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Well done[edit]

Good job on setting up your account, Betsy. Let me know if I can do anything as you go along. 'Official' Wikiversity welcome below. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


Hello Betsy, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon Button sig.png in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

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How did my user page, or whatever it's called, change? Was it edited by the Wikiversity site automatically or did someone edit it? I looked at history and it just showed what it previously looked like. I dumped my material and was going in to tidy up, but it is already in different format. Betsy

OH no - why doesn't it scroll the sentence around - why is it going off the screen? B.
About sentences off the screen: This happens when copy + pasting text from another program sometimes. There were made following edits afterwards to "fix" this.
You can format e.g. with * or double point (:) and if you use 2 or three of them after another you indent as you wish. See more info here.
Please also have a look if all indents were made correct now. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Betsy, if you check the history for your page, you'll see that both Erkan and I have been working on adjusting ('wikifying') your formatting. Hope this is OK. If you want to go back to your original formatting, click on an earlier version and save it. But I think you'll find that our contributions are improvements and hopefully will help you to learn 'wiki'. Well done on posting a question to your page. You can also add your signature with four tildes (~~~~). And well done on posting so much content! Once its tidied up a bit, I look forward to coming back and discussing more substantively. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 23:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
BTW (by the way), check Help:Editing for some other information about organising pages (using headings) and formatting text (e.g., bold). -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually, Erkan already provided this link. So read both his and my messages on this carefully (following the links), and hopefully you can work it out. Or reply here about anything you need some help with. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

THANKS JAMES & ERKAN: hopefully I will work it out - it takes so much time though. B., 20 Aug, 2.45pm

It may seem to take a lot of time I suspect because you may be applying a lot of formatting e.g., in a Word document, then pasting here. My suggestion would be to keep your off-line content in simple format, then do most of your styling here on Wikiversity. There are some other options. e.g., using Open Office, you can export directly into wiki syntax. But also, just leave a message if you want something fixed - and we'll help pretty fast :). -- Jtneill - Talk - c 06:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

How to do bullet-point points[edit]

Hi Betsy, To create a bullet-point, there are two ways:

  1. Use an asterisk (*) at the start of the line (instead of a full-stop)
  2. Click on the bullet-point symbol at the top of the edit box (it looks like three squares lined up vertically i.e., Btn toolbar liste.png).

You might also be interested to read further about this at Help:List. Can I also check whether you've been through the beginnner's newcomer's guided tour? Once you have the basics (i.e., bullets and headings), hopefully the frustration will be minimised. Well done on commenting about what your specific problems are - again, the more specific you can be, the more targeted any help can be. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 11:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks James, I accidentally wrote my last two lots of discussion notes into my user page last time. Just as well I didn't put them here as I was throwing a technology tantrum - rather than go and try and work it out I have fallen into the trap of 'wanting the solution here, and wanting it now'. Apologies for tantrum! Have now composed myself and will soldier on! 03:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC) Betsy, 23 Aug. 1.30pm

James: Have worked out that I can switch off the Wikiformatting, I still have a bit to work out though - like why the bold and the underlining don't work at all, or sometimes, when Wikiformatting is switched off. Also, the time clock for the signature is two hours ahead. Betsy 9.38pm , 23 Aug.

There were made some format changes in chapter 9+12, could you have a look if that is as you wish ? (see version history with comments)
time difference: I suppose this is because the server has another time set up. You can see in the following line the actual time on the server (added with the {{time}} tag).
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Next time perhaps use the Wikiversity:Chat - there are people who can help - the wiki syntax can sometimes be really problematic. ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 09:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi Betsy, Thanks for contacting me. It's nice to know there is someone else out there! (I think keeping my page nice and neat is a bit of a personality 'thing'!!). There seem to be a lot of tricks to use and I have found most of it is trial and error.Obviously James and Erkan also very helpul with this stuff.

The best idea is to go to the "help" page (on the left of the screen)and find "editing" - it shows you how to format, highlight text etc. I printed out this page so I can refer to it as I go along.

Looking at other people's pages can also be helpful. When you see a method of formatting you would like to use can go into "edit this page" (at the top) and look in the edit box for the syntax (ie symbols etc) they use. Be sure to CANCEL your edit of the page (bottom right of the edit box) - you have not actually changed anything just looked at the syntax.

I hope this helps. If not let me know and I will give you more specific details.Jenny O

Hi Betsy,

Me again...I've had another look at your text. If you want to remove the dot point boxes, go into edit and just remove the asterix (*) at the beginning of the line. Sometimes spacing does not work the way it does in Word. I just fiddle around with it, checking it as a preview before I save it as the final page.

