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Learning Projects[edit]

Merhaba Erkan. Buradaki Learning Project içindeki dersler (lessons) subpage olarak mı oluşturulmalı (Project/Lesson ??) Srhat 10:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Burada hic birsey bir kuralla göre olmali degil. :-)
learning projeler nasil olursa olsun - tek biz istiyoruz ki adamlar katilsin.
Ama istersen chatde yine konusalimmi ? ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 15:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thucydides and Bryson[edit]

Hi Erkan,

I want to contact user Enlil again on Thucydides. He was very interested. I think the reading groups/organized debate groups will have a very slow start and that people will drop by one by one. Keeping Enlil on board would be good for the continuance of the project. I could continue reading Thucydides with Enlil alone, or with you in it as well if you want to.

Do you still want to continue on Bryson and A Short History of nearly Everything? If you don't want to, i don't mind. I think i pushed it too much on the chat and i did quit on the wikilearning project. :-) --Daanschr 12:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, if Enlil is already there and willing, let's do the Thucydides. We are about 25% through. But let's see how we will progress next, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 15:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Enlil doesn't respond yet. Don't know if he will.--Daanschr 06:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hope dies at last :-)
Did you send him an email or contact him at WP ? ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 15:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe he will respond after a while. he says he is on brake untill 1 august, so it will take a while. Let's wait for a week or so.--Daanschr 16:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, I hope I can start already until then reading Thucydides, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course. But, we don't have a date yet for discussion. Do you agree to read more of the text before a discussion. Perhaps a whole book. The discussion can happen after the book is read.--Daanschr 20:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I am not sure about a complete book. Smaller parts would be finer for me, they are more realizable (and if there is more time, there will be read more anyway). ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 15:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we can do two kinds of assessments of the text. One in which it is checked whether a certain amount of text has been read and one in which the text is further analyzed. The first assessment can be solely on the text of the week itself, while the other is about making a comparison between the text read and other parts of the source being used.--Daanschr 16:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, we can do many things. BUt let me try if I can start reading tomorrow a little bit, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 18:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Sounds great.--Daanschr 18:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's wait: I must get acclimated again - to see if I get the lust for it again. :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 18:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

If Enlil doesn't come, than we can better read Bryson. I think you might really like him and i hope to get people interested in natural sciences. There is a major public interested in it.--Daanschr 07:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Waiting is good. If you ever want to continue, than i am available. In the meanwhile we could sometimes chat. Bye :-)--Daanschr 10:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, plan was to read yesterday something, but I got caught up in social psychology (see below thread). Let's see when I will do more. About chat: well, you knwo where we can meet :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 10:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to social psychology[edit]

Thanks Erkan for your efforts engaging with social psychology students' e-portfolios. I think maybe you worked down the sortable list to find who had contributed? If you have other ideas for ways to "organise"/"sort" the collection of student contributions, let me know. Last year I created aggregated blog feeds, but this year will probably not reach in that direction because RSS pushing and pulling is in the developmental basket for us.

It is of course perfectly wonderful what you have been doing - the students will very much appreciate it - and I am learning much from your editing too! I have tried to inform them that they may get help and interaction from around the world - and that the more they contribute the more likely they are to attract edits of others. And of course anything they don't want, they can revert.

I also took the liberty of adding you to Social psychology (psychology)/Staff for your contributions already :) Welcome aboard. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 22:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I worked down the list to find if someone wrote already something. RSS would be probably a faster way for the students since the info reaches them without any action needed by them. But on the other hand: while being at WV they can learn/explore more about a wiki in general and I am sure some of the things they observe they can use for the class also (I also saw that someone experimented with the things in your lecture in the Colloquium (Wikiversity:Colloquium#The Question of Identity.) or was this pure coincidence ?). And who knows one or two might stay and then as you do now attract others again to WV :-)
I guess you still remember this - had also to be done manually. So who knows, perhaps for the future we can write a template that future course creators can use right from the start.
I guess it would be good for the students if they knew the "watch list" (will add the participants also now to my watch list). The majority does not use images to relax their texts (but on the other hand searching a picture also takes time). I guess all will come when they are more experienced with the wiki syntax.
It is actually interesting for me in this kind: I don't attend the lecture (e.g. don't hear your voice and examples, but I zapped through the 2 lecture slides yesterday) and get by the contributions a glance of what you did/said. So, it is some kind of puzzle game for me. If there would be no info loss (teacher -> student -> WV) and they can communicate this again good to here and I perceive the info as they want it and not like I want it. I would have the same info then without attending. In theory :-) Well, let's see how it goes on. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 07:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick response here, the 'long-term' challenge for me is close the 'gap' you speak to - i.e., between what is available to the 'on-campus' participant and what is available at the moment to the 'worldwide' participant. Most of that gap is due to 'old institutional' practice e.g., I am still using a proprietary textbook with copyrighted/password protected resources until I have access to a sufficiently developed wikibook. Perhaps I should or will next time set the students the task of writing parts of such a book. Also, the insitution doesn't make it too easy to openly share recorded lectures. But these are kind of happy challenges to have :) even if not ideal yet for the 'worldwide' participant. BTW - I am trying to improve Lecture 2.0 to explain the ideas some more. We have some (good) debate about this now on campus and hopefully a more formal live debate coming up in September. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 11:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I guess all needs just time so people get used to change. Probably it is hard for people to let go of their current belief sets. Who knows what the future will bring with a new generation/the right mindset of people. Until then I am happy to join the experiment you make here. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 12:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the main reason for the seclusion into institutionalism is quality-control. A wiki-book needs to adjust to a certain quality, which implies that not everybody will be allowed to write it. The issue at stake is wether the internet can add something to academic practise. The best the internet can offer is wide communication possibilities between people. But at the moment, there is too much chaos and too less quality in order to make the internet usefull.--Daanschr 12:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


