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Discussion was about a new namespace to do stuff that isn't really determined as to scope. Proposals and such on the matter should go on Wikiversity:Colloquium. Discussion should go there. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Butler model
What prompted you to delete this? The page as it stood after I'd reverted the recent vandalism seems fine. Adambro 15:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- Read the history. The same IP was back and forth using it to vandalise. It was an excuse to make illegitimate actions. The page itself isn't anything worth while and is promotional in origin. It is not notable as a term but if it was it would go there. If someone wants to mention the Butler Model is a larger piece of material on tourism, the page could be brought back, but we were one of the top pages for information on it (even though we had no real information) and having vandalism displayed or being vandalism prone isn't that exciting. Tourism exists for the information to be placed there, and it is not as prominent of a page under a completely non-notable term that would not be limited to thin discussion or vandal prone. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- I think the answer to the vandalism problems would be protection. Whilst there is not a Wikipedia article on this subject, a quick search for books using Google for "Butler model" tourism returns 98 books suggesting this is a recognised subject in tourism and an appropriate learning topic. I'm also not sure what you mean when you say the page was "promotional in origin". I don't think speedy deletion was appropriate here and would ask that you consider restoring it with the option of nominating it for regular deletion. Adambro 15:30, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- Already looked through google books and most of the hits are false hits. Furthermore, there is nothing to suggest that Butler model was being used in anything at all. It was just randomly thrown up and had no material. Now, if you want to be known as an admin who restores inappropriate pages that lack content and would need to be "protected", even though the creator of the content was an IP who would no longer be able to edit it, then fine. But I need only point out this: [1] Only one on that first page deals with tourism. That shows that your eagerness in the matter, combined with your cross wiki history of abuse of ops and the rest, shows that you do not know what you are talking about. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- I did initially just search for "Butler model" myself and noticed many false hits but if you use "Butler model" tourism you'll notice there are as I've said about 100 books that mention this. Adambro 15:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- No, there are dozens of self published works or tourism guides and a few hits, whereas the word "Butler model" is used in medicine, physics, and the rest. As I said before, there is a page on tourism and if the info needed to be kept, it can be moved there. Right now, Wikiversity was one of the top Google hits for the term, which suggests that 1. it does not deserve to be here as we are the originator of the information and 2. that there was no actual information and that it was instead being constantly vandalised. If there was a page like that, it would be at Wikipedia. If they want to use the model as part of a learning project, it would be at Tourism. This is common sense. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- I must admit I hadn't closely studied the nature of the books in that search but the quick search seemed adequate to establish this was a proper tourism subject rather than something someone had just come up with here. I note you've now moved the content to Tourism and I have no problem with that. Adambro 16:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- As I said before, it could be used within the tourism page but we were the number one hit on Google under Butler model, which isn't good. The books that use it use it as a model when applied. The page here was a stub encyclopedic entry and not being applied. It was created by a guy who, at the Tourism page, used that page to advertise a tour to Goa. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- I must admit I hadn't closely studied the nature of the books in that search but the quick search seemed adequate to establish this was a proper tourism subject rather than something someone had just come up with here. I note you've now moved the content to Tourism and I have no problem with that. Adambro 16:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- No, there are dozens of self published works or tourism guides and a few hits, whereas the word "Butler model" is used in medicine, physics, and the rest. As I said before, there is a page on tourism and if the info needed to be kept, it can be moved there. Right now, Wikiversity was one of the top Google hits for the term, which suggests that 1. it does not deserve to be here as we are the originator of the information and 2. that there was no actual information and that it was instead being constantly vandalised. If there was a page like that, it would be at Wikipedia. If they want to use the model as part of a learning project, it would be at Tourism. This is common sense. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- I did initially just search for "Butler model" myself and noticed many false hits but if you use "Butler model" tourism you'll notice there are as I've said about 100 books that mention this. Adambro 15:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- Already looked through google books and most of the hits are false hits. Furthermore, there is nothing to suggest that Butler model was being used in anything at all. It was just randomly thrown up and had no material. Now, if you want to be known as an admin who restores inappropriate pages that lack content and would need to be "protected", even though the creator of the content was an IP who would no longer be able to edit it, then fine. But I need only point out this: [1] Only one on that first page deals with tourism. That shows that your eagerness in the matter, combined with your cross wiki history of abuse of ops and the rest, shows that you do not know what you are talking about. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
- I think the answer to the vandalism problems would be protection. Whilst there is not a Wikipedia article on this subject, a quick search for books using Google for "Butler model" tourism returns 98 books suggesting this is a recognised subject in tourism and an appropriate learning topic. I'm also not sure what you mean when you say the page was "promotional in origin". I don't think speedy deletion was appropriate here and would ask that you consider restoring it with the option of nominating it for regular deletion. Adambro 15:30, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
