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--Hillgentleman|Talk 16:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

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• Comment: Hillgentleman, I find the revert you did on Anynobody's edits to the Welcome template a bit strange - it hasn't been around for a "long time", and think we should be completely open to a few bold edits. However, I can't say I fully understand the edits, so maybe you were justified. Thanks. (Not sure if I'm using this "comments" format right either - I have to say, it's a bit intimidating.) Cormaggio ^talk 09:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

--Cormaggio ^talk 09:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] The usage of <i n c ludeonly>Subst:</i n c ludeonly> has been around for a long time. It was there before I joined here.

[edit] This system is of course experimental. Thanks. Here is an easier version,

[edit] And yes, blocking my account for two months would be helpful. I wondered here again.

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Hi Hillgentleman - do you think you can follow up with your comment here about subpages in the template namespace? Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with these bug reporting things...if you get an opportunity, could you take a look into this? BTW, it's nice to see you around :-) --HappyCamper 23:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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• Comment: Your edits on study guide: mathematical mesoscopic physics

Thank you 'Hillgentleman', for your efforts. However, you seemed to change the structure by introducing a lot of links to sub-pages. This is not how it was intended to be, so I undid your changes in this regard (sorry for the work you invested into that...). I moved your Lie group definition to the glossary, where the defined terms should go (as explained in the text). I hope you understand. The point is to have a long list of brief definitions, just the way you did it for Lie group, and to list them all alphabetically in the glossary.

--FlorianMarquardt 16:02, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] I have replied on the said page.

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• Comments: "trying to censor wikiversity" <-- I realize that people do not like to have the term "censor" applied to themselves or their actions. Maybe I just need a better vocabulary. Maybe someone could suggest better terminology. I suspect that many people feel the very existence of Wikiversity has been threatened by Jimbo. In this climate of fear and intimidation most people who care about Wikiversity remain silent or try to avoid using terms such as "censorship"....I suppose the hope is that if we are all quiet then more wrath will not pour down upon us. "thinly veiled accusations" <-- Jimbo has placed some topics off limits for community discussion and there are many other wiki editors who like that approach. I've lived through the entire history of the development of a collection of ways to silence people at Wikipedia. Those methods are now being used at Wikiversity. The general approach is that certain topics are declared to be unwelcome and anyone who dares to raise those topics can then be accused of incivility or disruption, and if they don't get the hint and conform, they feel the weight of the mighty ban hammer. "be brief" <-- I never intentionally post off-topic comments. I do believe that the human brain is a connection machine, so I let my brain bring into discussions related topics. "keeping your comments brief and to the point is a kind of respect" <-- I assure you that I understand what you are saying, but let me use an analogy to explain what is going on when I post longish comments. Think of me as a witness to a lynching. Most people just turn away from the ugliness of the situation and get on with their lives. However, I am not only disgusted by the original crime but also by the fact that the perpetrators of the crime go unpunished and the crime will certainly be repeated again in the future. I now have to balance the good advice "be brief" with the need to say, "but wait, this is not business as usual". I know that my actions (calling attention to a problem that people would rather ignore) will be unpopular and that I am therefor likely to be the next lynching victim, and I take no joy in playing this role, but my conscious does not allow me to remain silent. --User:JWSchmidt 18:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

--68.109.175.242 18:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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If you need robotic or regex help, just shout. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 16:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC) Hi! I'm welcome to any ideas! Thank you in advance. --Cgnk 23:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

--Cgnk 23:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Sure.

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• Comments: Hi there. Thanks for the warm welcome.

-- Until It Sleeps 04:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] You are welcome!

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Thank you for the link. --Thewinster 12:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)http://upload.wikimedia.org/skins/common/images/button_sig.png

[edit] Threaded Discussions.

Hello! This is in reference to the message you had left me on my talk page. Definitely I am interested in ThreadNav. By reading it though, all that I have come to know about the project are vague idea of this as a "precursor trace" or a "textbox within pages" etc. Can you direct me to a place where a more basic version of this is in under operation. i could work on a Laymen's introduction to the project if I understand it myself.

At the same time, can you visit this page: - http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:The_Highschool_Help_Forum_-_Science_Stream ?

I want to incorporate some features in the Forum for which I require some help. Wonder if you could help.

Thanks!

--The Winster ^talk 16:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Here you are: Threaded discussions with NavFrames/Simple demonstration. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 02:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The key is that you generate a page with a link which would generate the next page, and so on. The key two lines of codes

*reply[{{fullurl:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>BASEPAGENAME}}/{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONTIMESTAMP}}|action=edit&preload=project:Threaded_discussions_with_NavFrames_with_subst/preload&section=new}}]
{{{{{subst|}}}{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>BASEPAGENAME}}/{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONTIMESTAMP}}|subst={{{subst|}}}}}

do that. The Nav boxes are just for display. You can try to put the two lines of codes above on a subpage of your talk page, e.g. user talk:thewinster/preload, and play with it. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 02:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Page creation / preload

Thanks. I figured it out later. Ofcourse, replying with a preload is the idea. But for a forum with threads, we require a way to create new pages - and those pages should be named what the user wants them to [Compare this with writing the topic name in a typical phpBB forum.] There is one topic regarding creation of new resources which I have seen. It is a textbox which creates pages.

