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Supporting OCLC on references

Having an OCLC field in a reference is really neat because it enables the reader to link to World Cat and find the nearest library with a copy. However it doesn't appear to work on WV. I sthis because I am doing someting wrong, or is it not supported? Leutha (discusscontribs) 09:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Can you provide an example of where it works (Wikipedia preferred) and an example of where it doesn't (here)? My guess is that they have a more recent template that supports it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Actually that is what I have been thinking. See W:en:Kavbiuro and scroll down to the Audrey L. Altstadt reference. Click on OCLC and you getvthe Wikipedia page about OCLC, but click on the number afterwards, and you get the World cat entry for the book. Put in your location and you can find the nearest participating library which has a copy! (which I think is really neat). I want to do the same on WV. Leutha (discusscontribs) 22:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
I've looked at the templates and underlying Lua modules on Wikipedia and I'm not seeing OCLC processing anywhere. It may be in the underlying wiki instead. Does anyone know who to contact or where to ask about this? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:45, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, I found this: Template:OCLC and three other associated templates. I shall a go at transcluding them. Leutha (discusscontribs) 21:34, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Update: Well they have already been transcluded. I wandered around WP a bit more and found this: W:en:Module:Citation and W:en:Module:Citation/CS1 which is part of Lua and includes OCLC stuff. Does Lua work on WV? Would transcluding this material work, or is other work required? Leutha (discusscontribs) 22:08, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Lua works on Wikiversity. I've experimented a bit with it. Probably just enough to be dangerous. The main thing to know for those who don't yet is that Lua templates are two parts. There's a standard template file that invokes the Lua code, and the Lua code is stored in a separate module. However, it's rarely a single (or pair) import. Almost all of the Lua code I've seen from Wikipedia calls other Lua code, so you have multiple modules to identify and import. Troubleshooting requires requesting a page that calls the code and then looking at the resulting page source code for error messages in the HTML comments. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Good. I checked Introduction to Lua, and a learnt a little bit but would be interested if we could get a study group to upskill on this, developing resources as we went. Anyone else interested? Leutha (discusscontribs) 17:11, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm in. User:Renepick may also be interested. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm also in. I am currently planning to redo this template using lua and be able to create better lesson overviews. The goal would be to create lesson overviews like this one and be able to parse the content inside the lesson template using lua so that one does not have to do all the cross linking and entering of subpages twice.--Renepick (discusscontribs) 08:46, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Sounds great! I am impressed by the Web Science course. I found Topic:Lua. Do we want to start a discussion on the talk page there? (P.S. I have somewhat clumisily wandered into Mediawiki Mark up language, primarily tweaking a cut and paste job with uneven success, so I am approaching the topic from a position of comparative ignorance!)Leutha (discusscontribs) 16:40, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Yes, further discussion of Lua study will proceed at Topic:Lua. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:20, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Import text in CC-BY-SA and IYCr2014

I found on the Web lessons about crystallography (https://sites.google.com/site/cristallografia/appunti) released with CC-BY-SA 3.0 license. Is possible to import them in Wikiversity? How is better to report credits? I would also like to report that UNESCO proclaimed the "International Year of Crystallography 2014" (http://www.unesco.org/new/en/natural-sciences/science-technology/basic-sciences/infocus-bes/international-year-of-crystallography-2014/). It can be an important opportunity for Wikiversity to contribute in an international initiative, spreading the scientific knowledge, in particular about crystallography. (Please excuse my English; English isn't my first language)--Sbisolo (discusscontribs) 10:35, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not an attorney, but as far as I know it is legal to take CC-BY-SA content and post it on another CC-BY-SA site. It isn't possible to 'import' this content through an automated process, but someone could translate and post it, preferably under Crystallography. It should be attributed to whomever it is currently attributed to in order to preserve the -BY- licensing, probably with <ref> tags and one of the cite templates. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:20, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Attribute the year, the license, and that it was taken from the website on the talk-page for material allowed by compatible licenses. The work should be translated into English, or you can use the proper language wiki. (one way is to have a subpage with the translation only, then have a link from the mainpage) I will try to find a useful template. Is IYCr2014 the name of the website? If not can you please clarify. unesco's information is also a good resource to use here, it just can't be copied or paraphrased. - Sidelight12 Talk 01:06, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I believe attribution would be necessary on the content page in addition to or in place of the talk page. When articles are collected and printed as books, the talk page is not included. Without attribution on the content page, copies of the material could be further disseminated with no attribution to the original author(s). This would violate the -BY- clause. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:41, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Ok. template:taken from for main-page needs work. template:copied is a talkpage template that was imported (can be used for wiki-projects and external websites). - Sidelight12 Talk 02:28, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Thansk for your suggestions. IYCr2014 stands for "International Year of Crystallography 2014". http://iycr2014.org/ is a website dedicated to this event. I'll manage for bring contents of https://sites.google.com/site/cristallografia/appunti in italian wikiversity with correct attributions in mainpage. --Sbisolo (discusscontribs) 09:08, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Shortcuts for inter-Wiki links and transcluding from Wikipedia?