I was going to edit a section of you page just to show you how it works but I am not too sure how you would like it formatted. If you would like me to edit a section let me know and I'll will - then you'll have an example to work from.Jenny O

Hi Jenny, after Betsy wrote to you there were made some changes - hopefully with that some of the problems could be minimized. :-( ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 00:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Betsy, I have also emailed you to suggest that you check your page history where Erkan and I have been making formatting changes and explaining what we have done to help you out. Sincerely, -- Jtneill - Talk - c 01:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Jenny 0 / Erkan / James : Thanks to you all for your help - it's quite humbling to get so much attention and help, thanks very much. --Betsy 10:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


QUESTION - James James: Should I be signing off each time I do some work on E-porfolio - or should that be placed in the discussion page - or is it not really necessary ie you can track the movement anyway? Betsy 11:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Signatures aren't really necessary on your user page / e-portfolio, but they are a good idea on talk pages (such as this one). -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
-- Thanks -- Betsy 04:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


I particularly like the way in this section you provide your own views, use examples from the tutorial and documentary, and use (bolded - easy to read) prejudice and aggression keywords. I think this does an excellent job of demonstrating your independent thinking, engagement, and understanding of theoretical aspects of the unit with specific and real examples. Well done! (By highlighting and commenting on this section, I am not necessarily implying that you are not doing this elsewhere, but it was a section that stood out to me as I stopped by to have a quick look - and it also sets a useful example for others). I can see you're working hard on your e-porfolio and the formatting/style is getting better all the time, plus you're using the interactive features of the talk pages and the discussion list! I also did a couple of edits with some bullet-points and links which may also be of interest. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 10:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Discussion list + images[edit]

JAMES: Question: Is the Discussion List a separate way of asking questions to the group - as it asks users to set up via a Google account, however I wasn't sure whether I should or whether it was a problem since I was using a pseudonym - as it requests Email address which of course would be under my real name. Anyway this is not really important, I was just wondering. I have also posted a question on Jenny O's discussion box, as I tried yesterday to import a picture, however nothing happened after I typed in the license agreement (in WikiCommons). Anyway I will have another go at some stage. I am trying to get reasonably up to date with my E-portf. so I can start doing some research for my essay - which I haven't done a thing on yet!! PS. Thanks for your comments and edits. Betsy 03:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Re discussion-list: My understanding is that you are already a member of the discussion list and that you have been actively posting messages to the list using a different pseudonym. I'll email you a link to your discussion list postings separately, in case you don't want them publically disclosed here. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Re images: What exactly are you wanting to do? Are you wanting to upload a picture to Wiki Commons or are you wanting to use a picture from Wiki Commons on a page here on Wikiversity? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

J: I wanted to export a picture from WikiCommons to my E-portfolio. Betsy 04:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

OK. No need to export. Just note the image name and add syntax like this: [[Image:Open book 01.svg]] wherever you want to the image to show on a page. This will show the image in its default size, e.g., Open book 01.svg without any resizing or formatting.
Open book 01.svg
For getting it to look 'just right' (in terms of size and placement), plus for how to add a caption, see Help:Media_Files#Images. But to start off with just trying adding an image and then keep asking questions if you want help to adjust it. Another way to learn about this is to view the source or hit EDIT on any page or section (such as Jenny O's) and look at the wiki syntax used for a given image. Hope this helps. Here's an example of the above image formatting a bit differently... -- Jtneill - Talk - c 05:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Image Copyright[edit]

Hi Betsy

It's good to hear from you again. I see James has helped with images (above). In response to your specific question regarding copyright. If you are using images from Wiki Commons there is no need to attend to the licence agreement – you can freely use their images as they have the necessary copyright. You just have to get the file name e.g., ‘Flock of sheep.jpg’. If you click on the image you like in Wiki Commons the file name comes up as a title. To ensure I get the image name correct I copy it, paste it into a word document, change font type and size and re-paste it into my syntax.

If it is any help to you I have also copied a section of syntax for the sheep thumbnail photo & text from my site as an example (this will appear as the thumbnail photo):

In a study of humans Krause (2008) found that only 5% of a group is needed to influence the others to unconsciously flock like sheep


Translation of syntax: makes it a thumbnail image | position on page | size of image| my added text

NB: You must have the square brackets and vertical strokes (NOT the letter i or l) to make it work.

I hope this helps. Your e-portfolio is looking good! Jenny O 07:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The next few weeks[edit]

Hi Betsy,

That's right, there are no more lectures or tutorials for our group until, week 10! So that gives us plenty of time to get up to date with the e-portfolio and the essay.

Have you tried adding any images yet? I'm happy to help if you'd like me to.

Another useful tip...when you sign off on a discussion page if you use four 'wiggly things'(sorry I don't know their real name) located at the top left corner of the key board, under the escape button - the computer automatically signs you as a link in the name 'Betsy' followed by the date and time. Very nifty. When you do that others can automatically click on it to link to your page(s). Jenny O 01:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


Have pasted the syntax, I think, however no image appears, tried to put in some info, however this was ignored?

I'll get there eventually. Betsy, 2 Sept.

