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We would like to create a system with interactive study, each individual at his / her own pace, effectively teaching themselves all about Judaism

Hello, feedback regarding this is welcome. Please add your helpful comments here in the colloquium. Thx, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 22:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please try out the original tour for newcomers

In anticipation of letting my students loose on Wikiversity in a month or so, I've been through the The original tour for newcomers and tweaked it a little. Can I invite others to also take a look and make some changes or offer feedback. Here's what I did (I think):

  • Made the first and last page a little fancier/friendlier looking
  • Changed the navigation bar spacing
  • Reformatted the headings
  • Embedded the editing movie in Part 1
  • Tweaked wordings (mostly to simplify)
  • Tweaked some image sizes and captions
  • Transcluded the content (it was duplicated)

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 15:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions:
  • the title: why "The original tour for newcomers"? The original things use to be those, that were created earlier. Moreover you refer to orginal version of this page in the lower section
  • Remove the "Now visiting: Wikiversity:Introduction/Part 1 (visit original version of this page)" headings from pages. It could be confusing to a newcomer... He may start the simplified version and finish the "old" one... If you want, you can add a link to this on the first (or maybe better) on the last page.
  • Change the tip in the box a little to: Tip: Only click on links inside this green box in order to continue in tour! --Gbaor 05:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed: A New Format for Search Results & Browsing

What would be wonderful is a way to more effectively use the categories function to classify search results and also to enable browsing. What if search results came up as a list of items under their categories with a "+" dropdown as things do in the categories lists, but with a page listing in it.

E.G.: I search for "Astronomy Mars"...and my results are:

[-]Category:Physical Sciences|Physics and Astronomy|Astronomy

  • The visible sky

2 KB (216 words) - 03:31, 17 December 2007

  • The Planet Mars

3 KB (455 words) - 02:61, 21 March 2007

[-]Category:Physical Sciences|Physics and Astronomy|Astronomy|Introduction to the Planets

  • Mars

[Image:Mars atmosphere.jpg|thumb|right|270px|Mars' thin atmosphere, visible on the horizon in this low orbit image.] Mars is the fourth planet from the Sun and closest to Earth after Venus. A grea ... 2 KB (255 words) - 10:37, 8 June 2008

[-]Category:Life Sciences|Biology|Exobiology

  • Search for life on Mars

... ave been even more common on Mars in the past. Has there ever been life on Mars? ... m. It has been suggested that this might be a good target for a mission to Mars that would seek signs of past life. 1 KB (233 words) - 07:03, 1 May 2007

[+]Category:Humanities|Comparative Mythology|Introduction to Myth
[+]Category:Physical Sciences|Physics and Astronomy|Physics

etc.

This would really help in getting around safely, and would turn search results into something that could help us find what we want, even if the results are simply close and not exactly right.
--Gustable 08:35, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds useful, but that might be difficult to implement and use a lot of CPU time per search. What I'd prefer is if Wikiversity used a Google site search, which can correct spelling errors and still find Wikiversity articles. I often go to Google to search Wikiversity now, so it would be nice to be able to do that from within Wikiversity. For example, the poorly spelled Google search "ahstanamy site:wikiversity.org" [1] gives this useful result: [2], while a Wikiversity search for "ahstanamy" gives me nothing. StuRat 12:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to list your ideas at Wikiversity:Technical needs, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 19:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question retrieved from deleted page

The following should have been posted to the colloquium, I think --McCormack 09:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

my name is Dato mohammed, i am from Ethiopia i would like to request you to help me for thing tha i had un able solve yet by my selfe. so i needed help from you if you are volenter to help me for that. i am living in dullsa tawon, the area located in south afar-National-Stat of Ethiopia and there is no internet access, telephone and electricity also anyather. doue to this, i could not able to in prove my English Language. the ways only i using to in prove my language skill is listinig radio programs, but that was not saficiant to me i needed developed language skill to get that one also i wanted to some money fore the material cost, to that one i am also poorest one in the area so what shall i do? PLEASE TEL ME WHAT TO DO SINCERLY YOURS Dato Mohammed Dato User:213.55.73.249

