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Update: This interview will be published on May 5. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The page is already transfered to here, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 21:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking part in the Wikimedia Sister Project Interview. Since the contents of the interview will be published on Wikipedia Signpost in English Wikipedia, contents on this page will be licensed under "GFDL". If you are uncomfortable about sharing your views to other Wikimedia communities, please do NOT modify this page. Please sign your name after your comment so that I can identify who wrote it) OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Approach[edit]

Wikiversity provides an environment for open, collaborative learning and research

This interview was conducted collaboratively.


Collaborative response[edit]

Note: Original responses below (diff) by --SB_Johnny | talk, we would prefer to answer collaboratively (which might tell you even more about how we do things here :-)).

full support, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 11:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Full support for a collaborative approach - it is our raison d'etre. -- Jtneill - Talk 13:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Chat session ?[edit]

(copied from Colloquium)
If somebody is interested we could make a chat session ? e.g. talk about the final merge to make it appear as one WV voice, ... ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 00:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

We could talk about what is written and then also assign some people to merge each chapter (best: someone else who has contributed in that chapter) ? ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd be happy to try and facilitate this with a voice chat, if that will help. I'm also willing to participate otherwise, as well. Historybuff 06:26, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

possible dates[edit]

Saturday, 5th April[edit]
Wednesday, 9th April[edit]
Saturday, 12th April[edit]
  • --mikeu talk 17:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC) (available between 18:00 - 00:00 UTC)

Questions with answers[edit]

What is Wikiversity[edit]

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Wikiversity's motto is Set learning free

Wikiversity is the Wikimedia Foundation's youngest project, aimed both at creating educational materials and at providing a forum to learn interactively in a wiki environment. Originally begun in Wikibooks, it was split off officially in 2006, with the English Wikiversity, Beta, and three other language Wikiversities established in August, 2006. Contrary to what people might think in relation to its name, Wikiversity is not limited to university (tertiary) level materials/activities, but incorporates in its scope materials and activities of all styles and levels - from pre-school to lifelong learning. There are seven individual language Wikiversity projects - English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, and Spanish - as well as a multilingual hub for inter-project coordination.

Wikiversity is both a repository of educational content, and a space for learning. As a repository, it follows a model similar to other sister projects, particularly Wikipedia and Wikibooks - though it strives not to overlap unnecessarily with these projects - and there are good 'course'-type resources in areas such as filmmaking and technical writing. However, as a learning space, it is in a much more experimental phase - learning about how learning can be facilitated in a wiki (specifically Mediawiki) model, and how other technologies (such as IRC, voice chat, blogs, as well as a dedicated "sandbox server") can be utilised to augment the wiki model. There is a strong emphasis on "learning by doing" (or "experiential learning") in the Wikiversity learning model - and there are also initiatives to make Wikiversity a personal learning environment (see examples). Several reading groups have evolved, which indicate promising and viable means of "learning the wiki way".

Wikiversity's scope, mission, and inclusion guidelines differ radically from the other Wikimedia Foundation wikis, in that it encourages the use of the wiki for building learning communities, and voicing opinions - many users have blogs in their userspaces, and there is a certain amount of freedom to go beyond NPOV through disclosing bias. There is also freedom to undertake and report on certain types of original research - the horticultural Bloom Clock being the oldest and largest of the research projects. Due to its educational mission, Wikiversity also has a more tolerant approach towards content and activity, preferring to educate rather than deter participants (by deleting or banning).


