User talk:Draicone/Archive

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Early messages

Welcome to Wikiversity. What do you think about Wikiversity:No shrines for vandals? --JWSchmidt 12:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Draicone...*inserts ehheh here* Armodeus 12:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC) first edit on keyboard instruments! :D Armodeus 13:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I already studied a bit of PHP, javaScript and HTML, but it was a long time ago. Unfortunately no CSS. Gibrel 14:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Articles for creation

Unlike on the English Wikipedia, anonymous editors can create pages on Wikiversity so there's not really a need for this page. Or was there another motivation for it? -- sebmol ? 06:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

No, that was all. I'll delete the page. --Draicone (talk) 06:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Humanities header

I hope this is the right spot for leaving a message... I admit, I was quite confused when I saw that your user talk redirects to user page, until I found this section. :D I have nothing against the header, thank you for your suggestion and help, and I do admit that this way is perhaps easier. Maybe we could use the design of the welcome message as it is on the top of the School of Language and Literature page (copied from English Wikipedia Main Page) instead of this Welcome to School... line? --George D. Bozovic talk 19:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Topic:Advanced Classical Mechanics

Topic:Advanced Classical Mechanics looks like it is a wikibook. Did you mean to move it over for a class or something?--Rayc 01:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


Hello Draicone/Archive, please send your real-name, your prefered login-name and the public part of your ssh-key to Zedler-admins.png. We plan to create your account soon then. --DaB.

Thanks DaB, I just emailed you with my details. --Draicone (talk) 22:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


Hey, if your going to have access to the Toolserver, could you get this working on Wikiveristy? I think you need that access to get it to work here.--Rayc 00:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ad hoc medical advice on Wikiversity

You may be interested in a debate on the wikipedia reference desks - W:Wikipedia talk:Reference desk#Linking out - in which it appears that a user is directing reference desk questioners who have asked for medical opinions, to the Wikiversity help desk, where an ad hoc answer is given. W:Wikipedia talk:Reference desk#Worst Medical Advice ever is also worth a read.

You may wish to consider whether Wikiversity should put in place policy relating to the answering of legal and medical opinion questions, as has Wikipedia. (e.g. # Do not request regulated professional advice. If you want to ask advice that "offline" would only be given by a member of a licensed and regulated profession (medical, legal, veterinary, etc.), do not ask it here. See Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer and/or Wikipedia:Legal disclaimer. Ask a doctor, dentist, veterinarian or lawyer.) --Tagishsimon 23:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Clair de lune.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Clair de lune.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikiversity because of copyright law (see Wikiversity' Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikibooks are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikiversity:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information or giving false information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Study help desk. Thank you. Mike.lifeguard | talk 22:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Teaching computer.jpg also Mike.lifeguard | talk 22:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Image:Kids with computers.jpg also Mike.lifeguard | talk 22:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Permission to Proceed

Could I possibly make an attempt at restructuring Oncology and Psychiatry in a similar style as the work I did on Haematology, Cardiology and Vascular Medicine, Respiratory Medicine, Gastroenterology,Endocrinology, Nephrology, Neurology and Obstetrics and Gynecology? DónalMcK 09:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox ready for masses of hackers?

Draicone, I have a blog at where I have attained master status with the local hacker community. Would you like me to advise them that the sandboxserver is ready and accounts are available for anyone who wishes to test potential Wikiversity features or software technologies? Might be some very good talent should a Wikiversity technical developer/support team get formally organized. Mirwin 23:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

sandbox server

Does the sandbox server have shell accounts? Erkan Yilmaz created an account for me. See my project at Sandbox Server/Mu301 for info. --mikeu 18:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Draicone, I would also like to have access to the wiki. I am interested in help testing mediawiki extensions. P.S. please delete the crap that I have uploaded. Hillgentleman|Talk 00:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
About [1]: The right person to change/implement is right here. ----Erkan Yilmaz (Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog) 22:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I have a student who will be working with me on His account here is User talk:Gtkalec‎. I also sent you an email with his contact info. --mikeu talk 17:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