You'll be getting a request for identification shortly [1] :-). See you in the morning. --SB_Johnny | talk 02:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Info send and you seem still to sleep :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 07:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Terry Ananny[edit]

Hello Erkan Yilmaz. I edit at Wikipedia and noticed that an article that has been deleted there was created here by a blocked sockpuppet of the artist herself. I'm not familiar with the policies at Wikiversity (are they pretty much the same as at Wikipedia?), and in particular those concerning notability and sockpuppet activity. Is this article within Wikiversity guidelines? I will check back at my Wikiversity user talk page in case you reply there. Thanks, Freshacconci 01:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

When the page first appeared here I had a look at the deletion discussion and read the page itself here and also made a comment on the talk page (though that the user removed my comments a few times on the talk page without commenting is not so nice :-)). At that time I didn't see something to delete it. The Wikiversity:Mission is listed and if the user wants to start her learning activities here with a self presentation that is fine for me. Who knows in the end she may also upload some pictures which then all can use ? Let's just see what will happen. I am only one voice here (and probably a too liberal one). It certainly will also be helpful to also ask others, e.g. Wikiversity:Request custodian action or Colloquium. About Wikiversity:Policies: I think we have less strict policies than at WP - that lies in the nature of the project. WP is for creating objective encyclopedic articles while we want to foster learning (communities) and the more policies you have the less freedom people have and perhaps might be less creative ? My definition of learning is a very broad one: learning is a mental change and what can help to achieve this is fine for me. You are free to edit the page as you would like to see and/or add your improvement ideas on the talk page or move it to: User:Terry Ananny. I will also try to contact the author (will see if I can find an email on some of the private pages) so we get also her future ideas here at WV.
With blocked accounts I guess you mean ?
Send an email, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 18:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Terry Ananny Canadian UNICEF Artist[edit]

Hello Erkan, Thank you for your support regarding the article on Canadian UNICEF Artist Terry Ananny. I would like to mention that every effort was made to restore this article to enWikipedia in a respectfull and mannerly way. The article first appeared on enWikipedia in late 2006 and ran without incident or deletion to the spring of 2008. It was then slated for deletion review and then unfairly removed. I say "unfairly" because the motions to "keep" the article were more than to "delete", but it was deleted in the outcome. It appears the editor Freshacconci has his own ideas regarding which articles on art/artists may appear within the enWikipedia structure. It is unclear what criteria Freshacconci uses when making his decisions to delete an arts related article but he cited non-notability as reason for deletion in this case although it would appear that this artist has achieved notability:

Terry Ananny's work has been reproduced nine times on UNICEF greeting cards from 1998 to 2009, Canada Save the Children - work selected in 1999, Children's Wish Foundation of Canada - work selected for card reproduction four times, Canadian Greetings - work selected three times, Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation "Cards for the Cure" work selected two times, Cornerstone 52 Foundation work selected two times, Mt. Sinai Hospital Auxillary, work selected 2007, a feature three page article published by Magazin'Art in 1999, various newspaper articles, references to the artist from 1993 to 2010 in "Biennial Guide to Artists in Galleries", 10 works listed with Canadian Auction Houses, over 1000 paintings in a chronological listing dating from 1993 to present day (numbered and titled) including prominent government collections (Jean Charest, Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien), corporate and private collections, The Ministry of Quebec 2008 video "Art Speaks", CD cover - CPM Distribution, Canadian Health Services Research Foundation work selected for annual report cover 1998, artist references in National Gallery of Canada Library, Art Gallery of Ontario, Musee d'art conemporain de Montreal.

Many citations proving the existence of the above were offered and summarily dismissed by the editor Freshacconci. This same article still appears in Wikipedia Portugal, Spain, Russia, Netherlands and Simple (English).

I would like to see the article re-instated on enWikipedia and seek the help of others in restoring this article.

Sincerely, canadianlibrary user

Well, Wikipedia has their own set of policies/guidelines regarding what should stay or not stay there. The best is to figure this out with interaction with their users. Perhaps you are also interested in this: Ethical Management of the English Language Wikipedia ?
There are many ways to invest ones time. I am always baffled by why contributors go to places still when they are not welcomed. Why waste time ? If I am not wanted somewhere people lose someone. Search yourself another more comfortable place and continue being happy there.
So, perhaps I can motivate you to help us extend our art learning resources and the art community ? Any of the following sounds interesting ? (and if not, why not create something new ? it is a wiki)

Bot username rename[edit]

Hi, I'd like my bot User:Computer to be renamed to User:タチコマ robot. This rename request is per my wikimedia wide bot username rename. I have decided to have a single username to more efficiently use SUL. Thanks.

  • If this is not the right place to make this request, please move it to the right place.

