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You do not need to be an educator to edit. You only need to be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage. See you around Wikiversity! --Ottava Rima (talk) 14:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Why wikiversity?[edit source]

Hi, Rene! It is very interesting, why you decided to choose wikiversity instead of Coursera, EdX (non-profit), Udacity? I think it is much easier to attract more people there. Of course, if there is such aim. I do not know what aims you have. --Oleamm (discusscontribs) 16:15, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Of course attracting people in a MOOC is nice but I think the bigger aim is to contribute to OER. Also there is a large community and eco system behind Wikimedia projects and the Wikimedia foundation itself is very interested in educational topics. May I ask you how you came to the MOOC ? --Renepick (discusscontribs) 16:19, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
never mind my question. I just saw you are one of our master students (: --Renepick (discusscontribs) 16:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have watched this video before asking my question. It is clearly described why you use a wiki-style environment: you do not want to create any walls in knowledge sharing =) --oleamm (discusscontribs) 23:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit without being logged in?[edit source]

Hello René, I was wondering if you lateley edited this discussion page without being logged in? The style of the reply looks like you and it also came from a university IP-address. I was wondering whether your (?) deletion of my second question was intentional or not. --Onse (discusscontribs) 12:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

yes that was me without being logged in (for some reason my browser logs me of once in a while. And of course deleting an excelent question was unintentional! I have just reverted it and will come to the answer soon (: --Renepick (discusscontribs) 12:34, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply and the undo. I just removed the discussion from the university IP-address too. When it comes to student motivation, I can try but don't think it will help a lot. I don't know why there are just about five persons active on here. --Onse (discusscontribs) 13:01, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
I think that has a connection with the 1 % rule --Renepick (discusscontribs) 14:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Topic: Web Science[edit source]

Hi! I've noticed your work on Topic: Web Science and wanted to commend you for your efforts. Two things to consider.

1) Content in the Topic: space isn't available by common search. The intent behind Topic: was that it could be used to organize pages about other pages, but would not be used for actual lesson content. Topic pages were common about five years ago, but aren't used much on Wikiversity anymore and tend to not be maintained. I would encourage you to consider moving your project pages to the main space. Otherwise, be sure to create main pages that redirect to your project.

Hey David I already noted the fact that the Topic namespace is not included to search and we were planning to move. I am admin in the German Wikiversity and there the "Kurs" namespace is used therefore the confusion. Do you know of any bot or tool that can do a bulk move? There are plenty of pages that we created... --Renepick (discusscontribs) 14:32, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I am not aware of any mass move tool. I just double-checked, and I don't even see one available for custodians. I could try to create a bot for it, but you might have your course done before I can get around to it. :-) -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:45, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Yeah I was thinking about writing a bot. I don't know if this is easy or not and if it is not quicker to ask an assistent student to move all pages by hand.--Renepick (discusscontribs) 18:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
It depends on whether you are comfortable with Python or can get it to work on your system. I installed a Mac version and tried it, but with no success. I switched to writing my own in PowerShell. It's a course I teach, so it was a good excuse to learn PowerShell better. I have no need for Python, and wasn't able to get the Perl version to function, either. I've shared my library at MediaWiki_API/PowerShell. I don't have move functions built in yet, just edit (append). -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:25, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

2) When an author requests deletion of a page based on author request, it should be the original author making that request. If there's another reason, it's preferred to use the {{delete}} tag instead, and then put the reason (moved, combined with other page, etc.). The other advantage of using the {{delete}} tag is that you don't need add text anywhere else. It shows up automatically in the speedy deletion category.

