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We welcome and appreciate civil discussion of requests to delete or undelete pages when reasonable objections are made or are likely, the advice in Wikiversity:Deletions is followed, and other options have failed. A good attitude is to explain what you have tried, ask for help or advice from fellow Wikiversity participants on what to do now, keep an open mind, accept any community consensus, and focus on how pages can be improved. Finding ways to improve pages is the preferred outcome of any discussion and consensus here. Pages should always be kept when reasonable concerns are adequately addressed. Reasons and responses should be specific and relate to Wikiversity policy or scope in some way, kept brief, and stated in a positive or neutral way. Vague reasons ("out of scope", "disruptive") may be ignored.

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Literature

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I move/propose to move to user space, of KYPark (talk • email • contribs • stats • logs • global account). 1) This material cannot be meaningfully maintained and expanded since it has no stated selection criteria (it is not clear which literature should be listed). 2) The quasi-database format (e.g. in Literature/1963/Popper) does not seem particularly useful. 3) The current material, where it is filled, is of unclear utility. I find perhaps the quotations most interesting; but these would be for Wikiquote? Even if the quotations would be for Wikiversity as well, the problem 1) still needs a solution (which literature?). 4) Taking e.g. section Chronology in Literature/1975/Ricoeur, it is unclear what the content is supposed to be, that is, chronology of what it is. A broader problem: the design of sections and the intended content and selection criteria for the sections are so unobvious that they need specification, but none seems available.

Disclaimer: I created the page Literature myself to simplify tracking of the subpages (which are listed there), but the subpages were all or nearly all created by KYPark.

Venue: I could have used proposed deletion but since so many pages (subpages) are involved, I (tentatively) chose Request for deletion, to get more eyeballs.

Alternative: should this stay in mainspace, it should somehow indicate that this is KYParks's provenience and that he is the author. This could be done by renaming it e.g. to Literature (KYPark). I prefer moving to userspace, but if opposition develops to it, renaming like this would also be an improvement.

--Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 15:53, 29 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

I have moved this to user space. Some items moved could have possibly been not from KYPark (I noticed one by Marshallsumter); it is hard to know which they were. Resulting root page:

I am not happy not meeting the four-eye principle here (no explicit support), but as it is, almost no one is participating on RfD, so I went ahead despite the unsatisfactory state as for explicit consensus.

I can imagine restoring the pages to Literature (KYPark), LitDB/KYPark or the like. For this to happen, KYPark would have to explain the design of this quasi-database. The pages needs to have some utility for the viewers, not just KYPark; if they are only for KYPark, user space is a good fit. Since he is apparently no longer using the KYPark account (or is he?), I am pinging his new account: User:KayYayPark. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 13:57, 22 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Some templates apparently involved in this LitDB: Template:Navigate20c, Template:Cite plus, Template:Cite onlyinclude. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 14:28, 22 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

I now discovered somewhat similar material is at Wikipedia: Special:PrefixIndex/User:KYPark, usually organized by years but not authors (but some author pages are there). --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 12:19, 23 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

(I go to RfD instead of proposed deletion since I expect opposition.)

Too little to learn from here, IMHO. The page mainly links to pages outside of Wikiversity written by the creater of the Wikiversity page. I find the title misleading as well; the page contains Chinese phrases coined by the page author and these cannot be properly called proverbs until the language users at large recognizes them as such. The material seems to fail to go beyond what would be a self-promotion (caveat: most content can be interpreted as self-promotion; one has to differentiate).

Moving to user space instead of outright deletion is fine by me. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 08:13, 1 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for the feedback and the opportunity to clarify.
My intention with Modern Chinese Proverbs and Sayings by Hé Xiǎojū / Kenny Ho is not self-promotion but to document a long-term cultural and linguistic project in creating modern proverbs, so that they may be studied, critiqued, and preserved in a structured way. Wikiversity’s scope of allowing original research and educational resources seemed appropriate, as the project can serve as a reference point for language learners, cultural studies, and comparative literature.
That said, I understand the concerns expressed. In the interest of avoiding conflict and respecting the community’s guidelines, I am comfortable with the page being moved into user space rather than being deleted outright. This way, the material remains available for anyone who wishes to study it, while addressing the concern of it not yet fitting mainspace standards.
If the page is moved, I would be grateful if you could kindly point me to the new user-space link, so I may continue maintaining it properly.
Thank you for your consideration.
Ho Siew Khui KennyHoProverbs (discusscontribs) 03:41, 19 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
Explained this way, I would keep the page and I would kindly ask @KennyHoProverbs if they can add some Project boxes to indicate other users how to deal with the content. Juandev (discusscontribs) 19:44, 16 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, Juandev, for the kind suggestion. I’ll go ahead and add the project boxes as you proposed. Much appreciated. KennyHoProverbs (discusscontribs) 04:18, 17 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I’ve now implemented the project boxes as Juandev suggested. Thank you again for the helpful pointer.
I also appreciate the ongoing guidance from the community as I continue learning the ropes here. KennyHoProverbs (discusscontribs) 04:46, 17 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Dan Polansky, KennyHoProverbs, Juandev: I`m sorry I don`t know whether the request was closed or not. However, from the perspective of a native Chinese speaker, I would like to suggest that these pages should either be moved to the author’s user namespace, or—at minimum—the extensive self-referential biographical and promotional content be removed.