-- Cat chi? 12:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Continuing with Thucydides[edit]

Hi Erkan,

Glen has responded to my talk page. He is interested to read Thucydides.--Daanschr 08:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, interest is always good :-) Let's see what will come out. So, how to approach. I think with my issues it is better to do this more regularly in smaller parts. Otherwise I fear it will not happen. What do you say ? ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I will wait for Glen to respond. I will plead for small parts as well.--Daanschr 07:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Great that you started reading again. My internet connection was down for a couple of days, so i could only respond now. Problem is completely fixed.--Daanschr 10:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Nothing yet, but i will start again before a new meeting. Perhaps this saturday, or shall we wait a week? Enlil has not responded yet, but he wasn't around the last times, so we can do without him for now.--Daanschr 16:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. And if Enlil joins than we could ask him what his preferences are.--Daanschr 19:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Daan, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 19:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


Wouldn't the actions of this user merit an indefinite block? Adambro 14:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

That still can be done in the 2h for sure. I am just thinking about something else where I need feedback. One moment, I would email you later about it ok ? ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 14:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


In case it is still a question, MO = Wikipedia: Modus operandi Emesee 00:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your input[edit]

Hi Erkan

Thanks for your help with our editing. I also enjoy reading your comments. We really appreciate your help. Jenny O

Uploaded picture[edit]

While we are chatting...earlier in this exercise I uploaded a photo from the internet not realising I did not have the copyright to do so. You made a comment about this on my page at that time. I am sorry I didn't respond then - I didn't know how to! Now my question is: How do I remove the photo that I uploaded? Jenny O 00:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Erkan. You are most helpful! I am sure we will speak again soon!Jenny O 00:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the welcome[edit]

Hi Erkan, thanks for the welcome message and the tips, I'll do my best to be useful and I surely hope to stay around here for a long time! Cheers --Yorik 21:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikiversity movie[edit]

Thank you for the reminder on the movie. I'll see what I can do. I hear though that in most cases music is often added after the movie is complete. Nevertheless, I'll think of some 2 minute pompous entrance and exit hymn... and maybe some filler music. Best regards. w:User:CyclePat

Pat, thanks for the response. Any contribution is welcome. We have a big time frame (until 15th August 2009) - I am sure with your and others help we will get this going. When you have created some audio files, tell me please - I am eager to listen. See you soon, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 06:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


Dear Erkan, there is a new request here. Thank you in advance ;). --Lucas (talk)

all right, it works. thanks ;) --Lucas 17:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Requests for_Deletion#Wikiversity:Student union[edit]

I saw it. --JWSchmidt 18:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


I've started to create articles on Wikiversity, am I fine in carrying on doing these stub articles which I'm doing - other's who are interested in them could expand it. Dark Mage 19:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

How to add licence[edit]

Hi, how do I add the Licence at this stage without uploading the images again please? We took/ made most of the images. thank-you. (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nightartschool (talkcontribs) 02:49, 4 September 2008)

Advice on page overload[edit]

Hi Erkan You have been quiet lately - I hope all is well. I would like some advice regarding my Wikiversity page. I have a warning message that the page is getting too big for some browsers to manage. I suspect it needs to be broken into sections. What is the best way to manage this? Jenny O 23:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Erkan
Thank you for your response to my query above. I tried a few tricks this morning but have reverted to my original layout for now. I will review this again when I have a little more time. I really appreciate your assistance. Jenny O 03:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

list of user namespaces[edit]

Hello, thanks for providing a list of my students' user namespaces for the two classes. One of my concerns, which was also raised by some students in my two classes, is that some team may copy from another team's work to pass on as their own work. Hence, it is best not to gather together all team user namespaces in one place so to facilitate even more such plagiarism. In fact, the team name, which is part of the username, is confidential. Each team does not know the team name of the other teams. Could you put this list somewhere, perhaps in your user namespace so that students do not have access to? I suppose that you are a custodian of wikiversity. I am removing these lists from the discussion page of the course wiki pages. Thanks. Eas4200c.f08 10:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

On a second thought, please don't put this list anywhere. Thanks. Eas4200c.f08 11:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, no worries. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 11:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


"are you willing to meet in chat" <-- I'm in there now. I've been busy in the real world ripping off one of my toe nails (ow!). --JWSchmidt 21:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

yes, I did see it[edit]

Talk:Albanian sea port history--JWSchmidt 21:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


How would you rate your proficiency with the english language, both spoken and written? Salmon of Doubt 20:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Since I am no native speaker, probably less than such a person. So far I didn't see much problems in communication with others. I think asking others might help also about this, because I may be influenced in seeing things different on this matter. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 20:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


Hi Erkan, I'm very happy to see you joining the Learning from conflict and incivility and adding your (very honest) thoughts. :-)

Hope it helps also others - for the moment it is about my feelings. You know I see WV also as a place to develop personally. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 08:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Support Staff[edit]

ping. Dark Mage 14:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

ping. Dark Mage 18:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View and the risk of passion corrupting NPOV[edit]

I thought I would share this with you; regarding labels. I have been labeled: learning disabled, emotionally handicapped, retarded, depressed, bipolar and more than I can remember. Ever see this movie: The Pursuit of Happyness? I find many paralells to it in my life, prehaps this why I am so passionate about the integration of recovery in to the study of clinical psychology--recovery psychologist 03:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


Erkan, you were the first to reach out a hand when I ventured onto the shores of Wikiversity earlier this year (and continued to do so). There was a 'little' WV storm between some people, and then this! [2]. We will miss your hand on the tiller for sure. Hugs to you. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 10:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to reaffirm what Jtneill has said; it is somewhat disheartening that you "no longer believe". I hope the conflict has not totally scared you off? The Jade Knight 11:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm with Jade Knight and other's here - if you're thinking of leaving the project please don't, your a valuable editor and a great contributor if you left it'll be a great loss. Just so you know the reason why I don't use IRC is due to the fact that IRC is unsecure, the IP itself is shown - I've placed restrictions on my personal pc so that something like IRC isn't accessible - we all have our likes and dislikes, but please return to us a Custodian and a Bureaucrat or take a wiki-break and then return to us. Dark Mage 11:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Strongly supportive of all the comments here - and in deep solidarity with you, Erkan. I don't like what's happened - but I strongly believe that Wikiversity was being seriously damaged by Moulton's actions. I'm always happy to talk, whenever you like. If you wanted to take a break for a while, I'd completely understand. Cormaggio talk 12:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I feel lately that I have to chose between sides (chat users know what I am talking about). I don't want to do this to any of you - each of you is a dear human being to me.

