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Draft:Demonstration of the No Relativity of Time

Hi Green Giant!

Regarding the deletion of Draft:Demonstration of the No Relativity of Time and its talk page, there is a discussion: Talk:WikiJournal of Science#Declined articles: what happens to reviews if the draft is deleted? regarding keeping submissions to the WikiJournal of Science in perpetuity, in Draft ns. Also, Irrefutable Truths of Life has been deleted and should be kept. While these submissions are hardly worthy of submission for outside peer review, we decided to keep them much as PLOS Topic Pages are also retained on their website in perpetuity.

Can you restore these and their talk pages and place them in Draft: ns? We may want to add a prefix at some point in time but our EiC can probably do that.

Thank you in advance for your kind attention to this matter! --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 17:57, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

@Marshallsumter: I see your point but this needs to be a matter of policy rather than referring to a talkpage discussion for future references. I would disagree with the idea of keeping drafts indefinitely. There needs to be an incentive to move the draft towards publication stage. From what I can see, the page was not materially updated for since December 2017. I'm not sure PLOS is the only example we should look to. On English Wikipedia, drafts are deleted if they are not worked on for six months. I think that’s an example of something ENWP does right. Also, as a curator, I cannot restore deleted pages. Technically, as a steward, of course I can restore it but in this instance I have to wear the curator hat. --Green Giant (discuss • contribs) 03:33, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback! These were submittals to the WikiJournal of Science. They don't need to be in Draft: ns. Draft: ns was suggested and generally agreed to. They could remain as WikiJournal preprints, for example. But we have agreed that the WikiJournals should keep their submittals even when rejected whether sent out for peer review or not. This may not require a policy decision by Wikiversity as it is a WikiJournals' decision. I'll @Evolution and evolvability: to get his opinion. --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 06:20, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

I'll raise it on talk:WikiJournal User Group and as an agenda item at the next meeting. Preprint servers like Arxiv and OSF generally only allow page deletion under specific circumstances that are actually quite similar to wikimedia projects. Although we've previously defaulted to Wikiversity policies (particularly WV:CSD #5) my preference would be to model on something similar to established preprint servers. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)^talk 06:44, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

@Marshallsumter: sorry if I wasn’t clear on this. What I meant is that it should be written up as a WJ policy and added to the list at WV:POLICY. As long as WJ remains within WV, such a policy would be also a WV policy. It should also be noted at WV:D as a reason to keep a page. We should not be consulting talk page discussions when deciding whether to delete a page. --Green Giant (discuss • contribs) 08:46, 5 January 2020 (UTC)