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Long time no see! --Abd 00:32, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Block[edit]

This verified [1] socket puppet account has been blocked for participating in a Community Review [2]. Please use only one account for official policy discussions. --mikeu talk 14:45, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Please see [3] and [4]. The only edits to the CR by someone not using their primary account were from ips, and those were blocked from editing. [5] [6] and [7] [8] --mikeu talk 15:36, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Since that is the reason, I will edit that section as Abd, to show what was shown as Richard P. Feynman. However, there are many examples of multiple account usage recently, as participation in community process. Why just one CR would be considered different from the other discussions is beyond me. Please unblock. Thanks. --Abd 16:11, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Little by little we have been trying to improve the CR process, but we still have a way to go. It is not possible for any one custodian to follow all the edits in the many forums that are active. There are some people who seem to feel that the issues that we are discussing are rather important and might have irl consequences, so I think that this topic deserves serious consideration and deliberation. --mikeu talk 16:52, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, Mike. I agree. What I'm suggesting is even enforcement of standards. I do recognize that you have to start somewhere, but draconian enforcement, out of the blue, unevenly applied, is not the way to do it.
I have reverted SBJ's changes to other people's sections, but would have no problem with a truly even cleanup. I'd tried, editing Moulton's section to be titled with his user name, and that of WAS as well. Moulton reverted. So, I wrote, "can't lick 'em, join 'em" and simply modified my own section to be, as well, under a different name, and set it up with a new account -- which I have other reasons for using -- so as to remain within standards for avoiding abusive sock puppetry. In theory, custodians have no superior rights to organize process, but do have the ability to enforce standards and even to warn users against specific behaviors that are not covered clearly by policy, and even to block to enforce such warnings. Please be more careful in the future. Thanks. --Abd 17:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

An Imaginary Dialogue[edit]

Moulton: Oh, that's interesting. A college drop-out who has spent his life engaged in Junk Science and Cargo-Cult Science just got blocked for impersonating a Nobel-Prize Winning Physicist who is one of the leading contributors to the Theory of Quantum Mechanics. Actually, it might have been amusing to see Abd have an imaginary conversation with his imaginary friend. full original edit by Caprice aka Moulton at [9]. note by --Abd 00:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Abd: Dr. Feynman, I hope you have enjoyed your extended wikibreak. I know that it's inconvenient for you to edit here, and appreciate whatever suggestions you might make. --Abd 17:14, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Feynman: Well, now that I have nothing but Time on my hands, I'll take a look at what you have been doing since we met. Ah. You were that kid who wore the tennis shoes to formal dinner at Page House, with a toe cut out. I see that you still do things that are not normal. Well, that's what we do, isn't it? --Richard P. Feynman 17:20, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Abd: Well, I did try to not play bongo drums in the middle of the night when my wife was trying to sleep. I never got much beyond 5:4, are you really sure you managed 7:6? Maybe that was because you got more practice? Ah, the price we pay! --Abd 17:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Feynman: Now, what's this stuff above about Junk Science and Cargo-Cult Science? Since I can now see your life, I see that you stayed away from "science" and worked as an engineer for years. You dropped out, yes, but so did a lot of people. You weren't kicked out. You worked with what's been called "spiritual science" for years, but you didn't treat it the same as formal science, and were iconoclastic there as everywhere. You were concerned with real people, not theory, except as organizing concepts, you did tend to go on about that. I see that you remembered what I taught you about quantum mechanics, and applied it to that miserable Cold fusion controversy. You knew that theory was being worshipped, the very thing I warned against. That's "Cargo Cult Science." You aren't pretending to know what you don't know, and it is that pretense that is how we fool ourselves. What can I do for you? --Richard P. Feynman 17:33, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Abd: You already did it, Dr. Feynman. Thank you for being you, you completed that task most excellently. Nevertheless, perhaps you can remind me from time to time when I lose it. Enjoy your rest, and you live on in memory regardless. I just read your book on Quantum Electrodynamics, clear as always. --Abd 17:38, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

For the record, I had no involvement with anything that could be called "junk science" or "cargo-cult science" until I came across an abusive blacklisting on Wikipedia and looked into what was behind it, a little more than two years ago. I was, at that time, skeptical about cold fusion, and I'd followed the issue in 1989, but not beyond, assuming what almost all assumed, that it had been conclusively rejected. Moulton's claim above is preposterous. What I found when I started to work on the WP article was that there never had been any conclusive rejection, just a politically successful appearance, as I have seen in a couple of other cases. It's not the norm, it's rare. Most "junk" is actually junk. Some cold fusion research is effectively junk. But not all. --Abd 17:45, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

As to "impersonating," see [10]. There was no "impersonation," in the sense of fraudulent representation, and I avoided even the appearance of multiple supports on a page, classic abusive socking, unlike Moulton, who does this frequently, and Caprice has not been blocked, nor should he be, though he should be warned about the appearance of socking, and blocked if it continues. --Abd 17:49, 5 March 2011 (UTC)