A computer could work on solar energy. Once this man has a working computer and an internet connection, he could start a business. The benefit for living in Ethiopia is that the cost for living is low, so if a company can earn a bit of profit, it would be enough to cover daily needs.
What i discovered on the internet is that most active users (in the english language section) are people from America and Europe. We could start a project to come into contact with people from Africa, Asia and Latin America and to help them with their daily survival.--Daanschr 10:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, there is w:Microfinance and Kiva.org... --Emesee 10:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
May I ask from where you write this now ? (school, university, ...) You seem to have internet there. But the time you can spend at that location is not so much ? People used to learn languages too before computers and internet were invented. I couldn't find your named town by a search engine to help you further. But did you ask around in your neighborhood (or around) if someone wants also to learn English or knows it already ? They can be of assistance to you. Now the question is how to motivate them to do so ? Even if you have no money you can provide other services which you can exchange - trading exists since long - humans are based on needs. It is always better to create a cell - I mean - group :-) where people help each other. Find people who have the same goal as you and I am sure this will already help a little. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 13:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"It was also true that Iban maidens as "sleeping dictionaries" did exist, and to this day, there are in fact many prominent Eurasians in local Borneo society who are living proof of that practice." The Sleeping Dictionary. (2008, June 12). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 18:20, July 8, 2008, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sleeping_Dictionary&oldid=218825535

Wikiversity Wordle

http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/64322/Wikiversity That site creates word maps based on input from the Internet. Emesee 10:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prospectus

Would it be a good idea to create a wikiversity prospectus? Would we need more than one for different levels? Please discuss. Donek (talk) - Go raibh mile maith agaibh 00:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It could be - depends on audience/format/focus, etc. Also see Wikiversity:Publicity. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 01:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
w: Prospectus (university) - interesting. We certainly could start one. Perhaps at Wikiversity:Prospectus. Emesee 20:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Stub created. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Random

For those interested in exploring randomness, please see the beginnings of Random. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 01:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Content/Course Categorization Idea for Department Pages

I thought I should bounce this arround and see what everyone thinks.

I have been working at Organising School of Electrical Engineering and School of Electronic Engineering for some time now. I thought of improving these department as follows

  • Making Department pages Less Daunting and easy for interested contibutors and even visitors by showing A list of Available courses with individual current estimation of percentage of completion of courses offered.
  • Taking all Requested courses/topics into a Course Wish List Subpage and hence avoiding displaying a whole lot of red links.
  • Adding a featured Biography for the related school.

This is more asthetics (in my POV) and can allow contributors to have a snap-shot of the progress of their department. Ofcoures this needs some one who will be actually bored enough to actually do these manual edits and to update the relevant department regularily (Hmm... Maybe I can created a bot for that one day ).

Please have a look at my Current Version For School of Electrical Engineering in my Sand Box here --Thuvack 16:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Thuvack. Your test page looks great, and the ideas above are good as well. A couple of suggestions: (1) avoid a dated news box on your page, because if your enthusiasm ever slips, the news dates will quickly show people that nothing is happening; perhaps put news onto a subpage; (2) avoid those course codes (EE 000 and so on) - course codes are usually country-specific and can be off-putting to people who don't understand them. Otherwise: great. --McCormack 17:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Very well picked up, the Dates and Course Codes have been a thorn on my mind for a while. I will act on these as soon as I can. Thuvack 07:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have created a sub page to keep Department news, how can I set up rss feeds for the deparment news for interested people to subscribe to? Thuvack 08:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I realy need some help creating RSS Feeds for Department News Sub pages that can be subscribed to by Participants of related schools. This would be Helpful ( in my opinion ). Any one? Please. I am almost ready to move my Sand Box pages to Relevant School pages and would like to sort that out before the move.Thuvack 07:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chat meeting on WikiProject organized debate

SB_Johnny asked me to restart the Wikipedia WikiProject organized debate, with a new name. The purpose of this project was to improve an article by discussing relevant sources, mostly literature. An announcement would be made a year in advance, in order to be able to discuss sources and read books on the topic. After a year, a month of article improvement would commence. My idea with this project was that slow change would work the best in order to improve the quality of Wikipedia. I wanted to attract those who were willing to invest enough time and energy into the project and to find a structure which would ensure a certain stability and growth. Stability and growth is hard in our time, because continuous change makes life too fast, but many things that are the most worthwhile come slow and need time to digest.