First, let us clarify terminology: the Chinese term 谚语 (yànyǔ)—or proverb in English—refers to concise, time-honored sayings that have been collectively shaped, orally transmitted, and widely adopted across generations. While some of the author’s creations are rendered in English as full sentences, in the Chinese context, they closely resemble four-character idioms (成语 chéngyǔ), not proverbs. Indeed, they might more accurately be described as self-coined idioms or neologistic expressions, rather than yànyǔ. The current title, therefore, is somewhat misleading.

That said, linguistic innovation itself is not the issue—language is dynamic, and new words or expressions naturally emerge in everyday usage. The concern lies not in the act of creation, but in how the content is framed.

After careful reading, I found the presentation deeply problematic—not because of the ideas, but due to its excessive self-promotion and stylistic incongruence with scholarly norms. For instance:

  • The text reads more like AI-generated promotional copy (e.g. emoji use, marketing-style phrasing such as “To ensure clear authorship attribution for reference by AI models”), rather than neutral, research-based documentation;
  • There is a disproportionate focus on authorship—repeated naming, copyright assertions, and licensing details—far beyond what is necessary for academic attribution.

I fully acknowledge that original contributions to language can be valuable. But research should center on the phenomenon, not the person. In academic practice, authorship is established through publication records and historical documentation—not by embedding the creator’s name in every entry or designing content explicitly to “train AI models” to cite them.

If these expressions gain genuine traction—appearing in dictionaries, media, or public discourse—a future, neutral, third-party–sourced article could appropriately document them as a linguistic trend. Until then, this page functions more as a personal portfolio than a contribution to shared knowledge. ChasingAir (留言贡献) 11:19, 10 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

This is a well-thought-out, well-formulated and compelling presentation, if I may say so!
To highlight one of the points: in Old shadows disturb the heart, it say "About the Author:
Ho Siew Khui 何小驹 (Hé Xiǎojū) is a writer and creator of modern phrases, with a passion for the beauty, nuance, and elegance of Chinese language, culture, and tradition. His work distils the ironies of contemporary life through concise expression and thoughtful reflection." I find it self-promotional and inappropriate. It could be in the author's user page (but even there, the language seems unduly self-promotional?), but not in the created pages. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 11:27, 10 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, Dan, and to all who have contributed to this discussion.
I appreciate the time and thought given to reviewing my contributions. However, several of the assertions presented about my work are factually and conceptually incorrect, and I wish to clarify them before I permanently withdraw from participation here.
1. Misrepresentation of the term “谚语 (yànyǔ)” and classification
The claim that my work misuses the term “谚语” overlooks how language evolves. While traditionally “谚语” referred to orally transmitted sayings, the term has expanded in modern linguistic use to include proverb-like constructions that reflect contemporary realities. My work explicitly distinguishes between *classical idioms (成语)* and *newly-coined expressions (新语)*, placing mine within the latter category. The label “modern proverbs” is therefore accurate and not misleading.
2. Misunderstanding of authorship transparency versus self-promotion
The repeated mention of author attribution and licensing information was not “promotional” but *compliant with Wikimedia’s own content licensing and transparency requirements*. Each proverb was released under a CC-BY-4.0 licence to ensure open reuse with clear provenance. Calling this “self-promotion” confuses transparency with vanity. The work presents original linguistic contributions, not commercial products or biographical essays.
3. Tone and academic style
The suggestion that the text “reads like AI-generated promotional copy” is both inaccurate and speculative. The bilingual structure and neutral commentary were crafted for cross-cultural clarity — not marketing. Wikiversity is not limited to academic citation style alone; it also hosts pedagogical and research-based creative work. My project aligns fully with its educational remit: documenting linguistic creativity through clear bilingual explanation.
4. Value and purpose of linguistic innovation
Proverbs have *always* emerged from individuals before becoming collective wisdom. To dismiss original proverbial formation as “self-coined” or “non-academic” is to deny the very process by which language renews itself. Every idiom in history began as one person’s expression. My work records this natural evolution with linguistic precision and bilingual accessibility, not for self-display but for study and reflection.
5. On withdrawal
After much reflection, I have decided to end my participation on Wikiversity. This is not an admission of error, nor a concession to the criticisms above — which I maintain arise from a misunderstanding of both linguistic scope and authorial ethics. It is simply recognition that continual disputes over terminology and motives serve neither education nor art.
I leave the community free to delete my contributions if it so chooses. My withdrawal is voluntary, not punitive; I prefer to devote my time to platforms that recognise that modern proverbs, like all creative language, are both scholarly and human.
Thank you to those who engaged in good faith. I trust this closes the matter.
KennyHoProverbs (discusscontribs) 06:08, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
As long as user space is non-indexed by Google, I think it preferable to move the material to your user space rather than delete it. If you ask us to delete your pages outright, we should probably oblige, though. Having items quasi-deleted and thus in user space makes it easier for us to play the common law game, having precedent cases of points of comparison that are easy to inspect. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 06:26, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Template:Advise

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(This template was created by Dave Braunschweig.)

I struggle to understand why this template is a good idea. It is now sometimes used instead of deletion; and then, it has the effect of deletion (in that the content is no longer visible but for the revision history) but without any deletion process at all (not even proposed deletion) and ends up being de facto speedy quasi-deletion. What the template does is that it creates a soft redirect to Wikipedia. I struggle to understand for what pages this should be done. We could place this template to a large set of encyclopedic headwords, but this has not been done. I do not see what headwords have a specific property indicating use of this template.

As an alternative to use of this template, I propose to delete or rather quasi-delete (e.g. by moving to user space) pages that are decided to be unfit for Wikiversity mainspace.