You were very close :) - but no pictures shows until the name is exact. All I changed was to make sure the exact name was used (with spaces as it is on Wiki Commons) .... the links to the image I think you wanted is: commons:Image:Love - Engagement.jpg and to show the image (with a small size), we can use: Love - Engagement.jpg. So, see your page now. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 11:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


Hey Betsy...Great image! Jenny O 03:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


James: I have added a few more images and had fun doing so, however one doesn't appear to want to go in - see section 4 on Social Thinking. I have taken out the spaces just in case that was the problem, however that made no difference, unless there is something re the copyright, although I thought I had checked that (albeit quickly). Betsy 08:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Looks like you don't have the exact name - here's the link: Image:Auguste Rodin - Grubleren 2005-03.jpg. Note that there should be no space after the colon, but in the name there are spaces before and after the dash. If you fix this up on your page, the image will display. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

- [By the way thanks for helping with the relationships picture]

  • That's fine. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

- ALSO: when I went in to edit section 3, Lecture: Film: Ghosts of Rwanda - I get a message saying the page is too long.Betsy 09:00, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

  • We have improved the meaningfulness of the message that displays. This doesn't really matter, it's a warning that there is a lot of content on the page and/or section. So you can ignore. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

- ALSO: can I link one section of my E-portfolio to another? say if I want to put a link from the groups section to the aggression section.

  • Ah, good question, yes you can (and it is good idea to provide this kind of linking/weaving). The easiest way to do it, is to link to section headings. A link is created like this: [[#Heading name]]. Since that will be a little bit ugly (shows the #), you can rename the link like this: [[#Heading name|Renaming of the link]]. Here's a real example for this page. Well done, Betsy. Ever since I showed you how to sign your signature, you've been adding it to your messages.. The syntax for this link was [[#Signing|sign your signature]]. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 04:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Betsy[edit]

Hey Betsy, Sorry for the late reply in my wiki ignorance neglected to notice the discussion page on week 6. I think you may b right about women "knowing their place" but I find it really sad that in this day and age the old seteotype still exists. Thank you for looking at my page, I see you have done a lot of work on yours and what I have read so far is excellent! No doubt you will be hearing again from me soon when I feel more intelligible! MandaG 02:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)MandaG

Image captions[edit]

Well done on getting images into your portfolio! A next step with these could be to add captions. On your page I edited the places where can add captions, with this text: "This is where a caption can go...". You can edit your page, delete that text from each image, and replace with your own caption. Hope this helps. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 13:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, James, but I didn't want any captions against the pictures, just the pictures by themselves.Betsy 00:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC) - I thought the pictures would just link up with the subject matter for that section - however I may re-think and possibly add some .......
That's fine; entirely up to you, feel free not to do this (and remove my changes). In general, though, I tend to find that a bit of explanation about the image can help to make the link to the text for a reader. Note also that in 'academia', images are generally captioned, although the e-portfolio is not expected to be a strictly academic exercise - more important is its function as a reflective exercise. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I might add that I do not always caption images, especially if it is a "good" match to the text. But sometimes I do. Sometimes some of your main text could actually be inserted (cut and pasted) as an image caption. This can be a way to improve the layout - e.g., like a 'feature' box in the textbook. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Social psychology and population density[edit]

I've started this page to brainstorm some ideas (can be done collaboratively) e.g., no reason we can't plan a "table of contents" or something like that and discuss it. I've also altered the question slightly to refer to "high" rather than "rising". -- Jtneill - Talk - c 14:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


J: HELP!: Having a spot of bother trying to narrow down my topic. Still researching too broadly. Some of the searching I have been doing has revolved around the following terms: overpopulation / world population / population growth / privacy, personal space, social isolation, human crowding, territoriality (not searched yet), / high density living / learned helplessness / etc etc etc

Anyway, thought the essay topic should revolve around the terms in the chapter on groups and/or environment, however this is still too broad and although I have found four articles that might be of use and others that aren't really and five or so books that range from 'no use' to 'good but still not really helping me to really focus'. The topics seems to go hand in hand but to give them proper consideration can't be done in 3,000 words so I need to be very specific. This is the first time I have done searches and come up with lots of useless or only moderately useful material. I have even come up with blanks! What to do. Anyway - will read what I have and see if a librarian can help. I just can't seem to get my head around the topic. It just seems too big.Betsy 11:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

One way from here could be to refine/renegotiate the topic/question - you've done enough it seems to me to get a feel for what is out there and also perhaps to know what interests you in particular around this topic. Would you like to propose a related, but different essay question? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 12:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Tutorial Four[edit]

Hi Betsy, If you would like some more information on Tutorial 4 James' notes and links are very useful (see Tutorial 4). I have posted some notes on my Tutorial Reflections page, but I'm also happy to give you an update when I see you next. Regards Jenny O 11:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

E-portfolio Feedback for Betsy[edit]

Hi Betsy,

Thanks for participating in the social psychology unit. I have read your e-portfolio and have provided some feedback below. The marks will put be posted on WebCT 24 or 25 November. I will email the discussion list when they are available. Feel free to let me know if you have any comments, concerns, questions. I also welcome your feedback here.


This e-portfolio demonstrates a close reading of the text and lecture content, with considered, honest reflections particularly also for the tutorials (Australian Zeitgeist was missing?) (HD)


Overall depth was excellent. Some areas of interest are pursued with fascinating detail (e.g., culture, nature, and gender). You've used the e-portfolio effectively for both notes and reflections (including images), and demonstrated a willingness to learn, engage, struggle, converse, etc. Congratulations. (HD)


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Sincerely, James Neill - talk - email

P.S. If you are dissatisfied with the marking and feedback, please see the marking dispute process.