I am very very disappointed how people treat each other (and I am speaking here about each involved party). This is not what I had in mind especially of this Wikiversity (this relates to the "I once believed") - which was very precious to me. This all now has made me very sad lately, so I will remove myself to find happiness again.

My decision has nothing to do with Moulton (though in my vision of WV I was sure we could help him in longterm to get his inner peace - without making others unhappy). To Dark Mage: my decision has also nothing to do with you - one day you will understand that people from this wiki didn't and don't want to hurt you. Trust the next person - they just want to help you. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment, I originally thought it was me who caused this due to me not being able to access IRC - I'll listen to your advice. Dark Mage 17:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you gone, Erkan?[edit]

Hi Erkan,

I hope you are not gone. Perhaps we can do something else on the internet, like Google chat or something?--Daanschr 15:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Happiness is in the small things, not the big :-)--Daanschr 15:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Daan, I have let you wait so long with the projects you wanted :-( Let's continue to discuss this per email. See you, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikiversity media[edit]

Hey! I've been out for a while, do you think you could let me know how the Wikiversity movie and other media is going? I signed up a while ago and would still like to help. I have experience in film and music programs. Thanks! Mac Davis 15:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

A simple request[edit]

I'd like an apology for .... Centaur of attention 16:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC) (this comment has been trimmed per WV:CIVIL. John Vandenberg (chat) 17:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC))

Centaur of attention: I think you being are rude and hurtful. Erkan, please don't let these bullies drive you away. --JWSchmidt 16:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Centaur of attention: I realize that this is a difficult time for many contributers at wikiversity, but please remain civil and also try to see that Erkan has been making an honest effort to reduce the conflict. I would also like to invite you to share your reflections on anything that you are feeling at Learning from conflict and incivility. --mikeu talk 17:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

To anybody: if my apologies - to any of my actions in the past - makes you happy and makes you contribute in a better way in any wiki, then I apologize with all of my heart. I prepared before another answer (which I assume would not have made Coa happy) - but changed it now to the above, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


Erkan, I have nominated you for custodianship at Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship#Nominations for Full Custodianship. Please take as long as you need, but I really want you to continue serving Wikiversity as a custodian. I miss you. --JWSchmidt 04:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


hi erkan, sometime, would you email me the passwords for a mascot or two? :) -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


I don't know where the previous discussion is -- I don't see it in the archive.

Anyways, about the Internal Belief Systems document:

The author, whose name is Kirtis, basically wants to offer the document on some web-based means of discussion. Presumably this will eventually lead to widespread adoption of the principles discussed in the document, though of course, that depends on what people think of it.

I suggested that he explore copyrighting it. Meanwhile, I want to explore adding references to the work mentioned as crucial to the document's principle, "the Willie Lynch Letter of 1712." Kirtis says that this work is a historical document. It is available at, among other places, <>. There are some other references we should add as well.

I'm going to log out for a while. I will log back in later 2day.

Sorry I wasn't able to log back in last Saturday.[edit]


Sorry I wasn't able to log back in last Saturday.

So how do I go about adding a reference to another work? Do I just say at the end of the entry, as I would in a term paper or thesis, "these are the references"...?

- Steve


Hi! I saw that you've made some edits to the Wikiversity:Mentors page a while back. I've been working on bringing the Mentorship program up to the next level. I'm hoping to model it, to a certain extent, on the Learning4Content program over at WikiEducator. I would appreciate your feedback. --AFriedman 17:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


How to create a new infobox format?????? --User:Tushant Jha


just saying hello cheers j lucychili 02:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


Erkan. See Talk:OpenKollab

Welcome back[edit]

I have been hesitant to say so in case it was an illusion, but welcome back! Smiley.svg -- Jtneill - Talk - c 22:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

It feels great being back, James. I guess time helps with everything. The WV chat is nice as usual (darkcode just made my evening :-)). So much places I need to reexplore again here on WV. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 22:19, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

An olive branch[edit]

Olive branch.svg
-- Jtneill - Talk - c 22:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


Erkan - I am interested in becoming a Wiki user/developer; but can you tell me if there already exists a "Wiki-Books" type module that provides simple abstracts (as opposed to reviews) of contemporary literature in the arts and sciences? Such a module might focus on top selling Amazon books - perhaps grouped by discipline; or it might focus on books having received national and international book awards; or books having large international circulations, etc. Thanks - Peter Hoag (

Hi, these links might be helpful for asking directly people dealing with the Mediawiki and extensions: MediaWiki on IRC and a list of available extensions. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 06:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

custodianship 2010[edit]

Erkan, I posted a question for you at Wikiversity:Community Review/Problematic actions#candidates. Please reply on that page. I think it would be good for Wikiversity if you were a Custodian again. Thanks. --JWSchmidt 15:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

<Erkan_Yilmaz> JWSchmidt, I'd try my luck more with NK atm more
<Erkan_Yilmaz> I know that in the end the same probs will reappear at WV, since not many share our ideals
<Erkan_Yilmaz> too much real life structure people
<JWSchmidt> I think it is worth trying again now that the God King lost his banhammer
<Erkan_Yilmaz> I guess not
<Erkan_Yilmaz> the good time has passed
<Erkan_Yilmaz> once the illusion is away
<Erkan_Yilmaz> it is better to not run after old times
<JWSchmidt> there could be new times that will be even better
<Erkan_Yilmaz> my time on earth is limited with every min + I want to use it with things I can change
<Erkan_Yilmaz> not waste with convincing people who do not want to be convinced
<Erkan_Yilmaz> WMF is a model which is also without me/us successfull
<Erkan_Yilmaz> it is worth trying to build something else than this model
<JWSchmidt> why not try both ways?
<Erkan_Yilmaz> I'm like the UK proverb: either shit or honey