SS wiki

"[04:36] <Draicone> JWSurf: Should we allow account creation on the SS wiki?" <-- Sure. Also, how do we get extensions installed so we can experiment with them? --JWSchmidt 16:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

darkcode's enabled account creation. I've also set him up with everything he needs to install extensions himself, and I believe he's already managed to get one extension up and running. You can email me about any extensions you need installed, but you'd probably get a quicker response going through him. --Draicone (talk) 13:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problems

Your currently affected uploads are listed below. For each, please provide a license template and source. Thanks. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 23:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

installing programs on sandbox server

How would i go about installing a program on the Sandbox Server? Thanks. --Remi 21:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi Draicone, not sure if you've been keeping up with Wikiversity matters, but one of the consequences of recent changes is that (currently at least) Erkan Yilmaz has "left" and JWSchmidt is blocked. I have recently completed 2 days Moodle training and am playing around with various Moodle installations as our university (UC) prepares to transition to it from WebCT. I'm also a custodian here. Anyway, I am canvassing your view about whether I might get admin access to the Moodle server. No pressure; open conversation is good :) -- Jtneill - Talk - c 12:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Draicone, I'm still very keen to get the Moodle learning project more active. I'll DM you. Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox Server

Any chance I could get an account on the sandbox server? I'd love to help set it up and learn a lil' about SSH and Terminals on the way. I am very proficient at computers, and want to help/learn with you huys. Send me a message at - Pdspatrick 07:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Sandbox server

I'm a French contributor and administrator on Wikibooks. We would like to have a collective account on the sandbox server for our Programmation books. Can you create it please ? Thanks. For questions and response please mail me on this page..--Savant-fou 22:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Linking in ...

Hey Draicone. My link at the sandbox server points to this user_talk page. Please point it to user:yeoman. (yeoman is of course CQ) Thanks in advance. :) Yeoman 12:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

tic tic tic... CQ 20:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Only person I know

I was hoping you would take a look at Wikiversity:Request custodian action#Requesting an Unbiased set of eyes. I was looking for an uninvolved custodian, but there are very few who don't have some history with either myself or Abd.

But due to your recent return, and having little contact with either of us, you strike me as the perfect person who could be unbiased.

If you would like to remain uninvolved, feel free to ignore this message. Thenub314 07:45, 26 November 2010 (UTC)


You're welcome :) Micki 14:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


  1. (Deletion log); 14:51 . . Draicone (Talk | contribs) deleted "John Keats's major works" (Author request: Tagged for a month, single author history, only link from similarly RfDd page)
  2. (Deletion log); 14:51 . . Draicone (Talk | contribs) deleted "John Keats's major works/To Autumn" (Author request: Tagged for a month, single author history, only link from similarly RfDd page)

Community consensus was to not delete the pages. They are still tagged only because the deletion discussion was not closed. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Undeleted and raised at Wikiversity:Requests_for_Deletion#Conclusions.3F. I don't agree that consensus was to not delete the pages, but thanks for the heads up. --Draicone (talk) 18:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Fib Hurtan

Just to let you know what I'm doing, I've userfied the two pages that just got speedy tags. There is something strange going on here, for sure, but I'm moving these pages to my user space in case that what I've been told ("middle school students") is true, I'd like to welcome them and allow them some play space a little more stable than the regular sandbox. I'm now suspecting something else, looking at the history of Fib Hurtan. This page was not created by a middle school student, unless that student is very sophisticated, see the comment about Wikibooks. Possible, I suppose.

I removed your deletion discussion tag. There is no need to discuss the deletion of nonsense, per se, it would, in mainspace, qualify for speedy deletion.

That's why I'm userfying, putting pages like this where they will do no harm and will be watched. In general, I'd suggest moving nonsense pages created by a registered user to their user space, where there is far less urgency. This can be done by any ordinary user, it doesn't require admin tools, and the redirect left behind will help the user find the page. Eventually, those redirects might be removed, as well as the pages, but we can deal with that later. I've suggested a "very slow deletion" tag, like, Delete After Three Years -- or maybe one year -- these would have to be easily handled in a way that's efficient, they'd be dated as part of a category created, so any custodian could quickly delete all expired tags, no fuss.... --Abd 06:22, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. --Draicone (talk) 06:29, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
This is not necessarily going to be easy, all the time, until we have some resources in place. But there are some good signs. I expect these (kids?) to make lots of "mistakes." It's the fast way to learn, if the environment is right, but it will take patience. Biggest problem is that they aren't registered, for the most part, or aren't watching registered talk pages. But some level of communication has been established. Thanks for your support. --Abd 22:20, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Re User:ProfessionalWikiTroll