I ended this project because i believed that a minimum of participance was needed for a lift-off. I entered topics, and put templates on articles dedicated to the topic, but nobody volunteered, except for Mystictim. In order to make this WikiProject work, i want to ensure that the picking of topics becomes a collective rather than a individual choice. Is anyone interested to discuss this WikiProject and to think of topics that they like to read and discuss about, than they are welcome to join in a chat meeting on this subject. A date for this meeting has still to be set for this.--Daanschr 18:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, let's make a chat - even if it is just the two of us :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 18:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to chat about this on saturday UTC 5 o'clock in the afternoon on july 19th. Which will be CET 7 o'clock in the evening.--Daanschr 10:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One topic has already be chosen, see WikiProject organized debate: Wiki related learning

  • Start on 1st August 2009 - End 31st august 2009
  • Main language will be English. Other languages are also possible perhaps.
  • Some of the recommended literature and other sources:
Suoranta, Juha and Tere Vadén, Wikiworld. Political Economy and the Promise of Participatory Media (Tampere 2007) --Daanschr 18:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The topic has been cancelled. There is no topic at the moment, but perhaps there will be one somewhere in the future.--Daanschr 20:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Offline browsing

I thought about possibilities to browse WV pages offline, and I came to ScrapBook FF extension, and created also an example - Educational Media Awareness Campaign/Biology (uploaded to RapidShare, while WV doesn't allows to upload zip files). In case the link doesn't work just drop me an email and I will re-upload it or send it via mail. To start it, just unpack the file and hit the "!click_here_to_begin.lnk". Please note, that only pages at the Gallery of featured media for biology box work in offline state. It could be done nicer, certainly, but I didn't have time to play with it (this was done in 5 min.). Please try and tell me you opinion. --Gbaor 11:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting tool, I am looking for something similar. I have lot's of time on weekends but no internet. It would be nice to have a small wiki-like engine that I can install in my Linux Lap top box. This would mean that I would be able to work on my Sand Box Pages and other Course pages off line over the week-end and only cut and paste on monday morning. Nice Find! Will you be writting a small how to on this?Thuvack 12:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know, this tool is for browsing only (i.e. to save changes or to use the preview button you need to be online). But this could be useful to create offline versions of course pages and distribute them further in a "wiki-like" environment (I said wiki like, because these pages are just bare copies). You can notice also, that I removed my name, talk (...) and also all tabs (discussion, edit, history...) from the example. (Solution to your problem: You might want to install MediaWiki.)
Other: The general problem in using and reading WV or WP is that you need to be online all the time. Other approach is, that one can download separate pages, but this could take much time and at the end you got a bunch of pages with no cross-links between them (own experience). I see the (great) potential of this approach in delivering the content of well-developed resources to part of the world with no or very little internet access. They could be easily sent via mails, CDs, uploaded to various file sharing and torrent engines... --Gbaor 05:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to is ready. Improvements welcomed. --Gbaor 05:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I downloaded the ScrapBook and installed it on my Linux Box ( Had Fire fox already ). I also down loaded your example and it worked very well. I think I will use this tool more now that I understand it's use.Thuvack 07:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I will check it out ;-)Thuvack 05:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Any news, Thuvack? Hillgentleman|Talk 09:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there, I haven't had any chance to do anything this weekend, I will get to it sometime this week I promise ;-)Thuvack 06:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stats

Lecture 2.0

Lecture 2.0 is looking for ideas - feel free to contribute. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 01:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sidebar search

I got a little frustrated today in class because I was introducing Wikiversity to students and asked them from time to time to use the search box. They found it hard to locate (had to scroll down). So, Erkan showed me how to shift it - and now its in the top left for a little experiment. What do you think of it now? Discuss here or MediaWiki_talk:Sidebar#Search. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 16:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. --McCormack 20:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bolted cover joints [Pressure vessel] to reduce cover od

Hello friends,

I want your guidance please,

While I am designing a cover joint for pressure vessel with reference to ASME VIII, the bolting area required increase for L7 when compared B7 material, since allowable stress of L7 is less when compared to B7.