  • one example: WV can be a place:
  • Wikiversity is an experimental project open to everyone interested in studying and teaching. It aims to develop methods (sometimes called sucessfull learning communities) for free e-learning education. It tests MediaWiki software and other software for the educational process. It is open for everyone, who is interested, while people using languages which dont have their own domains might be limited. It is not just about tertiary education (versity≠university), but education for all - pre-school, primary, secondary and tertiary education, longlife education and also research (both primary and secondary).
  • On the other hand, Wikiversity is also a community. Wikiversity community is a group of people intrested in learning via the wiki way, open to new ideas and aproaches and having a fun when study and develop.--Juan 11:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Wikiversity is also a good place for people to experiment creating and test educational material before it goes commercial. See filmmaking. Robert Elliott 02:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


From the line onwards, I've attempted to add everything relevant from below to the section above, reducing redundancy. My suggestion would be to edit the upper section and add whatever else you think appropriate, and ultimately to delete the bottom section when it is completely redundant with the upper one. Cormaggio talk 19:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

How did Wikiversity evolve historically and how has it progressed?[edit]

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The roots of Wikiversity go back to August 2003, when Wikibooks was being formed and the idea of a larger learning project was being brainstormed. As a result of these discussions, Wikibooks was set up as a textbook repository, and Wikiversity was set up as a sub-project within Wikibooks. When Wikiversity was proposed for deletion from Wikibooks, there followed a vigorous and lengthy discussion about where and how Wikiversity would exist, and what its future would hold. This prompted the development of a proposal - on Meta - to set up Wikiversity as a separate Wikimedia project. After much discussion, and one rejected proposal, Wikiversity was finally launched in its "beta phase" as an official project in August 2006. Wikiversity has never officially been declared to have emerged from its beta phase, and the probability is that it will continue in its experimental phase for some time, perhaps some years.

Measuring Wikiversity's progress can be difficult due to its wide scope, but it has managed to build a very strong community, and content has been slowly but steadily created and improved over the first eighteen months (somewhere in between what one would expect of a glacier and a rolling snowball). Currently several users are working on outreach efforts aimed at "brick and mortar" institutions and organizations to see where and how we can be of assistance in helping to create educational materials and learning communities.

For further reading, see Wikiversity:History of Wikiversity, User:JWSchmidt/history, and Wikiversity future

What is Wikiversity's vision and mission?[edit]

Wikiversity is a center of online learning.

There are many visions for Wikiversity - a repository of open educational resources, an experiment in wiki-based learning, a global learning community, a radical alternative to fee-based education - but to name a few. Wikiversity is adaptable and broad enough to incorporate many of these visions - and certainly the first three of these are inherent aspects of Wikiversity's scope and mission. Whether Wikiversity will become or provide an alternative to brick and mortar institutions is substantially more controversial - having been explicitly rejected by the board in their first evaluation of the Wikiversity proposal. However, there certainly remains room for imagining and defining what role Wikiversity could play in a the world of "open education" - which might involve collaborations between open content/activity sites (like Wikiversity) and accredited institutions (like traditional universities).

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Wikiversity Mission Statement

Wikiversity is a centre for the creation and use of free learning materials and activities. Its primary priorities and goals are to:

  • Create and host a range of free-content, multilingual learning materials/resources, for all age groups and learner levels
  • Host learning and research projects and communities around existing and new materials

Please also include reference to the current mission statement which can be copied from: Wikiversity:Mission/Current. -- Jtneill - Talk 03:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Mission
Wikiversity:Motto
Wikiversity:Slogan
-- Jtneill - Talk 13:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Unsure of how to incorporate mention of these pages as of yet.. Cormaggio talk 19:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

How is Wikiversity different from Wikibooks?[edit]

The singular focus of Wikibooks is to create free and up-to-date textbooks for the use of both institutional and non-institutional students and teachers. The Wikiversities differ from this in several ways, perhaps the most important being that we often focus more on participation as the end product, rather than always moving towards a goal of producing content.

Wikiversity supports online learning communities, groups of people who are trying to learn about particular topics. Wikiversity is a place where these learning groups can assemble and discover how best to learn things online. Wikiversity is also the first WikiMedia project that is open to hosting and fostering research.