Ref: here is now a redirect. What about the [[User talk:Prof.Vivek S)

here is now a redirect. What about the [[User talk:Prof.Vivek S) Pl. Delete the talk etc as well. Thanks


If it is thy wish to get something deleted: ask the custodians. If you ask me: just use the edit-button! ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 11:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Karlsruher Wikimedia-Stammtisch[edit]

Hallo Erkan! Möchtest du dieses Jahr vielleicht wieder zum überregionalen Wikimedia-Stammtisch in Karlsruhe kommen? Ich glaube es wäre eine große Bereicherung, wenn wir auch Teilnehmer aus anderen Wikimedia-Projekten als Wikipedia dabei hätten! Grüße, --Church of emacs 23:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

mal gugge, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 21:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

OER Course delay?[edit]

any thoughts of when it'll get going? i'm still interested --Charles Jeffrey Danoff 17:22, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, Hans (and Teemu) just said: postponed to unfuture date :-( ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat 19:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Some more: I contacted most of the participants who wished to continue 9 days ago, but no feedback by anyone yet. It crossed my mind while writing the answer above: to also run the course (I mean, I participated in 2008 + know some things on OER myself ;-)), but well ... ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat 19:10, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer, lemme know if you change your mind. For future reference while running a course on Wikiversity would be awesome that doesn't seem to be the general way most users interact with this, you might want to check out P2PU a site designed for free online courses, my guess'd be you'd get more people willing to commit. --Charles Jeffrey Danoff 21:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Moving pages[edit]

Do you know how to move pages. The SPIR608 course names omitted an s at the end of the "simulation_" and I have been asked to move them. Can you point me in the right direction here.

ThanksLeutha 22:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

There is a move-button available. In case you use a new skin, it may be hidden left to the search box. In case you do not find it: you can also move manually: add to this url + / and then the page name and that should be hopefully all, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 23:31, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow, it was all quite painless really. Thanks a lot for that.Leutha 05:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Your resignation as a 'crat and sysop in 2008[edit]

[3] appears to be a voluntary resignation with no "cloud." Circumstances on Wikiversity have drastically changed since then, there is no serious prospect of outside interference, and, as examples of how far we have come, User:Moulton is unblocked and participating without the sky falling, not yet, anyway. User:Thekohser, also blocked by superuser action in 2010, has been unblocked, without massive earthquakes or the Signs of the Last Days. At least not attributable to Thekohser!

However, we very much need more experienced custodians. Will you consider requesting a 'crat restore your bits? If you wish to see more formal process, you could make a request at Wikiversity:Candidates for custodianship. Mu301 restored the resigned bits of User:SB Johnny without fuss, though some others made a fuss about it, so far to no effect. --Abd 16:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Eski dostum, uzun zamandir seni goremiyordum, selam vermek istedim, umarim iyisindir, sevgilerimle iyi calismalar... --e.c. 22:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


Hi Erkan, I'm glad to see you! --HappyCamper 03:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

 :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 09:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Assembly Invitation[edit]

You are invited to register for the Wikiversity Assembly[edit]

  • The Wikiversity:Assembly has been established as a technique for developing reports on topics of import for Wikiversity administration. The Assembly is not a decision-making body, per se. Rather, it is designed to create or discover or estimate consensus, through focused, facilitated, thorough deliberation. Assembly reports may be referenced in regular Wikiversity discussions, but will not directly control outcomes. Where full consensus is not found, minority reports may be issued.
  • I invite you to register for the Wikiversity:Assembly by adding your user name to the Wikiversity:Delegable proxy/Table.
  • Registering for the Assembly creates no specific obligation, but does consent to direct communication as the Assembly may determine is appropriate. You may opt out of such direct communication by adding "no messages" to the Table when you register, in the user comment field, but it is unlikely that the default (communication allowed) will create burdensome traffic for you.

You are invited to name a proxy[edit]

  • When you register for the Assembly, you may optionally designate a "proxy."
  • I suggest that you nominate, as a proxy, the user whom you most trust to participate positively in a Wikiversity discussion if you are unable to participate yourself. The proxy will not be voting for you in any process. Rather, the proxy will be considered to loosely represent you, as a means of estimating probable large-scale consensus based on small-scale participation, in the event that you do not personally participate.
  • If you name a proxy, you will be consenting to direct communication with you by that proxy. If a named proxy accepts the proxy, you become, as long as you maintain the nomination (you may change it at any time), the "client" of the proxy, and by accepting, a proxy has consented to direct communication from the client.


I hope you will consider this. Wikiversity has been pretty peaceful lately, but we do need means for finding large-scale consensus with reasonable efficiency. This is my idea of how to do that (I've been working on this stuff for over twenty years). I'll be working on making it more clear, and if people do register, it will encourage this. Thanks. --Abd 00:16, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Erkan, You commented on some Assembly talk pages with some good questions, but you did not join the Assembly. May I suggest you do so? Joining the Assembly is a way to remain connected without requiring much in the way of actual participation. If you do name a proxy, your proxy may contact you with reference to anything your proxy thinks you might be interested in.

Personally, I'd like to see many long-term users register for the Assembly, creating some gravitas.