Is there any better material which can replace L7, since B7 is not used for low temperature application?

Thank you

--Chennai08 14:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I don't know the answer yet, but I could provide you some links here at WV where you could go by and ask/read, e.g. Topic:Mechanical engineering, Category:Mechanical engineering. Besides this looking at w:Pressure vessel and other pages at Wikipedia might give you more information on the way to reach a solution. btw: the version history of every wiki page shows the contributors. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit bug?

Proposal to disable hotlinking

For all those interested, I have made a proposal to disable hotlinking on all Wikimedia projects. Please join the discussion at Meta. JohnnyMrNinja 21:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • For the interest of Wikiversity users, the 3rd part of his proposal is unrelated to hotlinking and relates to mass deletion of user-created public-domain images on Commons. I regard this as in opposition to the goals of Wikiversity. My reasons are as follows. (1) Many images get uploaded to Commons which are not used on Wikipedia pages and have no obvious use for encyclopedia articles. (2) These "unused" images are a fantastic resource for educators who can browse through them and choose images for their projects. (3) Image media are generally of far greater usefulness for educators than for encyclopedia writers, and to mass delete unused images from Commons would discriminate against educators and cripple the way in which educators work with media. Perhaps JohnnyMrNinja can modify his principle by deleting proposal 3? --McCormack 07:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiversity:Quality

User:Emesee (Remi) has revised the quality perception of Wikiversity upwards from 3/10 to 6/10. His personal recommendation is now 7 to 8, compared to his personal recommendation of 3 about 14 months ago. Is he right? What do you think? --McCormack 07:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With the new main page and the Wikiversity:Featured at least the organization + access is better than it was before. People can easier see what is available (if it is good is another question). So, from that point, I would rate it with a 8. Here again a big thank you (in German) to you McCormack + the others who helped here.
The grade about interaction/working together: 3 (so from what I see, this may totally be wrong from your POV - hit me then)
About quality of contents I will not give a value: this is subjective and everybody probably sees it (slightly) different depending on which learning resource they are interested in.
If someone wants, let's do a quality model, so we go back from more subjective to less subjective (I don't say rational with purpose): Wikiversity talk:Assessment#methodology ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What is the methodology of this test? Can anyone repeat it? I havent check it.--Juan 16:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RSS feed (again)

These questions were copied from Thuvack's talk page. I made the initial suggestion, but don't know anything about RSS feeds. I hope someone will have an answer... --Gbaor 10:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tried Wikiversity Blog howto, and It seems to be explaining how to create a manually maintained Rss feed.

  • I have done an RSS feed for my Blog and added the this link that you can copy to an aggregator. I then subscribed to my Blog feeds using Feedreader 3.13 and that seemed to work.
  • I cant however Get Rssbot to create and maintain rss feeds for me for the Test Blog I created. Is Rss bot broken? beacuse when I follow the instruction for using the Rssbot template, then subscribe to the blog on my aggregator using this link, I get the following error message:
Error adding feed:;Cant add/update feed.http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User:Thuvack/Blog/rssaction=rawctype=application/rss+xml

Did I do something wrong? --Thuvack 14:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am convinced that the RSSbot is not functional/malfunctioning. I have tried to use it on two pages to no avail. I just looked at User contributions by MichaelBillingtonBot and the last edit was 00:53, 2007 June 24! Am I missing something?--Thuvack | talk | Blog 14:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiversity community blog

I've just set up this page (Wikiversity community blog) to discuss a possible communal blog (either an aggregator of posts, or one which would be edited directly). Pending the RSS funcionality (above), does that take care of the aggregation side of things - thereby making much of this proposal redundant? Or is there still some merit or scope in the idea? Cormaggio talk 10:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MobilizeThis2008 on 22 - 24th October 2008


