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You do not need to be an educator to edit. You only need to be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage. See you around Wikiversity! --Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:15, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


Hi! I noticed your recent contributions to Ukulele. Keep in mind that Wikiversity's goal isn't to duplicate Wikipedia, but rather to provide learning opportunities, often based on Wikipedia content. We try to follow a "learn by doing" model where users are able to apply what they are learning. You might consider adding links to YouTube videos that show people playing the Ukulele, or instructions on learning how to play. Let me know if you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:21, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

I heartily concur with your observations. Forgive my experiments, I was mostly trying to learn how to use the code correctly. My intention is to try hosting courses here within the next few months and I knew I'd need a ukulele page for that. I figured it would be silly to reinvent the wheel so I figured I'd start with the intro from Wikipedia and then add the resources I create when they are ready. At this point I'm just getting to know the environment here so feel free to offer suggestions as to how I can improve my interaction with wikiversity! BTW, I wondered if you might know where to find the makers of projects that study wikiversity's educational process? I've been doing a case study on the 10,000 hour theory for 5 years and it's encouraged me to branch into some other ed psych experiments that would fit in very well here. I'm having a bit of a hard time navigating, so let me know if you know where I might find folks who have an interested in studying collaborative education? Thanks! --Jon michael swift (discusscontribs) 11:40, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
That's great! Most of the time, people come here thinking we need to duplicate Wikipedia. It's refreshing to have someone focused on learning. You're definitely on the right track. If you haven't already, consider turning on the meta:VisualEditor. That can make it easier to get started. I would also recommend looking at Wikiversity:Statistics. That gives you an idea of what users come to Wikiversity for. Regarding finding others, the Wikiversity:Colloquium is the (only) place for that. And for collaborative education, see Collaborative Learning. A few of us actively use Wikiversity for collaborative learning projects. As you find things that confuse or frustrate you, let us know. We don't see things with a fresh vision anymore, so it's harder for us to know what needs to be fixed to be more inviting to newcomers. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the welcome and advice! I'll only offer a few thoughts that you might find helpful. I'm planning on involving my private music students in projects in this page, but I expect it will be quite onerous for them to learn to use this editing software. I'll encourage them to do it nonetheless or else I'll do it myself, but the #1 thing I think will challenge me is the learning curve of my students with working in the wiki format. It's definitely intimidating to non-coding types. It won't stop me though, I'm pretty persistent! I'll try the visual editor, but as much as can be done in the future to make the editing process user-friendly I think would help me get more people involved.
I hope I can add something meaningful to the community and I thank you again for your attention to my participation! --Jon michael swift (discusscontribs) 19:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Definitely turn on the VisualEditor. It's at the top of the page under Preferences / Beta features. That should make it possible for your students to contribute without learning to code. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Course Structure[edit]

Hi! I noticed your post at [1] regarding course structure. This might be a good question for the Wikiversity:Colloquium. Wikiversity does have a strong user interest in courses based on visits to the Category:Courses page. From a naming perspective, the topic of the course, without "Introduction to" seems most effective. See IT Fundamentals for a popular course that starts the IT degree sequence. The sequence is about half done at this point. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Good points all. Here's my main dilemma; I have a pretty clear structure for my content and the current music school seems to have an alternative structure. I think I see what you mean about folks who want to 'repeat wikipedia.' If you look at the Music Portal that the instruments are outlined by types but not necessarily as departments that focus on their technique. I'm trying to decide how much I'd have to restructure them to reflect a difference between groups that teach 'about' instruments instead of 'playing technique.' I also have a lot of practical projects I'd like to organize which have a somewhat complex interralationship with different instruments and I can't entirely decide where they should go. I'll sort it out in time, it'll just take a bit to come up with the right approach. good points about the visual editor, btw, that was really helpful!
According to Wikipedia:Outline of music, music should be organized as indicated there. Dewey shows it as [2]. I don't know that either organizational approach is going to draw students into a given course. Most people find Wikiversity content by looking for the content rather than through the portal that introduces it. See Wikiversity:Statistics/2016/03. Users search for what they want directly. The first school is item 80. The first portal is item 192. Category:Courses is 17. Even the main Wikiversity:Browse category page is down at 26, and that's with it being the second link on the menu. Create courses to teach what you want to teach and tag them as courses. Organizing a portal around those courses will be relatively easy, and can either be automated by categories, or set up manually with different approaches. See Portal:Arts as one example. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:44, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I play by ear. Wikiversity has this extremely random ad hoc nature about it even though many have attempted to structure it in various ways. The main thing is that it exists as a resilient domain hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. That's miraculous enough. From my perspective, any content added will have a place to "reside" - just make sure you add some Category:Music details that help it get noticed. BTW: I like this - Heart of Life Guitar Lesson - Pluck and Chuck Guitar Series Song #12 - that is a great teaching style and most appropriate here! Welcome. CQ (discusscontribs) 19:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)


You're making excellent progress on German Home Immersion School. I noticed a couple of additional related pages for exercises and teachers. Because any language might have immersion exercises and immersion teachers, we need to make these subpages of the main page so that they are unique to this learning project. See the changes I made at [3] to see how this is accomplished. It can also be done with full links rather than shortcuts, but the abbreviated links will continue to work if you decide to rename this project in the future. Let me know if you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention and help on this! I see how you do the switches, and I'll just make a note that I couldn't find any way to make these changes in the visual editor. I'm happy to do them in source, but is there anyone I should notify about the need to make those options available in visual editing? I expect to be doing piecemeal additions especially over the next few weeks so I´ll try to amend things correctly during that time!
Jon michael swift (discusscontribs) 13:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
The problem we have is that Wikipedia has 5 million pages and we have 28K. They don't allow subpages, so there's no real incentive to support them. But if you want, you could try creating a ticket at phabricator: or a comment somewhere under meta:VisualEditor. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:54, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Such is life, I guess. I'll make a ticket but won't expect anything.Jon michael swift (discusscontribs) 17:16, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Correction, I'm going to let it go. It appears to be a sour point and I'm just gonna do it from source. Let me know if I make any more mistakes in that regard!

Jon michael swift (discusscontribs) 17:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)