In any case, thanks for asking. I was on a "long vacation." I'm back. --Abd (discusscontribs) 01:18, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Unused files[edit]

Hi! I'm doing a small cleanup of non-free images, and came across File:Coccinella how to find the available chat rooms on the server.jpg and File:Coccinella how to login on sandbox server.jpg. You uploaded both, but they don't currently seem to be in use - thus I've nominated them to be removed. If you would like to use them that would be great, but you will need to add a fair-use rationale rational when doing so - with software on Wikiversity this is generally not a problem, especially if it is being used to illustrate steps in a lesson, but if you need any help just let me know. :) - Bilby 01:49, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

copy + paste from chat (sorry no time to make it neutral, otherwise there would be no reply now by me):
<Erkan_Yilmaz> Bilby seems not to know how to use what links here button
<Erkan_Yilmaz>I know I asked that Concinella guy for permission
<Erkan_Yilmaz> no idea where I put that info
<Erkan_Yilmaz> but even so, it's no proof since it did not go over OTRS, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 02:01, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

<Erkan_Yilmaz> do you think that will hurt him?
<user1> I don't know not really good at determining how people will interpret things, just at seeing the many potential ways things can be interpreted
<Erkan_Yilmaz> well my answer leaves the way open for him to delete anyway
<Erkan_Yilmaz> so it's fine for me, since someone can take action anyways
<Erkan_Yilmaz> nothing gets postponed
<Erkan_Yilmaz> if he shows good faith he can also do the necessary things
<Erkan_Yilmaz> it's up to him
<user1> saying that he doesn't know how to use what links here, could be interpreted badly
<Erkan_Yilmaz> I know, but it's basic task
<Erkan_Yilmaz> if someone makes a delete announcement
<user1> a less negative from might be ask it in the form of a question
<user1> like "Did you check the what links here button?"
<Erkan_Yilmaz> agree

