Are humans omnivores or herbivores?

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Most humans are behavioral omnivores, but are we naturally so? Are we fit for eating meat and cheese as much as fruits and vegetables? Or are humans natural herbivores?

Humans are omnivores[edit | edit source]

Omnivores are organisms that feed on both animal tissue and plants.

  • Argument Argument Humans gain significant nutrition and energy from meat.
    • Objection Objection Animal products contain components which cause many prevalent chronic diseases, amongst which cholesterol, which causes the inflammation of the arteries and can lead to atherosclerosis [1] and, in turn, cardiovascular disease and strokes; saturated fat; animal protein; heme iron, which the human body lacks the capacity to regulate and is associated with a higher risk of colorectal cancer (CRC) [2]. The World Cancer Research Fund has found strong evidence that red meat increases the risk of CRC. [3].
  • Argument Argument Humans have a trophic level of 2.21 (same as anchovy and pigs)[4] Anchovy subsist primarily on zooplankton, [5] which are generally crustaceans and jellies.[6] Pigs are omnivores.[7] It is suggested that animals with such a trophic level can subsist on a widely varied diet.
    • Objection Objection Level 2 of the trophic level index includes herbivores, level 3 or higher includes carnivores[8], the trophic level of 2.21 doesn't neccissarily mean that humans are not herbivores or supposed to be omnivores.
  • Argument Argument Our closest evolutionary relatives, chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes) and bonobos (P. paniscus), are omnivorous [9], as these species' biology most closely resembles that of Homo sapiens, it is more likely that humans share commonalities in digestive physiology.
    • Objection Objection A study from Scientific America states that chimps eat meat on average 9 days a year and bonobos even less. They eat according to their surroundings, if there is no meat they won't eat meat and therefore live herbivorously. Which would lead me to conclude that if we don't need to eat meat, we can be herbivores.
      • Objection Objection Animals cannot eat something that they can't get. A chimpanzee is an omnivore, just because it can survive on plants does not make it a herbivore. Using that logic, the Inuit people are carnivores, because plants are largely unavailable in their lands.
  • Argument Argument Humans wean earlier than herbivores, a pattern that matches that of carnivores.[10] Chimpanzees (our closest evolutionary cousin) wean their young on average at around 5 years old and orangutans (the apes closest to our body weight) wean on average at 7.7 years old, which almost no human society does. Meanwhile, the average human weaning age is 2 to 4 years old [11], which is considerably shorter than in chimpanzees and orangutans, even accounting for cultural differences and individual preferences.
    • Objection Objection Many herbivores wean earlier than humans, such as cattle and sheep.
  • Argument Argument Humans are able to digest meat and absorb its nutrients, which we would be unable to do if we were herbivores.
    • Objection Objection the capacity that humans have to eat meat does not imply that meat is healthy. It only means it is a reliant source of energy. Many other foods, however, are also energising, but unhealthy. Many other herbivores have been seen eating meat, which makes them opportunistic feeders [12] and not necessarily omnivores.
  • Argument Argument Humans, like many predators, have forward-facing eyes rather than eyes on the side of our head as prey would. This would imply that we were designed to hunt and eat other species.
    • Objection Objection Many predators don't have forward-facing eyes, and many herbivores have forward-facing eyes.
    • Objection Objection Humans descend from tree-dwelling animals, that needed precise forward-looking binocular vision to avoid falling when leaping and moving around.
  • Argument Argument The vast majority of humans practice an omnivorous diet and have been doing so for millions of years, and many live a long, healthy life.
    • Objection Objection This does not describe the physiology of humans but only their will. This logic would mean that if humans all decide to eat exclusively meat this makes them carnivores, and if they all decide to eat exclusively vegetables they are now herbivores.
      • Objection Objection For the most part, "omnivory", "carnivory" & "herbivory" have historically been defined by behavioural measures. Numerous species that have previously been defined as herbivores, including: Hippopotomus [13][14], white tailed deer [15], giraffe warthog and waterbuck [16], sheep [17][18] cattle [19][20], rabbits [21], duikers [22], bonobos [23], chipmunks [24], and squirrels [25] (not an exhaustive list) have been shown through behavioural observation, or through fecal and stomach content analysis (both the result of behaviour) to deliberately consume meat and carrion, even predating on bird eggs, nestlings, insects, frogs, turtles, lizards and other small animals. These findings cause scientists to rethink the categorisation from herbivore to omnivore, or at the very least "Partially omnivorous". If other animal species are defined by their behavioural diet, than so must humans.
        • Objection Objection that would defeat the purpose of this series of these arguments and objections, as it would beg the question: can we really be defined as herbivores/omnivores/omnivores? People have eating what they want for a long time and a plant-based diets / regular omnivorous diets / inuits have demonstrated that it is possible to survive a lifetime under all diets.
    • Objection Objection If humans were meant to eat meat, why would nature dictate that we have to cook or cure to make it safe for consumption?
  • Argument Argument Omnivorous behavior in humans is a cultural universal (with few exceptions like Jains, Amish and Hindus). There is considerable evidence that such cultural universals can be attributed to our genetics, and in turn to our physiology.[citation needed]
    • Objection Objection It's more the reverse that environment shape genetics: "biology" or "nature" (first opposed to supernatural not cultural/social) as a social construct, epigenetics, nurture or purely cultural/social overdeterminations, etc.[clarification needed]

