• lectures
  • Digital_Electronics_EE/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops
• advantages
  • pages show in order by class and you can still tell witch department there related to(in the categorys)
• problems
  • maby little confusing at first? likely not a prob to someone interested in the field

proposed system 3

• classes
  • Digital_Electronics
• lectures
  • Digital_Electronics/Lecture_6%2C_Flip-flops
• advantages
  • like wikipedia
• problems
  • like wikipedia perhaps makes it harder for someone to say learn on here as they would in univeristy (more of difference only to class names)
  • possible name collisions "analog electronics" for engineering "analog electronics" for techichan (electron flow / hole flow hole vr electron see the find out why's)

ideas thoughts comments??? Eadthem 00:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

online resources

• United States Navy Electronic Training Course
• Electrical Engineering and Computer Science - Thank you guys! this is great website! I have learned much from it, and also, this MIT free online website may do some helps. Please contact them if anyone need any source... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.217.111 (talk • contribs) (Comment moved to appropriate section --Gbaor 06:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC))

School Face Lift

Hey pips. Please comment on face lift for the department. Colour scheme can be discussed as well. Thanx! Thuvack 10:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking PCB green the black on dark purple isnt working thow hard to read Eadthem 23:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

PCB Green sounds good, Anyboy-else with other suggestion. If this is the only suggestion after a week, then I'll change Box-headers to PCB Green. -Thuvack 15:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Done- What should we change the background colour to, I dont think lavender goes well with PCB green. - Thuvack 12:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

well theres 2 shades of PCB green

copper PCB greenMask PCB green

althow those colors prob arnt best, generally a PCB will use thick white lettering for all labels and text.

If you really wanted to implement PCB green you should have masked copper as the headers and mask green as the body and white font with no flourishes say aerial witch wiki already uses.Eadthem 11:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Please have a look at this proposed School Face lift. It incorporates catergorisation and course wish list on sub pages. Also Department news are moved to a sub page. Please see this discussion for clarity on motivations towards this standardisation. I will wait a week for comments before implementing this change.;-)Thuvack 05:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Y Done -- Please comment--Thuvack | ^{talk | Blog} 11:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

TALK PAGE MERGER

I have merged the old talk page at topic_talk:electronic engineering with the talk on this page.

the old talk is now in the School talk:Electronic engineering before merger page.

the old archive that was on the page has been moved to School talk:Electronic engineering 2006.

some of the current talk on this page can be archived as well under a new subpage of this page.

Eadthem 16:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

A little confused...

When I look at what Electrical Engineers and Electronic Engineers do, it seems almost if not the exact same. The question that I have is, if you major in Electrical Engineering in college, would you learn everything that you need for Electronic Engineering and when you begin to "job-hunt," would you just choose your dicipline for Electronic Engineering? Thanks. CRBR 19:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

It is almost exactly the same and most insitutions keep them fully together. What we have on WV is electronics engineering reffering to digital, communcations, computing, and signals. as well as some power managment and support of them. For electrical engineering the focus is more on power transmission and power management, and industrial power. it would cover mains wireing, power distrabution, motor control, lighting. IIRC the electrical engienering school was started by some peopole who had extensive knowolage about that focus. The division was mantained somewhat as a failure to decide or conceve of how exactly they could be effectively combined, so it was decided to keep them seperate and share some content as apropreate.Eadthem 00:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

MOVE/RENAME PROPOSED

So i proposed and tried to get started a move from school:electronics to school:electronic engineering based on the fact that the content, page titles, links to the page all address it and are centerd around Electronic Engineering. The discussion is on Wikiversity:Request_custodian_action#page_delete_or_move_for_School:Electronics_to_School:Electronic_engineering due to a issue with the target page.