Erkan_Yilmaz> actually nice form of learning way - that's why I posted it
<Erkan_Yilmaz> never tried this approach
<Erkan_Yilmaz> I guess back then would not have that form of talking
<Erkan_Yilmaz> since it's not talking with, but talking about him
----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 02:12, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi! A couple of quick comments. First, in response to your comment above, "actually nice form of learning way - that's why I posted it", to be honest it feels like a rather insulting manner of responding. I know that wasn't intended, but it comes across as if you are having a conversation over the top of someone, ignoring their presence. That's your choice, I guess, but it doesn't work from my end.
Otherwise, I suppose the point your trying to make is that I should have clicked on "what links here". That's probably true, and my apologies for not doing so. Generally I do check what links here, although clearly not this time. Had I have been aware that the image was linked to, but not displayed on the page, I would have approached things differently, and as per normal practice would have added a Fair Use Rationale to the images, if I could have worked out how to write one where the image isn't being used directly. :) My guess is that this sort of use, where you link to the image rather than displaying it, is outside of the terms of the policy, but at the same time I think it should be seen as perfectly ok anyway. So, once again, my apologies for missing the link. - Bilby 12:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I understand your point: would you be interested in the complete chat? (the thing you mention was also talked later on; I'll have to ask the other participant before sending though (but he's quite liberal in these things))
"what links here": your explanation works for me :-)
I'm just thinking how to make sure custodians use that button no matter what, that also prompted me to blog about custodian teaching here ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 12:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I can't comment on Custodian issues - I'm not one, and don't really want to be one. :) My interest here is in writing course materials, but for various reasons (mostly to try and avoid the mess that has happened on Wikipedia during image cleanups) I figured I needed to make a shot at image clean up, hoping to manage it in a less confronting manner than what has happened on Wikipedia in the past. Unfortunately, the nature of the task - telling people that good faith additions, intended to do nothing more than improve the project, are against policy - means that it will always be a bit confronting, no matter how you handle it. I guess the best you can do is try and keep it from being too bad, and it is really hard to judge how you go on that.
I might try and write up a procedure for handling image deletions, based on what I see as all the recommendations that are emerging now. If so, and if you don't mind, I'd like to toss it your way to make sure that I haven't missed something should be there. Wikiversity seems to work less on procedure and policy and more on guesswork, but for some tasks a checklist can be handy. :)
Otherwise, don't worry about the chat log - I tend to feel uncomfortable with reading them, as it feels like I'm listening into a conversation where I wasn't supposed to be. It is probably a dumb feeling in an internet age, but I'm stuck with it. - Bilby 12:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
checklist: OK
in general: giving time is a good thing for most things here, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 13:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, I thought a delay was built into the process, but it seems that this is flexible too. I know WV prefers not to have too many policies and procedures (and as an academic, rather than an administrator, I prefer that too), but perhaps some things need less flexibility. - Bilby 13:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I can certainly respect that position, and we agree that policy and actual practice should be congruent. However, you seem to assume that policy is fixed, and that practice should follow policy, when wiki traditions are actually opposite. It does happen that policies are occasionally created out of whole cloth, and that is a source of much disruption. Disruption is practically guaranteed when policy that is not the result of a true and full consensus process is imposed, and that policy conflicts with common expectation. In this case, we expect that policy would be designed to maximize the user experience, to maximize the utility and function of our educational resources, while, naturally, protecting against illegal content. However, our image upload policy is not rooted in copyright protection. It is, paradoxically, rooted in a goal of what is called "free content," which, when we look closely, doesn't mean free for students or readers, it means free for republishers, which then requires that fair use content be avoided. If a republisher is nonprofit, or can claim educational fair use, there is no problem. But, to make up a possibility, we currently have some images of beautiful Thai women, students in a computer class, who uploaded photos of themselves for their user pages. Some of these photos were GFDL'd or the like, but some of the students claimed ownership and fair use, apparently having been suggested this by their instructor. If they release the content under the GFDL or CC-by-SA, a pornographic publisher could then legally republish their photos, "Babes of Thailand," as long as they are attributed. Indeed, would they want attribution? No, they'd want the right to demand take-down. Whom are we protecting? Here, it's obvious, it is not our users we are protecting, it is some abstract ideal of "free content," and there is a darker possibility that I'm not qualified to judge: are there forces who want to use the massive WMF user base to generate content that they can sell without having to comb through it for fair use? The Board policy does require that all "fair use" content be machine-identifiable. That's easily done, through the fair use template and the fair use rationale template. But that isn't enough for whomever wants this. They want major effort to be made to find free substitutes. That impedes improvement of our resources, it is a subsidiary goal that is being placed higher than our primary purpose, and we are demanding that users supply the labor, or forfeit the content.
So I've opened an Assembly topic in the WV:Assembly on fair use. We need careful consideration of this issue, it's doing long-term damage. There are users here arguing that we have no right to declare limited exceptions to the WMF board resolution covering "non-free content," when that Resolution specifically allows us to do so. The resolution, from casual examination, seems to limit the exceptions in certain ways, but that's not how a lawyer would read it. A lawyer would pay attention to all parts of the document, and would note that exceptions are allowed for almost everything in it. We have that right and responsibility as a community to determine our needs. The WMF certainly has the right to intervene if they need to. They are highly advised not to do so until and unless there is a clear situation. They are not legally at risk. There is a reason why that resolution is over four years old and is still not widely enforced.
The resolution was clearly written with Wikipedia mostly in mind. So, for example, about photos of living persons, it talks about "notable" individuals, and that for notable individuals, it should be easy to obtain a free image. Perhaps. Perhaps not. But they *do" allow for exceptions, even there. Here, we are typically *not" talking about notable individuals.
What you have been doing, Bilby, is acting to enforce an unpopular policy -- that was never adopted as a policy by normal process. It was essentially imposed, without discussion, by users who seemed to think that it was inflexible, that we could not craft our own policy, they didn't carefully read the exceptions in the Board resolution. It's unclear to me why, except that is is clear to me that making decisions on matters like this has been difficult. Wikis aren't generally good at doing this spontaneously, that's why I created the Assembly and why, in fact, I've been working on stuff like this for about four years on-wiki and over twenty years elsewhere.
Having gone around and around this issue in the last few days, I'm starting to get some ideas about how to address it. There are possibilities that could work here and that might also work on the other wikis. But let's start here.
What I have in mind at the moment, as one point, is that the goal of "free content" should not apply to user space. User space should be for the users, for developing community and community communication (which serves an educational purpose). Users should have wide latitude in user space, and that includes "fair use." Copyright violation is illegal in any space, but we are not talking about copyvio. We are talking about legal content that has restricted rights attached, hosted with permission of the copyright owner, or with a legal fair use rationale. In practical terms, no risk to the WMF is created by this. If a use is claimed as fair use, but the claim is bogus, the WMF has no liability unless it fails to respect take-down. I have never seen the goal of free content rationalized with specific consideration of user space. It's really about mainspace, and quite possibly should be limited to that, plus filespace, of course, because filespace files are displayed in other spaces. We can easily require a claim of fair use for all non-free files, so the work of republishers isn't onerous. It could be win-win.
[this paragraph added after comment from Bilby below) Beyond this, it's obvious to me that we should not have custodians judging whether or not a usage is fair use, unless it's obvious and undebatable. If fair use is claimed, with anything that is reasonable (even if users might disagree if the use is "necessary" or not), we impair our educational mission, placing difficult burdens on our users, if we don't respect the claim, as a default, and without that, we have a difficult enforcement process that is subjective. We may be able to develop guidelines that cover what is and is not fair use, but what I've seen as attempts at these don't match normal user expectations, which is a formula for trouble. And they have never become policy, aside from what is incorporated in our EDP, which is policy in name but not as to actual approval by the community. It seems to have been accepted, though, probably because many users, as I've been seeing, believe that we have no choices. We have choices, that's clear. And so does the WMF. They are not bound by that resolution, except to avoid detrimental reliance. I.e., if someone lost money because they *relied* on that resolution, the Board could be in trouble. But the resolution is actually flexible and well-enough written that this seems impossible to me, it would not fly. The Board is not obligated to enforce their own resolution, and, if they see fit, they may amend it. At this point, I don't even see a need for an amendment -- tje board resolution allows us to do what we need to do --, so a recent move to ask the Board about a proposed policy change is premature. --Abd 14:27, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I really don't want to have this discussion here as well. We're having it on so many pages that I see no reason to add it to yet another talk page. In regard to the Assembly, I've made my stance on that clear - I cannot personally support it, as I find the methodology inherently unworkable. If I look for change in processes, I'll be doing so on the various pre-existing on-wiki forums. - Bilby 14:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't expect you to think the Assembly process is unworkable, because you have no experience with it or anything like it, I suspect. You and Erkan are welcome to participate. It is not required, and you lose no rights if you don't sign up or participate. I'll tell you this: the Assembly process will be looking at all identified discussions of these issues. This discussion is here because Erkan seemed interested in what you were doing, and if you don't like what you are doing being discussed on a user page, don't start a discussion there as you did. Leave it.
Your comment here, by the way, was civil and allowed. You are voluntarily working to enforce your understanding of an unpopular policy, because you fear worse. You might consider that, under that circumstance, the response you saw is to be expected.
Erkan, if you dislike my responses here, you are not obligated to read them, and you may delete them. It's your user page. And, by the way, I believe that you could ask for tools back at any time. We need help and even help that only occasionally does something would be useful. I see tremendous possibilities for Wikiversity, but the logjam that has almost paralyzed this community must be broken, so that true consensus can manifest. That's impeded by unworkable process. It is all fixable and, I'm claiming, it could be much easier than we have thought. I'm not asking for people to believe me, but just to have an open mind and consider new ideas and give them a little breathing space. Please do consider registering for the Assembly, your participation would bring the gravitas of your experience, and even just signing up would help, even if you don't read the actual processes. --Abd 14:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Abd: you are free to edit as you like here, others are free to edit too :-) What Bilby said is also valid, keeping discussions on one place and just linking there makes it easier that all interested see everything told/new.
I'll have a look at the Assembly pages later. Promise. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 17:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the commitment. Let me say that the Assembly will prove to be simpler, in reality, than the explanation-in-advance. The "rules" I've proposed really only bind me as the default clerk. If I do a bad job, independent "Assemblies" can be created and linked. It won't be necessary, I promise, though someone might try it. (All this was worked out, in general and nonspecific outline, years ago.) The Assembly concept is designed to resist domination by any individual or faction, even a founder, but, at the same time, to cut through the noise and negotiate or discover genuine consensus, or, alternatively, to document and accurately measure what disagreement exists, and what it is about. --Abd 18:20, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