Hi, I see that you blocked that user and his sock. I requested for him to be globally blocked yesterday so there was no problem there. :-) -Thepoliticalmaster 09:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I also believe that User:BoobSweat103 may be a sock of User:ProfessionalWikiTroll as the account was created at the same time as that and the other two socks which are already blocked. -Thepoliticalmaster 09:52, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

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Thought you should see this. I'll be issuing no more than a few of these invitations per day and, of course, others may issue invitations. Any suggestions or ideas are welcome. --Abd 19:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


Hello Draicone. Since you are Abd's mentor, I would appreciate your comments at User talk:SB Johnny#User:Marshallsumter. Thanks. Kaldari 19:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

The reason I brought this issue to your attention was due to Abd's behavior. User:Marshallsumter caused massive disruption on the English Wikipedia, resulting in the deletion of about 200 articles and the loss of countless editor hours of work. See w:User:Marshallsumter disrupting Wikipedia for "research" purposes. Abd's offer to help him get unbanned from the project is completely inappropriate, especially coming from someone that is also banned from the same project. Everyone here insists that Wikiversity is not a haven for disruptive editors who have been banned elsewhere. But here we have an editor, Marshallsumter, who's only contribution to Wikiversity is a "research project" to continue an argument on English Wikipedia that was settled 2 months ago and which he can no longer pursue there due to being banned. And we have Abd, who is also banned from English Wikipedia offering him advice on how to get unbanned from the project and encouraging his "research" here (as a custodian no less). This is exactly the type of behavior that has resulted in previous calls for the Wikiversity project to be closed entirely. As one of the few people here who is trying to do legitimate research, I would hate to see the project closed, but if it means that such cross-wiki disruption could be put to an end, I would gladly support it. Make no mistake, Wikiversity has an image problem, rightfully or not, and Abd is actively making it worse. If no is willing to raise this issue with Abd besides myself, I would question the purpose and efficacy of him having a mentor. Kaldari 19:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Kaldari has a good point here. If you're going to be a permanent mentor, you need to do some mentoring. It would probably be better done "on-wiki" rather than via private correspondence. --SB_Johnny talk 20:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply Draicone, please see my response at User talk:Kaldari#Dominant group etc.. Kaldari 06:42, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

History of Archeaology

I assumed the page was intentional vandalism because the editor had recreated it despite you having already deleted it as a test page. In any case, I'll consider using the test rationale more with IP editors. Thanks. --S Larctia 16:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Invalid auto archiving target

The target you specified for automatic archiving is invalid. It must begin with the same title as this page. If this is a problem for you, please contact my owner. ArchiveBot 02:31, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Abd probationary custodianship

Thanks for offering to mentor, Draicone. Abd is now a probationary custodian. Let me know if I can do anything to help out. Sincerely, James. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 12:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, your mentee User:Abd, a probationary custodian, intentionally vandalized my course wiki by deleting several lines corresponding to my recent lecture notes, thus preventing my students from studying and from doing their assignments. In addition, User:Abd deleted several lines corresponding to the various figures that I used in my recent lecture notes. See the differences between my version and Abd's version of my lecture plan. A custodian-vandal is a serious concern.

Lack of civility under the cloak of anonymity J. Zhao, Where Anonymity Breeds Contempt, NY Times, 29 Nov 2010.

