User talk:Martin Gibson

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--Martin Gibson (discusscontribs) 18:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)--Trebreh nitram (discusscontribs) 04:49, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Creating drafts in user space[edit source]

You created an essay on this page, then copied and pasted it into a resource essay space. Instead, create a new essay or potential resource, if you don't want to do it in mainspace, as a user subpage. You can create a subpage by creating a link to it, like this: User:Trebreh nitram/Draft essay. Then follow the redlink and it will take you to a page creation screen or ask you if you want to create the page (and then will go to that screen). Then, later, you will be able to move the page to its final location. (You should be able to move pages, because you should now be autoconfirmed.) The move will keep history intact, and working on the page in your user space

  1. Keeps it almost totally safe from deletion or any kind of interference, unless content is truly objectionable, not merely "wrong."
  2. The page can be listed on your user page, using the abbreviated subpage link from there. I.e., from this page, /Draft essay would point to User talk:Trebreh nitram/Draft essay, a page where others might comment on your draft without interfering with it. If that abbreviated link is on your User page, it will point to the essay itself. You can suppress display of the initial / by putting another / after the name, like this: Draft essay. (You can edit this section to see the wikitext, of course.) One more detail about subpage names. Subpages can, of course, have subpages. The wikitext [[../NAME]] will look one level up in the page hierarchy to find the page "NAME." I.e., if you have the essay page described above, on it you could place a link to a page, NAME, with the simple link shown, that is actually to User:Trebreh nitram/NAME. Cross-links within the same space.
  3. Page history will stay intact when the page is moved to its home in mainspace, and it's only one edit, not two. Usually, one will include the attached Talk page with the page.... So it's really neater and cleaner. It's usually self-explanatory as well. Big removals of content from a page, as you did here, attracts anti-vandalism attention for obvious reasons. It's a service to the community to not distract them....

And don't worry. Wikiversity is a place where you can make lots of mistakes, even major ones, and we won't get upset, if you learn from them. We won't even get upset if you don't learn, but we might start to do more than make suggestions! Again, welcome! --Abd (discusscontribs) 15:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't move the article back[edit source]

[1] The article is fine where it is. I see you blanked it. I considered undoing those changes, however, this is really up to you. The page seemed fine as it was, and you could continue to develop it there, with minimal problem, if any. If you want to move it to a full mainspace resource, consult first. As an Essay, it is essentially yours. In your user space, that is even more true. You could have a complete nonsense page in your user space, and unless it was harmful, it would probably not be molested.

If for some reason, you do want that page in your user space, it can be moved. Let me know you what you are doing and I'll assist with cleanup, etc., showing you how to get a page deleted. But what will be deleted will be the redirect that will be created automatically when the page is moved. Not that content. You will unblank it, either where it is, or in your user space. Unless you really want the whole thing deleted, which, if requested, would probably be granted, if nobody else has worked on it. Not always. --Abd (discusscontribs) 21:12, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Actually, I'm undoing those edits, because now I see you uploaded some files, used on the page. Those are, you say, "for noncommercial use," but they are not your files, and there is no license information other than that. First of all, noncommercial is "non-free content," and to use it on Wikiversity requires a "non-free rationale," i.e, a claim of fair use. And most interpretations have been that this is not for anything other than mainspace. So if you want those images, it must be in mainspace. You will also need to provide more information about the files. I'll create a separate section here about them. --Abd (discusscontribs) 21:31, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Files needing license[edit source]

These files will need license information, not just a summary of your interpretation of a license. What is the source? How did you get these files. URL? What is the exact license?

It may be legal to use a file here, but that may not be enough. We are noncommercial, but policy seeks free content (which includes commercial re-use, see Wikiversity:Uploading files, and then Wikiversity:Uploading files#Exemption Doctrine Policy. This is based on overall Wikimedia Foundation policy, we have some flexibility, but caution is needed.

That page actually says: "Licenses which restrict the use of the media to non-profit or educational purposes only (i.e. noncommercial use only), or are given permission to only appear on Wikiversity, are not free enough and media files licensed in a non-free fashion will be deleted after you upload them (so do not bother to upload such media files)."

However, the EDP section covers fair use, and if the files qualify for fair use, they could be used even if fully protected by copyright, so it's obvious that a non-commercial license does not prohibit fair use. Please read the EDP section. We may be able to interpret it liberally, but these files will need to be tagged as non-free, that's essential. --Abd (discusscontribs) 21:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

this would be Martin Gibson's web site. Now, problem. No licensing shown. In the old days, when the earth was young and so was I, if you published something without copyright information, that was the same as releasing it into the public domain. That is no longer the case, by international treaty. The author automatically owns copyright, and that lasts for donkeys' ages, like life of author plus seventy years. Aside from fair use, which remains possible, the result is that it can't be used here unless the author releases it in some way. You wrote "noncommercial use only." Where did you get that? I didn't see it on the site, but I certainly did not look everywhere.

It is possible that the author could be persuaded to release the material under a free license. See [2] for some propaganda on this. --Abd (discusscontribs) 22:15, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Response[edit source]

I am Martin Gibson. Should I be using that as my user name? When I created the account, I wasn't sure where things were going so I used an alias. I see that I have been responding to you on your talk page and now mine. What is the protocol?. All very new to me, but it seems to be full of potential. I created all four files above using programs on my computer, except for the file conversion of mp4 to ogv on line. All content is mine. The noncommercial choice was in a pull down menu on the file upload page near the bottom. I entered the markup first on the page for the file then saved the page and then clicked on the file name in the thumbnail and that brought up the upload page. Is fair use what you are recommending?

--Trebreh nitram (discusscontribs) 22:41, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Physics/Essays/Fedosin/Fine structure constant[edit source]

Have you seen this? --Abd (discusscontribs) 22:16, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I have. Should I link to this in some way as a point of departure?

--Trebreh nitram (discusscontribs) 22:27, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cold Fusion Response[edit source]