Here is the code,

{|align=left width=60%
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 <inputbox>
 type=create
 preload=Template:LearningResource
 buttonlabel=Create Learning Resource
 width=25
 </inputbox>
 |}

I was unable to display the code witrhout execution. However the source has the code anyways. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Is there anyway by which I can use the input and feed the value in a variable so that in the preload section, I can have a topic creation template like

{{{Basepage}}}/{{{Input}}}

I searched around on wikiversity using google and normal page to page linking - none was useful. I thought pestering you would be better rather than pushing my ignorance. I guess the key to this lie here type=create. If the type can be changed to the scanf function of C, we might be one more step ahead.

Thanks!

--The Winster ^talk 07:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

• "use the input and feed the value in a variable so that in the preload section, I can have a topic creation template like {{{Basepage}}}/{{{Input}}}" - What is a topic creation template - can you provide an example? And I am not sure what "{{{Basepage}}}/{{{Input}}}" stand for. But the following may be what you are after:

{|align=left width=60%
 |
 <inputbox>
 type=create
 preload=Template:LearningResource
 buttonlabel=Create Learning Resource
 default = {{NAMESPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/
 width=25
 </inputbox>
 |}

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Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 09:29, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. It is somewhat like that. What this textbox does is create a page with the name input by the user. However, to tell the user that we want the page to be created under the basepage (Your talk page in this case) we have a default value given to the textbox. But I am unsure whether we can expect Jr. High and other teens to comply with all this. The wiki page creation procedure is a little different than WYSIWYG editors et al. and that is exactly the reason why we have the textbox. To Simplify. Why complicate it then? Why not take the input of a pagename from the user and then append that to

{{NAMESPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/

so that without telling/depending on anyone we have a page created under a specified basepage.

--The Winster ^talk 11:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, That is not the way it works. (You may consider the MediaWiki engine basic and "low-tech" in this sense.) It would be great if there were one function which combines a page creation box and the page creation link http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=YOUR_TITLE&action=edit&autosummary=YOUR_SUMMARY$preload=YOUR_PRELOAD_PAGE&editintro=YOUR_EDITINTRO_PAGE, but right now we can only use what we have. For reference, see meta:help:inputbox. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 11:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

One thing you can do is to make the buttonlabel a better hint, like Create a resource subpage. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 11:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] An alternate method of starting threads

We have discussed above the possibilities of using the textbox as a page creation tool. Making the users append their topic names to the default value inside the textbox is one option.

There is another option. It is albeit, a little more chaotic. We can let the users create a base page for every discussion that they want to do. The preload statement can be used to designate a template to the page so that it is known that the particular page is a part of another project. What is the feasibility of this?

--The Winster ^talk 05:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Page creation is not a problem. But if you want threads, you need forward and backward linking. How do you plan to do that? Note also that you can only change one page every time you press the save button. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Preload templates and the DPL assisted forum watchlist template -

{{Project watchlist-dpl|
| watched category 1 = Stubs
| watched category 2 = Science
| watched category 3 = Freshly started resources
}}

• Backward linking would be made possible by the other preload templates, which will automatically include a link to the parent forum. Forward linking and branching would be done by the above watchlist. The category addition template can be used to maintain an exhaustive list of topics, unlike the watchlist which shows only the recent edits.
• So, again, the question is, whether the custodians will like the stray pages marked with templates or not? ofcourse pages like wikiversitydotord/wiki/Help me on quadratic equations plz! are not aesthetically cool per se.

--The Winster ^talk 06:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

• Great! Why don't you try it out and see how it goes? As we say, wikiversity is for learning by doing. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 06:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

OK. But then again, are the stray pages allowed? --The Winster ^talk 06:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, especially if you are doing genuine work. Wiki has unlimited space. In the unlikely situation when somebody has a problem with your test pages, they can run a script (e.g. m:delete.py) to delete them. You may put (most) of your test pages in a category (category:test pages?) to make it even easier. So don't worry about it. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 06:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

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I have clicked on adding a new reply to the page. It will create a new section in the page with the 2007 section. But what is gonna be it's final appearance? --Dharav ^talk 09:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] A click creates a new section of the subpage, with the timestamp of the previous comment as subpagename

[edit] You may reply on your own talk page. I can read it on mine.

[edit] Bouncing over my head...

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Just checking the hierarchy of the messages. Thank you. --Dharav ^talk 14:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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I have posted this message earlier, but I assume you did not get to read it or the new messages alarm did not come on the Talk Page. I am a little stuck with the ThreadNav setting up, primarily because of Magicwords and pasting codes from a lot of sources. Can you help me by setting up the primitive code on http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:Thewinster/Sandbox/Forum-Watch? That would be a lot of help. Thank You :)

--Dharav ^talk 13:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] let me try - just give me some time

[edit] How is it now?

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Hi! I saw that you've made some edits to the Wikiversity:Mentors page a while back. I've been working on bringing the Mentorship program up to the next level. I'm hoping to model it, to a certain extent, on the Learning4Content program over at WikiEducator. I would appreciate your feedback.

--AFriedman 17:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] R

Hi Hillgentleman, Unfortunately my expertise with R is almost 0 :( - although I hope to learn. Maybe try one of the R support groups/fora?

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Jtneill - Talk - c 05:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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Please check Wikiversity:Project_incubator for an update on HHF --Dharav ^talk 11:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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