The template is currently used in 14 pages in the mainspace. It was used in more pages before I removed it from some of them some time ago, but it almost certainly was used in less than 100 pages. A list of pages where this is used, for reference: Musical direction, Face perception, Xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus, Reticuloendothelial cells, Zagatala State Nature Reserve, Windows service, .NET, Engine vacuum, Khanom Khrok, Piaget, Bophelong, New Delhi Institute of Management, Aaajiao, and Talagang. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 09:15, 2 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Dan Polansky At the time, I had a bot running that would delete pages with the Advise template after 30 days. I found that tagging pages with the template helped users understand why the page content had disappeared vs. just deleting it and/or trying to explain to them elsewhere. It was a time saver as well as hopefully more informative for users.
Any pages with Advise on them can be deleted. Whether or not you keep the template is up to you. I found it helpful, but I don't foresee having time to use it myself going forward.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:13, 12 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Dave Braunschweig: Thank you for the explanation; it now makes sense. I propose to delete the template since you are no longer active to be deleting the pages maked by the template after 30 days and no one seems to have picked up the slack (is that the phrase?). But if the template is not deleted, it is good to know that I can feel free to delete the pakes marked by the template. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 07:55, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

User:Alandmanson/Hymenoptera of Africa - Pompilidae - Pepsinae - Auplopis

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This page is no longer required --Alandmanson (discusscontribs) 20:40, 17 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

checkY DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 21:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

User:Alandmanson/Hymenoptera of Africa - Pompilidae - Pepsinae - Auplopss

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This page is also no longer required --Alandmanson (discusscontribs) 20:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

checkY DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 21:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

A Translation of the Bible

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This was in RfD before and was kept (here), so I am using RfD again instead of proposed deletion.

I propose to quasi-delete by move to user space. From what I can see, this is a highly incomplete English translation of the Bible: only very few chapters/subpages are bluelinks and the rest are redlinks. The translation was started by globally banned/locked User:Poetlister, so it is unlikely to continue. In this state, the learning outcomes are scarce, of the readers. Admittedly, editors could learn by doing their own translations here for the redlinked chapters, but after Poetlister was blocked, no one seems to have been interested (or have I overlooked someone?). Readers interested in English translations of the Bible are better served by existing complete translations both in Wikisource and elsewhere, many of them executed with remarkable professionality and competence. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 07:58, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Userfy or delete are both fine options. —Justin (koavf)TCM 10:26, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. Moved to user space. At least a month elapsed from the nomination. Given the low participation, this is proto-consensus. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 06:45, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

What to do with remaining Marshall Sumter pages

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I created Wikiversity:Colloquium#What to do with remaining Marshall Sumter pages in Colloquium, especially since its concerns fairly many pages. But since it deals with quasi-deletion (by moving to user space), I am also posting a notification here (for case that someone is only monitoring requests for deletion, as unlikely as it seems). --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 05:36, 22 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Korean/Words

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(I go to RfD instead of proposed deletion since many pages are affected.)

I proposed to quasi-delete, i.e. move to userspace of the main (or sole?) creator, KYPark (talk • email • contribs • stats • logs • global account).

The page is organized a little bit like a dictionary. It makes it redundant to Wiktionary except that Wikiversity allows original research and there does seem to be original research there. Thus, its being organized as a dictionary would alone not necessarily be a problem.

Where I see a problem is in the organization and execution/implementation. Consider Korean/Words/가다, which seems rather typical of the subpages (some subpages are like categories and transclude the pages for individual words):

  • On the putative definition line, there is this: "한곳에서 다른 곳으로 장소를 이동하다", apparently(?) in Korean. That does not seem to fit well into the English Wikiversity.
  • There seems to be some original research into etymological relations between Korean and European languages in the "Comparatives" section (from what I recall, the English Wiktionary rejected this kind of content from KYPark). Admittedly, it is marked using "This is a primary, secondary and/or original Eurasiatic research project at Wikiversity", so it could be tolerable, but even so, one has to wonder whether Wikiversity wants this kind of fringe science/research or outright pseudo-science.
    • Fringe science: fringe physics has been moved to user space before. This would be fringe etymology. But then, original research is allowed.

Deletion is not required; moving to user space suffices, I think. Alternatively, one could at least rename the pages to make it clear from the title that this is not Wikiversity voice but rather KYPark voice, e.g. "Korean/Words (KYPark)/..." or "Korean/Words/KYPark/..." (recall the "Fedosin" pages featuring the name "Fedosin").

Methodology: I see almost no methodological notes spanning the words at Korean/Words. And yet, if this is original research inventing new etymological connections, surely there should be some general considerations/analysis on how to proceed and how that manner of procedure differs from mainstream etymology?

Prefix index (max 200 items?):

--Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 09:33, 24 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

I would keep it. If there is a course of Korean, why not to have a resesearch on Korean vocabulary? Juandev (discusscontribs) 19:53, 16 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Ninefold Resonance Theory

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This page is rank pseudoscience. Wikiversity seems prone to attracting cranks and charlatans to advertise their pseudoscholarship since they cannot do this kind of promotion on other Wikimedia projects. We have had this discussion before when it came to parapsycholoy and cold fusion. Seems the nosense is creeping back in. ජපස (discusscontribs) 14:19, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

