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Suggested page deletion[edit source]

Thank you for your recent contribution to the Colloquium. I've moved the discussion on Suggested page deletion to Wikiversity:Requests for Deletion#Suggested page deletion and will respond there. Let me know if you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:16, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Dave. I will attempt to follow your suggestions tomorrow. --Alkhowarizmi (discusscontribs) 14:50, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks again....
I wouldn't have suggested deletion if I could see a way of improving the page, other than by replacing the content with links to relevant content. However, there is no basis for knowing what to link. I think that if there is a plan for the course that requires knowledge of elements and electricity, then this requirement would be best met with links (to other Wikiversity course, Wikipedia pages, etc) at the point where the student may need the explanation, and/or by including for example a chemistry course in the prerequisites, rather than with a page such as this.
I considered moving the page, but I don't know where it should be moved, nor how.
If the current page is deleted, there is nothing to prevent quality content being introduced later. At the moment it is harmful. It does nothing to inform the student, may misinform the student, and most probably will baffle the student.
Maybe I'll approach this one step at a time, beginning with a question on the Talk Page about the page's purpose.--Alkhowarizmi (discusscontribs) 10:08, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Also, if I can recover some of my failing thinking power, I may try to improve the page Electrical current but before doing anything that bold I would want to spend quite a lot of time learning Wikiversity ways, for instance following your above references "Read an introduction for teachers and find out how to write an educational resource for Wikiversity."--Alkhowarizmi (discusscontribs) 10:08, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
I appreciate your careful deliberation and desire to learn more about Wikiversity before proceeding. I think your concerns are valid. I've removed the page from the course outline pending further discussion, and added a proposed deletion to the page.
As for how to write an educational resource, it depends on your goal and your audience. Some people come to Wikiversity wanting to teach others something, while others come to Wikiversity wanting to help others learn something. There is a distinct difference in approach. For a comparison, take a look at Hardware and IT Fundamentals/Hardware. The first is a really good lecture on computer hardware, but passive in approach. The second is a sequenced lesson on computer hardware with less embedded content but more active engagement. There's also a likely difference in target audience, with the first resource seeming to be at a secondary education level, while the second is intended for college students.
I would encourage you to pick something you are interested in and try to make it better. Better could mean more content, or it could mean more engagement for the learner. I personally advocate for more engagement, but either approach is valid. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:19, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
And again ... What you have done is so much better than anything I could have figured out at this stage.
Ironically, while my initial goal here was to learn a little more in computer areas such as programming and admin (of my computers), with no thoughts of returning to educating activities, this episode has motivated me to consider contributing in a minor way.

Speedy Deletion[edit source]

To request speedy deletion of a page, add {{Delete|reason}} at the top of the page to be deleted. Creating a separate talk page just adds another page to delete, and not using the Delete template leads to a greater likelihood that the post will be overlooked. I only noticed it because I monitor new page creation. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

How baffling! You suggest that I should have added a speedy deletion request, but the page already had one. The template display begins "Please share your thoughts about whether to improve or speedy delete". If that's only intended for objections to deletion, it would be good if it said so. As it goes on to advise different procedures for objections, I was inclined to think the request for comments was intended especially for adding support for deletion. I spent a fair time trying to make sense of what was wanted, and still got it wrong. Maybe the template should be revised.--Alkhowarizmi (discusscontribs) 01:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Discussion is certainly an option, but there may be anywhere from zero to ten pages a day like this. Unless there's something out of the ordinary, commenting on a spam deletion typically isn't necessary. In this case, the speedy delete was added by a steward (global sysop). There would need to be something very unusual for that request not to be honored. The last time that happened it led to a two week debate before the file was deleted anyway. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks ... that makes clear why commenting is unhelpful, indeed a nuisance. However we still have the template soliciting comments, when it might better be soliciting silence (unless there are objections). I have been through a lot of documentation on deletion processes without finding anything indicating that "speedy" needs no further action (except by the custodian etc who will execute the deletion). Not to say it isn't there, just that out of the next million new users, there may be many who do as I did, thinking it is helpful.--Alkhowarizmi (discusscontribs) 05:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
YesY Done -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:58, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Magic!--Alkhowarizmi (discusscontribs) 22:07, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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