User talk:Jenny O

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Hello Jenny O, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon Button sig.png in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

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Hello Jenny O, we are the Baah and Bahh twins and we'd both like to welcome you to Wikiversity. While you sit back and explore Wikiversity, enjoy some of our fresh goat milk. You can help us learn by creating new learning resources or help us by improving the guided tours and other exploration tools. We look forward to seeing you around. Baaaahbye for now.


Hello Jenny, you uploaded earlier this nice picture. This fits to our mascots above :-) Who knows we could create a new mascot family with this picture (see Wikiversity:Mascot contest) ? This certainly would also fit to these pictures: commons:Sheep. More about how to integrate images, tables, video, and sounds in your contributions here.

Do you have any source for this picture ? Then you could add also a licence to it (see the Wikiversity:License tags). So, if e.g. you would want to add the GNU Free Documentation License to the picture, you click here and paste: {{GFDL}} (including the curly brackets). ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 13:45, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. The image is deleted now (see above: the link behind the word "this" is red - showing the file does not exist anymore in public). Unfortunately you don't have yet the tools to delete it. If you are interested one day - you can become a Wikiversity:Custodian. You can ask James about this - he is one :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 00:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Jenny: How did you get your user page to look so neat and tidy? What I would like to know is how to keep paragraphs separate - I have had trouble editting mine, especially lately when I want things on a different line or to start a new paragraph - when I save my user page all the text just wraps around in one big blob. See my notes on Ch.9 and 12. Betsy, 23 August 2008, 7.30pm

ping, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 00:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks also to you and the other participants. You help us extend our learning resources + activities. I will try to read more - not so much time lately :-( If you have the possibility please spread the rumor that there is the Wikiversity:Chat - most of the times people there can find a fast solution for most of the wiki problems. Then you all can just concentrate on pursuing your tasks. See you, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 00:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments Jenny, its nice to know somebodies reading my stuff! I love reading everybodys and seeing the different stuff people come up with, but yours is definetly a stand out! Well done :) - Cat Vaughan

Hey Jenny,

Just checked out your page and in a word I would say awesome! I am very impressed by your dedication to the page and hope I can 

become even half as motivated at some point. And in answer to one of your tutorial points, in the tute I was in I did not notice a lack of enthusiasm in classifying themselves in a group with more social sensitive questions though we did seem to giggle more...perhaps a sign of nervousness? Either way it was a lot of fun! ----MandaG

Jenny - Thanks for your comments re formatting - I mentioned on my discussion page that it is really quite nice and also a bit humbling to have people come in and leave comments in your discussion page. Thanks, again. Betsy, 30 August.

Jenny, I have tried to import some pictures from WikiCommons, however when I type in the license agreement nothing seems to happen - did you find this also initially? Betsy, 31 Aug.

Hi again[edit]

Hey Jenny, Once again enjoying going through your ideas on the topics and thanks for the link to the IAT tests they were fantastic to explore and thankfully did not reveal too much disturbing information about my character ;). Look forward to future postings. MandaG

Jenny - I have only just printed out a new timetable outline: I see we have no lectures for four weeks! and as I read it our next tutorial is after the mid-sem break, week beginning 23 Sept. - is this your understanding? Betsy 2 Sept

Some feedback[edit]

I realise for all your effort both on your page, and helping others, your e-portfolio really does warrant more feedback and comment from me! Perhaps there is a social psychological phenomenon here - i.e., due to the perceived competence of the work, there is less natural inclination to dive in and offer constructive feedback. Or perhaps that's a rationalisation on my part. Anyway, looking through, the material is very rich, and much of it is worthy of one of the intentions/hopes I have down the track for a student-written social psychology textbook! I know we've talked a little about dissatisfactions with the textbook perspective(s) - for me, that makes student-expressed perspectives all the more important. I like the way you are taking key topics and expanding on them, with a combination of your reading, viewpoints, and examples. And you've really mastered ways to link to a variety of other content, including but not limited to Wikipedia resources (note I've done some edits to show internal linking style to Wikipedia). I also see you've dug into the altnerative textbook chapters on e-reserve, and are finding multimedia resources, referring to experiments, etc. Really, I'm not sure that there is anything I imagined that the e-portfolios might or could be which your e-portfolio isn't a wonderful example of! On top of that, you're clearly going out of your way very genuinely to support other's as they tackle the challenge of sharing their own reflections. Congratulations. Sincerely, -- Jtneill - Talk - c 12:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


