User talk:Thekohser

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Talk to me here, peeps. If you ask me a question here, I'll respond here. If I've asked you a question somewhere, you please respond there. Thanks!

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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

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And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage, and see you around Wikiversity! ---- WAS 4.250 17:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome! Thanks for helping. WAS 4.250 17:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] name and role in project

Since you seem unsure about being identified on that page by your name, I have changed it accordingly. Change your name there as you see fit. What do you actually want to do for the project? We have no need for public relations that I know of and even if we do, WikiMedia already has people doing that job. Can you create learning resources that would be useful in the ethical management of Wikipedia? Can you facilitate that? Perhaps you can volunteer as a Wikipedia Review liaison? I'm just thinking aloud here. WR has some good resources poorly organized. Perhaps you could help them get those resources into a shape that is more usable. WAS 4.250 19:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

We have a "Library" subsection under "Learning Resources" on the main page of the project. Perhaps you would like to put together some material that would be appropriate there under the category of examples of successful and unsuccessful management of similar enterprises? WAS 4.250 19:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I was just suggesting that I could communicate the availability of this project to a wider audience, in a way that supports and promotes the intent of the resource. I find it strange and a little hurtful that you would frame that desire as "no need for" it. You seem a bit "WP:BITEy" today, WAS. I'm assuming it's not intentional. I can create learning resources that would be useful in the ethical management of Wikipedia, of course. I'm not sure yet whether I have the time to dedicate to that more taxing role than to simply assist with communications and publicity. Let me think about it. -- Thekohser 19:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I did not mean to bite. I am trying to protect the project from attacks that I knew would come and have started today. Comments made by "human resources" of this project that say things that some can portray as contrary to WikiMedia's Mission and Vision are, shall we say, less than useful. We are using WikiMedia resources and must abide by their priorities and be understandable to them as fitting in with their goals. WAS 4.250 19:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm hopeful that everyone who participates in the Learning Project can carve out a constructive and functional role, and find the most appropriate description of their chosen role. I'm also cool with widening the scope to encompass managerial and media ethics in community organizations in general. The English Wikipedia community is clearly our prime customer, but I would be happy to serve the similar educational needs of Wikinews and other online communities with similar needs. Greg is a good spokesman who maintains a lot of contacts with parties who may be interested in what we are doing here. We need that role, since I'm not very good at it, and WAS doesn't use E-Mail or (as far as I know) post off-Wiki. —Moulton 08:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The spreadsheet as evidence for BLP| problems?

Greg, I'm wondering if it might not be a good idea at this point to provide a link to this project for use here. I believe that it effectively illustrates quite a few BLP problems and why they need to be address seriously. The Fieryangel 21:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather not release here, where few are reading, when the public release will soon be upon us, and it will be broadcast to mainstream media and to the 100 affected persons. I will take this as a prompt to expedite the final clean-up of the spreadsheet. -- Thekohser 00:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Talk:Managing vandalism#Where I got lost

ping, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good example

Thank you for demonstrating your willingness and ability to play well with others. You thereby set a good example for everyone. WAS 4.250 17:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

And thank you, WAS, for illustrating Stage 3 of Kohlberg's Ladder. —Moulton 21:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure about that Moulton. Was this decision based on ethics, or just common courtesy and mutual respect? More generally: are all decisions made in a social context necessarily made in the ethical mode? --SB_Johnny | talk 16:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't have to be a conscious choice. There is no obligation to consciously strive to emulate Thich Nhat Hanh or the Dalai Lama 24/7 (or even worry about where one is operating in the Kohlberg-Gilligan Plane of Urim v'Thummim). —Moulton 19:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you would like to write a learning resource on The Ethics of Claiming Compliments are Ethically Challanged? Or is there simply a misunderstanding here someplace? WAS 4.250 00:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
It's certainly possible for a either a sycophant or a charlatan to manipulate someone via insincere compliments or disingenuous criticisms. There may well be a best practice on giving authentic feedback in an optimal manner. Probably married couples know this all too well. —Moulton 01:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

(<--)Are you suggesting that you have scientifically valid evidence for a theory of mind that puts me in one of those categories? If not, I still fail to understand the ethics behind your insult of me. Unless you were just in a bad mood or some such thing. We are after all, all of us human. WAS 4.250 08:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It just occurred to me that our different valuations of pragmatism may be in play here. Interestingly enough, I do believe that Greg is more pragmatic than I am; while you are less (more, shall we say, principle oriented). Well, I find it interesting, anyway. WAS 4.250 08:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it makes sense and is "scientific" to do what works. I think ethics and principles are useful for when we don't know what will happen so we need safe guesses. Principles/ethics are often contradictory in the sense that we have things like "Look before you leap" and "He who hesitates is lost". There is an ethical principle that can support any action whatsoever. All you have to do is pick and choose your specific ethical principles. pEOPLE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. wHEN YOU ACTUALLY EVALUATE THE PREDICTABLE END RESULTS AND JUDGE ACCORDING TO THAT; WELL, THE ABILITY TO PICK AND CHOOSE IS MORE LIMITED AS NOW YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE PREDICTED END RESULTS OF ONE'S PRINCIPLES RATHER THAN SIMPLY INSIST THAT THE PRINCIPLES ARE CORRECT AND ONESELF IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESULTS. WAS 4.250 08:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I hope it's OK...

Oversight was used on this page, at my request. I had asked that you be consulted first, but that apparently got lost under a pile of paperwork somewhere or another ;-). I meant what I said though: if "they" come here looking to cause you misery, I'll stand by you if you need me. --SB_Johnny | talk 18:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Audio introduction

Please participate at Ethical Management of the English Language Wikipedia/Audio or Ethical Management of the English Language Wikipedia/Audio/Transcripts. --JWSchmidt 04:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Does participation include a bus ticket to Banville? -- Thekohser 11:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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