Thanks [4] - that was a particularly stupid typo. :) - Bilby 02:17, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

You should see the typos I make :-) I hope you'll be bold enough to fix mine too, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 02:19, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on "What Matters"[edit]

Erkan, Thanks for your thoughtful comments on the What Matters discussion page. I will keep these in mind as I continue to evolve that course. You may also be interested in other courses I am developing in the Applied Wisdom curriculum. --Lbeaumont 12:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi Erkan! Check here (betawikiversity:user:hillgentleman) for some recent reflections. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 19:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Featured Biographies for Electrical department page[edit]

Hi Erkan.

I've been out of touch for a while now and am getting back to the nick of things arround here. One of the things I want to do at the Electrical Engineering school page is to create a featured biography that rotates once a week. I just dont know where to start. Please help setting this up or with a short tutorial on how to set it up.--Thuvack | talk | Blog 06:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at an already existing example: Main Page/Feature Frame 0.5, this is being used on main page, view the code + at bottom are always other nested templates (click them + view their source code), easiest way is: copy all under a new name to the project you want + then change to your needs (learning by doing)
The other thing I was wondering: "featured biography that rotates" isn't there such a thing on e.g. Wikipedia already? which one could link to or copy from? ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 15:56, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointers. I will look into them.--Thuvack | talk | Blog 08:32, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
I see that a speciefic main page template is being used... and I also located the featured content flyer pages. What I dont see is how they are automated/rotated daily or weekly??--Thuvack | talk | Blog 09:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, I did not look in detail, as said, copy the pages + try ;-) But this one seems more simpler to use, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat + 20:26, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey Erkan, thanks for the pointer above. I will definately be using the QOTD template on my user page to cycle my favorite quotes, and I think this can also find use in the school pages I'm working with. This template eventually lead me to a tutorial on dynamic content, which has gone straight into my watchlist... thise bodes well for the school pages I am working on as I can atleast leave a dynamic page which can survive me longer (",). Thanks again.--Thuvack | talk | Blog 08:17, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I added source code and a data file to discussion page of Conway's Game of Life[edit]

I hope you will enjoy this. You should be able to watch almost any possible evolution of LIFE. I hope you will find a working implementation more interesting than just a video. Ray Calvin Baker (talk) 19:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

The Stanford-Berkeley-Michigan etc online course initiative[edit]

is not surprisingly based on wiki-technology. see, for example, . How are you, Erkan? Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 13:14, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

The Portal:The Science Behind Parkinson's[edit]

Hi Erkan

Thanks for your welcome and messages of support! I shall be going through the points you made on the Colloquium and the other pages you have made edits to. Your advice is well appreciated and I shall no doubt be asking for more of it. This morning I am concentrating on getting some promotion emails out to a lot of individuals, researchers, organisations, journals and university departments but I hope to find time to put some comments on the Colloquium page. I have brought this correspondence to the attention of my main collaborator, User:HAPE3512. So more later. Droflet (talk) 09:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Who are you?[edit]

This page Who are you? is a fairly dangerous page in resulting Privacy Exposion. This page was not much, but deleted by me? If you have any reason why I should have not erased all of this? Report it to my Draubb's discussion area. not the problem place---Draubb 19:46, 16 May 2013

Requesting deletion[edit]

I am requesting deletion of Who are you? ---Draubb 20:52, 16 May 2013

I left you a message at Talk:Who are you?. Draubb (discusscontribs) 22:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem Erkan Yilmaz, but thank you for being nice and patient to me. The reason why I removed the deletion request is that it was on that special page and also a custodian met and viewed the page. So thanks for the tip. Maybe your buddy - ----Draubb (discusscontribs) 19:48, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Draubb Custodianship opens at June 14[edit]

Hello Erkan Yilmaz, I have sent emails to all the users I can to say that Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Draubb (2) will open in June 14, 2013. Thank you. --Draubb (discusscontribs) 21:01, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Having trouble with global rename[edit]

Hi, Erkan, I have come back to do some work after a long time away and having trouble with all the different names I've been assigned. Things are much more complicated here now. Can you help me recover my original name across all projects, except ones where I may be blocked? My real name has always been "Jon Awbrey" (or maybe "JonAwbrey" on some projects). TIA, JonAwbrey (discusscontribs) 13:56, 16 May 2017 (UTC)