“However, we are also able to learn to constrain aggression through cultural learning and socialisation.” I like this idea because I would like to think that countries that say no to violence don’t have any. However if this is indeed true how do we explain cultures that advocate peace but still have a high percentage of individuals that are aggressive? In one of my tutorials most people agreed that behaviour is primarily situational or culturally based but in this case that idea appears to fall flat. It would seem each week we progress in social psychology the more complex it appears. Yet again a very good reflection Jenny!MandaG Talk

Re: Advice on page overload[edit]

breaking into sections: well I guess you can divide in many ways (e.g. by chapter as you have now) and making a short summary to awake the appetite for the reader and then say: click here to read more. Or some other division criteria (e.g. at the moment you sort probably as many other participants, but why not sort after topic you liked most - so you have a prio - it may be confusing for others but it helps you (and also differentiates you, when James reviews it - imagine he must read x pages and all in the same style and same topic - I guess you could win points if you make it in another way/style than other participants - not that I now put pressure on you :-() - who says sorting must be useful for others ? :-) it must be so, that it makes you happy).
If you just don't want to see the warning message (because I use some browsers and so far this - "some browsers may have problems" - didn't happen much, but who knows, all is just depending on some certain conditions ) you can do it like this:

  • example: go here
  • edit it - as you can see there is not a warning msg (because subpages 2007 September to 2008 August are used), but still all subpages are displayed in 1 page
  • if you scroll down in the browser (not in the editbox) you can click the subpages for editing

I hope it is clear - if you need help with such a realization, drop me anytime a msg - really. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jenny, you asked about the warning that appears on editing your page - probably it is "WARNING: This page is 35 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections.". This can largely be ignored I think. 35kbs is not much (so it is arguably an overly sensitive warning). And it is mainly for your editing - I suspect it could be much longer with no problems. Having said this, it may well make sense in terms of organising your page to put much of it into subpages. You can also show the full content of the subpages on the main page if you wish - as Erkan as shown above (another example - edit or view source of my user page or Social psychology (psychology) and you'll see that most of the content is on the subpages, but is shown on the pages in question. We can help to do that - 1st step though is to move (i.e., copy and paste) content into subpages. You can also use the dynamic pull-down boxes I've got on my user page. I seem to get mixed feedback about whether people like that, but ultimately my user page is for my own use, and it works for me. Here's some code for a dynamic pull-down box:

Hope this helps. Let me know how we can help - this is now starting to get a bit technical, but more than happy to help. Like anything, once its "set-up", it's pretty easy. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Ghosts of Rwanda[edit]

I am wondering whether you think it was "The abandonment of normal social and cultural controls" or perhaps rather something like manipulation of these which contributed? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi James, I am not too sure - in a way they were manipulated. What I'm really trying to say (as I mentioned in the tutorial) is there are certain "rules of war" (almost social and cultural mores) that I felt were completely disregarded in this conflict. In that respect these people were so out of control that the most fundamental controls of human society were abandoned. May be that's a very ignorant Western view! Jenny O 04:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
The "rules of war" opens up a line of discussion / thinking that I hadn't really considered before with the Rwandan genocide. My sense was that the Rwandan Patriotic Front probably considered themselves "at war" and that they're methods were more "conventional", whereas the extreme Hutu militias and power-brokers were operating out of a different, non-conventional set of values/rules. But were they completely out of control? I can think of several instances of conscious restraint influenced by external social influence evident in Ghosts of Rwanda - e.g., they stopped attacking Red Cross convoys after publicisation of the issue. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 01:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi James, Yes, I take your point. There were several instances in the film where external social influences changed the behaviour of the extremist Hutus e.g., the personal appeal to the extremist leader Colonel Theoneste Bagosora by Philippe Gaillard (Red Cross) to stop the killing (the film claims the Red Cross was able to save 65,000 lives as Philippe challenged the extremist government), and Carl Wilken’s (Aid Worker) personal appeal to Prime Minister Kambanda to save the children in the orphanage surrounded by Interahamwe (which also paid off). Are these indicators of emerging Hutu cognitive dissonance or do you think this demonstrates a need to maintain a public self-image (self-presentation) particularly to outsiders (i.e., non-Rwandans)? Or is this an example of the discontinuity effect (i.e., groups are more extreme and often more hostile than individuals)? Or both!! Jenny O 04:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