as for deletion we will use the {{delete}} template next time. i know that SteffenStaab and I have different user accounts but we are running the course together and can somewhat be seen as one author. --Renepick (discusscontribs) 14:32, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I recognized the collaborative approach, and also confirmed that SteffenStaab had logged in and was likely aware of your deletion request before I processed it. I'm sure you understand that sometimes collaboration works well, and sometimes the deletion request is just an opportunity to drag a third party into the controversy. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:45, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
yeah that is indeed something that could happen. So thanks for checking and as I said i will use the other way next time. --Renepick (discusscontribs) 18:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Please let me know if you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I do have other questions. Currently we are not really using categories or boxes to tag our learning resources. Also we hare not to happy with the templating mechanisms. Latest when the course is over but potentially much earlier we want to annotate our materials. what are the best practices in the English wikiversity?
Like you, I'm not a fan of the Category boxes. But I do use Categories. I also created my own {{hide}} template to add the boxes at the bottom of a page but hide them from display. I would encourage you to use either a [[Category:<something>]] or an appropriate category box, hidden if you prefer.
What are you looking to do with the templates? There is a new Lua option available that is much more flexible. I've dabbled in it a little, but there are very good Lua examples on Wikipedia.
The problem is, that I store a lot of information on the Lesson pages e.g. Topic:Web_Science/Part1:_Foundations_of_the_web/Web_Architecture/Web_Content/Working_with_XML which is similar to the information stored on Topic:Web_Science/Part1:_Foundations_of_the_web/Web_Architecture/Web_Content the problem is about consistency. It would be nice to have a way of automating this. Especially it is really annoying to link prev and next lessons within the lesson templates even though this information is kind of encoded in the table. But I guess besides lua which would cost me some time there is also no other way than handwork. --Renepick (discusscontribs) 18:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
It is possible to include pages into other pages. You can write it once and then copy in the content. I use this for my sidebars. I also use those for navigation, but I like your design as well. But not for building structure. That we still need to do the hard way. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:25, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how you want to annotate. You could use the talk page, or you could use one of the collapsible templates. I created one called {{collapsible}} that might meet your needs, because that one is more flexible in the style used inside. There are also collapsible navboxes available that include a box header. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:45, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
also we are planning to create more verbose scripts to each of our topics. should we do this in wikibooks or rather as subpages here in wikiversity? There is really much open questions from our side and feedback as well as hints are highly wellcome. best regards --Renepick (discusscontribs) 14:32, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
This is really a developer preference. I have a colleague who has students developing a textbook for their class, very similar to what User:Jtneill does here. But she's using Wikibooks rather than Wikiversity. She likes the fact that other non-class users get in and edit with the students, helping them to see different ways to present their information. If you post here as subpages, the content is very likely to be left alone as you create and maintain it. I have several projects here that are getting five to ten hits a day, and I've only seen one or two minor edits in the past year.
how come content in wikibooks receives more attention than wikiversity? Our goal was to interlink course sites from the corresponding wikipedia articles since the learning material is relevant. I was sure that this would yield a collaborative boost and this would also be warmly welcomed --Renepick (discusscontribs) 18:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Wikiversity really is a quiet place these days. I think the problem is that there aren't many people who know how to write lessons well, and most people who can prefer to be paid for their efforts. But you are warmly welcomed! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:25, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
What I would encourage you to do with this is use Special:Book to create a collection of your work for student download. My students have found this approach very helpful. Take a look at Internet protocol analysis for an example.
Keep asking. I'll help as much as I can. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:45, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I already checked your lesson Internet protocol analysis which I am already linking to from loads of our pages in part1 (for further reading) actually I also took over some of your exercises of analyzing traffic with wireshark (thanks for sharing by the way). On your course I also found your book. So several months ago I created w:Book:Web_Science following your example but I was not sure if that was the best way because I would not want just to append various wikipedia articles since they are not written well for studying and for the later chapters of our course there are not enough wikipedia articles. So I have to see what the best way would be. --Renepick (discusscontribs) 18:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Moving Pages[edit source]

I now have a Move-Title function I can use to automate page moves. I don't recommend making any changes while your class is running, but when the live class is over, let me know and we can look at moving the Topic: pages to resource pages. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:10, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

hey dave thanks a lot for your replay. I am looking forward to do this together. Soon I will also implement some lua templates to have more generation of course pages --Renepick (discusscontribs) 17:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Comments / Suggestions on our seminar topic[edit source]

Hi rene , Please check out User:Pavithrans/Copyright_and_Law for mine and User:Rouslan.kv division of topics, is it appropriate , please check and comment/suggest . --P A V I (discusscontribs) 05:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

hello pavi I think this looks ok. I would just pay a little bit attention. Creative commons and free software have similar ideas but creative commons licence in particular is not a very good licence for free and open source software. --Renepick (discusscontribs) 17:37, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

DNS SFrH table[edit source]


Hallo und Glückwunsch zum fOERder-Award[edit source]

Hallo Rene,

Glückwunsch noch einmal zum fOERder-Award! Kannst du mich mal per E-Mail anpingen, damit ich deine Adresse habe (du findest meine Adresse unter )? Auf b:de:Wikibooks:Verbesserungsvorschläge#MOOC-Extension_f.C3.BCr_Wikibooks habe ich auch deine Extension angekündigt. Kannst du hier ggf. weitere Links zur Dokumentation dieser Extension ergänzen?

Viele Grüße,

Stephan Kulla (discusscontribs) 11:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Flow discussions?[edit source]

Hi Renepick! I noticed T134347 and am just wondering: does this mean that Flow is or will be enabled on Wikiversity? That sounds great! — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 08:18, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

This is not clear yet. We hope that Flow would come! In General the community decides what is needed. So if we need flow we can create a poll the Colloquium--Renepick (discusscontribs) 08:15, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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