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[edit] Project Incubator

Please check Wikiversity:Project_incubator for an update on HHF. I'd really appreciate someone's help over here. I have managed to gather some volunteers from my hostel who'd participate in discussion on the HHF/Highschool Help Forum, but I need the project to be set up well for that. Thanks again! --Dharav talk 12:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


[edit] Dionysios Appreciates The Jade Knight's Helpful Comments

Thank you, Jade Knight for all your good guidance.

This User, still a Neophyte at Wikiversity, never knew for what purpose the "+" button existed. He will henceforth begin to conform to the practice of the real Wikiversity Regulars and have his Text automatically added at the Bottom and Edit his Discussion Page and any other instances which he finds of his deviation from Standard Practice to also conform.

Thank you also for your recognition that there may be some really good ideas among the fevered imaginings of whatever it is that Your Servant thinks he might be doing, with where he wants to go with Wikiversity (Including some perhaps very Creative and Original projects <and stuff>) -- Creative and Original being great for Wikiversity right now.

He does attempt to keep in Mind that no one else knows what's going inside his head; and it has become apparent to him that his Fellow Wikversitans are often confused by the seemingly erratic pattern of his edits; and he is becoming aware that his commentary often does not help.

Even though the "Third person" and "The Passive Voice" are generally not very effective Rhetorical Devices, they are where Your Servant finds himself.

If he comes to find that it is just a bad habit, he will break the habit. If, on the other hand, "Third Person; Passive Voice" turns out to be Who He Is, he would then have to continue in his (unintentionally) irritating way.

Many Wikiversity Regulars do not use Headers in the Middle of Discussions and the appearance of Headers in the Middle of a Discussion Already in Progress could be very Jarring and Disorienting. And, Your Servant has to add: The magical Arrival of a Heading might tend to recast a Discussion in a Direction that has nothing to do with what was Previously Going On in that Discussion. The Remedy there would be to Edit the Headers until We have some Consensus as to About What We Are Talking. But the Use of Headers tends to make Quickly Visible at least an Idea of About What the Conversation Deals.

Your Servant has filled this Response with subheaders; but certainly he Refrains from Going to Work on Your Discussion Page, Editing It with his Subheadering Interpretations. ¿When you request that the Discussion not be Broken with Added Headers, certainly you are not suggesting that Subheaders not be used within a Comment?

Your Servant has the Goal of communicating what it is he is trying to do. To do so "in simple, easy-to-understand terms" is for him Icing on the Cake. First he desires with desire that he should communicate; then, he desires with desire that he should do so with simplicity.

Fuzzy Thinking, Fuzzy Communications. Your Servant does not mean to be Obscure; it just comes naturally. He strives to to do better.

He does what he can to overcome any and all obstacles to effective communication and thanks you for your most helpful assistance in that regard.

It is a Mutual Admiration Society. Your Servant knows from seeing Your Work that you are an most essential part of This Work and is most sincerely appreciative that you should take the time to be of assistance to a Wikiversity Neophyte. Thank you again for all your good guidance.

(s) Dionysios(talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity Institute for Thought, Date: 2007-07-16 (July 16, 2007) Time: 1631 UTC

Strangely, Third Person and Passive Voice are very comfortable for Your Servant. He is aware and reminded of the mild disorientation which can occur and finds First Person and Active Voice equally capable of producing a little disorientation in him.
Thank you for your continued guidance on the matter of Subheaders and for removing the unwanted Subheaders. Your Servant will no longer litter our communications with Subheaders.
Your Servant cares carefully when making Links, using google: and much of the whole family of Wikimedia projects, including m:, foundation:, b:, n:, w:, q:, wikimedia:, and, of course, wikt:.
The primary question, then, with reference to Your Servant's Links is whether they are helpful; and he regrets that you often do not find them so; but, then, often, Your Servant is hoping to do more than provide a definition for a Word.
He Links to your User Page because he knows that someone else may come along and want to go there at the point where he made the Link.
But, again, thank you for all your good guidance. If you will continue to be patient with Your Servant, you may eventually find reason to rejoice over your efforts bearing fruit.
(s) Dionysios(talk), Date: 2007-07-16 (July 16, 2007) Time: 2359 UTC

[edit] spanish course

Hi, im the teacher you answered in discussion. I won't register if i don't see it's worth it, and now I don't see how can i help teaching Spanish, it's just a mess. I suggest to start not by lessons but by topics: shopping, introducing youself, travelling... In each topic you can put the vocabulary, the grammar related, a little text (better with audio recordings) and some exercises. Then, each 4 or five topics, you can put a test or ask for projects. There should be also chat time (the chat channels of wikipedia or similars can be perfect!) You can order a little bit the courses or answer me in [[w:ca:Usuari:Barcelona]. I will keep looking at the project to see if starts to be a real course. Thanks (The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.37.100.111 (talk • contribs) .)

