Talk:WikiJournal of Humanities/Æthelflæd, Lady of the Mercians
Author: Dudley Miles, et al.
Miles, D; et al..
Pass. WMF copyvio tool using TurnItIn. Direct quotes were detected by are all attributed so not regarded as plagiarism. Some content was significantly duplicated in thehistorypress.co.uk, but the submitted text predates that of the external website. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:18, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
First peer reviewer
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This is all very good. I'd query the labelling 'Danish Viking Rule' in 878 what is the significance of 'Danish' here? is the kingdom of Denmark united at this time? Did all these people come exclusively from Denmark? if not then why specify? earlier English use of the label Danish is more inclusive than the modern term which reflects the boundary of modern nation states- I feel this can be misguiding. Bibliography - shouldn't Joanna Arman's book on Aethelflaed be consulted, seeing as this one of the few scholarly books dedicated to this historical figure? The text refered to as the 'Three Fragments' is now more conventionally known as 'The Fragmentary Annals of Ireland', edited by Joan N. Radner (Dublin, 1978) this text is also available online through the CELT database so a bibliographic citation and link might be useful for readers.
- This is a fair point on 'Danish', but historians do often use the term and distinguish between Danish and Norse (Norwegian) Vikings. As the source cited, Stenton, uses the term Danish I think it is better to keep it.
- Joanna Arman's biography. I have this book, but I decided not to use it as I was concerned at finding a number of errors in the glossary of names. E.g. 1. Asser did not say that Alfred and his older brother King Æthelred made an agreement that the throne would be inherited by the children of whoever lived the longest. He said that Alfred was heir apparent during Æthelred's reign. 2. Æthelred Mucil was not of royal stock, his wife was. 3. Æthelstan's half-brother did not die the year after his father but within a month. 4. It is very unlikely that Æthelweard was destined for a career in the church as he had two sons. 5. Æthelwulf was not the maternal grandfather of Æthelflæd, he was the paternal grandfather.
- Three Fragments now better known as The Fragmentary Annals of Ireland. Good point. I have given both titles as Wainwright, who I quote, uses the older one. Dudley Miles (discuss • contribs) 14:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Second peer reviewer
Overall this looks very good: I'd encourage acceptance by the journal, conditional on the author paying close attention to the points in the annotated copy.
- RNN1. Aargh. Someone changed Alfred's title and I did not notice. Corrected.
- RNN2, 4, 5. Standard Wikipedia practice is that references are not required in the lead as everything should be referenced in the main text, but I agree that it is better to supply duplicate references for quotes. Added.
- RNN3. Burhs begun rather than built. Done.
- RNN6. Spelling of Ellendun. Done.
- RNN7. Add regnal list on Ceolwulf's reign. Done in note.
- RNN8. Occupation of London. I have now found the discussion of this in Simon Keynes's "King Alfred and the Mercians" and updated.
- RNN9. Link for Æthelred I. This is linked above as King Æthelred of Wessex. I have added the "I" to the linked name to make it easier for readers to find it.
- RNN10. S 221 not the only original from Edward's reign. The citation is Michael Lapidge, Anglo-Latin Literature 900-1066, p. 13, but this was lost in the move to WikiJournal. I have changed the text to say it is the only original charter of Æthelred and Æthelflæd, and added a note on Lapidge's view.
- RNN11. Reference for S 223. Added inline.
- RNN12. Town of statue. Added - this is the second of two cases where text on image labels went missing in the move to WikiJournal.
- RNN13. Æthelflæd not the only female ruler. Deleted.
- RNN14. Should say all coins were in Edward's name. Done.
- RNN15. Use up to date translation of Henry of Huntingdon's tribute. Done.
- RNN16. 'Celtic' is problematic. I cannot change this as it is in a quote from Nick Higham. Unfortunately, indents for quotations were lost in your copy of the article.
- Many thanks for the very helpful review. Dudley Miles (discuss • contribs) 15:31, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Comments by Thomas Shafee
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Note from the editorial board: As a matter of journal style, the editorial board is happy to have references omitted from the lead/abstract so long as they are referenced inline at the relevant point later in the text.