- >ps. let your network know....perhaps we could host some other discussion that would mesh positive practical ideas together.
This user is hoping for some more presenters at MobilizeThis2008 on 22 - 24th October 2008. It's mainly online with many cross-sectorial voices on positive applications of ICT's. Presenters information document will be sent out around the 1st of October. But careful: I just asked about what kind of topic would be looked for and got nailed down already to one :-) I hope we can use e.g. Cormac's demo. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 12:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC

  • Your theme
  • Your platform presentation of choice
  • Your timing
  • Our collective audience

Please make comment at MobilizeThis2008 blogand introduce yourself. We are keen to hear ( and have Presenters from ) from those in the Wikiversity community who are finding positive practical applications of wiki use in education and related industries...and who's use of networked online space bring about proactive change in education settings.--alexanderhayes 12:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this, Erkan - and feel free to use my demo, and any other resources I may have uploaded (I need to be much more systematic about this...). Also, out of interest, what topic were you nailed down to - in order to avoid others talking about the same topic? Cormaggio talk 10:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
see here (what was done and I even can't edit the page - it is protected :-)), ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about activating WikiTimeLine extension on Wikiversity

Activating the WikiTimeLine extension on wikiversity would be a good idea I think. Its the, kind of, interactive and real-time version of easytimeline. Controlled by the reader of the article instead by the writer. You add tags to an article, if the reader clicks on such a link, an event will be added to the timeline. You can add the events you want (and so create an individual timeline), zoom in/out and move around. See the live example and more information here (just click on a few of the links at the "Examples" section) and the MediaWiki page here. Its like a mix out of WikiTimeScale and the Simile Timeline. The interface is in JavaScript, so there's no heavy load put on the server since nearly everything runs client-side. Thus it can be used by heavy traffic wikis (like the wikimedia foundation wikis) too. The guys at bugzilla told me we would need to be interested here first and afterwards the admins of wikiversity could go to bugzilla/the developers of mediawiki and request the activation of the extension. Any interest? ColdCase 12:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

further info, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 15:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

General observations

Is there anywhere to make general observation about Wikiversity. Not about the material but about the organisation of the material. As an extreme novice I am somewhat reluctant to expose myself to the combined erudition on display here but, by the same token, I feel that a novice eye might see things that are obscured by familiarity to others. --TheresaWilson 23:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Theresa, I recently heard a CEO interviewed and he described that he makes a conscious point of getting around to all new employees within the first three days of their employment to ask them about their initial observations of the company. Why? Because fresh eyes see so many things that less fresh eyes can no longer see. Please, feel free to share - here is as good a place as any - and we would value your observations :) -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC) -[reply]
Thanks, Jtn. Here goes - it does feel a little over the top though , now that I've thought about it:
(Operating on the premise that a University is ultimately there for the benefit of the Students)
The category listings need to be tightened up. I looked at the History portal (a subject in which I have no interest) and found that categories were repeated (Europe, European History [Apparently exists twice] and History of Germany existing separately). There are no doubt Historical (sorry) reasons for this but a new student will have to search unnecessarily through a rather tangled web. I've got a screen grab available which demonstrates this point)
Should instructions to contributors be on the actual pages of content?
There is only one discussion (talk) page for each project page - as time goes on, this means that "Staff" comments and "Student" queries will be confusingly intermingled.
The purpose of a University is to impart learning (?), so there should not be artificial barriers to finding the content. TheresaWilson 00:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much for this Theresa - I'd just like to reiterate what James said in that we really need and value critique from fresh eyes (as well as more seasoned ones!) - and in no way do I see this as "over the top". :-) Much work needs to be done on our structure, and its been debated at long length as to how best to allow for the finding and developing of resources. But there's another dynamic at play here - and that is that we're very much engaged in the exploration of what Wikiversity means in the world of learning - how to provide for engaging experiences, and what we need to take from different models of learning (including new ones) to do so. So the separation of "student/learner" and "staff/teacher" is something that is often deliberately blurred in order to emphasise that we're all learners here, and that learners have agency in shaping learning resources and spaces. However, this said, some people are creating resources which stick very much to student/teacher roles - so it very much depends on your educational outlook as to what kind of space you want to create. (Think of Wikiversity as a blank canvas in which to paint your educational vision.) Imparting learning is one model - learning by doing and collective learning are others. A big part of Wikiversity's initial phase (and we're still at its beginning) is figuring out what models and what structures provide for what kinds of learning - and how these can be facilitated, and to what extent, in a wiki. But please don't let me confuse you :-) - just take it that if you can see a way in which learning can be improved through a particular structure (whether cleaning up categories, creating page templates, or developing a model for interaction), be bold and help shape it in your own vision (while of course respecting other people's visions too). Cormaggio talk 09:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also a big thank you (in German) from me for your feedback (see also: Wikiversity:Feedback in the future).
fixed: European History [Apparently exists twice]
"so there should not be artificial barriers to finding the content."
I have a question to you - as a newcomer would you have been able to fix this ? I am asking because it may be a real problem. Other barriers we need to overcome in the future - content accessibility for e.g. blind people :-(
"only one discussion (talk) page": this can be fixed by e.g. creating on the first talk page separate links to other pages for different groups.
"Should instructions to contributors be on the actual pages of content?"
that depends how people want it: some like it so, some so.
I assume now you seem to see WV as a university like institution/place ? Probably because of the "versity". I think I also was first attracted to WV by this :-) There are many roles you can have here at Wikiversity (e.g. Wikiversity:Wikiversity teachers). As Cormac says we all share the hunger for learning and wait for you to help us build WV. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not ignoring you Erkan - thinking. Back in a short time, Wiedersehen. TheresaWilson 20:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Answer when you feel like it: I remember what once I got told: do here at WV what you like.
btw: if you need any help with something at WV, please shoot your questions anytime. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 20:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Question of Identity.