So what would you suggest? Move to my own namespace? Because I do find it interesting to name this philosophical theory. I think it's important to pursue freedom of ideas, even if supporters of positivist, materialist philosophy disagree. My theory, which relies on idealism, but attempts to provide an explanation, from idealism, for materialistic philosophy, is meant very seriously. I do not see it as a fake, made-up theory on purpose. S. Perquin (overlegbijdragen) 14:37, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think these ideas probably do not have a place at WMF-sponsored websites. You can always set up a private blog or forum discussion. Kids these days speak highly of discord servers. ජපස (discusscontribs) 15:25, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
What about all those other ideas and theories on Wikiversity that come from original research? Why are those allowed and a metaphysical theory not? Why is Plato allowed to talk about four basic elements (fire, air, water and earth), but I am not allowed to talk about nine (basic) vibrations, while my theory may even be closer to the truth than Plato's theory? I thought Wikiversity was about learning, gaining new ideas, reflecting on them, critiquing them, refining them, and thus arriving at new knowledge? Kind regards, S. Perquin (overlegbijdragen) 15:31, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Plato is recognized as an academic subject worthy of study. Your original research is not equivalent. ජපස (discusscontribs) 16:01, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
@ජපස: Can you clarify which Wikiversity policies you have consulted and thus form the basis of your nomination? (I am not yet making any substantive comment on the nomination itself.) --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 15:41, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Wikiversity:Community Review/Fringe research. Note the principle that research here must be up to standard. This obviously is not it. ජපස (discusscontribs) 15:55, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Wikiversity:Community Review/Fringe research is not a policy, from what I can see. It is a page where two decisions about excluding particular fringe research were made. Which specific passage of a policy (can you quote it) would then lead to deletion of Ninefold Resonance Theory? --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 15:57, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
It references the relevant policy and sets the precedents I outlined above. ජපස (discusscontribs) 16:00, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Good; can you now name the relevant policy and identify the relevant passage ideally by quoting the passage or its part? --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 16:05, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Do you not see it on the page? ජපස (discusscontribs) 16:06, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
On the question of what the precedent cases in the domain of philosophy are: I moved to user space this article: User:MarsSterlingTurner/Ontology. That was utter and overt nonsense, and it was pretty easy to articulate what makes it nonsense (rather than merely claiming it is nonsense). --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 15:45, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
The precent cases of Parapsychology and Cold fusion are a tad more remote since they deal with pseudoscience rather than pseudophilosophy. That makes quite a bit of a difference since, to my mind, a lot of what officially counts as philosophy is pseudophilosphy, but I struggle to see that if a Hegelian pops up in the English Wikiversity, I should be able to move his Hegelian articles to user space. That is not to say that no bad philosophy can ever be moved to user space, merely that the detection is quite different from pseudoscience. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 15:50, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
There is pseudoscience implicitly and explicitly included in this page. ජපස (discusscontribs) 15:56, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I do not see your having providing any substantiation, even a minimal one, of your claims. By contrast, I engaged with the content of the page here: Talk:Ninefold Resonance Theory. If all that is required is an unproven assessment by a Wikiversity non-contributor that a page is pseudoscience, that opens Wikiversity to a possible disruption. Your nomination is per se not likely to be a disruption, but your failure to substantiate or articulate could create a problematic precedent. But maybe I am being too pedantic or risk-averse; I don't really know. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 16:02, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
"expressions of deeper, ninefold vibrations" is absolute blatherskite masquerading as a testable claim. It is pratically a textbook pseudoscientific proclamation. ජපස (discusscontribs) 16:04, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
How is it pseudoscientific when it is put forward as a piece of philosophy, not empirically testable/falsifiable science? --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 16:07, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Just because you sweep your claim into a different closet doesn't insulate it from being nonsense in the context of the other closet. If I just say, "my idea is only philosophy, but perpetual motion still does work," the claim is still pseudoscientific. ජපස (discusscontribs) 16:08, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
From what I can tell, you have quite a couple of concepts mixed up. Giving up here for now; perhaps someone else will chime in. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 16:10, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think I see perhaps where your motivation to be combative in this conversation is coming from and I have initiated a discussion on your user talkpage. ජපස (discusscontribs) 16:12, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I realize that my philosophy could be seen as pseudoscience. But I think, and this is philosophy, that every way of looking at the truth is also based on a philosophy. I personally think that positivist science should not claim to have a monopoly on matter, which I feel it does. If you're talking about how time would work, then it's okay. If you're talking about how God would work, then it's also okay. But if you're talking about how matter would work, then you have to be careful. It feels as if the nature and functioning of matter has been 'hijacked' by a physicalist, materialist, and perhaps even atheistic philosophy. It is true that all elementary particles have been discovered by microcopes, but why should you not be allowed to philosophize about what these particles are and where they come from? Furthermore, I believe that every philosophy is a 'pseudo-philosophy', except for Socrates' philosophy, namely: "The only thing I know is that I know nothing." We can come up with all kinds of ideas about how the universe works, but we will never fully understand it. But we can try to develop a theory that is as close to the truth as possible. God will not enable man to become God himself. But again, that's my philosophy. S. Perquin (overlegbijdragen) 16:01, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