I want a quick way to set default links for pages within my course. I am putting all resources in my course in the format Classical Mythology/Resource and in addition I cite a lot of Wikipedia resources and templates, so my links all look like this:

[[Classical Mythology/Euhemerism|Euhemerism]]
[[w:Zeus|Zeus]]


Typing in all the extras is really slowing me down.

Is there a way to make links such as [[LinkTitle]] automatically check for resources in this order?

If there was a template that I could add on a page or resource to make it look for links using those rules, it would make course creation so much easier! Apologies if this is already easy to do--I can't figure out how!

Also, is there a way to transclude or use pages or templates in Wikipedia? I really want to use the Wikipedia Infobox:Deity template, but I can't figure out how to do it. If I copy it using brute force, I'd really like all the links in it to go to Wikipedia automatically.

Thanks for your help! --Kenmayer (discusscontribs) 17:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

It can't be done automatically, but it can be done with a template. There is one that checks Wikiversity first and then goes to Wikipedia. See {{Lw}}. To make a template that checks both Wikiversity locations before going to Wikipedia would take a bit more work. I'd recommend rewriting it in Lua code rather than traditional template code. I could try to help with this if others would also find it useful. Keep in mind that you can reference subpages with just a /subpage. It isn't necessary to include the page name first.
I'm not aware of any way to use Wikipedia templates without importing them. I tried importing the Template:Infobox deity, but it's showing a script error. Apparently there's a good bit more that needs to be imported. After that, it will need to be edited to redirect the links. This is looking like a lot of work.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I created Template:Lsw and a supporting Module:Link. Lsw should do what you want in terms of linking to subpages, other Wikiversity articles, or Wikipedia as a last resort. Test it thoroughly. It should work, but it is all new code. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

JFTR, the following shortcuts are available:
[[/subpage/]]
for [[page/subpage|subpage]];
[[w:page|]]
for [[w:page|page]]
(which is also the same as [[w:Page|page]], BTW.)
Ivan Shmakov (dc) 21:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Location Map

Hi, Why does this:

{{Location map | Belgium
| width   = 200
| lat_deg = 50.85
| lon_deg = 4.35
| label   = Brussels
}}


gives an error in the wikiversity sandbox, but not when you edit a wikipedia page? --78.21.252.160 (discuss) 18:33, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

It utilises a template W:en:Template:Location map which exists on Wikipedia, but not Wikiversity. The situation is more complicated than simply moving one template over, as it is linked to a whole series of others - e.g. W:en:Template:Location map Belgium. No doubt someone with the right skills could devise a bot to transfer all the maps over, but I do not know who that person might be? Leutha (discusscontribs) 21:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm attempting to import depended on templates for it to work. - Sidelight12 Talk 23:19, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Imported many supporting templates. If the templates break again, this is the message for debuging, "Import failed: Can't save non-default content model with \$wgContentHandlerUseDB disabled: model is wikitext , default for Module:Collapsible_list is Scribunto" - Sidelight12 Talk 23:26, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

How come interaction has been so slow with such a great idea?

Wikyversity has been used since 2007 and I haven't found content, please explain. --GLORIA (discusscontribs) 04:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

May I suggest you try the Wikiversity:Main Page. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 17:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
perhaps this may help explain a bit of it: Talk:Rebooting_Wikiversity#reasons, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + Identi.ca 11:17, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

May i have permission to upload video in my article armis that video is came from youtube. thanks in advance

here is my article with video To watch the video of some very interesting officially named set-ups:

--BTV3 (discusscontribs) 06:22, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I'm kindly asking how procurement process of permission i need in my article "Armis"? Kindly reply thanks. --BTV3 (discusscontribs) 07:40, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

• We tried to answer your question, above. If the video was made by you, and you convert it to .ogv instead of .wmv or .mp4 format, and you agree to release your terms to opensource, you may use it here. From what I read, Youtube said that the copyright belonged to you, so I don't think they restrict you from using your own work for other sites such as this.
• Simply put, convert the video that is your property to .ogv format and you may use it, without further permission. The video becomes public property once you post it here, but you still can make use of it. Read the links from the responses above for more detail. - Sidelight12 Talk 13:55, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

What is Wikiversity?