Wikiversity's fundamental unit is neither a book (wikibooks) nor an encyclopedia article (wikipedia); it is a learning resource (see Wikiversity:Learning Resources). A learning resource is a text or genre which can outwardly resemble a book or an article, but differs in a number of respects. While we haven't settled on a complete definition of learning resources, we can say that possible identifying characteristics may include any number of: segmentation to facilitate learning, sequencing by difficulty level, didactic use of repetition and redundancy, discernible paths from known to unknown, the involvement of an audience of learners, association with a real-world educational context, the setting of explicit learning goals, conformity with a real-world curriculum of learning, a style which reflects an immediacy of a learning situation or other stylistic criteria typical of didactic intent. In short, it's about learning rather than exposition. While it is true that a "participatory" concept has entered some of the Wikiversity planning processes, it is a subset of actual editing efforts which reflect heterogeneous educational visions and methodologies.


  • The singular focus of Wikibooks is to create free and up-to-date textbooks for the use of both institutional and non-institutional students and teachers. The Wikiversities differ from this in several ways, perhaps the most important being that we often focus more on participation as the end product, rather than always moving towards a goal of producing content. For example, the Bloom Clock does generate content over time in the form of keys and eventually aims at producing a geographically neutral language to describe when plants bloom, but the immediate purpose of it is for participants to learn about the flowering plants they see in the environment -- either by providing keys to help people identify a plant, or through the interwiki links provided to Wikipedia articles about the plants and Wikibooks modules about how to grow the plant. That latter linking shows the relationship: the Wikiversity content is participatory, while the Wikibooks module provides a supporting text. --SB_Johnny | talk
  • Wikiversity's fundamental unit is neither a book (wikibooks) nor an encyclopedia article (wikipedia); it is a learning resource (see Wikiversity:Learning Resources). A learning resource is a text or genre which can outwardly resemble a book or an article, but differs in a number of respects. While we haven't settled on a complete definition of learning resources, we can say that possible identifying characteristics may include any number of: segmentation to facilitate learning, sequencing by difficulty level, didactic use of repetition and redundancy, discernible paths from known to unknown, the involvement of an audience of learners, association with a real-world educational context, the setting of explicit learning goals, conformity with a real-world curriculum of learning, a style which reflects an immediacy of a learning situation or other stylistic criteria typical of didactic intent. In short, it's about learning rather than exposition. While it is true that a "participatory" concept has entered some of the Wikiversity planning processes, it is a subset of actual editing efforts which reflect heterogeneous educational visions and methodologies. --McCormack 11:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Well, the difference is clear. Wikiversity is an e-learning and research project, when wikibooks is a collection of books and textbooks.--Juan 11:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

What are the main terminology differences used by Wikiversity?[edit]

Some examples could be:


So I'm a newcomer to Wikiversity. What can I do?[edit]

Click edit this page to change a Wikiversity webpage.

It depends who you are and what you want to do! If you want to find content that could be useful to you in teaching a class, or helping you learn, you can browse Wikiversity's portals and categories, or search for specific content. If you want to learn about something, you can browse Wikiversity's learning projects (or simply follow the method for searching for content - often pages titled like resources are in fact more like learning projects). If you can't find anything that will help you, you can set up a page or project that frames the subject of what you want to learn, and invite people to help you or collaborate with you to learn about something that specifically interests you.

Often the best way for new contributors to become involved is to simply introduce themselves on the Colloquium. Let the community know what they're interested in, and ask for advice on how to start.


  • As Wikiversity is a community-based project, often the best way for new contributors to become involved is to simply introduce themselves on the Colloquium (akin to Wikipedia's Village Pump), let the community know what they're interested in, and ask for advice on how to start. --SB_Johnny | talk
  • If the new vision for Wikiversity is generally accepted, newcomers will find a slightly stronger encouragement to identify with (and perhaps combine) various roles - i.e. educator, learner, researcher, maintenance. In earlier Wikipedia days, newcomer activity was naturally more strongly orientated towards productive roles, whereas the typical Wikipedia user is now primarily a consumer. Wikiversity is still in its formative phase, which means that productive roles such as educator, researcher and maintenance receive more emphasis and this is where newcomers would mostly focus their activity. This continuing emphasis on productive roles as in the early days of Wikipedia is one of the things which makes Wikiversity especially attractive for experienced editors from other Wikimedia projects. --McCormack 12:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Anything, as long as it helps you achieve your learning (goals) and if also others can participate in the learning process: even better (so, that comment probably will cause now a lot of heat :-) ) One good thing about Wikiversity from my POV is the freedom it offers in comparison to other Wikimedia projects. So, just be bold ! ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
  • What can you write? It is a bad question. You should ask, "what can I learn?". Wikiversity is not about writing, it is about learning. It means to follow learning subcommunity and follow the guidlines or to creat own project for learning.--Juan 11:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