That this is passing for "education" is a problem. In the past, I had suggested that Wikiversity ought to be shut down because it didn't have the immune system to deal with pseudoscholarship. I thought there was some positive efforts in that regard, but it appears pseudoscholarship of this sort has crept back in. ජපස (discusscontribs) 16:06, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Do you mean that people should only receive education according to the positivist paradigm of the 21st century? I always say: don't teach people what to think, but how to think. By the way, I found the message of The Structure of Scientific Revolutions very interesting. I believe that science is not a fluid development (i.e., one thing follows another in the form of an addition), but rather a step-by-step change (i.e., an old paradigm gives way to a new paradigm). It could well be that a groundbreaking development will suddenly cause us to view the universe in a completely different way and regard all other ideas as pseudoscience! S. Perquin (overlegbijdragen) 16:39, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I mean people should receive education that is up to the highest standards. The page I nominated for deletion is not up to those standards as it contains blatant misrepresentations, falsehoods, pseudoscience, and parochial ideas that have never been properly vetted by scholars. ජපස (discusscontribs) 16:47, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Could you explain exactly what makes it pseudoscience? Which of the things I speculate and philosophize about do you think are truly impossible? S. Perquin (overlegbijdragen) 17:15, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Your first mention of "vibrations" is classic pseudophysics. ජපස (discusscontribs) 19:00, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
By "vibrations", I mean a kind of oscillation from a higher-dimensional sphere that we cannot observe or measure. I don't know how else to put it or formulate it. S. Perquin (overlegbijdragen) 19:12, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
You are free to formulate it any way you want.... but what you are writing right now is classic pseudophysics... especially when it comes to the stuff you cannot observe or measure. ජපස (discusscontribs) 19:28, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Why does it seem like such a strange idea that not everything can be observed or measured? Is it possible to observe or measure love? But love is just as real as a table or a chair, isn't it? They are all experiences. Or do you see it differently? S. Perquin (overlegbijdragen) 19:41, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Please go sealion elsewhere. The point that this resource is pseudoscience has been made clearly and asking questions in response does not address the problem at all. ජපස (discusscontribs) 12:04, 3 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
1) I don't think the above conversation is productive. It is perhaps good that it ended. 2) Throwing the word "sealion" around like that is perhaps not a good idea. 3) From what I understand, string theory is currently not empirically testable/falsifiable (hence the label Popperazzi for some of its opponents), so the matter is perhaps not as simple as stating that science only deals with observable/measurable entities. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 12:06, 3 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
String theory does have observable consequences that's the entire reason it exists. On the other hand, this "Ninefold Resonance Theory" is total bollocks. ජපස (discusscontribs) 13:46, 3 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I would chip in over ONE sentence: "God will not enable man to become God himself."
Just how can you know that? I have heard many people say words like this. Mainly from both sides of countries at war. Where both armies where blessed. I have no opinion whatsoever about this article, but i strongly oppose to these words put down as a fact. Harold Foppele (discusscontribs) 21:05, 7 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
Disclaimer: I am not saying this should stay in mainspace; moving to user space is quite possibly the appropriate action. What I now have to calmly deliberate on (there is no hurry; and there are other editors around) is whether the arguments I presented at Talk:Ninefold Resonance Theory suffice for my official support for moving the page to user space as too bad a philosophy. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 16:45, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Perhaps it would be a good idea to create a template called {{Original philosophy}}, alongside {{Original research}}? That new template could state that the article concerns a new philosophy and that it may be viewed as pseudo-philosophy by some people who do not support this philosophy? Then it can remain in the main namespace, but it will be clear that it is a philosophy that is not necessarily based on truth (just like all other philosophies, anyway). S. Perquin (overlegbijdragen) 17:26, 1 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Trying to pretend that there is a "on the one hand/on the other hand" approach to this is very disingenuous. You have received absolutely no notice of this idea from anyone of any academic stature. What you are arguing for is basically making Wikiversity a safe haven for "teaching" "stuff I thought up one day". That can't possibly be what this website is for. ජපස (discusscontribs) 17:30, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
What about to tag it as pseudoscience and keep it. Wikiversity is a free lerning environment and if someone want to learn here how to meditate, why not. What I would propose here to use or create a template for it, which would indicate its a pseudoscience or its an Original research. Juandev (discusscontribs) 19:55, 16 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Are you serious? Pseudoscience promotion would be an automatic disqualification in a university class. Academic freedom and tenure do not save you from educational malpractice which is what you seem to be advocating that we keep. What if someone wanted to learn why the Earth was flat or how to channel aliens from Arcturus? You think that this is a legitimate usecase of this website? ජපස (discusscontribs) 17:14, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
@ජපස If you could prove any of those points that would make it legit. But, as it comes to religion, who is able to proof what? Harold Foppele (discusscontribs) 17:50, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
What are you talking about? This is not WikiReligiousIndoctrination. It's Wikiversity. ජපස (discusscontribs) 19:09, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
Note that I cannot tell whether you are asking me to prove these ideas or whether you are pointing out the impossibility of proving such things therefore, I guess(?), agreeing with my premise that we should only be working with vetted material in the context of the "-versity" suffix. ජපස (discusscontribs) 19:12, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
I agree Harold Foppele (discusscontribs) 19:25, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Please restore my templates