[edit] Could the Proposal to Merge the Advanced General Studies Portal and the School of Advanced General Studies Please be Withdrawn?

Greetings Jade Knight!

The original intention was that the Advanced General Studies portal should eventually become a major portal, directing users to those friendly introductions to learning resources promised on the major portal page as well as providing links to Wikiversity schools and other content development projects in the "Topic:" namespace and that the the school should be a major Wikiversity school.

It is beyond the understanding of Your servant how the proposed collapse of the portal into the school would make anything easier for anyone.

So far, the primary effect of the "decoration" of the pages of the portal and the school with a {{merge|School:Advanced General Studies}} template appears to have been to greatly discourage the the founder of the the portal and the school.

Your servant would be very reluctant to continue with work which might very will be destroyed should the proposed Merger actually take place.

Nobody other than the proposer of the merger and the founder of the the portal and the school has posted comments after an urgent Request for Comments was placed on the the portal and school pages nearly one (1) month ago.

Perhaps it is time to withdraw the proposal and let the the founder of the the portal and the school return to development of these pages.

Could the proposal to merge the the portal and the the school please be withdrawn? It could be renewed without prejudice if you were later to find that good progress toward the Advanced General Studies Portal becoming a major portal is not being made.

Best regards,

(s) Dionysios (talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-08-29 (August 29, 2007) Time: 2156 UTC

[edit] Welcome Back, My Friend and Adversary!

Welcome Back, My Friend and Adversary! Your Servant has missed you while you have been away. -- Dionysios (talk), 2007-09-09 (September 9, 2007) Time: 2057 UTC

[edit] French Mentoring

Hello Jade Knight,

I have just received your message about French Mentoring and would be glad to participate. What kind of information do you need in order for me to become a mentor?

Thanks for your invitation, Xionbox 10:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey Michael,

Thanks for updating me on the new mentor additions. I don't have any specific preferences for a mentor, but I will post a comment on Xionbox's talk page and see if he can help me.

I just started using IRC about a week ago for the first time, and it confuses and annoys me. I lose my chat window when I minimize it, so it is impossible to browse web pages while chatting! I tried to do this and lost the window, had to restart my client and then was connected to the channel under my alias and could not change it nor take back my original ident (which was still displayed as on the channel). I use VisualIRC...perhaps I should try another client.

Anyway, I prefer e-mail or IM to IRC...

Thanks! KirbyPuckettFan 00:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I posted on Xionbox's talk page immediately after I made the post above. He has not contacted me as of today. Strange...perhaps he is busy? KirbyPuckettFan 22:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I would be happy to mentor Soroush, as long as he/she understands English OK. KirbyPuckettFan 00:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, mentoring Soroush didn't work out so well, mainly because we kept missing each other logging on/off the Net and so were never able to pin down a day/time to connect. Perhaps I should get back in touch with him...or has he found a new mentor? On a side note, Xionbox contacted me shortly after I posted the above note of 8 November; we are now good friends who correspond regularly. KirbyPuckettFan 05:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I could take on another student. KirbyPuckettFan 20:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Contacted. KirbyPuckettFan 21:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Malay

Yes i can read it. Here is the article in English:

Abd Aziz bin Harjan is an lectureer on Islam in Universiti Teknologi Mara Perlis(nm). He was on duty(Lt) from the year 1984 at Institut Teknologi MARA(nm) until that ITM was changed to Universiti Teknologi Mara on the year 2000. He has served(Lt) at ITM Dungun Terengganu from year 1984-1989, moved to ITM Shah Alam on the year 1989-1990 and moved to ITM Sabah and served(Lt) there from 1990-1997 and changed to Universiti Teknologi MARA Perlis(nm) on the year 2008 to now that is 2008. He has given teachings(Lt) to students in Islamic Education(Lt), Islamic culture(Lt) and Islamic Law.