What are some of the tasks done by administrators (custodians)?[edit]

Administration on Wikiversity is handled quite differently than it is on other projects (for one thing, they're referred to as Custodians, not "admins"). The original cohort were very concerned by the political connotations of Administratorship on other Foundation wikis (especially Wikipedia), so we decided to use a different name, and we also adopted a very different method of allocating the tools by using a "mentorship" strategy. Rather than electing Custodians before they receive the tools, we instead allow established and experienced custodians to mentor new custodians for one month, and then seek community input after that "probationary period" is over. In most cases, this has been quite effective in removing the political elements of it, which is important to us because we want to encourage all trusted users to have the tools available if and when they might need them. As far as the actual tasks go, they're no different from any other wiki. We clean up vandalism, block vandals, delete junk, etc.

Custodians also take part in tasks as applying and creating with others policies such as NPOV in the educational context.


  • Administration on Wikiversity is handled quite differently than it is on other projects (for one thing, they're referred to as Custodians, not "admins"). The original cohort were very concerned by the political connotations of Administratorship on other Foundation wikis (especially Wikipedia), so we decided to use a different name, and we also adopted a very different method of allocating the tools by using a "mentorship" strategy. Rather than electing Custodians before they receive the tools, we instead allow established and experienced custodians to mentor new custodians for one month, and then seek community input after that "probationary period" is over. In most cases, this has been quite effective in removing the political elements of it, which is important to us because we want to encourage all trusted users to have the tools available if and when they might need them. As far as the actual tasks go, they're no different from any other wiki. We clean up vandalism, block vandals, delete junk, etc. --SB_Johnny | talk
  • One of the most challenging tasks which faces Wikiversity maintenance both today and especially in the future is that of applying policies such as NPOV in the educational context. Wikimedia projects, and especially Wikiversity, are progressive, but many will test the limits of what kind of fringe movements (especially in religion and science) are acceptable, and in what quantities they can be accepted as a proportion of the whole project. Education is something of a red flag for fringe movements, so the challenges here for Wikiversity will be particularly great. --McCormack 12:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Of course keep in mind that the development of the policies are undertaken in the same way as they are on all of the foundation's wikis: through community discussion and with the occaisional guidance of the Foundation's board. Traditionally, we've been able to take a discursive approach to people who contribute materials that we find inappropriate, but it's certainly possible that we may some day need to use administrative tools to back this up. The relatively small size of our community has in some ways been a boon to us so far, since we can give direct human attention to new contributors rather than referring to policies; in fact we've just never really developed a comprehensive set of policies. Recently we've begun to grow a bit faster though, so our "oral traditions" (a.k.a. "endless hours of chat on our irc channel) will inevitably need to be codified into policies. We didn't work too hard on them in the beginning because we wanted to more or less let things develop on their own, since it wasn't at all clear then what would work and what wouldn't. As a wiki, it's easy enough to delete things later on if they prove inappropriate: for a good example of this approach, compare {{Welcome and expand}} to templates like the stub and "db" templates on Wikipedia. --SB_Johnny | talk 14:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

What language projects are there in Wikiversity?[edit]

Currently there are six languages available (English, French, German, Greek, Italian and Spanish). Other languages are incubated on beta wikiversity while they build their communities. They are separated after certain criteria which include e.g. having 10 or more active editors.