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The 61 templates linked below were deleted by Koavf, because they were not used as templates.
I sometimes create content as a template, but then I just link to it (treating it like as short article, that also could be included, if necessary).

I was not aware, that unused templates can be deleted without any notice. I think nothing (except obvious spam and vandalism) should be deleted without warning and time to respond. Watchduck (quack) 14:57, 7 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Unused templates are sometimes deleted as routine general housekeeping. If a template is actually in use, of course it shouldn't be deleted without some more consideration. As an aside, I have no clue how/why you are linking the templates the way you are. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:03, 7 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
If you have material that is not going to be used in the main namespace anytime soon, you should probably make it in your own userspace, at places like User:Watchduck/foo. Making templates that you have no particular intention on having in any article is not best practice. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:12, 7 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Koavf: On this page you can see such links ("See table").
On your talk page you asked: [...] but one of them is Template:Studies of Euler diagrams/tamino NP table, which is just unused. Why do these need to be here?
Why do you care? Just because they are in the template namespace? I need these tables, and at some point I will want to include some of them somewhere.
To me this is like images on Commons. They can serve a purpose, even if they are not used in articles.
Anyway, thanks for restoring. Probably I will just have to create overview pages for templates (currently) not used as templates. (May be nice to have anyway.) --Watchduck (quack) 15:37, 7 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
"Why do you care? Just because they are in the template namespace? I need these tables, and at some point I will want to include some of them somewhere."
Yes, exactly. Just make User:Watchduck/Template:foo and then move it to Template:foo once it's needed in the main namespace. This is why there are different namespaces. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Koavf/Justin above: if you do not need the template yet, why not place it to your user space? User space seems extremely unregulated, from what I have seen; you can do a wide variety of things there, bar copyright violation, inciting violence, etc. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 06:24, 8 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
That would be one way. Another way is to just use the templates on a page (which may be in user space). --Watchduck (quack) 11:25, 8 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

To avoid further conflict with the user who entered this text into Wikiversity, I am opening a RFD request.

I am not sure about how to proceed, although I am inclined to move it out of mainspace = quasi-delete. I am looking forward to get input from others, especially curators and custodians. Some considerations:

1) There is perhaps no more appearance/suspicion of copyright violation, now that the ResearchGate (RG) article (of which this is a copy, perhaps an incomplete copy?) carries a license.

2) The article is not a complete replica from RG: at a minimum, it lacks images. The inserter could have continued editing the page in his user space before he uploads images, that is, before he finalizes the page for consumption, but that did not happen. I did not check whether the text is an exact one-to-one match; the article does not indicate anything in that regard.

3) The principle implied seems to be this: users should feel free to duplicate non-peer-reviewed articles from RG in English Wikiversity, perhaps to increase the Google search and LLM yield. I find this problematic, in part for the duplication. I would say: choose a venue and publish it there. If RG is not good enough for you as a publishing venue, choose Wikiversity instead, but not both?

4) There are some features that appear unduly promotional. There is a link to a dot com home page of the inserter of the article. I dot not know how we handle or should handle this, whether prohibit such a link, etc. This is perhaps not so much a call to quasi-deletion but a call to make it less promotional.

5) I cannot determine the value of such an article. It seems to be a pseudo-article describing someone's browser extension. Can someone do a better analysis?

--Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 06:48, 8 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

2) Images for Wikicommons are being created, it will take a lot of time. and the text is not an exact one-to-one match
3) I also mentioned that It was being created so that it is more accessible from mobile phone, which is not possible in RG or in Zenodo
Let me clarify the purpose of uploading it to different platforms
Zenodo - registration and to link DOI
RG - Self Archiving
Wikiversity - Accessible by anyone from any device. LLMs may get trained on Wikiversity data or use these data for indexing
5) The paper is a result of a research project which involved a browser extension which was built to test the theory. Tomlovesfar (discusscontribs) 01:34, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I find the practice here of publishing non-identical but similar text ("the text is not an exact one-to-one match") with almost the same title to be problematic. I cannot imagine this is a recommended practice in academic publishing. At a minimum, somewhere near the top, the page should say something like the following: "This text is based on article ___ published at ___ but is not identical. The author of the differences/changes is ___." Everything else leads to an undesirable confusion. In academic publishing, the title of an article serves as key part of identification of the artifact.
As I said before, I seen nothing particularly academic article-like about the page except for external/superficial signs. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 05:30, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
That Article has been published under CC BY SA 4.0
And I am one of the author of the article. That gives me right to modify text and publish it under a similar name. However, I will add the disclaimer text that you have suggested. I hope that helps. ~2025-27520-79 (talk) 06:07, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
It may give you that right from the copyright perspective, but perhaps not from academic publishing integrity perspective. Unfortunately, I do not have any guideline handy; I am merely following my common (or not so common) sense. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 06:32, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I would like to ask: was this article guided by someone from an academic institution, such as a university? Is it reviewed at least in some weak sense? --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 05:39, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yes, This article has been reviewed by two academic professors, their names are also listed as co authors.
First, a project guide would help us with selecting a topic and with the document
Second, an Internal examiner would go through our experiment and approve it
Finally, External Examiner would examine the documentation and verify it.
We were required by these professors to put their name under contributions ~2025-27520-79 (talk) 05:48, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Let me explicate the promotional potential of such a page a bit: one can go to the page of the article in Wikiversity --> https://tomjoejames.com/ --> HitMyTarget (a commercial, profit-making entity?) Why would the link be to a commercial web site rather than an academic page, or perhaps a LinkedIn account, which I think the person has? There could also be no link at all; a search for the name would turn out something in Google as well. But providing a direct link would drive users/viewers toward that website much stronger since otherwise the viewer of the page would have to open a new Google search window or the like. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 05:45, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
It is evident that the website is not even close to being complete.
I will be creating a separate page under the same domain name specifically for people to contact me.
The url would probably be defined as tomjoejames.com/contact-me/
I haven't decided yet. But that is my personal website.
If the community requires me to remove it, I will. But personally I think people who are from here most likely to click the link to know more about me or to contact me. Either way I think my personal website serves the purpose.
As for the HitMyTarget, it can be traced from any of my links. From my research gate profile, linkedin page or even my own userpage.
On the article I did not add any promotional content about myself, I hyperlinked only my own name. I do not know how that is promotional. ~2025-27520-79 (talk) 06:04, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I am pausing any further responses from me to see whether anyone else has any input. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 06:30, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
What does it mean "There is perhaps no more appearance/suspicion of copyright violation"? Juandev (discusscontribs) 19:57, 16 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I have accepted VRT permission per ticket:2025100410001149 FYI. Matrix (discusscontribs) 11:00, 28 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thank you Matrix Tomlovesfar (discusscontribs) 12:43, 28 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Further reading for this nomination: S: Wikisource:Proposed_deletions/Archives/2025#Index:Cookie_Encryption.pdf; EncycloPetey handled the matter. Let me quote his wisdom on Zenodo (which I lack): "This is tied to a PDF on Commons that was uploaded as "own work" with a CC license and a doi link to Zenodo, with no indication of where this paper was published or if it was published. Zenodo is not a publisher; it is a site for storing research and sharing papers. If Zenodo is the only place this was "published" then it was effectively self-published. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:14, 15 September 2025 (UTC)"

--Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 08:55, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Can you clarify what point are you trying to state? Didn't I already state that the article is published by me?
I first created the article in wikisource which I thought would be the perfect place, unfortunately they do not allow self published articles that are not notable. Then I discovered Wikiversity where they allow self published articles. That is why I created the article here.
Unlike in wikisource, I did follow guidelines.
Ever since you deleted the first article, I spent time reading Wikiversity guidelines and I do think that I am following it perfectly.
I would like to get your suggestions on how should I improve the page, 10 points would be sufficient.
Because your goals or intentions are confusing me very much. At first you told me that the article is exactly the same as the preprint in RG and therefore there is no use to it here. And then when I continued to optimize it for Wikiversity, you went ahead and said it is problematic according to recommended academic publishing.
Atleast just respond to the points that I have made whether you agree or disagree. So that I clarify and proceed to discuss points that are important and relevant
Have you published an research article? If yes, could you send it to me so that I can see the format you have done it ~2025-27520-79 (talk) 10:45, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I am giving a chance/time to other curators/custodians to look at the matter and respond to my inputs. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 11:14, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Incidentally, above I counted 4 questions (or more), 1 request (or more?) and 1 command (or more?). That is a behavior of a commanding entity. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 11:24, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

I would delete it'. It's more like an academic communication than a learning resource or research.--Juandev (discusscontribs) 07:32, 26 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

In the above post, I do not see any valid rationale for deletion: we do have article-like pages, in Wikijournals and also e.g. in Physics/Essays/Fedosin/Stellar Stefan–Boltzmann constant. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 08:59, 3 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
it is a student research paper forming part of a learning resource on web security and encryption.
The project was conducted as part of a final-year university course and documented as a practical study on cookie encryption and it has been reviewed by three professors. However, I will be creating a sub page for the article to elaborately describe the experiment that we have conducted and the results we got. Tomlovesfar (discusscontribs) 15:57, 26 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Pragmatics/History

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Another KYPark page and subpages with unclear organization scheme. Contains fairly many redlinked items. See also User:KYPark/Literature, perhaps a similar concept. Unlikely to be really useful for others but KYPark. Move to user space.

As an alternative, moving to History of Pragmatics (KYPark) would make sense to me: the topic is identified using a natural-language phrase (instead of the relatively unnatural slash) and the responsible editor is indicated so that the reader knows whether to look or not. And for those who oppose the brackets (which I like): History of Pragmatics/KYPark. Or also: KYPark/History of Pragmatics. But then, searches in mainspace will see that content and the question is whether that is good. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 05:21, 15 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

What about to propose the user to write some guidelines, how other can participate instead of deleting it? Juandev (discusscontribs) 20:03, 16 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

U3254978

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Only one letter and nonsense. This page has no meaningful content, nor a meaningful page, thus delete as nonsense page.

The page at U3254978 has only one letter? ~2025-29645-98 (talk) 20:16, 21 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

checkY DoneAtcovi (Talk - Contribs) 02:43, 25 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
This page was already speedily deleted because it contains only one letter. ~2025-29978-26 (talk) 02:51, 25 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Gravitational torsion field

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The article Gravitational torsion field is proposed for deletion. Firstly, this article has no relation to the gravitational torsion field described in the article Physics/Essays/Fedosin/Gravitational torsion field. Secondly, the article's content is a mishmash of unrelated ideas and assumptions, many of which are not even related to gravitation. Fedosin (обсуждениевклад) 12:38, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Move to user space, which is quasi-deletion. Searching the article for "Gravitational torsion field" finds nothing, not in the text, not in the references. The article is not labeled as original research, yet the headword "Gravitational torsion field" does not trace anywhere (it cannot trace anywhere from the body text since the body text does not have the headword). These are red flags. Further reading: W:User_talk:Swbraithwaite, W:User talk:SWBPAUSEWATCH, more red flags. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 12:48, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
Delete. Low quality. Out of scope. Author no longer active on Wikiversity and has problematic WMF editing history. More detail: ChatGPT review. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:40, 10 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think we should move to user space unless we have a specific reason to outright delete, consistent with the position taken rather passionately by Guy vandegrift and supported by some other people, including probably by Dave Braunschweig who often moved pages to user space. Moreover, whether the page is out of scope, I am not sure; we do have author-specific articles (e.g. Physics/Essays/Fedosin/Gravitational torsion field) and if the page was solid enough, it would not be out of scope, I think. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 08:33, 10 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

May be it is a simplest variant for the case.Fedosin (обсуждениевклад) 14:10, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

IMHA Research Archives

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I propose to move to userspace, including the subpages. I struggle to understand how Wikiversity readers are supposed to benefit from the material here and in the subpages. In the log, there is e.g. '10 February 2019 Marshallsumter discuss contribs deleted page IMHA Research Archives (content was: "{{Delete|Author request}} Thanks! -")', so the page was deleted before, but not the subpages.