Egm6321.f11 01:16, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Professor, thank you for using Wikiversity in your classes, and for alerting me to the edit on my talk page. I've reviewed Abd's edit on your lesson plan, and I fully agree that it was an error. I'm sorry for any disruption this caused in your classes, and I'm glad you were able to restore the correct version of the page within just a few hours.
I notice the edit was a rollback - these are quick edits, executed without a preview, and generally used to review large lists of recent changes in order to protect resources. I'm sure this particular rollback was not intended to affect your teaching and Abd did not mean to vandalise your page; however, I will discuss the edit with him as part of our ongoing mentorship. You may also wish to raise the matter directly. I can assure you that we do not have a 'custodian-vandal' here and this was simply the result of inadvertence.
If this does not resolve the matter to your satisfaction, or if there is anything else I can assist you with, please do not hesitate to contact me on my talk page. --Draicone (talk) 14:40, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Actually, Draicone, I was completely unaware of having made that edit until I noticed this here. I'm suspecting that it was an iPhone accident. I would definitely not have done that deliberately. If something like this happens again, I'll start using a non-admin account for iPhone review of Wikiversity. (Rollback does not ask for confirmation.) To Egm6321.f11, I'll assure the user that such an obvious error can be and should be immediately reversed; rollback is never to be used like that, and reverting a substantial contribution like that without an explanation deserves, itself, immediate reversal. This won't happen again, but if something like that does, a single revert by a registered user to restore an edit removed with rollback, without explanation, by a registered user, would *never* be a problem. It's a wiki, which means that errors can be quickly fixed. However, in any case, I apologize for the inconvenience. --Abd 17:56, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Abd, if working from your iPhone is causing troubles, please stop using it for your custodian account. --SB_Johnny talk 09:41, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I'd certainly prefer not to use the iPhone. I'll note, however, that one problem rollback is not "troubles," and it is only one-button-rollback that's a problem, because other actions, such as blocks or deletions, can't be made so easily. It's a single incident, unlikely to repeat. The real issue here is whether or not the value of my being able to check for requests for action while travelling, and then quickly act, exceeds the cost of a rare error. Normally, on wikis, occasional errors are of little significance because they are easily fixed. In any case, I'm happy that Professor Zhao is satisfied with the response, see below. --Abd 15:08, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for the explanation. I feel much more comfortable now. No problem. Egm6321.f11 19:47, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


Hello, Draicone!

I'm thinking of applying for custodianship on enwikiversity. My contributions mainly focus on countervandalism work over here.

I'm already experienced with administrative tools on Meta-Wiki and on other content and non-content projects, like ptwiki, hiwiki, mediawiki, testwiki and strategywiki. I'm also a global rollbacker. If I may, I would like to have you as a mentor. =D

What do you think?

Best, Ruy Pugliesi 11:51, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi RP,
Thanks for your message on my talk page. I'm familiar with your work and I think you could make a strong contribution to the administrative side of Wikiversity. I'm planning to take something of a wikibreak shortly, so I'm not in the best position to mentor you, but as you are already a meta sysop and a global rollbacker I'd be comfortable mentoring you jointly with any other active custodian, and nominating you when you're ready after I return. Alternatively, you're more than welcome to select an alternative mentor, and you can always ask me for feedback on a more specific basis. Please let me know your thoughts and don't hesitate to ask around and discuss with the other custodians.
Draicone (talk) 08:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Draicone.
Thanks for you reply!
"I'd be comfortable mentoring you jointly with any other active custodian, and nominating you when you're ready after I return." So, what mentor would you recommend me by now?
Have a nice weekend. :) Ruy Pugliesi 10:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm happy to serve, if you like. --SB_Johnny talk 19:41, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey, SB Johnny. I would be happier to have you as my mentor. Thanks, Draicone. =)
So, can I nominate myself?
Regards, Ruy Pugliesi 14:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I think SBJ will make a great mentor. There isn't a great deal of formality or procedure to the initial nomination -- go ahead and nominate yourself and we will note on the nomination page that we are happy to mentor. Then another 'crat will give you the custodian flag and you can launch into probationary custodianship. Draicone (talk) 11:58, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Done. :) Ruy Pugliesi 13:41, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Abd's nomination for full custodianship

Discussion re-opened on this nomination, November 16. You commented in the original discussion, but have not commented in the current one, which might close on November 21. The current discussion is at Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Abd (full custodian)#Re-opening_community_discussion. --Abd 20:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

PDF download has serious problems

Dear Draicone When I try to create a PDF and download it I receive the following message.

The file you are trying to download does not exist: Maybe it has been deleted and needs to be regenerated.--Ertunc (talk) 03:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)