I am not sure what it is. Probably a biography.

  • Terms used: nm=name, Lt= Literal translation
  • Note: Sabah, Perlis... are malaysian states.

Princeof500 12:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FRENCH

Princeof500 here. Sorry for replying at my own talk page XD. Anyway, I have had a little bit of exposure to french. Mind, I said a little bit, as in VERY little. I want to learn French so that I can read more French books :). There's this one problem of communication... how do you propose we do that?

Thanks for replying to my email! I have started to learn french by going to BBC-French Steps. Again, how are we to communicate? Princeof500 13:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Not bad at all. But it is only spoken french, not much use when trying to read a book or something.Princeof500 13:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It does?Princeof500 13:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that. Yeah I knew it. But I don't really know formal French(which I am aiming for). You know, this is really awkward, do you have any other form of communication since I and you are free now? Princeof500 13:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I am on the Freenode Java Applet IRC Chat now, you on? Princeof500 13:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Gotta go now. Probably contact you tomorrow. Princeof500 14:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

You free now?Princeof500 14:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{History}} project box and categorisation

Hi JK, thanks for the feedback about adding the history project box template to this course. We can modify what the template does if that would be helpful. I understand you don't want pages in the main category e.g., I removed the categorisation from the {{psychology}} template for that reason. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 09:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I see there's some history to this at Help talk:Resources by type#My dilemma. I have very similar requests/desires for psychology, so I'll think about this some more and play around with {{psychology}} - which looks like it's categorising into Category:Psychology resources which is not ideal, but was done by McCormack to at least get the listings out of the root category and having a subject area category. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 09:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed #History Project Box - is this it? Would it work for the history of Europe page etc.? What do you think? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 07:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
No worries (if you don't like them). Sorry, I just assumed from your user page that you found them useful. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 10:59, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] US Presidents

Just wondering about this... doesn't look like a 'pedia article to me. --SB_Johnny talk 11:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The guy just started it 2 days ago... relax! The line between a wikibook and a wikiversity resource is very fuzzy... wherever people feel more comfortable working is the key IMHO. --SB_Johnny talk 14:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Newcomers? yum!!
Don't worry!
Well, I wouldn't worry about nipping it in the bud... if something eventually looks like a wikibook, it can always be imported later on :-). The important thing is to encourage new contributors by helping them organize their content, and leave concerns about policy and scope out of it until you've seen where they're going. Meeting a new effort with a "challenge" rather than a "how can I help" could easily make someone wonder if it's going to be a bit of a hassle to work here, if you see what I mean. --SB_Johnny talk 10:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hehe :-). Check out commons:Category:Lolcats for more. --SB_Johnny talk 11:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mentoring

No pb, but where I live, Skype doesn't work, so the mentoring would be in a written way. If he is OK with that, let's "talk" :-) Xzapro4 15:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit error ?

Jade, something seems to have gotten messed up with this edit: [1]. I assume that you didn't mean to delete my comments intentionally, but that this is the result of an edit conflict. Crux has now fixed the edits. StuRat 16:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiversity talk:Notices for custodians

Did you notice my reply there? – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 06:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hay is for goats :-)

Hey JK. I think I know what John is concerned about, so I'll add another "rephrase" section in a couple hours or so (assuming you're going to be at the keyboard later). I know he can be inscrutable, but his concerns are genuine and deserve a reply (even if his approach is unnecessarily confrontational). Will post when I'm done in the barn. --SB_Johnny talk 23:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

/me bleats. I'll pop onto IRC shortly if anything's unclear. --SB_Johnny talk 01:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] stubs

I scribbled down a few thoughts: User:SB Johnny/On stubs. What do you think? --SB_Johnny talk 10:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Wikinews DR