Recent posts to the Colloquium regarding What is Wikiversity? appear to be a class project on editing a wiki. Please let us know what class or what project is working on this. We'd be happy to set up a page for your project. You can also test posts in the Wikiversity:Sandbox. The Colloquium should not be used for these test posts. The previous posts have been removed. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you should notify them, or just create a project for them using the information they have been inserting here. --goldenburg111 (talk) 22:27, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Those who used a logged-in account were notified at the same time as the original posts were removed. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:14, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
So there suppose to get the message, right? Okay, so that pretty much explains why don"t have random info about What is Wikiversity :-) --goldenburg111 (talk) 16:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Child Vandals

Abd stated I sometimes wonder if we might reduce general vandalism on Wikipedia by inviting possible child-vandals -- basically scribblers -- to come and register here and create fun essays in their user space. Why don't we do that? It's a very brilliant idea! --goldenburg111 (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I obviously can't do this myself on Wikipedia, but others could. Watch for vandals and drop a note on their talk page. First, create a resource here that makes the invitation. It should give specific instructions. Then link to that resource on Wikipedia, where a child might see it. Remember, many vandals may not be interested, and they may never see the invitation, but it costs little to invite. The main thing we need is a welcoming environment here. Basically, if they do come here. we need to know how to handle the problems that can arise.
It won't always work, but we have one great example of where it did!
There was a discussion of this on Simple English Wikipedia: Very young users. In that discussion we can see how one or two "regular editors" really didn't get it -- including a steward. All they could see from the specific young user was a "puppet master" and a problem, i.e., I should contact the school and get them to make him stop.
(The steward was seeing multiple accounts from the same IP, and quite possibly the same computer. Some of these were alternate accounts for the same user, some may have been different users of the same classroom computer. The steward/checkuser is totally accustomed to a very different situation. If you hammer nails all day, everything starts to look like a nail.) In general, Wikipedians are not skilled at developing voluntary cooperation, it's a major problem with the project. Thus w:WP:RBI, designed to deal with much older users. However, applying this to young users, the stick without the carrot, will just train them to play the "cops and robbers" game that Wikipedians imagine is behind all vandalism. It's totally naive, and it obviously doesn't work. How much vandalism could be avoided by a different approach, I don't know. Some, I'm sure.
We didn't need to make this user stop, by trying to get him in trouble with his school. We simply needed to educate him, and that's our mission: education. Wikipedians are focused on product, not the process. Someone who isn't ready to create product is useless to them, a nuisance. Lock the doors. Keep them out.
While he's still very young and still has a lot to learn, I'm roughly six or seven times his age, and I still have a lot to learn. I'm proud of him. --Abd (discusscontribs) 00:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Hmmmm.... --goldenburg111 (talk) 01:00, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Writing Equations in Wikis: style proposal

In traditional textbooks, equations are introduced with a sentence before, such as saying that the equation for the magnetic field is,

$\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \int_C \frac{I \left ( \mathrm{d} \vec{\ell} \times \hat{r} \right )}{\left | \vec{r} \,\right |^2}$     (3)

where , B is the magnetic field and I is the current. Note the practice of following the equation with words to define the symbols. On a wiki, I think we should instead precede each equation with one sentence that describes the variables BEFORE the equation is presented. Moreover, I suggest that the equation should follow on the same line. So instead, we write like this:

The magnetic field due to a current is: $\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \int_C \frac{I \left ( \mathrm{d} \vec{\ell} \times \hat{r} \right )}{\left | \vec{r} \,\right |^2}$

Books need equation numbers in order to reference them in the future. With a wiki, we can attempt to write the page in sections and make a new section section heading if it is likely that the equation needs to be referenced in the future. This will permit anchors [[/filename#anchorname]] to be used. Another advantage of the ''Sentance: $...$'' format is that it makes equations easy to copy. We can recruit more experts to contribute to Wikiversity if we write in a style that makes it easy to copy and paste equations. Also, since equation numbers are not very wiki-friendly, authors will often choose to just copy and paste the equation instead of referencing it or attempting to write Latex markup. --guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 23:54, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't have a preference for defining the symbols before or after. It seems to me that either approach could work, depending on both the subject matter, and also the level of experience with similar content. But just the way my brain works, based on many decades of seeing formulas and equations, I would much prefer the formulas starting on the left by themselves. By putting them on the same line preceded by words, the location of the formulas will float. That float would make it harder for me to memorize and use the formulas. But I also don't normally create LaTeX content, so I would be willing to support whatever is agreeable to those who do. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:08, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I agree that the quick-n-dirty reverse notation looks amateurish and a bit hard to read. But is it hard to read because we are not accustomed to it? ...or because the brain needs to see formulas lined up? I personally would go nuts if I could not use it, so either people will get used to it, or somebody needs to convert them all. (Even Latex proper is a pain when it comes to formula numbers.) You and I seem to agree that this does not need to be resolved in the near future. And I remain convinced the reverse notation is the only way to go, unless either (1) wikitext markup changes, or (2) an 'army' of editors joins Wikiversity. IMHO, the way to attract this 'army' is to permit reverse notation in order to recruit more experts to help out. Thanks for giving this your thought. I cannot overstate my gratitude to you and everybody else who is keeping Wikiversity alive. --guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 18:16, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Having the content is better than not having the content. Do whatever works for you. Then see how your students do with what you've prepared. Late in the semester, ask them if they have any recommendations for improving the content for future students. That's how you know if it works or not, and if you need to make any changes. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

The magnetic field due to a current is:

$\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \int_C \frac{I \left ( \mathrm{d} \vec{\ell} \times \hat{r} \right )}{\left | \vec{r} \,\right |^2}$

- Sidelight12 Talk 10:17, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

In looking at this, I think there's one more reason to left-align the formula. You don't know and have no control over the screen size of the display used to view this content. It could even be a cell phone. Left-aligning the formula gives the most consistent presentation across display platforms. So I would recommend displaying as Sidelight12 has, with explanations before or after, as determined by the author and subject matter. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
A couple of comments. First, I have a bad habit of getting carried away with ideas and overstating my case. After posting the suggestion favoring 'right-alignment', I went back to an effort at Statistical_thermodynamics and immediately realized that the conventional (left-alignment) style is correct for that page. However, I still claim that right-alignment can play an important role:
1. On a test, instructors like to give students certain information and expect students to derive other formulas using methods introduced in the class. This information can be printed as a pdf file, and the formulas should be presented as precisely as possible. If you open Physics_equations/Equations, you will see that the raw wikitext is easy to read and edit. Instructors will invaribly want to edit these formula sheets. In fact, I got involved with Physics Equations because I wanted a good formula sheet for my exams. There are plenty of good ones posted on the internet, but none are easily editable.
2. People with cell phones can see the equation on the next line, as you can verify by reducing the page size of Physics_equations/Equations on your computer. The equations just roll over to the next line.
3. I still think a concerted effort needs to be made to make equation-filled wikis easy to write. There are a number of excellent non-wiki resources on the web for instructors who wish to save students a lot of money by using a free resource. Unfortunately, none of quality on-line resources are wikis. I get the impression from reading the introductions to some of these non-wiki resources that the authors would have been happy to write wikis -- they have that 'wikiworld spirit' that we all share. My goal is to get a physics wiki that others will want to improve. The discussion we are having is essential, and must continue. The suggestion that I solicit feedback from students is correct. --guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 16:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Reviewing of an individual's contributions

I believe that it is a good idea to open up a Wikiversity:Requests for Review so that a contributor here at Wikiversity can ask the public "Are my contributions appropriate for Wikiversity" instead of asking a custodian. --goldenburg111 (talk) 01:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Would this proposal be similar to Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Editor review, or do you have something else in mind? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Precisly, the user can first Request by adding == Example and request by typing their message, such as Hi guys, I want to know if my edits are good. I usually edit pages related to Astronomy., after about a few hours. People can ask the requester questions about his editing, then, after the requester answers the questions. People can start commenting about his/her edits. --goldenburg111 (talk) 17:01, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
If this is something that interests you, you should create the page and write up the proposal. Be sure to also see Wikiversity:Peer review and Wikiversity:Requests for proofreading. It seems to me that your proposal may be quite similar in concept to requests for proofreading, perhaps with different types of feedback desired. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

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Equations not working

I am getting errors when I try to write equations. For example, this is copied out of code that I wrote in the past and it works:

$C_\odot = \,2\pi r$

Now I change the 2 to a 4 and it fails:

$C_\odot = \,4\pi r$

I assume there is a bug in your Tex software. --guyvan52 (discusscontribs) 14:37, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

There are other issues going on as well. See Wikiversity:Request_custodian_action#Navigation_and_Archive_box_Templates_Broken. Not sure if they are related. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:50, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
I was just looking at the post and noticed the second entry now displays correctly. Does anyone know what changed today to resolve this problem? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't know. Usually when a module is imported along with templates it causes some fundamental difference. I haven't imported any template in the last few days. Also, Czech appears normally when not logged in, but it shows up as "undefined" when logged in. - Sidelight12 Talk 10:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Ongoing Vandalism Phanerozoic/Pennsylvanian Period

I suggest Semi-Protecting Phanerozoic/Pennsylvanian Period, this page has been getting excessive vandalism by IP addresses. What do you guys think? --goldenburg111 (talk) 21:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

You should probably post requests like this at Wikiversity: Request custodian action. I took a look at the page and history, cleaned up the page content, and blocked a repeat offender IP address. There's nothing about the page itself that suggests it's a target for vandals to me, but it's now on my watch list. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)