Talk:Was Gaza Strip from 2010 to 2020 like a concentration camp?

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I agree that it's probably a rhetorical and less-than-honest use of the term, albeit I've never seen the Gaza Strip. This delicately balanced wikidebate seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through just to call BS on one line of propaganda though, don't you think? Or rather, it's hard enough as it is to write up a good critique. AP295 (discuss • contribs) 10:26, 23 December 2023 (UTC) (Not per se incorrect, but after getting up to speed on the latest events in Gaza I think the debate title is rather misleading. See my newer comments below. AP295 (discuss • contribs))

And why specifically are we talking about the Gaza Strip from 2010-2020 when the area is apparently in crisis as we speak? AP295 (discuss • contribs) 11:04, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

By carefully reading the resource from the top to the end, you are likely to figure it out for yourself. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 11:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

If you say so. They're presently out of water; "UNICEF reported children in southern Gaza were receiving 1.5 liters of water a day, while the minimum amount for survival is 3 liters per day.[65]" That's pretty bad. While I can appreciate the semantic argument it seems like the less immediate problem, between the two. AP295 (discuss • contribs) 11:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Put something in the intro about it. Otherwise the debate seems churlish. AP295 (discuss • contribs) 11:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Dan Polansky: After doing a bit of research on the matter, I strongly suggest that this 'debate' be renamed. South Africa brought a genocide case against Israel for their actions post 10/7/2023, so constraining the debate to 2010-2020 is itself rhetorical and misleading. Here's a link to South Africa's complaint to the ICJ: [1] AP295 (discuss • contribs) 12:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

The question Does Israel perform genocide in 2023-2024 Israel-Hamas war?--if that is what you have in mind--is a very different question, with very different set of arguments for and against. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 07:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

The question is to some extent covered in W:Palestinian genocide accusation and W:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 07:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's a different question, but isn't this a poorly-timed and poorly-titled Wikidebate when there's a much more serious and more immediate problem in Gaza right now? You know my thoughts on the subject of free speech, I'm not going to insist that you must change or delete your debate, but surely you understand my concern in this instance. At least in the USA, mass media does not cover the issue adequately. This (like so much other realpolitik) is buried with stories about the president, former presidents, and presidential candidates, most of which are relatively unimportant. What are they going to tell the American people if it turns out that the court decides that there has been an attempt at genocide, and one funded by our tax dollars, no less? I digress, but at any rate if we're going to discuss Gaza, it seems like the alleged ongoing genocide of its people is a more relevant and salient topic of discussion. AP295 (discuss • contribs) 13:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech:, @Dan Polansky: You should allow Ottawahitech to add the link so that viewers are at least aware of what's happened in the past few months (though I don't necessarily endorse enwiki's article itself). If the wikidebate rules allowed for a genuine discourse I'd start one on the recent events in Gaza or perhaps on whether my nation should keep sending foreign aid to Israel. However I've been scolded by several people in the past for not representing "both sides" of an issue in Wikidebates and it would be a reproach to morality and decency itself to split the difference in the case of ongoing warcrimes including probable violations of the genocide convention. I think this is a pretty strong example of why the guidelines should change, but what do I know? AP295 (discuss • contribs) 11:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

added Arab refugee camps to Further reading

I was looking for an English Wikipedia entry for the term "descendants of Arab refugees" which is mentioned in the introduction and all I could find was Arab refugee camps, so I added it to Further reading Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 17:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)