I happened to notice your open Dispute Resolution comment on Wikinews, so I replied to you there. Sorry that took so long, it's just that the need for DR rarely comes up on Wikinews, so we tend not to check that page very often:P. Gopher65talk 01:29, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I understand your point of view, and that is something that we are working on. I have a couple points:
1) We can't publish substandard articles due to the fact that we are now listed on Googlenews. If our quality drops below a certain point, we'll get booted off. This means that when an article doesn't meet our pre-set criteria, it will have its publication delayed until it is fixed. Unfortunately the amount of time that it takes to fix an article is sometimes great enough that an article can no longer be published. This is unavoidable. That's just how news is.
2) As I stated before, news is by definition new. It can't be old. Wikinews is in direct competition with major news outlets, so we have to get our news out as quickly as possible. An article might takes months to write on Wikipedia, going through major rewrites and copyediting cycles; all of that needs to be done in HOURS on Wikinews. So, yes, it is a more stressful, less friendly environment to write an article in, but that has nothing to do with the people on Wikinews. That's just the way news is. If you'd ever been in a commercial newsroom you'd understand just how laid back we at Wikinews are;). There is constant pressure to get the story out ASAP. Again, that's just the nature of news; it can't be any different. Gopher65talk 22:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for bugging you, but I just thought of a point of confusion that you might have. There are 2 types of articles on Wikinews: rewritten articles and Original Reporting. Rewritten articles are when you take an existing story that was run by several competing news agencies and rewrite it in your own words. These stories can be no more than 3 days old. However, with Original Reporting there is no time limit. If you go out and do real research for a story, interview, etc, there is no time limit on how long it can be in development. Sometimes such articles spend weeks or months being researched and written. Gopher65talk 14:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that point was mentioned in the last comment by one of the admins who commented on your DR request. He commented that people were rather rude and unhelpful in the Deletion Request. Personally, I suspect that much of that rudeness comes from the fact that most of the core Wikinews community (the kind of people who vote on Deletion Requests) has been around for a while, and they all know all the rules. They mostly deal with each other, and (with occasional exceptions), their rudeness is tongue-in-cheek. They also seem to assume that any new person who writes an article will have read all the help pages, and will know what to do. Clearly this doesn't happen, and they should adapt their actions to suit the situation. Some of us are trying to change this attitude. Time will tell if we'll succeed.
As to your criticism about our policies not existing, I will note that these policies *do* exist in writing, and they lay out EXACTLY what is allowed and what isn't. They are easily accessible from either the sidebar or the welcome message for anyone who wants to read them. Unfortunately most of the people who come to Wikinews come from Wikipedia, and they assume that because they know the rules of Wikipedia, they will be fine on Wikinews. They assume that this means that they don't need to read the help pages, and can just jump right into editing. Wikinews has darned near opposite rules to those on Wikipedia (except for obvious things like vandalism), so following Wikipedia rules on Wikinews is a good way to not get published.
Anyway, while I respect your decision not to edit Wikinews anymore, most of your issues are either being addressed, or never existed in the first place. Gopher65talk 02:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
It is stated in the Content Guide, which is linked to from the Welcome Template, which all new users (should) get on their talk pages. Gopher65talk 15:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

<unindent>I've decided that I'm going to create a "policies in a nutshell" page, which will essentially be a bulleted list of all our critical policies. I'll see if I can get it listed on the left-hand side toolbar, as well as in the welcome template. That should make it easier for new users to find key policies, but it won't help people who choose not to read the policies in the first place.

I'm also going to try and push for a "Welcome-bot" that will automatically post the welcome template on the talk pages of new users in order to ensure that they have easy access to the detailed list of policies, should they desire it. Currently the welcome template gets posted on the pages of users who manually create accounts, and on the pages of people who chose to edit, but it doesn't get placed on the accounts that are auto-created by the Global Accounts system. Gopher65talk 15:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Coming out from under the rock

Thanks for your long ago note -- I've signed up for the mentor program. I've been away from the wikis (for too long). Historybuff 07:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WV:NOT

Hi Jade Knight. I hope I'm understanding you correctly in that your main objection to WV:NOT is the advocacy clause. Would you feel comfortable supporting the policy with that clause removed? See Wikiversity_talk:What_Wikiversity_is_not#Still_no_consensus_due_advocacy_clause for details. --SB_Johnny talk 12:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] God'sGirl94

HEY!!!!!!!!! It's me from WIKIBOOKS!! How are ya? --God'sGirl94 13:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] French Mentoring / Parainage en français

(en) Hello Jade Knight,

I just saw your message inviting me to mentor a French learning student, months after you posted it (and I feel sorry for that). I have to tell you that I might be able to mentor anyone for the moment: because of my studies, I have much work to do, and if I am still on holyday (and contributing to the French mirror) for the week being, I will soon have no more time to spare for any Wiki.