Humans are herbivores[edit | edit source]

Herbivores are organisms that feed exclusively or mainly on plants.

  • Argument Argument Humans have a trophic level of 2.21 (same as anchovy) and that is an average (some humans have a higher trophic level, like inuits, which means that the majority of humans are indeed plant-based) and like many other studies similarly shows, we were even more plant-based before the industrial revolution.[26]
    • Objection Objection The conclusion that humans are herbivorous does not follow from this argument or the citation. The cited paper states "This first estimate of HTL at 2.21, i.e., a trophic level similar to anchoveta and pigs, quantifies the position of humans in the food web.[27] Anchoveta (Anchovy) subsist primarily on zooplankton [28], which are generally crustaceans and jellies [29]. Pigs are omnivores [30]. This is in fact, an argument against human herbivory and for human omnivory.
  • Argument Argument Some of our closest evolutionary cousins (bonobos, gorillas) are herbivores.
    • Objection Objection Chimpanzees have been documented hunting, killing and eating monkeys.
      • Objection Objection which doesn't make them omnivores, but opportunistic feeders [12].
  • Argument Argument Humans lack claws, sharp teeth or other natural weapons.
    • Objection Objection Our natural weapon is our brain, which can and is used to make other weapons and strategies.
      • Objection Objection Our brain which shows compassion and empathy towards other animals, also great sorrow when they die is an argument for humans being herbivores. Our brain has provided us with the knowledge about nutrition to maintain a long and healthy life without eating meat or dairy. So we therefore do not have the natural weapons anatomically to be carnivorous or omnivorous, our "natural weapon" the brain has worked against the omnivorous argument.
        • Objection ObjectionCompassion and empathy are subjective and have not been shown to stop humans from "wanting" to eat meat. In fact, by 2022 the meat industry is projected to have grown by double what it was in 2016. [31]
  • Argument Argument An average human adult has a 22 feet long intestinal tract, small and long combined. The chest size of an adult is about 26 inches. The ratio is therefore 10.15. Herbivores are known to have an intestinal tract of 10 to 12 times their chest length.
  • Argument against Argument against Humans can't derive energy from cellulose due to a reduced cecum and colon. All other herbivores and plant-based omnivores (e.g. great apes, pigs) can do this [citation needed].
    • Objection Objection Dietary fibers (which include insoluble fibers like "cellulose") count as 2kcal in average and these undigested carbs seems more like a necessity for us and other herbivores in regards to many aspects of health (typical western diet is even deficient in fibers). Herbivores do not create any enzyme that breaks down cellulose. Instead, they eat food that contains these enzymes.
  • Argument against Argument against Humans require vitamin B12 in their diet, unlike herbivores which can make their own in their colon with the help of bacteria.
    • Objection Objection Humans also create vitamin B12 in their colon with the help of bacteria. However, no animal can assimilate their own B12, they must get it from outside of their body. Most animals lick bacteria-rich soils. Humans can cultivate their own vegetables without any chemicals and make sure they grow in rich soil. If they don't wash the vegetables with chlorinated water, B12 will be found on it.
  • Argument against Argument against If humans were not omnivores why are we attracted to the physical properties of meat?
    • Objection Objection We don't necessarily feel the need to chase down animals and feed on their flesh, do we?
      • Objection Objection That's exactly what our hunter-gatherer ancestors did for millennia.
        • Objection Objection appeal to history is not a reason.
      • Objection Objection Being omnivores or carnivores does not necessarily mean being hunters. Humans could have been scavengers.
      • Objection Objection Why would I do that when there is readily available meat at the market? If we lived in a different era or environment we certainly would hunt.

Objection to categorical definitions[edit | edit source]

  • Argument Argument The argument, as stated, is nonsensical. The categories as defined do not address the original question. By definition, or at least the definitions given on this page, some humans are herbivores and some humans are omnivores. There is nothing in the definitions that appeals to what is "natural". While we are examining the terms we are using, is human will/choice a "natural" occurrence? We are animals with the ability to choose, and certainly not unique in that respect, how could choosing then be defined as unnatural?

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