  • Currently their are six languages fully open for participants. They are English, Spanish, French, German, Italian and Greek. Other language projects are in incubation on Wikiversity Beta, Incubator or Wikibooks. When still many languages are not available.Juan 11:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • New language wikiversities are created when there are 10 or more active editors (languages with less than 10 are incubated on beta wikiversity while they build their communities). Wikiversity as a whole is less than 2 years old, so there simply hasn't been as much time for other-language projects to develop. --SB_Johnny | talk

Original question: How come there're not many languages projects in Wikiversity?[edit]

  • I'd have called it quite a lot, actually ;-) --McCormack 12:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Note: this doesn't make sense any more, as someone changed the question ;-) --McCormack 17:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
      • The original question was loaded; i.e., along the lines of why WV doesn't have many languages. I took the liberty of changing it to a more open question which can be used more longer-term and updated gradually "What language projects are there in Wikiversity?". -- Jtneill - Talk 23:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
  • That depends on the view. I am at the moment in Germany and also active at de.WV - for me all the pages at en.WV are different language :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I noticed some namespaces here that are not available found in Wikipedia. Can you explain when and where they are used?[edit]

Part of that comes from a lot of people having a lot of ideas early in the process. Originally, there was discussion of having a somewhat hierarchical structure of Schools, Departments, and Classes, but the Foundation objected to this structure, and in general we've found ourselves doing quite well without it. The "Topic" namespace was originally somewhat of a replacement for Departments, but has since developed to become more of an organizational tool. The Schools themselves have been largely inactive lately, as community members concentrate more on the main namespace. More info can be found at Wikiversity:Namespaces.


  • Part of that comes from a lot of people having a lot of ideas early in the process. Originally, there was discussion of having a somewhat hierarchical structure of Schools, Departments, and Classes, but the Foundation objected to this structure, and in general we've found ourselves doing quite well without it. The "Topic" namespace was originally somewhat of a replacement for Departments, but has since developed to become more of an organizational tool. The Schools themselves have been largely inactive lately, as community members concentrate more on the main namespace. --SB_Johnny | talk
  • See Wikiversity:Namespaces. -- Jtneill - Talk 13:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Being one of the smaller sister projects, are there plans to encourage more people to register and contribute?[edit]

Outreach has been a focus since the beginning and is now also supported with the Wikiversity:Vision 2009. Contributors are attracted from our sister projects, but also from outside institutions and communities. However, our most successful recruiting has probably been passive: people come across us from one place or another and have an "aha!" experience when they recognize our scope and potential, and when they find the welcoming and supportive community which is the foundation of our efforts.


  • Outreach has been a focus since the beginning. We have tried to attract contributors from our sister projects, but also from outside institutions and communities. However, our most successful recruiting has probably been passive: people come across us from one place or another and have an "aha!" experience when they recognize our scope and potential, and when they find the welcoming and supportive community which is the foundation of our efforts. --SB_Johnny | talk
That makes it very interesting and I want to join. But I'm only expert in environmental issues and sustainability. OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh... see your talk page for an example of how this sort of outreach works :). --SB_Johnny | talk 15:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Well, in this answer I talk about the Czech Wikiversity. One of the main aims of the Czech Wikiversity in this stage of development is to recruit continuously especially profesionalised particepants. Until this time we passed different models of advertising and publish relation of this project. The first phase was the presentation of Wikiversity on Universities and educational institution - these aims failed, because of the incubation phase of the project. Another phase was based advertising within Czech Wikimedia projecs - this way, was partly successful, but most of the Wikimedians said, that they feel at home on the different project. Now we are having a third phase, trying to establish usefull learning methods and units in and attract people with the same area of interest. Whan of the most important course for us right now is about how to "work on Wikipedia". We hope, that after the Czech community will get its domain, we will continue with presentations on conferences, exibitions and educational institutions and this way will be more succesful because of the official status of the project and its availability on the Internet. Juan 11:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Does Wikiversity host original research? How do you manage this research? What are the current research projects?[edit]

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Yes, Wikiversity is a place for developing and hosting research projects. A good example of a current research project is Bloom Clock. Join also the discussion about forming an academic board to oversee and manage research projects - see Wikiversity:Research.