We could also delete all the material if we have strong enough suspicion too much of it is copyright violation. In any case, moving to user space improves the matter a little by moving the content away from Google search. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 13:38, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Looking at some sub-pages, they can be deleted e.g., because they only consist of broken links or are largely empty. I deleted a couple but haven't been through all to check. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:27, 10 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

As an example, let me give the wikitext content of IMHA Research Archives/3. Scientific litterature search, storage and use:

==[[/Medicina Maritima - the Spanish scientific maritime health journal/]]==

==[[/PubMed/]]==

==[[/Google and Google Scholar/]]==

==[[/Zotero/]]==

==[https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d91z7bcyelfvk42/AAAkIvjtBnnFMbiU9ZLOdVL9a/Andrioti_database%20sources0310.pptx?dl=0 Maritime health web portal ressources ]==

The wikilinks are red; the external link to dropbox says "You don't have access". This was made in 2016. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 09:04, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

I suggest delete -- Jtneill - Talk - c 03:27, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think we should avoid deletion as much as possible, instead moving to user space (bar copyvio, ethics violation, etc.). This is a good general principle. It greatly improves auditability and makes it so much easier for anyone to request undeletion since they know what content they are requesting for undeletion. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 09:52, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Cosmic Influx Theory

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More pseudoscience masquerading as "original research". This is embarrassing. ජපස (discusscontribs) 13:45, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

This is quite possible but unless you provide at least a modicum of substantiation, I do not see how this can get deleted or rather moved to user space. --Dan Polansky (discusscontribs) 14:36, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
I'm curious as to how pseudoscience meets Wikiversity's learning objectives. What is the learning objective in someone's own ideas which are not scientifically credible? For example, "CIT introduces the concept of a universal energy influx, hypothesized as a stream of neutrino-like particles interacting with atomic nuclei, driving incremental mass increases in alignment with the Lorentz Transformation of Mass-Energy" - is this something that can be scientifically supported? (though admittedly I'm not well-versed in physics).
I would propose moving this to userspace as opposed to deletion, but I agree with the original proposer that having content like this hurts our image rather than bolsters it. Perhaps we may need to create a guideline regarding pseudoscience vs. original research and what is allowed in the mainspace. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 15:46, 12 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
There was such a thing. Wikiversity:Community Review/Fringe research. It looks like y'all lost institutional memory about the last time pseudoscientists infiltrated this wiki. ජපස (discusscontribs) 01:38, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
Assuming that I have "forgotten" about a discussion that I never participated in nor was even remotely related to is an erroneous assumption. Despite the inappropriate comment, I have added it to my watchlist for future reviewing. My stance is that the page in queston should be removed from the mainspace, but I will allow discourse to take place (including Ruud's defense of the page) before a final decision is set. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 13:46, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
My apologies: I intended on making no judgement against you personally in spite of the implied collective second person. The lack of institutional knowledge about what came before about this is my general complaint with what is going on here. I wish you nothing but the best in reviving a commitment for Wikiversity to not promote pseudoscience. ජපස (discusscontribs) 16:03, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
What are you talking about "modicum of substantiation"? Do you think this is not pseudoscience? ජපස (discusscontribs) 01:31, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Response from Ruud Loeffen (author of the resource) This page is clearly identified as original research and is presented as a learning resource, not as established science. Its purpose is to document the development of a theoretical framework in a transparent way, allowing readers to study, critique, and evaluate its reasoning. Chapter 8 provides extensive references to the scientific literature and external sources used throughout the work, ensuring traceability and openness.

The resource has been publicly accessible for many months and has been viewed by many researchers and interested readers. During this period, no formal objections or disputes have been raised about its presence or purpose. This suggests that the page has not caused disruption and has served as a stable educational resource.

Wikiversity’s research guidelines explicitly support original research when it serves clear educational goals. This resource meets that expectation by enabling inquiry, comparison, and critical examination.

For these reasons, I respectfully request that the page be kept in mainspace as an example of documented, transparent original research intended for learning. Ruud Loeffen (discusscontribs) 01:03, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

I am sorry, but this entire "original research" is nothing but utter nonsense. It belongs in your own private blog, not hosted at this website. It is so ridiculous as to be not even wrong. ජපස (discusscontribs) 01:34, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
There is no "educational goal" to be found in this any more than there would be an educational goal if someone had written a treatise about their fantasies or superstitions. What are we doing here? ජපස (discusscontribs) 01:35, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

AI-Assisted Evaluation of Cosmological Theories

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Related to the above, but worse. What are y'all doing here? You are hosting absolute nonsense that is basically frontloading a chatbot's hallucinations about cosmology. This is the kind of thing that would get most people kicked out of a university for promoting. ජපස (discusscontribs) 01:43, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Category:Ideas of S. Perquin

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These pages are more suitable for userspace/blog and not suitable for Wikiversity mainspace, as they fail to meet the objectives for learning and interactive education. For example, Simulacrumism is not something anyone can actually learn from since it's just an unscientific idea that can't be replicated. Besides, "S. Perquin" is not a notable figure whose philosophy can be derived and studied from. Possibly a move to userspace would work. Thoughts? Pinging the author @S. Perquin: for consultation as well. Thanks! —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 17:57, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

If it is not allowed to be in the main namespace (which I would find disappointing), then it can of course be moved to my own namespace! Kind regards, S. Perquin (overlegbijdragen) 18:15, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply