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  • William Leismer (BsEE Trine Univ. | Ph.D. Student Univ. Michigan - Motor Control\Power Electronics | Graduate Student Intern - Delphi Automotive)
  • Thuvack (Jnr Consulting Electrical Engineer)
  • CTO (CTO with a US Semiconductor Company)
  • Muhammad (Undergraduate student of EEE in IUT, Bangladesh)
  • JW (Ph.D. Student, Power Systems)
  • Bhargav Prasanna (Undergraduate Student of EEE in Meenakshi Sundararajan Engineering College,Chennai)
  • RUR (Electrical site Engineer, Residential & Commercial)
  • Bgorges(Undergraduate student of EE and CE at University of Wyoming)
  • BSP(Practicing Electrical Engineer in Asia & Middle East)
  • B. Sheehan(Electro-mechanical Maintenance Technician)
  • Neurondev (Undergraduate student in Electrical Engineering at the University of Colorado)
  • [user:jeffrey imieh|mcjeff2003](Elecrical/Ectronics Engineering Technologist, graduate of Federal Polytechnic, Nasarawa State, Nigeria, Africa)
  • Hashem Ramezanzadeh (Ms.C in Power Engineering and surveillant of South Pars Central Power Plant)
  • Palak Mathur (Bachelor of Technology in Electronics and Instrumentation Engineering from Anand Engineering College, Agra. Currently Working as Software Engineer with Infosys Technologies Limited, Pune, India)
  • G.Girish (Pursuing B. Tech in Electrical Engineering from India)
  • Ajay Sharma (Electronics Engineer)
  • R.R.Krishna (BE.Electrical and Electronics Engineer)
  • Anurag Panda (Electronic Systems and Materials Engineering at Cooper Union)
  • Thomas Aherne (3rd Year Apprentice Electrician, R.O Ireland)--SparxDa Bear 23:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Career questions[edit source]

what can i specalize in after my under graduate course in

  1. electronics & communications (in india)
  2. electrical engineering (in india)

email:lost_varun@yahoo.com

Re:Career questions
That very much depends on what stream you are following/currently in and what your interests are. You will find there are overwhelming options available. So decide which door you are openning... Electrical or Electronics?
Thuvhack 09:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

online resources[edit source]

"brain reading headset"[edit source]

brain reading head set - sorta neat maybe --Remi 08:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comments on Face lift[edit source]

Hey pips. Please comment on face lift for the department. Colour scheme can be discussed as well. Thanx! - Thuvack 09:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Department Logo and slogan[edit source]

I have uploaded a logo I feel would be suitable for this department. and the logo. Please feel free to comment andif anyone is interested in polishing it, they are welcome. This is version 1, I will be working on Version two, Hopfully once I have figured out how to insert curving text upright. Thuvack 13:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Department Clean-up Proporsal[edit source]

I am currently working on a new look for this department, ( see my Sand box. I would like to clean-up this Department by Create a course Wish list sub-page where all stub pages catergorized by levels can be posted and new course request's can be kept to achieve the follows:

  • clean up the main department page
  • organise requested contet that needs developing
  • enable catergorisation of course's completion status.

The Following table shows concerned courses and suggetsted action:

Electrical Engineering Department Clean-up
Level Course name Comment/Recomendation Status
Level 1 1. EE 99 Principles of Electricity Merge this topic to EE 101 Electrical Engineering Fundamentals .
2. EE 104 Electrical Drawing and Drafting Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
3. EE 110 Lab: Workshop Practice Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
4. ME 105 Workshop Practice Delete this (requested) topic. Similar to EE 110 Lab: Workshop Practice .
5. Science, Technology and Society Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
6. Engineering Drawing Delete this (requested) topic. Similar to EE 104 Electrical Drawing and Drafting .
7. Engineering Chemistry Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
8. Computer Programming Move Course to level 2 and rename. .
Level 2 9. EE 204 Measurement and Instrumentation Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
10. CSE 203 Database Management System Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
11. ME 106 Thermofluid Mechanics Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
Level 3 12. EE 303 Engineering Management Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
13. EE 304 Illumination Engineering Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
14. EE 304 Illumination Engineering Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
15. EE 307 Instrumentation Engineering r.4 .
16. EE 308 Electrical Installations Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
17. EE 309 Utilization of Electrical Energy Add this (requested) topic to EE 301 Power Systems. Remove from course list .
18. EE 310 Power Electronics Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
19. TEL 102 Radio Communications Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
20. EE 324 Applied electromagnetics Add this (requested) topic to EE 302 Electromagnetic Fields and Waves. Remove from course list .
Level 4 21. EE 402 Power Station Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
22. EE 403 Energy Conversion Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
23. EE 405 Power System Stability Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
24. EE 406 High Voltage Engineering Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
25. EE 407 Linear Circuits and Systems Delete this (requested) topic. Similar to EE 102 Electric Circuit Analysis .
26. EE 408 Microwave Engineering Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
27. EE 409 Renewable Energy System Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
28. EE 410 Communication Theory Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
29. TEL Data Communication Add this (requested) topic to Telecommunication Engineering. Remove from course list .
30. TEL Optical Communication Add this (requested) topic to Telecommunication Engineering. Remove from course list .
31. TEL Radar Communication Add this (requested) topic to Telecommunication Engineering. Remove from course list .
32. TEL Satellite Communication Add this (requested) topic to Telecommunication Engineering. Remove from course list .
33. Telecommunication Engineering Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
34. Engineering Economics Move to Course wishlist sub-page .
35. Business Communication Delete this (requested) topic. Similar to EE 410 EE 410 Communication Theory .


By doing the above changes, we can make this Department look less daunting and progressive that it looks at this point.As usual I will wait atleast a week before I implement the above proporsals. Please comment on this suggestion.Thuvack 14:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It looks pretty good, I think though the course outline could be a bit broader/comprehensive. Don't know though. Color scheme is better. Sorry I have not contributed much for a while. Will hopefully start doing more. --Bgorges 00:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good to hear from you, I will be moving the final page tomorow.;-)Thuvack 05:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Name space for this department[edit source]

I am suggesting a name space change for this department from Topic to School to be in line with the School of Electronics. This little detail has been annoying me for some time now. Any comments? --Thuvack | talk | Blog 11:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I guess it will be the case of sorting out redirects ;-( --Thuvack | talk | Blog 11:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Department Description Revision / School Restructuring[edit source]

On the main page for the School of Electrical Engineering, the following line opens up the summary to this school:

Electrical Engineering is usually referred to as Power Electrical Engineering or Heavy-current Electrical Engineering

This statement is brand new to me, and I'm not sure that it is true, at least within the US. Most US institutions have a department called the Electrical Engineering & Computer Science (EECS) or Electrical and Computer Engineering (ECE) department. Across the spectrum, Electrical Engineering tends to be more physics and hardware based (think electromagnetics, communications, signal processing, and discrete (transistor) electronics), Computer Engineering follows after with some overlap covering discrete electronics, signal processing, very large scale integration (VLSI), embedded systems, programming language algorithm classes, and higher level network management. Computer Science then covers the other end of the spectrum including programming language algorithm classes, higher level network management, database creation/management/optimization, application development, etc.

Knowing this, I would like to propose some sweeping changes to the Electrical Engineering and Electronics Engineering schools. Currently, there is quite a lot of overlap between the two schools, shown in the list below:

  • Engineering Mathematics
  • Engineering Physics
  • Signals and Systems
  • Electronic Circuits
  • Communications
  • Power

These are all very broad fields, and it seems redundant to have two separate Schools that are so closely related. Electrical Engineering is by far the more general field, largely encompassing all that falls within what Wikiversity currently defines as "Electronics Engineering".

My proposal, as it stands now, is rough, but I would like to get some user feedback before I move on to creating a plan for consolidation and cleaning up these two schools and courses to be more approachable by newcomers to the fields of Electrical and Computer Engineering.

Field of Electrical Engineering

• Circuits

    • Instrumentation

• Communications

    • Signal Processing
    • Analog signals
    • Digital signals

• Control
• Electromagnetics

    • Optics

• Power & Energy Systems

    • Generation
    • Transmission
    • Delivery

• Solid State Devices
• Biomedical


References

http://www.dedicatedengineers.org/Resources/Engineering_Disciplines_Handout.pdf http://www.ee.psu.edu/Undergraduate/SpecializationAreas.aspx https://www.ece.illinois.edu/academics/ugrad/subdisciplines/ --William Leismer.

Please sign your comments using four (~)s, without the parentheses so that we know that they are from you. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My gut response is to keep the two schools separate. But, my familiarity with current Engineering departments is weak at best. When I have to get my DVD player repaired, the technician who works on it has different expertise than the contractor who rewires my home. My guess would be that an Electronics Engineer as a professional generally is still focusing on microelectronics with millivolts and milliamps, while an Electrical Engineer might redesign a power plant, a supercapacitor, or a power supply. Obviously, there is overlap, especially at the beginning. UTPA, for example, initially separated Computer Science from Electrical Engineering, yet now combines them. My suggestions: see if you can clean up the two school pages, while keeping them separate, and especially add to the course offerings in your favorite areas. If you need more feedback than just my opinion, probably a good idea, feel free to ask at our Wikiversity:Colloquium. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 00:26, 16 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's an interesting point, but neither repairing a DVD player nor having someone rewire your home are jobs that Electrical Engineers take on. Someone repairing a DVD player would have the job title of 'Technician' or 'Electronics Technician', and someone rewiring a home would have the title of 'Electrician'. You may be making this point, and I apologize if I'm repeating what you've already stated. There are two main types of engineering degrees, namely what we simply call Engineering and the less mathematically and physics intensive Engineering Technology. Engineering is rooted deeply within mathematics and physics, much more so than Engineering Technology. Engineering Technology degrees confer upon their students the ability to operate a certain set of tools to do primarily analytical and/or testing work, rarely design. There are exceptions, but in general, someone with a Bachelor of Science in an engineering discipline can do the job of someone with an Engineering Technology degree, not typically the other way around. As I said, there are exceptions and overlap, but there is a marked difference between the two. One needs only search online job boards for engineering degrees spanning the breadth of the field of electrical engineering from communications, radio frequency circuits, VLSI, power systems, control, etc. to see that they all call for one degree, namely a BS, MS, or PhD in Electrical Engineering.
This all being said, there's no real benefit for Wikiversity to divide up Electrical Engineering from Electronics Engineering, because Electronics are fundamental to and within the field of Electrical Engineering. My references posted above from Penn State and Illinois ECE departments show what is generally the consensus among academics and professionals in the working world: Electronics (Instrumentation) is merely a subset of Electrical Engineering. Very few schools offer "Electronics Engineering" degrees, because an electrical engineering student will learn all that he/she needs in order to properly operate, test, and even design existing and new electronics.
I apologize for the length of this post, but since I graduated so recently, I still distinctly remember what it was like trying to figure out what an Electrical Engineering college and career experience would be like, and in fact, I'm still figuring some of that out. What I do know, however, is that the current state of these two school pages was awfully confusing to me at first, so I can't imagine what it's like for others who haven't had experience with accredited course work in the field to sort it all out.
There is certainly merit to keep the Electronics Engineering section here on Wikiversity; in fact I hope we do! I just don't think that it deserves its own school, but rather that it should exist as a sub-discipline of the Electrical Engineering school. This will help to consolidate the redundancy and allow for a change to the description of the EE School's main page to better reflect the reality of the job market and career opportunities that exist for EEs in the world today. Also, I'd like to say that I don't mean this to be hostile! I know that sometimes attitude and intention can be lost over typed text, so I just want to be clear that I'm only looking to share and gather opinions :D -- William Leismer (discusscontribs)
12:46, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments! I am familiar with the various differences but here's a quick summary of what has happened in the past:
  1. 18:42, 15 October 2008‎ Mike.lifeguard (discuss | contribs | block)‎ m . . (32 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Topic:Electronic engineering moved to School:Electronics: history merge)
  2. 11:48, 11 October 2008‎ Thuvack (discuss | contribs | block)‎ . . (32 bytes) (-4,980)‎ . . (reversed redirects)
  3. 11:48, 11 October 2008‎ Thuvack (discuss | contribs | block)‎ . . (5,012 bytes) (0)‎ . . (reversed redirects)

These two users did some battling over this exact question; hence, my suggestion to clean up the two school pages rather than merging them back yet again. We would like your input very much as these two schools (or departments, called topics here) need updating and improvement. A similar activity was performed on our school of Medicine. Wikiversity likes to be novel relative to other universities including online and brick and mortar. We would also like to maximize your effort towards improvement of resources, while minimizing your political headaches. I'm not sure how many others are currently active regarding these two schools, but if you think it will help I can post a message on our colloquium to see who shows up. This might save you some effort. What do you think? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 20:25, 16 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

School Description Revamp[edit source]

In an effort to accurately describe the state of the field of Electrical Engineering in today's world, I propose a change to the summary of the School of Electrical Engineering here on Wikiversity. Wikipedia presents the following summary of the field of Electrical Engineering, which much more closely reflects the actual state of the discipline. Some truncation and additions (in italics) were done by me.

    Electrical engineering is a field of engineering that generally deals with the study 
and application of electricity, electronics, and electromagnetism. Electrical
engineering has now subdivided into a wide range of subfields including electronics, digital
computers, power engineering, telecommunications, control systems, radio-frequency
engineering, signal processing, instrumentation, and microelectronics. Electrical Engineering
is a broad field that encompasses many different sub-disciplines. However, all
these disciplines share a likeness in the early stages of learning, namely the mathematics,
physics, and chemistry required to fully understand and begin the path to becoming an engineer.
After study of these math and science fundamentals has been sufficiently completed,
further study can be done within each sub-discipline of EE.

The current summary on this Wikiversity page focuses much too heavily upon Power Systems Engineering, which is merely a subset of the entire field of EE. Therefore, I propose that we make sub-topics within this School of EE to describe and differentiate the sub-disciplines of those listed in the quote from Wikipedia above. This will better represent the diversity and entirety of the field of EE, which is not merely power systems engineering.

Out of respect and in an effort to hear any concerns, I'll wait until the end of this week to make the change unless there is significant resistance/confusion. -- William Leismer (discusscontribs)

13:25, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I put a request for input on our colloquium page. We should read something soon. If not by the end of the week, give it a go! --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 20:50, 16 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We've gotten some feedback at the colloquium which you may find helpful. Our Statistics help to determine student interest and preferences. Just FYI but if you're working at the department as a TA or RA, that may be a great resource to be added here as well. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 06:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Excellent! I'll take a quick look; thanks for replying to this and my other post. I agree with you on keeping the political headaches low! William Leismer (discusscontribs) 17:52, 17 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Electrical glove[edit source]

I'm doing a project for school creating a glove that can harness and expel lightning (think Iron Man's glove) but I'm worried about killing myself and I don't have the stuff and expert help I need. I've got the main basis, rubber glove with copper wiring spidering the fingers and stretching down to the palm with something that can shoot it but I need some help. Any ideas? (The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.66.198.62 (talkcontribs) 1 March 2017‎)

It's not my area of expertise, but from what I remember of physics and electricity, you need to focus on high voltage and low amperage. You can get a spark gap of a little over one centimeter per kilovolt. You may have difficulty generating enough voltage to have significant spark length. See http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/msr/spk/ . Yes, if you aren't careful, you can hurt yourself or others. Shocks to the head or chest area should be avoided, avoid grounding yourself so that the shock goes through you, etc. Check with your school's physics instructors for more information. They may have a Wikipedia:Van de Graaff generator you can experiment with. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:25, 1 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit buttons on portal page[edit source]

All of the edit buttons on the portal page that I checked (courses, related departments, learning projects) link to pages in the 'School' namespace rather than the 'Topic' namespace. It seems that most other schools are using the school namespace pages for these kinds of subpages. I'm wasn't sure if this was on purpose, so I thought I would mention it here before trying to change it. Can I go ahead and re-link these subpages? Jaxter184 (discusscontribs) 22:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jaxter184: Several years ago, the Topic: namespace was eliminated. It didn't do what people thought it did, and was better served by either School: and/or Portal:. School: pages were also cleaned up, only retaining those that typically averaged more than 1 view per day. Content about a topic should be in the main (no prefix) namespace. Pages used to help coordinate editing efforts (think Wikipedia WikiProjects) for a topic should be in the Portal: namespace. The School:Electrical engineering page is fairly popular, averaging about 7 views per day, so it's probably worth fixing. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:30, 26 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]