  • Yes, Wikiversity is a place for developing and hosting research projects. A good example of a current research project is Bloom Clock. -- Jtneill - Talk 05:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
  • There is discussion about forming an academic board to oversee and manage research projects. See Wikiversity:Research. -- Jtneill - Talk 05:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, there are some original researchers within appropriate research communities. There is not a special management for them at the moment, unfortunately there is an intention to create a review board(s). Some of the succesfull projects are Bloom Clock and Wikimedian Demographics.Juan 11:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

What is the most pressing problem facing Wikiversity? How can we solve it?[edit]

Adaptation of MediaWiki (technical) and liason with WMF (policy) in order to provide an optimal online environment for wiki-based learning. For example, being able to embed multimedia, show rss feeds, favourite pages, use web2.0 social networking, wysiwig editing, etc. to encourage learner participation, and to help foster learning communities and powerful wikiversity-based learning experiences. One way to progress here is with the Topic:Sandbox Server 0.5.



  • Adaptation of MediaWiki (technical) and liason with WMF (policy) in order to provide an optimal online environment for wiki-based learning. For example, being able to embed multimedia, show rss feeds, favourite pages, use web2.0 social networking, wysiwig editing, etc. to encourage learner participation, and to help foster learning communities and powerful wikiversity-based learning experiences. At this stage, Wikiversity arguably lags in experimental testing, development, and implementation of extensions of its key 'competitor' (cooperator?), WikiEducator. But a more significant issue which looms is that as MW multimedia extensions are tested and developed, is WMF ready policy-wise to let these loose in Wikiversity and quite likely in sister projects? (e.g., are Wikibooks and Wikipedia ready to allow embedding of youtube pages where appropriate?). Are administrators ready to write appropriate policy and ready to manage appropriate usage? Are developers ready to write additional code (bots, etc.) to help administrators and users to create a culture of appropriate usage of such technologies? -- Jtneill - Talk 05:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I would say on English, Spanish, Italian and other Wikiversities, there are no problems, which we can call problems. I would say, all these problems are just tools. Because if you have a problem, you can develop a solution. If you dont have a problem, there is no sollution, which means there is now development.
  • But while talking about the Czech Wikiversity, I should say that the most pressing problem is that has not its own domain and it is not shown via internet. Than the crictical problem is that people who are able to speak in the language, wich is not having any Wikiversity project, cant find their wikiversity community.--Juan 11:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • One problem, which could and should be quickly solved - MediaWiki software does not have a default shortcut for interwiki linking to Wikiversity! -- Jtneill - Talk 11:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • The Wikimedia language is extremely awkward for creating good looking courses. The file structure is useless for large courses with many lessons and parts. For Wikiversity II, both should be completely changed. Robert Elliott 02:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia maintains a set of "Featured Articles". Is there a similar scheme which showcases Wikiveristy's best works?[edit]

Yes, see Wikiversity:Main Page, there is available: Today's + Yesterday's featured project.


  • Today's featured project
  • Yesterday's featured project
  • Yes, there is a special page about this on English Wikiversity, however it is not a current version wich could be showcased. On other existing Wikiversities, I havent found something simillar to so called Featured Content. On the Czech Wikiversity we are not paying attention on this problem currently, because there are other priorities.Juan 11:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Questions with answers (do not include)[edit]

Is there a quality and/or completion rating system for Wikiversity learning resources?[edit]

Wikiversity:Activity bars and Wikiversity:Percent complete both exist, however, neither are particularly in heavy use.


Wikiversity:Activity bars and Wikiversity:Percent complete both exist, however, neither are particularly in heavy use. --Remi 21:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

See also[edit]