Hey Jenny nice job with the reformatting. MandaG 12:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC)MandaG

I second that - very snazzy! -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jenny Yes I drew my diagrams in powerpoint and then uploaded them to Wiki commons Kate --Khayne 01:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Western domination of social psychology[edit]

I don't have any particular ideas for the adjunct essay pages, other than to offer a collaborative workspace for sharing ideas on the essay topic. So, mainly, make it useful for you, as you are doing. Maybe ask questions if you have some. Ideally I had thought we might present all our essays on Wikiversity, but I pulled back from that ambition to focus instead on e-portfolios. I'm wondering whether you've been able to identify any useful books or chapters or papers on "Eastern psychology"? I think we had "Eastern psychology" as a blog topic last year and someone wrote a blog essay. Might be one angle of inquiry. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 05:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks James, I'll have a look at "Eastern" psychology. So far most of it seems to be East Asian "Eastern"...but I am also looking for more on other "non-Western" (e.g., Sth American, African, Western Europe, Western Asian). Jenny O 07:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
As we discussed, let's consider a refocusing of the question. In addition to narrowing the topic and removing "what can be done about it", it has been occurring to me that "domination" might be changed to something like "influence". -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes - thanks James. I think removing the second part of the question makes it a bit more manageable. I also think influence is a more appropriate word. I'll do some more work on it and see how I go. Jenny O 02:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Image options[edit]

You're finding some nice ways to present and use images. FYI, another option, just so that you're aware of it, is "gallery" - here's an example edit to gallery style. and an explanation of the syntax: w: Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial#Photo_gallery -- Jtneill - Talk - c 06:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks James. Yes I did see that you had added a gallery to Khayne's page - I copied it but decided not to use it but it prompted me to add some text to my own version of the gallery. So thanks for the link to the picture tutorial - I'll see what I can come up with in future Jenny O 07:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Your images[edit]

Where did you find them? --Devourer09 04:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Devourer09, All of my images are taken from Wikimedia Commons (after a lot of searching in all kinds of categories!) Jenny O 05:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh yeah, that would make sense. Thanks. --Devourer09 16:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


Any page you don't want can be deleted by a custodian; you can flag it for deletion by adding {{delete my page}} at the top of the page. To add a subpage you can make a link from another page (it will red and first, click on it, add something and save. Or try this:

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 05:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

That subpage list at the bottom of your page should be populated automatically. Is there a subpage you've created that you think isn't showing? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 07:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes. That's what I mean. I created the subpages 'Groups' and 'Prosocial Behaviour' and neither showed up on the list. Jenny O 07:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Jenny. You created these two pages in the "main" namespace, and not as your user-sub-pages. The prefix-index lists pages starting with your username. I have moved one of the pages for you as an illustration. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 09:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you James and Hillgentleman, My mistake. I can now see what I have done wrong and have corrected it. Sorry to waste your time! Jenny O 09:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

E-portfolio Feedback for Jenny O[edit]

Hi Jenny O,

Thanks for participating in the social psychology unit. I have read your e-portfolio and have provided some feedback below. The marks will put be posted on WebCT 24 or 25 November. I will email the discussion list when they are available. Feel free to let me know if you have any comments, concerns, questions. I also welcome your feedback here.


Strong evidence of very regular and thorough engagement across any aspects of the unit (HD)


A very high quality/depth of engagement, reflection, knowledge, etc. about each of the topics is provided, including mastery of the wiki environment, links, references, images, with very good evidence of independent thinking, yet also the capacity to communicate and develop ideas. (HD)


Congratulations, this is an exemplar e-portfolio indicating outstanding engagement throughout semester. It has gone above and beyond the call of duty and offers an exemplar for other participants in both social psychology and more broadly as a demonstration of the value of high quality student-work on Wikiversity! I also appreciate the critical reflections and suggestions - they are very helpful from my point of view.


Sincerely, James Neill - talk - email

P.S. If you are dissatisfied with the marking and feedback, please see the marking dispute process.