Who are you?

→ What are the different ways in which one can answer the question "who am I"? How can one answer this question other than with a name? Remember when attempting to answer that a personal description of qualities answers more the question "what am I". To answer the question is it unavoidable to involve other questions; is this question valid; is the answer a record of deeds or personality-- what purpose does identity serve? What can we gain from answering this question; if better understanding is possible, how are this understanding useful?

I would like to know... who are you?

99.179.102.74 00:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC) ...?[reply]

As you indicate there are many many ways (should I say infinite?) to answer "Who are you?" (even with untrue/not verifyable/not understandable information, ... not answering also provides info to you), so I interpret this "you" as a question to me and not to WV (more info about WV at Help:Contents):
I am someone taking the time to read what you wrote
I am someone who has a mother and father
I am someone writing here something what you then perhaps read
I am someone who has 2 arms
I am someone motivating you to contribute to the learning resource Who are you?
I am someone who breathes
I am someone annoying others and losing time with this text
I am someone who may continue later on here
I am someone who may not continue later on here
I am
These characteristics above I can share with one or more persons on this earth.
What I gain from answering this ? I believe - on short term - your question helped me to think more. About what ? me ? others? useful/unuseful things ? useful/unuseful for whom ? other things I don't know yet ? Sorry, if I didn't answer all your questions.
May I ask: Who you are and why you are interested in this question ?
You can answer this on your userpage if you like - after registering. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You may also be interested in these lecture notes on Social self - it offers a 'social' perspective on the self, i.e., that the self is at least partly a function of our social environments, groups, etc. i.e., a social identity. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 11:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Weekly - Interesting interview...

Courtesy of Wikipedia Weekly, Wikimania, and Cormaggio... [3] Emesee 21:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thanks, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:54, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - I downloaded, but haven't listened yet. I'm looking for a new audioplayer - one that can handle .ogg so I can listen in the car. Suggestions? Are there any other Wikiversitarians at Wikimania 2008? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 09:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe Openmoko... but it is a bit more than just an audio player, and could be a pain to make work. There are others if you search Amazon it seems. Some of the smalle iriver's seem like they might be decent. And I was not at Wikimania. Were you? Emesee 09:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
JT, try http://www.rockbox.org/ - it will run on many portable devices. Countrymike 22:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can vouch for iriver, they're really nice, good battery life, and play OGGs natively. --pfctdayelise 12:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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