(fr) Bonjour Jade Knight (enfin bonsoir pour moi),

je viens à peine de voir ton message m'invitant à parrainer un étudiant en français, alors que tu l'avais envoyé depuis plusieurs mois (et j'en suis désolée). Je dois t'informer que je ne pourrais sûrement parrainer personne pour l'instant : à cause de mes études, j'ai énormément de travail, et si je suis encore en vacances (ce qui me permet de contribuer sur les serveurs francophones) cette semaine, je n'aurai bientôt plus de temps pour participer à aucune Wiki.

--Klymene 02:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiversity:Mentors

Hi! I saw that you've made some edits to the Wikiversity:Mentors page a while back. I've been working on bringing the Mentorship program up to the next level. I'm hoping to model it, to a certain extent, on the Learning4Content program over at WikiEducator. I would appreciate your feedback. --AFriedman 17:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


[edit] Hi JadeKnight!

Sorry I was out of contact for so long. Just got the computer set up. When are you free again?

Princeof500 07:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not on Wikiversity much either. But i do happen to have an MSN account, it is princetkmk@yahoo.com but I don't really go on that either. 203.219.84.197 04:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] French Mentoring

Salut— As of right now, I could probably comfortably take two more students, three if they're all beginning level. Eleraama 19:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Social Sciences

I think this is your talk page :) I will try to post responses here. Thanks a lot for the help.(The preceding unsigned comment was added by JaylanHaley (talk • contribs) .)

[edit] Universitas

No I am not a Classicist, my background was Physics. However if you start digging deep enough you always will invariably end up at the same place. I quite agree with you, everything today is about money, even science, even the search for truth that inspired those who came before us. But there are some signs that are promising. I for one am quite impressed by the "Free Software Movement" (Eben Moglen for example) As Eben Moglen points out this is not free like in free beer but free as it belongs to the Common ( with capital letter) and from there , it seems to me is but a very small step to the Common Good the principle Socrates for example was searching for. I think this concept Should be expanded into other/ all areas of human activities. Periodically attempts in this direction are made, but they seem to drown and are not heard of again. This however seems to me no excuse not to try. Wikiversity attracted me as a possible platform to start again such a thing -- make knowledge, experiences, and insights etc practical in the spirit of " Search for the Greater Good " otherwise it is just more free beer. For this reason I am in the process of starting the project: " Designing for the Commons" here on wikiversity I am inexperienced in Computer "Things" thats one reason why it might be slow in getting going but again that is no excuse. In order to attract folks the quality has to be high, in other words it has to be valuable, it cannot be " Underwater Basket weaving" -- nobody gives a dam about..-- I worked in fluid dynamics and came up with the process of Dynamic Containment which I plan to use as a start. ( The picture / movie strips are just a start, no explanations yet , but it is coming be patient) The idea is to use technologies like this to develop actual useful applications collaboratively and free, that can stand up in the market place. I am convinced it can be done. I am also convinced if such practical attempts are anchored in what one might refer to as our Common humanistic inheritance it might influence enough folks so this thing we try to do will develop momentum on its own. I have no illusions that this will be easy or might even be successful, but that should not matter. Lewis Mumford expressed this more eloquently than I can Its taken from his book " The Condition of Man": ( These words accompany by a picture " Dawn at Lake George" by Alfred Stieglitz) "......the foreground is dark, and it will become darker before the day breaks. The purging of long accumulated poisons, the healing of ugly wounds, will not be done in a day: all this needs time,patience, resolute effort, and a willingness to forgo selfish local gains for the sake of a larger common good -- the unification of mankind and the replenishment of life. Nothing that is worth doing in our time will be done easily; that is , without a spiritual rebirth. Unless the blind recover their sight and the crippled learn to walk our very knowledge will slay us. No peace without struggle; no security without risk; no wholeness without simplification; no goods without measure; no love without sacrifice; no full life without the willingness to accept and transcend death in the very process of living. Those who have learned this lesson may build the City of Man." Altera vista 09:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mentoring

Hi,

Sorry for the long answer time, I have been very busy lately. I am afraid I won't be able to monitor people this year, because I am working on a double degree, thus I have a lot of work. I think I will unsubscribe as a mentor for this year, but I hope I will have time later for this. Xzapro4 19:49, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

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